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2by3+ - 9/13/2017 3:25:16 AM   
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Well, I was scared the German players would cheat and look into our "NKO Directive" thread. and I cannot send our plan into PM so I will be sending here and hope that the Germans dont cheat...

So I repeat.. GERMAN PLAYERS GO AWAY. Highly confidential plans are being posted here, please dont cheat, it would just suck for everyone.

Do not look at the image posted below and anything else. Thank you.




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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/13/2017 3:31:52 AM   
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STAVKA DEFENSIVE PLAN
Northern Front Defensive plan proposal.

Commander "The Doctorking",
please review your plan, make modification if needed, and send back modification here. They will be reviewed and either accepted or refused.

https://imgur.com/GaJBMJu

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/13/2017 3:34:22 AM   
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STAVKA DEFENSIVE PLAN
Central Front Defensive plan proposal

Commander "Drakken",
please review your plan, make modification if needed, and send back modification here. They will be reviewed and either accepted or refused.

https://imgur.com/vBSnCZB

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/13/2017 3:35:16 AM   
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STAVKA DEFENSIVE PLAN
Southern Front Defensive plan proposal

Commander "Socket",
please review your plan, make modification if needed, and send back modification here. They will be reviewed and either accepted or refused.

https://imgur.com/rzhSqEI

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/13/2017 4:50:46 AM   
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The stupid forum software is not allowing me to quote your post in reply at all now

I concur with your plan. I am going to try to hold Novgorod strongly, maybe not so determined to hold on to Vitebsk. I think of the main line of resistance as the Luga/Lake Ilmen/Pola and that rough terrain down to Vyazma. I'm assuming that the Germans are going to go all-out for Moscow but if they are pushing more strongly against me I'll hold forward of that position at the southern end of my line (around Velikye Luki) and putting my main effort on the Luga. I plan to fortify Novgorod heavily. I could use some admin points to build fortified regions (and equip them with MG-Mortar artillery and sapper battalions) around there. Maybe down the Luga too but I realize that would run quickly into cash. I hope to hold Leningrad.
[edit] what it didn't like was the smileys. Weird...

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/13/2017 1:14:48 PM   
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To STAVKA Chief of Staff Neogodhobo
From: General of the Army Drakken, Central Front


We confirm receipt of the plan for the Central Front, in preparation for a possible invasion of the Motherland by Fascist Germany. After review of the situation, we like to bring the following comments to your attention:

a) The crease just north of the Vitebsk salient weakens our right flank by stretching it longer, thus requiring more units to cover its width and rear area. Furthermore, it creates a wedge inside our line, leaving the north side of Vitebsk exposed to a flanking maneuver by the Fascists. We request straightening this section of the front instead, by occupying the marshy grounds in front of Newel-Gurki line and fortifying there.

b) As described, the Dnepr would be a very strong line, which would make it very unlikely that the Fascists army would confront it head on. However, the landbridge between the Dvina and the Dnepr would be very vulnerable, being covered by a single line of defence. We request shifting the second and third line of defence North of Smolensk, to block the path toward Vyasma.

c) The forward position of the Armies and Corps in the Central Front, so close to the Polish-German border, make them extra susceptible to be surrounded by the Fascist Armies, especially in the Minsk area. We request special allocation of railroad wagons and resources for the evacuation of as many infantry Divisions and Corps through the Prypiat Marshes.

d) If the worst case scenario occurs, we are worried that there will be a shortage of troops to be able to build the second and third line of defense. Reinforcements should be given to the Central Front in priority, to defend the direct road toward Moscow and to build fortified positions.

e) SECRET We have strong reasons to believe that Colonel General Pavlov, Centre Front, will not be up-to-task at all if events unfold. In fact, evidence strongly suggests that his lack of preparation and incompetence might be, in fact, a willful invitation to Fascists to invade the Soviet Union. We request his immediate arrest, with his military file transmitted to NKVD as soon as a suitable replacement is recommended by STAVKA.

Following these proposals, an amended war plan will be presented to STAVKA for presentation.


