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AH-Silver Wings II - 2/26/2017 4:47:50 AM   
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Greetings fellow commanders,

Here is the update for my Mod, Alternate History-Silver Wings II;
Despite I never get any feedback regarding playbility, bugs found or anything IN GAME, I decided to keep working on improvments and hunting for bugs with a very dedicated close friend;

The mod was tunned and we believe the balance is fair enough for both sides;

- New art plane/ships added;
- New Video intro to reflect the mod concept added;
- Revised OOBs;

Any contect of this mod can be used by the community freely;
Players can face the AI but there is no script for it;

Below is the link for the files;
Please back up your original files;

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtWj9SPAvlghhgdCnnqvqv2G9MVj




"After play some awesome mods like R.A and RHS, just to list some, I finally decided to give my first step into modding AE;
The drive behind this work was the wish to provide the community with something that I hope can bring a lot of fun and an entire new felling and flavor to this awesome game;
So what Silver Wings is??
This mod is a complete overhaul regarding OOB and time frame;
It was designed as an alternate history mod that brings AE into the early cold war era in a world where Japan didn't attack PH on dec 7th 1941 but instead remained neutral after face turmoil at the home front with factions struggling pro and against the pact with Germany and Italy;

The mod covers the period from 1949 to 1956 with reworked air, ground and naval forces to reflect the period;
Balance was the main goal but also playability and historical accuracy when possible;
Since this is an alternate history, players from both sides are not tied with the "things that didn’t happen in RL" way of thinking;
This I believe will bring a lot of freedom regarding tactics and strategies at both sides;

As an alternate history mod, Japanese forces are a mix of late WWII projects, late WW2 units and plane/ship types and Japan self-defense force;
Allied forces followed Korea war OOBs with what was in service through the period 1949-1956;

Japan faced a great turmoil during the late 30s with street fighting, assassinations and plots to overthrow the elected cabinet by army officers and the supporters of the pact with Nazi Germany and Italy opposed by the navy and the pacifists;

After his divine majesty finally supports the later, Japan remained neutral during the second European war but kept close ties with Germany, which never gave up to bring japan into the axis side in attempt to open a second front against soviet union and to seduce japan they shared jet technology and allowed Japanese officers to study German operations in the eastern front;

Silver Wings took its basis from RHS Level II regarding economy and its awesome new features and will require this mod installed to be played, It replaces just art and OOBs;
It will also require the Patch 07 - Unofficial Public Beta - 1126b updated and was designed FOR PBEM ONLY!!


Silver Wings brings a lot of new toys, from Sabres to Migs 15, 17 and 19s and the mighty strategic bombers as the Stratojet and B-52A, Soviet Whiskey class subs, Midway Class CVs for the allies and improved versions of the Kayru and the Fugako strategic bomber.

Since I still do not consider it a finished work all ideas, comments, positive or negative feedbacks and any help mainly regarding art or fixes will be very appreciated;

Silver Wings is allocated in scenario 35 and the Soviets are active but by default must be considered not in war against japan;
I am planning another scenario where they can be considered in war but will require a much stronger Japanese asset at Manchuria;
I guess that due the start date on 49 there is no way to make the Russians not active;

The starting positions and forces deployed are around 90% the same as found in RHS level II;

Features:

AH-Silver Wings was designed after studying other great mods mainly RHS and its unique features and some ideas of my own, most of the air art was created by me after the awesome teachings from Reg as how to mod air planes and some humble attempts with ship art also due the teachings and tips from Big B

Features Included:

Totally reworked Japanese and Allied order of battle;
French Indochina command with more air and naval assets;
Lots of new toys - New classes of ships and air-frames for both the allies and the Japanese.
US Strategic Bomber Force under the SAC (Strategic Air Command as a new unit)
Japanese and US air forces are depicted as independent commands;
Japanese Strategic Bombing Command as new unit;


