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Missile PoH - 4/15/2017 6:17:38 AM   
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I wonder how devs determine guided missile PoH?
For example, latest s-300 AA missiles 48N6-48N6E2 and s-400 40N6 have a PoH equal to 80% in this game. It's a level of 1984 year Patriot MIM-104A missile. While latest PAC-2/3 MIN-104 missiles have 95% PoH. What makes you think s-400 missiles are so much inferior to pac-2 missiles?
In my opinion, it is strange that 2 of 10 s-300/400 missiles will be unable to hit a straight flying non-maneuvering aircraft. Even big passenger airplanes like boeing-737 have a solid 20% chance to evade that missile without even trying to evade .

By the way, there are so many cmano scenarios that include s-400 systems, and still there are no 9M96E small missiles for s-400 in the database. Every big s-400 missile can be replaced with 4 small 9M96E missiles. These small missiles are very handy at destroying guided munitons.
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RE: Missile PoH - 4/15/2017 12:16:29 PM   
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I wonder if the designer's intention was to also take into account weapon system failures such as dud warheads, bad batteries, guidance errors, and user error into the POK. This video shows a great example of what can happen on the very system you reference.

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RE: Missile PoH - 4/15/2017 3:03:35 PM   
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I'll take a look, thanks

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RE: Missile PoH - 4/15/2017 9:55:29 PM   
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On a similar note I could never understand why the ph of tor missile system is 80%% while pantir missile ph is 70%. The pantir system is more modern so I would assume more advanced and have the highe ph.

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RE: Missile PoH - 4/16/2017 12:32:33 AM   
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Even big passenger airplanes like boeing-737 have a solid 20% chance to evade that missile without even trying to evade

Keep in mind an Argentine 707 successfully defended against 2 Sea Darts during the Falklands War. Especially at the edges of the envelope, missile Pk can be somewhat disappointing.

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RE: Missile PoH - 4/16/2017 6:43:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: pgatcomb

I wonder if the designer's intention was to also take into account weapon system failures such as dud warheads, bad batteries, guidance errors, and user error into the POK. This video shows a great example of what can happen on the very system you reference.

Malfunction happens on ANY system. Including pac-2/3. CMANO takes it into account while calculating any munition hits.
By the way, maybe you do not know: s-300/400 missiles have a 10 year guaranteed life time, after that sometimes they are used at firing practice. Most of the "epic fail" videos of those systems on youtube are from such firing practices.

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ORIGINAL: ExNusquam

Keep in mind an Argentine 707 successfully defended against 2 Sea Darts during the Falklands War.

Interesting. I'll read about that incident.

Anyway, I am sure missile PoH doesnt take warhead DP into account: it is harder to miss a target with a 100m blast radius compared to 10m radius.

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RE: Missile PoH - 4/16/2017 11:02:21 AM   
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Sure does make for fun videos though!

http://youtu.be/frOqRHbfX5o

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RE: Missile PoH - 4/16/2017 11:10:44 AM   
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Well if the target was the ground next to the launcher its a direct hit

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RE: Missile PoH - 4/17/2017 12:09:10 PM   
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iQjYEXwlMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT_TnytZo14

At the polygons are shot VERY old missiles. The S-75 realized 80% reliability after 10 years of storage.
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RE: Missile PoH - 4/17/2017 6:03:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ExNusquam

Keep in mind an Argentine 707 successfully defended against 2 Sea Darts during the Falklands War. Especially at the edges of the envelope, missile Pk can be somewhat disappointing.

I have browsed wiki and some military related forums about that incident. And stumbled upon an interesting discussion:

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stilton:
10th Jul 2011, 21:30

Interesting that the RN was able to shoot down a Learjet operating above 50000 feet and out of the envelope for Sea Dart but was not able to hit this 707 despite firing several at it.

Pontius Navigator:
11th Jul 2011, 08:55
stilton, and their-in lies the difference between a MEZ and akill-zone.

To use an old set of data for the SA2. The MEZ was 40 but the kill zone was 27. In order to get a kill at 27 miles the missile had to be launched when the target entered the MEZ at 40.

If the target was non-cooperative, ie it evaded, it would remain clear of the kill zone until the missile ran out of ommph.

In the Learjet case I would opine the Learjet flew in to the kill zone in ignorance whereas the 707 was engaged when it entered the MEZ but then avoided the kill zone when it detected the missile launch.
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Actually I share their opinion on this topic: most likly Boeing 707 has left Sea Dart's kill zone, not even trying to play deadly games with the sam system.

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