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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/13/2017 3:14:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

The stupid forum software is not allowing me to quote your post in reply at all now

I concur with your plan. I am going to try to hold Novgorod strongly, maybe not so determined to hold on to Vitebsk. I think of the main line of resistance as the Luga/Lake Ilmen/Pola and that rough terrain down to Vyazma. I'm assuming that the Germans are going to go all-out for Moscow but if they are pushing more strongly against me I'll hold forward of that position at the southern end of my line (around Velikye Luki) and putting my main effort on the Luga. I plan to fortify Novgorod heavily. I could use some admin points to build fortified regions (and equip them with MG-Mortar artillery and sapper battalions) around there. Maybe down the Luga too but I realize that would run quickly into cash. I hope to hold Leningrad.
[edit] what it didn't like was the smileys. Weird...



Commander,

I will allow you some resources to build fortified regions. How many yet, is unknown. How much do you think you will require ? ( 4 admin points per fortified region )

Hold Velikie Luki at all cost as it protects the flank of Commander Drakken's Central front. Vitesk is also very important for the same reason.

Commander, you WILL hold Leningrad at all cost or we will be having your head. ;)

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/13/2017 3:33:25 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Drakken

To STAVKA Chief of Staff Neogodhobo
From: General of the Army Drakken, Central Front


We confirm receipt of the plan for the Central Front, in preparation for a possible invasion of the Motherland by Fascist Germany. After review of the situation, we like to bring the following comments to your attention:

a) The crease just north of the Vitebsk salient weakens our right flank by stretching it longer, thus requiring more units to cover its width and rear area. Furthermore, it creates a wedge inside our line, leaving the north side of Vitebsk exposed to a flanking maneuver by the Fascists. We request straightening this section of the front instead, by occupying the marshy grounds in front of Newel-Gurki line and fortifying there.

b) As described, the Dnepr would be a very strong line, which would make it very unlikely that the Fascists army would confront it head on. However, the landbridge between the Dvina and the Dnepr would be very vulnerable, being covered by a single line of defence. We request shifting the second and third line of defence North of Smolensk, to block the path toward Vyasma.

c) The forward position of the Armies and Corps in the Central Front, so close to the Polish-German border, make them extra susceptible to be surrounded by the Fascist Armies, especially in the Minsk area. We request special allocation of railroad wagons and resources for the evacuation of as many infantry Divisions and Corps through the Prypiat Marshes.

d) If the worst case scenario occurs, we are worried that there will be a shortage of troops to be able to build the second and third line of defense. Reinforcements should be given to the Central Front in priority, to defend the direct road toward Moscow and to build fortified positions.

e) SECRET We have strong reasons to believe that Colonel General Pavlov, Centre Front, will not be up-to-task at all if events unfold. In fact, evidence strongly suggests that his lack of preparation and incompetence might be, in fact, a willful invitation to Fascists to invade the Soviet Union. We request his immediate arrest, with his military file transmitted to NKVD as soon as a suitable replacement is recommended by STAVKA.

Following these proposals, an amended war plan will be presented to STAVKA for presentation.



General of the Army Drakken,

Your points have been taken with great regards. Lets review them one by one.

A) The North side of Vitesk will be defended by the Northern Front, as well as Velikie Luki, your troops there are just to add a little bit of security. I proposed that you leave the plan as is, and simply put regiments instead of division. So that they build up trenches and fortification over time.

Commander, if you feel strongly about what you mention though, you have the go-ahead to go with the modification you made.

B) Agreed with your proposition Commander. You might want to build Fortified Regions along that line as well, but that is up to you. If you want to, tell me how much you would need and I shall see what can be done. One thing Commander... If the enemy cross the Dniepr , you will be in serious trouble. Make sure it doesnt happen, and for the love of Communism, Try to hold onto Mogilev.

C) Accorded Commander ! ( Although I dont know how to do that, you will have to explain this to me ;) )

D) As of now, we will keep reinforcement in the east. It is unlikely the Germans will actually attack on the 22 or 23rd. I know I have many reports saying so but they are not to be trusted. In the unlikely event that the invasion do happen, Reinforcement will be going under your command.

E) Commander, what you are saying against General Pavlov is delusional. Pavlov is a Hero of the Soviet Union from his action in Spain. He his a very competent commander ! You may replace him if you want but I will surely not have him arrested.