Installation

1) Create a fresh and updated install of War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition in its own folder in your Matrix games folder. I recommend renaming this folder to "Silver Wings”. Note that you must update to the newest version of WitP:AE before installing the mod.
2) Download and install RHS Level II.
3) Download and install Patch 07 - Unofficial Public Beta - 1126b
4) Run the installer. Use "Browse" to change the install folder to your Silver Wing folder.
5) The installer just contains and will overwrite the SCENARIO, ART and SOUND folders;
6) You can copy the new game screens located at the " Allied openload" or "Japanese openload" folders according your preferences into the main ART folder;
7) Start the game ALWAYS by the shortcut created at your desktop after install the beta patch;


Recommended Settings:

You can play it as you like;
I can suggest the following:
Reliable USN Torpedoes: ON or OFF ( Due the time frame all USN torpedoes are the MK14)
No Unit Withdrawals: ON
Player Defined Upgrades: ON
Realistic R&D: OFF (Japan has quite few air frame options due "standardization" and of course no historical planes during the period post ww2)
Advanced Weather - ON
Historical 1st turn - OFF

THIS MOD IS DESIGNED ONLY FOR PBEM*****

House Rules:
I personally don’t play with any house rules since I do not like to reenact the war so the players are free to set any they consider appropriated;
I strongly recommend that the allied player DO NOT make use of the soviets at least till late 1955;


Acknowledgements

Without the efforts of the creators of this awesome game and the contributions of this amazing community with all ideas shared in this forum, bug hunters, beta testers and so on this work would not even exist.

My great many thanks to:

Reg who taught me how to mod air-frames, hope my humble work can make you satisfied at least;
Big B who also taught me the basics of modding ships, I still have a lot to improve in this area!
El Cid,whose awesome RHS scenario served as the base for this mod;
John the 3rd, creator of R.A;
Andrew Brown, creator of the extended map;
Gary Childress, whose amazing ship artwork makes an appearance in the mod;
Tom Label for his amazing art and map icon work;
Rick Olszowy, my best friend and honorable allied opponent in years of PBEM;
Paradigmblue, whose Focus Pacifc mod gave me inspiration to include the frenches in my mod;

My Apologizes for any mistakes regarding the text above since Iam not a native english speaker;


Cheers,

Vipersp





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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 4:50:47 AM   
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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 4:51:42 AM   
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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 4:52:34 AM   
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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 4:53:50 AM   
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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 5:04:41 AM   
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https://onedrive.live.com/embed?cid=2158BEC023F5A3D5&resid=2158BEC023F5A3D5%21210&authkey=APtc6OU9l_qLFwo

Installer Ver 1.0

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 5:12:12 AM   
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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 5:12:57 AM   
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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 6:48:57 AM   
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Damn. I mean...goodness. Go get 'em Sir!

This is a pretty ambitious project. How long have you been working on it?


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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 8:46:23 AM   
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Wow. I can't imagine the time you put into this. Looking forward to checking it out.

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 1:04:08 PM   
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quote:

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Damn. I mean...goodness. Go get 'em Sir!

This is a pretty ambitious project. How long have you been working on it?



Hi John, thanks for the encouragment! I have been working on it for almost 6 months;
It is ready for tests and hope people out there help me with bug fixes and ideas to improve it;
There some new features that frankly speaking I have no idea if will work or not but the first reports from my official Beta tester are very positive

Cheers

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 1:06:52 PM   
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Wow. I can't imagine the time you put into this. Looking forward to checking it out.



Hey paradigmblue, yes six months, the worst was to create the air art from the ground!
Congrats for your great mod too!

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 2:58:02 PM   
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Highly ambitious.

I actually had my own version of this on paper on my hard drive, centering around 1945-1949 plus a generic RED v BLUE scenario from 1959 where RED is Japan and BLUE is a hypothetical power in the Dutch East Indies Chain and I would have based a lot of the 1959 stuff on actual proposals:

Like in 1954, the SCB proposed to modernize the older 35,000 ton battleships (South Dakotas and North Carolinas), making them fast battleships via removing a turret and adding a gas turbine boost plant to get them up to 31 knots.

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - - 2/26/2017 3:47:11 PM   
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Highly ambitious.

I actually had my own version of this on paper on my hard drive, centering around 1945-1949 plus a generic RED v BLUE scenario from 1959 where RED is Japan and BLUE is a hypothetical power in the Dutch East Indies Chain and I would have based a lot of the 1959 stuff on actual proposals:

Like in 1954, the SCB proposed to modernize the older 35,000 ton battleships (South Dakotas and North Carolinas), making them fast battleships via removing a turret and adding a gas turbine boost plant to get them up to 31 knots.


