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WW II North Africa - 4/10/2017 2:54:41 PM   
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Im trying to remember a game I played as far back as the 80's on a PC or apple. It was a really good simulation of North africa - accounted for supply lots of ebb and flow . I think it was on the regiment level - a strategy game.and seeming for that time a good AI. does anyone remember the name - or could you suggest a good Grigsby type war game for North Africa? thanks
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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/10/2017 5:38:43 PM   
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You might be thinking of these:

Vulcan and Desert Rats by CCS. Programmed by R.T. Smith.

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0001357

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0005606


They were at regiment level and did simulate supply. Each unit was rated realistically for numbers of men, guns and AFV's. Also the AI was actually very good. I wish they would be ported onto iPad or Android tablets as they would be great to play again on modern devices.

They were fantastic games. I loved them.


War In The West (Grigsby) has DLC with North African scenarios:

http://www.matrixgames.com/products/product.asp?gid=572


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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/10/2017 8:39:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: XXXCorps

You might be thinking of these:

Vulcan and Desert Rats by CCS. Programmed by R.T. Smith.

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0001357

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekid.cgi?id=0005606


They were at regiment level and did simulate supply. Each unit was rated realistically for numbers of men, guns and AFV's. Also the AI was actually very good. I wish they would be ported onto iPad or Android tablets as they would be great to play again on modern devices.

They were fantastic games. I loved them.

warspite1

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Ah the old Spectrum. Loved Desert Rats so much


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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/10/2017 8:58:07 PM   
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I played Desert Rats for countless days as a teenager... The AI was indeed great, and I even played it "hotseat" with a neighbour, in the weekends...

Arnhem, also by RT Smith, was also a great game.

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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/10/2017 9:17:04 PM   
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I played Desert Rats for countless days as a teenager... The AI was indeed great, and I even played it "hotseat" with a neighbour, in the weekends...

Arnhem, also by RT Smith, was also a great game.

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Yes, Arnhem was great too. The CCS games and the MicroProse games Decision in the Desert and Crusade in Europe were my first wargames. They introduced me to the hobby and got me hooked.

In many ways I'm still looking for a modern game that is as good as Desert Rats and Decision in the Desert. War In The West is my modern replacement for Crusade in Europe and Vulcan but I'm still looking for a modern game that covers the complete war in North Africa.

I hoped there would be WITW DLC that covered Alamein and the battles before but that didn't happen. Hopefully the Decisive Campaigns team might visit the North African theatre in the future.

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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/10/2017 11:16:34 PM   
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HPS has some desert titles like El Alamein, but they seemed to lack that feeling of maneuver.

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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/10/2017 11:35:40 PM   
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Are those games available by using an emulator program?



Do you guys remember the early 90's game of desert warfare, I think by 360 which was totally unplayable? It was modern warfare after the Gulf war

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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/11/2017 1:29:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: oleary111

Im trying to remember a game I played as far back as the 80's on a PC or apple. It was a really good simulation of North africa - accounted for supply lots of ebb and flow . I think it was on the regiment level - a strategy game.and seeming for that time a good AI. does anyone remember the name - or could you suggest a good Grigsby type war game for North Africa? thanks


Unfortunately the only title that comes close to Gary Grigsby’s scale I can think of is War on the Southern Front.

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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/11/2017 3:04:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: demjansk

Are those games available by using an emulator program?



They are available here:

http://www.old-games.com/download/5199/desert-rats

http://www.old-games.com/download/5679/vulcan

http://www.old-games.com/download/5060/arnhem


I have downloaded them from there as I figured I already owned them from decades ago. I've no idea as regards the legality of that website so moderators please feel free to delete these links if you wish.

They actually run very well on modern PCs. Download the Easy Setup and then just unzip and double click a Windows Batch File called "START THE GAME" and the game runs using Dosbox. The colours are a little weird but the game is perfectly playable using the arrow keys.

Manuals and instructions are available on the World of Spectrum site but I will link to them here also:


http://www.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-info/d/DesertRats.pdf

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-info/v/Vulcan.pdf

http://www.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-info/a/Arnhem.txt


You can also play Desert Rats and the other games in your browser here but I couldn't get it to work.

http://www.myabandonware.com/game/desert-rats-the-north-africa-campaign-al





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< Message edited by XXXCorps -- 4/11/2017 5:24:52 AM >


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I saw generals create imaginary "masses of manoeuvre" with a crayon and dispose of enemy concentrations, that were on the ground and on the map, with an eraser. Who was I to criticise them, hero as I was of a hundred "Chinagraph wars" of make-believe?

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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/11/2017 3:53:31 AM   
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Some more screenshots. All of these were taken on my Win 10 laptop. The games also work on Win 7 and 8.1. It's a bloody miracle.












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I saw generals create imaginary "masses of manoeuvre" with a crayon and dispose of enemy concentrations, that were on the ground and on the map, with an eraser. Who was I to criticise them, hero as I was of a hundred "Chinagraph wars" of make-believe?

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RE: WW II North Africa - 4/11/2017 6:48:54 PM   
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The memories...

Returning to the OP question, there is currently a game that covers the whole of the North Africa Campaign (1940-1943), in a monster campaign scenario and in various smaller scenarios. It's a grognard game, and requires some adaptation to a somewhat peculiar interface, but AFAIK there is no other game similar. It's a division and regiment level game (depending on the scenario) and it also includes naval and air units, and of course supply.

You get also dozens of other scenarios covering the whole WW2 in Europe.

I am talking of WWIIE by Schwerpunkt.

The link for their current site: http://schwerpunktgames.com/

Regards

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