That is all Commander, I will be waiting for your modifications on paper.

< Message edited by Neogodhobo -- 9/13/2017 3:35:04 PM >

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/13/2017 11:54:50 PM   
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So just to clarify:

- I need to put up a good fight for Velikiye Luki because it covers the flank of the Central front. OK, I'll do it but I will have to abandon it at some point in order to preserve my strength for the fighting along the Luga. I will try to give you at least a turn's advance warning of when my position there is about to collapse. I will commit an army.

- I would say that holding the Dnepr from Kiev to Smolensk would be a better idea than the Chernigov-Smolensk line laid out in your directive for Central front. The more effort the fascists have to put into crossing the Dnepr the less pressure they will be able to put on me and the southern front in July-August. If we are still holding that line at the beginning of September we will be golden. Again, though, not your main line of resistance.

- In general, I am opposed to no retreat orders. I think that saving our troops is more important than holding territory, as long as we can move the factories to the east.

- Remember that the capitalists will be sending us lots of armament points as long as we hold the connection to Arkhangelsk/Murmansk and through Persia. I intend to put a lot of effort into holding the position at the northern end of Lake Ladoga; my understanding is that if the Finns break through there it cuts our Lend-Lease? I'm going to retreat both armies from the Finnish front to the north, leaving a screen behind the "Finnish no attack" line. The Finns don't have nearly the offensive power that the Germans do, and the terrain up there is difficult.

- I believe that fortified zones in the early game cost 8 AP, so pretty hefty cost. Also, I would spend another four or so on creating support units to go in each one, probably a MG-Mortar Artillery regiment (whatever they're called, the bottom ones on the list, of stuff we have plenty of) and a Sapper Battalion. I'd add an AT gun regiment (the cheap one with the 45L's) if the Germans look likely to attack with tanks. Then add two decent infantry divisions and it's really hard to move.

- To the extent that we are going to have garrisons hold on in surrounded locations, let's make sure to put our long-range bombers on night mission duty so they can do supply missions. Isn't that how it works? I've done this in games against the AI and I've gotten two divisions through to the rainy season cut off in the Carpathians and the Pripyat Marshes.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 12:46:34 AM   
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1) Priority to defend North of Vitesk. Defend Velikie Luki if you have to retreat.

2) Southern Front will have the responsability if defending Kiev. I dont want to stretch too much the Center. Center will defend from Vitesk to Gomel. No ? The Dnepr river will be defended by the Central Front up to Gomel, after this it will be Southern Front to defend it.

3) I am opposed to No retreat too in General, but, at the oubreak of the war, its important to slow down the German as much as we can. And launch plenty of counter strokes just to keep them on their toes. Historically, its what the soviet did, and it worked, so Im gonna go for that for the starting turns. We need to hold as much as possible to slow them.

4) Sounds good for the defense of our Lend Lease. I dont know anything about that so I will go with what you say ;)

5) oh okay, for the Germans its 4 points, damnit.. We start the game with 50 points. How about I split them half and half with North and Center ? Unless Drakken doesnt need Fortified points, then you can get all 50. I dont think the South really needs any on the first turns or so.

6) We need a air force commander. Im not sure if you guys saw my PM concerning this but we need to attribute task. You guy can decide between yourself.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 1:04:29 AM   
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I don't need them right away. We should share at first. I'll start building my main line probably around turn 4 or so.

I think we get 50 a turn, is that right? I'll come back for an extra allocation on turn 4 depending on how things are going.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 3:58:41 AM   
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I dont think its 50 per turn, but I could be mistaking. But okay, then we will most likely give all to Central front, but Psych0 just joined the Southern front so lets see what he has to say about it.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 4:04:57 AM   
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Here is the modified plan that we submit for review to STAVKA for the Central Front.

We hope Comrade Neogodhobo will be indulgent that my talent is for making war on the enemies of the Soviet people, not for drawing on maps.

https://imgur.com/FUFKqXG

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 9:57:08 AM   
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Marshall of the Soviet Union reporting for duty. I gladly accept the honour of the Southern Sector Command.