Hi Ryan,

Wow that is great..I was wondering if I was the only crazy guy considering a mod around this time frame;
The major difficulty was in fact how to create a viable and not too fantasy biased Japanese OOB for this period so a lot of brainstorm took place before starting to deal with this;
Ships indeed are the major area for improvment here;
I simply removed all classes there were no longer in service around 1945/46 and replaced by the active ones around 49 for the allies;
Of course for Japan I had to just deal with their starting dates fitting into the new time frame;
Please feel free to use any part of this work into ur mod if you want;
I welcome anyone here that have ideas around this period to use my work as they wish
Just give the credits

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 4:47:51 PM   
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How do you handle NATO? It was an artifact of the European war, and every nation would be obligated to help the US.

How do you handle the MASSIVE US economy coming out of WWII, versus Japan's?

How do you handle the presence of hydrogen bombs in the hands of the US alone?

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 5:25:25 PM   
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If Japan stays neutral, does the USA even enter WW2? If not, there would be no major building programs at all.

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 5:47:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

How do you handle NATO? It was an artifact of the European war, and every nation would be obligated to help the US.

How do you handle the MASSIVE US economy coming out of WWII, versus Japan's?

How do you handle the presence of hydrogen bombs in the hands of the US alone?


Hi Bulwinkle;

BillBrown gave the the right answer already, since in my AH view with Japan remaining neutral, USA never engaged in the war in europe;
The scenario history depicts a quick german victory in the west and a hell of a war of attriction in the east against the soviets and thats why Germany was up to seduce Japan with technology to enable the militarist party to increase the pressure over the emperor and the pacifists to ally themselves with Germany, which in the mod happened in 1947 and placed Japan into the road of war in 1949;
So in such way NATO never existed, the atomic race was delayed till late 55 with both Japan and US/Brits yet researching the A bomb;
This is the history background for this mod;
In game terms I basically shiffted everything from 41-46 into 49-56, of course upgrading land, air and naval forces to their historical TO&E when possible;
I admit I am still a rookie regarding modding AE so I hope more experinced players can contribute with ideas or bug reports in order I can improve this one

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 5:47:52 PM   
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If Japan stays neutral, does the USA even enter WW2? If not, there would be no major building programs at all.


That's the idea!

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 7:23:49 PM   
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If Japan stays neutral, does the USA even enter WW2? If not, there would be no major building programs at all.


I think the US does enter the ETO. But if we didn't, and never fought Japan, most of the naval OOB this mod uses for the 1950s would never have existed. As well, every defense building decision made after the Greek civil war was due to the Cold War. If the USSR is still an ally in this mod due to engine restrictions . . .

I'm not saying this isn't a great effort to stretch the engine and produce a lot of beautiful art and new spec packages. But it's a WWII game. Without the geopolitical realities of the PTO it seems more like a bash-a-thon with new platforms.

Just my opinion.

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 7:29:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Vipersp


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

How do you handle NATO? It was an artifact of the European war, and every nation would be obligated to help the US.

How do you handle the MASSIVE US economy coming out of WWII, versus Japan's?

How do you handle the presence of hydrogen bombs in the hands of the US alone?


Hi Bulwinkle;

BillBrown gave the the right answer already, since in my AH view with Japan remaining neutral, USA never engaged in the war in europe;
The scenario history depicts a quick german victory in the west and a hell of a war of attriction in the east against the soviets and thats why Germany was up to seduce Japan with technology to enable the militarist party to increase the pressure over the emperor and the pacifists to ally themselves with Germany, which in the mod happened in 1947 and placed Japan into the road of war in 1949;
So in such way NATO never existed, the atomic race was delayed till late 55 with both Japan and US/Brits yet researching the A bomb;
This is the history background for this mod;
In game terms I basically shiffted everything from 41-46 into 49-56, of course upgrading land, air and naval forces to their historical TO&E when possible;
I admit I am still a rookie regarding modding AE so I hope more experinced players can contribute with ideas or bug reports in order I can improve this one


If the Nazis had won in the West there is no way the US sits still. If we had, there's no way the USSR survives, and then Hitler doesn't need Japan for anything at all. In fact, he probably acts to eject Japan from Asia and cripples them economically. The Axis was a useful artifice for Hitler, until it wasn't.

