Don't get me wrong, I can understand the frustration, it is just a matter of what we have in place are general formulas and this is the same for all units. Essentially the tech level upgrades will either improve your ability to attack or defend against other units relative to their ability to attack or defend. If a unit outclasses another unit based on its tech levels, and this has a noticeable result in combat, then this is all I mean in terms of this is not necessarily being a bad thing and I believe that in most cases we want this to play a significant role in game.
In both the examples above, and looking at the 3rd slot of research upgrades all the Destroyers are either at Level-0 and a few at Level-1. In the first example the Sub is at Level-2 and in the second example it is hard for me to see what level of ASW the attacking Destroyer has but it is also attacking during a storm and as mentioned this will mostly nullify the losses for both sides.
We could look to change the model of ASW to simply represent detection, but then the counter balance would be to maintain the increasing evasion %s for Subs with higher levels of Advanced subs, so in the end this might still result in similar levels of frustration if your Destroyers continue to be outclassed by higher level Subs, i.e. if they are able to continually evade attack or detection.
Currently the ASW and Advanced subs levels effect detection, evasion as well as attacker and defender losses so I don't think we are too far off.
But that being said, one change I will make for the next build based on this feedback is to round up and so in effect if your Destroyer has a chance of at least inflicting 1 strength point of damage versus a Sub running in Silent mode, instead of it then being halved and rounded down to 0, it will be halved and rounded up to 1 so at a miniumum a Sub will then likely take at least 1 strength point loss in similar situations to your first example above. This will provide an improvement for outclassed Destroyers, but on the flipside I think this will be balanced out by the new ability of any subsequently surviving Subs to escape from being fully surrounded so it should work out well.
The plus from the ability of subs to escape from being completely surrounded is that it will still encourage the upgrading of Destroyers to higher levels of ASW so as to be able to fully destroy the sub before it can escape on the following turn.
< Message edited by Hubert Cater -- 4/24/2017 4:38:08 PM >