1. Request permission to retreat out of German striking distance with all available forces
2. Propose to be allocated the majority of T1-2 rail cap to send any excess units to Center/North Sectors for critical defense of Leningrad and Moscow.
3. I can give up all my airforce as well as long as new AF is created in the South after T10
4. Suggest we split start of turn AP equally between Stavka and 3 Sectors (14 + 3 x 12 for T1). Use carefully and any leftovers at end of turn then automatically are divided equally next turn again.
5. Presume Stavka does all industry evac, unit creation and allocation and eventually rail conversion. Airforce by each Sector but allocated by Stavka?
6. Will accept any Sector boundary Stavka deems appropriate
7. Propose humbly that our primary strategic objective for this summer is preserving the Red Army's strength over any other objective (except for the defense of L & M), ie 'scorched earth' and let the Germans fight at the very end of a long supply line. Only stand and fight when and where safe to do so without getting pocketed.
8. Why use forum for confidential comms? Propose direct mailing list. My email is joris.dorsman@gmail.com

Patience and courage my comrades,
Marshall Joris

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 2:28:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Drakken

Here is the modified plan that we submit for review to STAVKA for the Central Front.

We hope Comrade Neogodhobo will be indulgent that my talent is for making war on the enemies of the Soviet people, not for drawing on maps.

https://imgur.com/FUFKqXG



General Drakken....

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT !!

But hum, lets stay professional here. I accept your modifications... ;)

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 2:41:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Psych0

Marshall of the Soviet Union reporting for duty. I gladly accept the honour of the Southern Sector Command.

1. Request permission to retreat out of German striking distance with all available forces
2. Propose to be allocated the majority of T1-2 rail cap to send any excess units to Center/North Sectors for critical defense of Leningrad and Moscow.
3. I can give up all my airforce as well as long as new AF is created in the South after T10
4. Suggest we split start of turn AP equally between Stavka and 3 Sectors (14 + 3 x 12 for T1). Use carefully and any leftovers at end of turn then automatically are divided equally next turn again.
5. Presume Stavka does all industry evac, unit creation and allocation and eventually rail conversion. Airforce by each Sector but allocated by Stavka?
6. Will accept any Sector boundary Stavka deems appropriate
7. Propose humbly that our primary strategic objective for this summer is preserving the Red Army's strength over any other objective (except for the defense of L & M), ie 'scorched earth' and let the Germans fight at the very end of a long supply line. Only stand and fight when and where safe to do so without getting pocketed.
8. Why use forum for confidential comms? Propose direct mailing list. My email is joris.dorsman@gmail.com

Patience and courage my comrades,
Marshall Joris



Marshall of the Soviet Union Psych0.

Welcome aboard, I hope your stay at the Kremlin will be most pleasant.
Lets review your papers here...

1) Accepted
2) I am hesitant because I wanted the Center to evacuate their troops trough rail lines. Assuming, they have time. You can figure it out with Commander Drakken. I leave you two full freedom on rail line. If you cannot come to a conclusion, I shall intervene.
3) Thats marvelous. Southern area Air Force will be put to use in the Moscow area, and thus transferred to Commander Drakken
4) Northern Sector wont need any AP points until turn 4. Do you propose we accumulate the points for each sector ? If not ,I can allow Central and Southern 25 points each for the first week.
5) Industry, Air force and Rail lines will be separated between ground commanders. You guys can talk it over who wants what.
6) Alright, I have made the boundaries already, I shall publish them today.
7) I have a few objective I want people to fight to the death for. Seeing as 2 of my commanders are strongly against that, I shall change all "Fight to the death" sector, into : "Aggressive Defense" sector
8) Yeah I agree actually.

Everyone send me their emails please. Mine is : cstoolong@yahoo.ca

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 2:45:14 PM   
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Passive Defense : Do not attack, only defend
Passive Aggressive defense : Up to you if you want to attack while defending at the same time.
Aggressive Defense : Attack along the lines as much as you can while defending. If possible, advance and take forward position on the defensive line.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 3:58:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo

General Drakken....

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT !!

But hum, lets stay professional here. I accept your modifications... ;)


It is a drawing made in the spirit of the Socialist Realism, which we all know the Vozhd absolutely adores and approves of.

Why, don't you like my drawing?