My major point though is that without the PTO 1941-45, the USN doesn't have the OOB you want to use in 1949-155. No Fletchers, no Essexes, no Balaos. No B-29s. Etc., etc. And from a standing start the USA could still massively out-produce Japan.

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 8:10:43 PM   
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Finally something new! I'm going to look at it ....

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 8:12:50 PM   
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In ART missing top jap and allies (+ alpha)

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 9:30:16 PM   
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In ART missing top jap and allies (+ alpha)


Hi Dali,

It is not missing, the scenario replaces the tops and alfas with the ones inside the AlliedPlanes and JapanesePlanes folder

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 9:37:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vipersp


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

How do you handle NATO? It was an artifact of the European war, and every nation would be obligated to help the US.

How do you handle the MASSIVE US economy coming out of WWII, versus Japan's?

How do you handle the presence of hydrogen bombs in the hands of the US alone?


Hi Bulwinkle;

BillBrown gave the the right answer already, since in my AH view with Japan remaining neutral, USA never engaged in the war in europe;
The scenario history depicts a quick german victory in the west and a hell of a war of attriction in the east against the soviets and thats why Germany was up to seduce Japan with technology to enable the militarist party to increase the pressure over the emperor and the pacifists to ally themselves with Germany, which in the mod happened in 1947 and placed Japan into the road of war in 1949;
So in such way NATO never existed, the atomic race was delayed till late 55 with both Japan and US/Brits yet researching the A bomb;
This is the history background for this mod;
In game terms I basically shiffted everything from 41-46 into 49-56, of course upgrading land, air and naval forces to their historical TO&E when possible;
I admit I am still a rookie regarding modding AE so I hope more experinced players can contribute with ideas or bug reports in order I can improve this one


If the Nazis had won in the West there is no way the US sits still. If we had, there's no way the USSR survives, and then Hitler doesn't need Japan for anything at all. In fact, he probably acts to eject Japan from Asia and cripples them economically. The Axis was a useful artifice for Hitler, until it wasn't.

My major point though is that without the PTO 1941-45, the USN doesn't have the OOB you want to use in 1949-155. No Fletchers, no Essexes, no Balaos. No B-29s. Etc., etc. And from a standing start the USA could still massively out-produce Japan.


Hi, of course I understand your point of view considering one alternate path to RL IF Japan had not entered the war;
If someone remember a nice movie from 1994, Fatherland, it depicts quite this idea with a german victory in west and in order to finish the soviets the germans try to make peace with USA;
But just cause this alternate path could really had happaned it doesnt mean that my idea could not have happened too..
As regarding the OOBs and the game per si, as I said there was no changes regarding economy considering what RHS have for both sides so I believe the Allies still may overcome the Japaneses;
I could create a "fantasy mod" for sure but my approach is just bring a diffrent way to play the game, perhaps someone more skilled can create something more interesting based in a post ww2 concept where the existent OOB fits better;
Just my 2 cents;

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/26/2017 10:36:36 PM   
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If Japan stays neutral, does the USA even enter WW2? If not, there would be no major building programs at all.


Actually...

1 February 1939: Specification for heavy bomber with 2,000 mile range, 300+ MPH top speed issued. (B-24)

Sep 1, 1939: Germany Invades Poland. War is declared shortly on Germany by UK and France.

2 December 1939: VLR Bomber (B-29) specification work begun.

January 1940: VLR Bomber (B-29) formal requirements issued.

May 10, 1940: Battle of France and the Low Countries begins.

May 16, 1940: FDR calls for Congress to support construction of 50,000 combat aircraft each year by US Factories.

June 14, 1940: German Troops Enter Paris. Third Vinson Act Signed LINK authorizing 79,500 tons of Carriers, 66,500 tons of cruisers, 21,000 tons of submarines, authorizing a naval air strength of 4,500 aircraft.

