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Weird Movement Issue - 3/6/2017 11:33:31 PM   
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I divided an infantry battalion into three subunits. When selected, one unit will plot a single-hex, direct path into the hex at a cost of 4 movement points. When selected, the other two will plot a two-hex, looped path into the hex at a cost of 5 movement points. Why is this the case? Shouldn't they all take the cheapest, most direct path to the destination?




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RE: Weird Movement Issue - 3/6/2017 11:37:17 PM   
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Forgot to ask - how can I work around this and force the units in question to march directly into the hex (at the cost of 4 movement points rather than 5 movement points).

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RE: Weird Movement Issue - 3/7/2017 1:30:32 AM   
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Maybe that is the least 'expensive' route. It's entering the hex via road as opposed to no road. Perhaps the stacking in the hex makes moving in through a road hex side use fewer movement points. I see a battalion sized unit in the hex. What else is in there? What is the hex scale. The time scale? Lots of things go into determining how many movement points will be expended when entering an occupied hex.

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RE: Weird Movement Issue - 3/7/2017 2:11:47 AM   
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8.2.11 Division into Sub-Units (Advanced Rules)
Units may divide and recombine. This is done using the Divide / Recombine button in the Unit Report window (see 16.1), or from the popup menu you get by right clicking on the unit icon in the Map Panel. When you choose to divide a unit, it can be divided into either two or three sub-units at your discretion. In order to recombine into the original unit, all sub-units must be present. If any sub-unit is lost, the unit may not recombine until the sub-unit reappears as a reinforcement.

Sub-units will have only about 80% of the parent unit’s proficiency. If you recombine your units, the newly recombined parent unit will have 125% of the average sub-unit’s proficiency. This means that the act of dividing a unit and recombining it will result in no permanent loss of the unit’s Proficiency.

It could be the reduction in proficiency reduces the movement points available. Or like Lobster suggested, other units in the desired path may increase the movement cost to enter that hex.

War is not always predictable.


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RE: Weird Movement Issue - 3/7/2017 6:44:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lobster

Maybe that is the least 'expensive' route. It's entering the hex via road as opposed to no road. Perhaps the stacking in the hex makes moving in through a road hex side use fewer movement points. I see a battalion sized unit in the hex. What else is in there? What is the hex scale. The time scale? Lots of things go into determining how many movement points will be expended when entering an occupied hex.


The battalion sized unit is the only unit in the hex. The hex scale is 2.5 km and the time scale is 6 hour turns. The scenario is Bulge 44 and it is the opening turn.

I'm puzzled by the fact that one of the three subunits can move directly into the hex for 4 mps. The other two take the roundabout route for 5 mps. The one that moves in directly is the largest of the three subunits (on division, it gets a few more elements than the other two which are identical to each other), so I'm starting to think it has something to do with the size of the units.

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RE: Weird Movement Issue - 3/7/2017 6:49:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HPT KUNZ

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8.2.11 Division into Sub-Units (Advanced Rules)
Units may divide and recombine. This is done using the Divide / Recombine button in the Unit Report window (see 16.1), or from the popup menu you get by right clicking on the unit icon in the Map Panel. When you choose to divide a unit, it can be divided into either two or three sub-units at your discretion. In order to recombine into the original unit, all sub-units must be present. If any sub-unit is lost, the unit may not recombine until the sub-unit reappears as a reinforcement.

Sub-units will have only about 80% of the parent unit’s proficiency. If you recombine your units, the newly recombined parent unit will have 125% of the average sub-unit’s proficiency. This means that the act of dividing a unit and recombining it will result in no permanent loss of the unit’s Proficiency.

It could be the reduction in proficiency reduces the movement points available. Or like Lobster suggested, other units in the desired path may increase the movement cost to enter that hex.

War is not always predictable.



That's good to know about the proficiency cost. I didn't catch that when I read through the manual. I guess I won't be dividing units up as much anymore. Thanks.

All three subunits have the same proficiency (64%) though, so that probably isn't the issue in this case. I guess I'll just chalk it up to the unpredictable nature of war.

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RE: Weird Movement Issue - 3/7/2017 12:08:00 PM   
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Look at the equipment in the sub-units. Could be some got more motorized equipment than others, which might change MPs used.

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RE: Weird Movement Issue - 3/7/2017 9:29:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: General Staff

Look at the equipment in the sub-units. Could be some got more motorized equipment than others, which might change MPs used.


I think that may very well be it. The unit that moves directly into the hex has a truck. The other two do not. Mystery solved. Thanks!

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