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 6:14:27 PM   
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haha...well.... Its just that Iv seen your drawing on your AAR and I was jealous, and now you arrive with that...

but ist okay no biggie.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 6:15:18 PM   
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Who is going to be the team Manager ?

quote:

telemescus

Each team must have
-1 Team Manager (who can also have one of the roles above and does not have to be the Supreme Commander): makes sure that the save file is with somebody to take their go, that there is no ambiguity whose go it is, and it is not left idle during their sides turn. When a player cannot take their go and there is no way to swap the sequence round for someone else to take their go, the team manager should arrange for someone to cover that players go for that turn. Their aim is for that team's turn to be finished as quickly as possible. They should also recruit replacments when a vacancy occurs. [My experience of the other team game is this is a substantial side job - even hardcore wargamers have real lives and getting multiple calendars coordinated is not easy. And getting a replacement for a vacancy entails more than posting once in the forums that there is a vacancy. Having someone responsible for this helps!]


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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/14/2017 11:16:56 PM   
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As far as airplanes are concerned, since we don't have an air commander maybe each front commander can control the front aviation armies and the Supremo can control the long-range air units.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/15/2017 1:58:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

As far as airplanes are concerned, since we don't have an air commander maybe each front commander can control the front aviation armies and the Supremo can control the long-range air units.



The Supreme Commander cannot control the air Force as per the rules of the game that we collectively made. If I remember correctly Im not even allowed to move anything on the map but I could be wrong on that one.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/15/2017 2:21:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo


quote:

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

As far as airplanes are concerned, since we don't have an air commander maybe each front commander can control the front aviation armies and the Supremo can control the long-range air units.



The Supreme Commander cannot control the air Force as per the rules of the game that we collectively made. If I remember correctly Im not even allowed to move anything on the map but I could be wrong on that one.

Maybe we can give you two jobs? I think it's reasonable for the Supreme Commander to control troops who are arriving as reinforcements but haven't made it to the lines yet. I'd allow the Supreme Commander to move all units attached to Stavka. Maybe we can go back to the Axis and see if they agree.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/15/2017 2:56:20 PM   
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I am fine with any Corps or Army under STAVKA being moved only with explicit permission of the Supreme Commander, who decides where to plug the holes. If I want an Army under my control, permission is to be asked to STAVKA and the AP will be spent to reassign it to my Front.

As for the Airforce, are you sure about that? I thought Hortlund in the other 4x4 games had full control of the airforce for the Axis as Supreme Commander, but I might be wrong.

Airbases will have to move back again and again and again as the Germans approach. However, I am all for that the Supreme Commander controls air attacks, since airplanes are not restricted by Front when they fly. I wouldn't want to use up all the airforce of the Northern or Southern Fronts to hammer the Germans panzers in my Sector.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/15/2017 5:02:55 PM   
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What we really need is an air force commander. Since we don't have one, I was for leaving control of the air units in the front(s) that we control under the land commanders. It's true that the system allows planes to rebase automatically in order to fly a mission in another sector if called for, but presumably the planes we would have in those front airbases would be relatively short-ranged ones, IL-2's, fighters, SB-2's and the like. They couldn't go far even if they do rebase. At least, in the solo games I've played, when you go to bomb a target you get a few tactical bombers from your own area plus the option to call in the heavies from the long-range (VVS) air bases.

General rules question: what is the actual effective range of those tactical bombers? I see that they have a "radius" of 11 or 15 or whatever, is that the actual range or should they be closer to be effective? I was keeping my airbases 10 hexes behind the front line in my solo game and I noticed that they were rarely participating, so I moved them in to three or four hexes and presto! Except that now they risk being overrun by a quick armor breakthrough.

Maybe we could say you can't use more that 33% of the capability of an air unit that comes from outside your sector without permission?