June 19, 1940: Two Ocean Navy Bill signed. LINK Authorizing 385,000 tons of capital ships, 200,000 tons of carriers, 420,000 tons of cruisers, 250,000 tons of destroyers, and 70,000 tons of submarines. Authorization of a naval air strength of 15,000 aircraft.

September 11, 1941: United States secretly publishes the "Victory Plan". It somehow leaks to the press, leading to internal witchhunts over who leaked it (I've read the documents about "who the hell leaked this" at the National Archives).

Victory Plan Links:
http://alternatewars.com/WW2/VictoryPlan/JointBoard.htm
http://alternatewars.com/WW2/VictoryPlan/Navy_Requirements.htm
http://alternatewars.com/WW2/VictoryPlan/Army_Requirements.htm
http://alternatewars.com/WW2/VictoryPlan/Air_Force_Requirements.htm

The Navy Requirements in the Victory Plan (see above links) called for a fleet by December 31, 1946 of:

32 BB
24 CV
10 CB
26 CA
75 CL
444 DD
258 SS

The big difference is if there's no Pearl Harbor; then everything gets built at a slow, leisurely pace -- I recently ran across in US Navy Bureau of Aeronautics Confidential Correspondence, a paper detailing the original scheduled commission dates for the ESSEX class -- and they're late 1944 and early 1945.

That...got sped up after Pearl Harbor.

As for what could happen in the Original Poster's Scenario:

After a few years of no immediate apparent threats to the US, the USA's paranoia would dial down back a bit, and some of the later ships of the Two Ocean act are cancelled before they're laid down, or some of the older ships get scheduled for retirement -- for example, after BB-66 Kentucky enters service, why keep BB-35 Texas in service, as she's 30 years old and hopelessly obsolete?

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/27/2017 12:05:55 PM   
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If Japan stays neutral, does the USA even enter WW2? If not, there would be no major building programs at all.


Actually...

1 February 1939: Specification for heavy bomber with 2,000 mile range, 300+ MPH top speed issued. (B-24)

Sep 1, 1939: Germany Invades Poland. War is declared shortly on Germany by UK and France.

2 December 1939: VLR Bomber (B-29) specification work begun.

January 1940: VLR Bomber (B-29) formal requirements issued.

May 10, 1940: Battle of France and the Low Countries begins.

May 16, 1940: FDR calls for Congress to support construction of 50,000 combat aircraft each year by US Factories.

June 14, 1940: German Troops Enter Paris. Third Vinson Act Signed LINK authorizing 79,500 tons of Carriers, 66,500 tons of cruisers, 21,000 tons of submarines, authorizing a naval air strength of 4,500 aircraft.

June 19, 1940: Two Ocean Navy Bill signed. LINK Authorizing 385,000 tons of capital ships, 200,000 tons of carriers, 420,000 tons of cruisers, 250,000 tons of destroyers, and 70,000 tons of submarines. Authorization of a naval air strength of 15,000 aircraft.

September 11, 1941: United States secretly publishes the "Victory Plan". It somehow leaks to the press, leading to internal witchhunts over who leaked it (I've read the documents about "who the hell leaked this" at the National Archives).

Victory Plan Links:
http://alternatewars.com/WW2/VictoryPlan/JointBoard.htm
http://alternatewars.com/WW2/VictoryPlan/Navy_Requirements.htm
http://alternatewars.com/WW2/VictoryPlan/Army_Requirements.htm
http://alternatewars.com/WW2/VictoryPlan/Air_Force_Requirements.htm

The Navy Requirements in the Victory Plan (see above links) called for a fleet by December 31, 1946 of:

32 BB
24 CV
10 CB
26 CA
75 CL
444 DD
258 SS

The big difference is if there's no Pearl Harbor; then everything gets built at a slow, leisurely pace -- I recently ran across in US Navy Bureau of Aeronautics Confidential Correspondence, a paper detailing the original scheduled commission dates for the ESSEX class -- and they're late 1944 and early 1945.

That...got sped up after Pearl Harbor.

As for what could happen in the Original Poster's Scenario:

After a few years of no immediate apparent threats to the US, the USA's paranoia would dial down back a bit, and some of the later ships of the Two Ocean act are cancelled before they're laid down, or some of the older ships get scheduled for retirement -- for example, after BB-66 Kentucky enters service, why keep BB-35 Texas in service, as she's 30 years old and hopelessly obsolete?

