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Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 5:38:01 PM   
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Hey,

Your input with other messages has been invaluable and headed off late discovery of things that would have needed changing.

I am plowing through aircraft loss messages in the combat reports and I have found there are message for:

damaged
destroyed
destroyed by flak
destroyed on ground

But there are no messages (specifically) for:

damaged by flak
damaged on ground

I figure those conditions must all be counted in the "damaged" tallies.

Does this agree with your observations?

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 5:54:40 PM   
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Yep, my experience is that only destroyed differentiate by causes, damaged does not.

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 6:05:00 PM   
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Don't forget "crashes on landing" and sometimes followed by "and is written off"
And occasionally you might see "is intercepted while returning to base".
Not part of the "damaged/destroyed" messages exactly but still descriptive of what causes one or the other.

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 6:14:45 PM   
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Search through nearly 17K of individual combat reports - damaged only shows up on your own aircraft - I guess because they come back and the damage is noticed. Agreed in the ops report you get the other styles of detailed reports, but they are in Ops not Combat. - and again are for your own forces.

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 6:32:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Don't forget "crashes on landing" and sometimes followed by "and is written off"
And occasionally you might see "is intercepted while returning to base".
Not part of the "damaged/destroyed" messages exactly but still descriptive of what causes one or the other.

Those are in operations and/or combat events reports, not combat reports. I will get to them...

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 6:34:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3

Search through nearly 17K of individual combat reports - damaged only shows up on your own aircraft - I guess because they come back and the damage is noticed. Agreed in the ops report you get the other styles of detailed reports, but they are in Ops not Combat. - and again are for your own forces.

Roger

I have lots of examples in combat reports of damaged for both sides in combat reports. Agree that the other reports give only your slice, including aircraft which must have been reported damaged in the combat report then are shown as crashing in the ops report.

Adding example from 12/7/41

quote:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 116 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 72
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 126



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 12 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 4 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 8 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
C-33: 2 damaged
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 24 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 10 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 139 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 4 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 14 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 56 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 2 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 6 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 29 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 33 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 4 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 16 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 41 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 10 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 damaged
R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 7 destroyed


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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 11:15:31 PM   
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PO A. Ojibe rams a B24J

I will have to find the exact wording

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 11:28:34 PM   
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Search "plane type" destroyed by CAP

ex: Search B5N2 Kate destroyed by CAP

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 11:32:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

PO A. Ojibe rams a B24J

I will have to find the exact wording

quote:

Banzai! - Hidaka A. in a Ki-44-IIa Tojo rams a B-24D1 Liberator for the Emperor

Not sure about extracting that for the database.

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 11:33:03 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

?

Search "plane type" destroyed by CAP

ex: Search B5N2 Kate destroyed by CAP

I think those are in the operations and/or combat events reports.

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/28/2017 11:40:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

?

Search "plane type" destroyed by CAP

ex: Search B5N2 Kate destroyed by CAP

I think those are in the operations and/or combat events reports.



AHHH Yes

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/29/2017 1:38:42 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

PO A. Ojibe rams a B24J

I will have to find the exact wording

quote:

Banzai! - Hidaka A. in a Ki-44-IIa Tojo rams a B-24D1 Liberator for the Emperor

Not sure about extracting that for the database.


They are the highlight of game.

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RE: Aircraft Loss Messages in Combat Reports - 9/29/2017 4:56:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe


quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

PO A. Ojibe rams a B24J

I will have to find the exact wording

quote:

Banzai! - Hidaka A. in a Ki-44-IIa Tojo rams a B-24D1 Liberator for the Emperor

Not sure about extracting that for the database.


They are the highlight of game.

Well they are right there in the combat report! And the entire combat report is in the database, broken down into the individual battles.

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