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/15/2017 8:02:06 PM   
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- 1 Supreme Commander: decides the allocations to each of the other commanders (e.g. units, points, rail cap, manpower, leaders etc.) and their responsibilities (e.g. boundary maps, objectives). This can include protocols on how different players can use the same units during the same turn (e.g. air groups, SUs), strategy many turns ahead etc. The supreme commander could also undertake strategic aspects of warfare (air missions, industry etc.) but should not be another ground commander. Anything relevant to only the responsibilities of one commander should be left to that commander. As well as aiming to win the game, the Supreme commander is also responsible for ensuring all their team players have the substantial game they expect.
- North, Centre/West, South and (optionally) other ground commanders: they cannot also be the Supreme Commander and are responsible for "pushing the units" for all ground forces in contact with the enemy as well as any other roles the team decides
- Others (optionally): if the team agrees and other roles can be found. Suggestions have included air commanders, deputy ground commanders and even ministers of production and propaganda!


Alright so I guess I could fly air mission if I wanted to, but it dont make much sense as I wouldnt be able to know exactly what you guys need.

As supreme commander, I chose that we separate the air force to the 3 front. 25% to the North, 25% to the South, and 50% to the Center. How do you guys feel about that ?
I want to make sure the Center has more aircraft, and if need be he can diverged them to either south or north for emergencies.

Everyone okay with that ? As for the industries, I just dont know how to do it, Iv never done it. Anyone knows about industries that could take the job ?

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/15/2017 8:59:19 PM   
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The industry moving thing goes first in the turn (can go anywhere, but you should know how much rail capacity you will have at the end). You click on the town, then on the name of the town in the upper-right corner while in rail move mode. It will open up a window with how much mobile industrial cap is there with arrows to allow you to move how much of it you want. Whatever you don't move gets torn down (I think) so I generally move everything out of a town that is going to fall soon. If you are out of rail cap, I think the suggestion is to move at least 50% of whatever is there so it will rebuild. The factory is out of production for a certain amount of time (20 turns maybe?) and then starts to come back. I can do it if you want though in other fronts people will have to tell me which towns they are going to lose in the coming turn.

As far as air movement is concerned, there is an air transfer mode that allows you to shift air regiments back and forth from airfield to airfield. I have hardly used it. Instead, I send air regiments that are low on morale/experience/fatigue back to national reserve and then allocate them in future turns to airbases that are low. Plenty of airbases are going to have no planes at all in the early going and it might be worth it just to disband them since building new ones only costs 1 AP. On the other hand, you can only build a certain number of new air bases a turn so maybe save the ones you can.

Another thing you have to do is build new air regiments using the "build new unit" mode, clicking on any random city behind the lines and spending 1 AP (I think) per unit. Again, there is only a certain number you can build a turn. I feel like you should put all but a few hundred of each type of aircraft into regiments as soon as possible but the big limit is the number of AP you have. Then, the new regiments have to spend some time in national reserve training up before they are any use at the front.

And you have to watch your regiments deployed to airbases to see if their morale/training/fatigue levels are getting bad.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/15/2017 10:37:01 PM   
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Moving industry starts on turn 4 (? could be 3) so we'll have time to talk it over.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/15/2017 10:42:38 PM   
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Transferring a corps or army from STAVKA to a front command doesn't cost any AP. Transferring it back can cost 16 or so, I think.

Notice also that a front can only have a certain number of units in it before becoming overloaded. I think that as the Germans advance we will get more fronts converted from regional military commands. I got Leningrad, Bryansk, and Orel, I think that maybe North Caucasus, Trans-Caucasus, Moscow, and Urals (if they get that far) will fill out our list. Plus we get Volkhov Front as a reinforcement. It is a restriction on our effectiveness, though.

Another decision that STAVKA will have to make is assigning leaders, at least at the front level. Our front commanders at the beginning are pretty lame. We have some good leaders but assigning a new front commander can cost a dozen AP. Even at the army level it can cost 8 or so. Depends on the political level of the commander to be replaced. I'm not clear about how important higher-level commanders are; army commanders appear to make the biggest difference and the front (or STAVKA) commander only has influence if the army commander is overwhelmed with too many units.

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RE: 2by3+ SOVIET SIDE ONLY, German dont enter. - 9/16/2017 1:46:25 PM   
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I guess I could take control of Air Forces, but how will I know if you guys want to bomb a certain unit or whatnot ? Seems like a lot of complication for nothing. Wouldnt it be better if everyone has their own dedicated air force units and use them as they please ?

I suggest we dont change too much leaders at the start, since anyway, they will most likely get surrounded and kill. Maybe we should change them once we start to hold good defensive position.

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