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/27/2017 4:00:59 PM   
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The Navy Requirements in the Victory Plan (see above links) called for a fleet by December 31, 1946 of:

32 BB
24 CV
10 CB
26 CA
75 CL
444 DD
258 SS

The big difference is if there's no Pearl Harbor; then everything gets built at a slow, leisurely pace -- I recently ran across in US Navy Bureau of Aeronautics Confidential Correspondence, a paper detailing the original scheduled commission dates for the ESSEX class -- and they're late 1944 and early 1945.

That...got sped up after Pearl Harbor.



You can't man this fleet without a permanent draft. Nice dream, but it wasn't ever going to happen in peacetime. Support for the temporary draft was collapsing in 1941.

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/27/2017 10:06:31 PM   
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Re: original construction dates, via the FDR Library:

first two pages of

VESSELS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UNITED STATES NAVY - REPORT OF PROGRESS AS OF JULY 1, 1941

are attached to this post inside a ZIP file so that I can attach more than one page as an attachment.

Basically completion dates are:

BB61 IOWA through BB 64 WISCONSIN: November 1943 to May 1944
BB65 ILLINOIS: 1 November 1945
BB66 KENTUCKY: 1 May 1945
BB67 MONTANA: 1 January 1946
BB68 OHIO: 1 November 1946
BB69 MAINE: 1 November 1945
BB70 NEW HAMPSHIRE: 1 May 1946
BB71 LOUISIANA: MAY 1946

CV9 ESSEX: January 1944
CV11 Intrepid: July 1944
CV17 Bunker Hill: August 1944
CV19 Ticonderoga: 31 December 1945

CB5 PUERTO RICO: 1 SEP 1945
CB6 SAMOA: 1 November 1945

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/28/2017 11:30:04 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RyanCrierie

Re: original construction dates, via the FDR Library:

first two pages of

VESSELS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, UNITED STATES NAVY - REPORT OF PROGRESS AS OF JULY 1, 1941

are attached to this post inside a ZIP file so that I can attach more than one page as an attachment.

Basically completion dates are:

BB61 IOWA through BB 64 WISCONSIN: November 1943 to May 1944
BB65 ILLINOIS: 1 November 1945
BB66 KENTUCKY: 1 May 1945
BB67 MONTANA: 1 January 1946
BB68 OHIO: 1 November 1946
BB69 MAINE: 1 November 1945
BB70 NEW HAMPSHIRE: 1 May 1946
BB71 LOUISIANA: MAY 1946

CV9 ESSEX: January 1944
CV11 Intrepid: July 1944
CV17 Bunker Hill: August 1944
CV19 Ticonderoga: 31 December 1945

CB5 PUERTO RICO: 1 SEP 1945
CB6 SAMOA: 1 November 1945

Very interesting indeed!

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RE: New Mod AH-Silver Wings - 2/28/2017 11:38:06 PM   
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Loaded up your scenario and looking around I notice:

KGW-1 LOON
KAQ-1 LARK
TBM Avengers with BAT ASM, etc.

My SSN571 Nautilus; GUPPIES, etc

I notice CVE(G), with Loon SSMs.

I have quite a bit of original memos on the World War II efforts to make CVEs into JB-2 LOON platforms :D

Here's a tidbit from "MINUTES OF NINTH MEETING of NAVY JET PROPELLED MISSILES BOARD 10 April 1945"

"The thing that controls our total quantity in a CVE is weight and stability, not space. Using the CVE55 class Kaiser ships and using a cargo loading--which BuShips doesn't like--you are allowed 300 tons total weight in hangar and flight deck. In the Bogue or Santee class you can get 750 tons."

I also notice you have the Kai-Agano (C-44) Type B Cruiser that was proposed in

第五次海軍軍備補充計画 (Dai-Go-Ji Kaigun Gunbi Hojū Keikaku) or Fifth Naval Armaments Supplement Program
マル⑤計画 (Maru 5 Keikaku) or Circle Five Program in May 1941.

Have you tested the anti ship missiles or SAMs in game to see if they actually work (somewhat) like intended?




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