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Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/21/2017 1:49:11 AM   
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In the mission "Goodnight Irene," I generated two sea control missions for the two anti-piracy task groups. All helicopters attached to the task force were given that mission. I set both missions with the 1/3 rule. However, when the mission started, all helicopters took off, instead of the single helicopter expected for the 1/3 rule. Later, the helicopters followed the 1/3 rule as designed.

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/21/2017 2:55:16 AM   
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Hi

1/3rd rule doesn't apply to aircraft on different vessels. WAD

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/21/2017 3:42:12 AM   
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Ok, thanks for the answer!

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/21/2017 12:51:03 PM   
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Mike,

I'm a little confused by your answer.

I am currently working on a scenario with a Task Force of ships put together as a group. The TF has a total of 12 ASW helos. I created an ASW Patrol Mission with the 1/3 rule and assigned all 12 helos to it. Only 4 of the helos go active on the patrol at any one time (which is exactly what I wanted).

So 1/3 rule does not work for aircraft on individual vessels, but works for a group of vessels?

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/21/2017 2:53:38 PM   
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No unless it's all the same vessel. Consider each ship like a separate pool.

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/21/2017 7:24:37 PM   
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Sorry Mike, but I got so confused I put together a test scenario (attached).

The test shows a ship group (Group 13), and also 3 individual ships not grouped. Both have 3 identical helos available, and an ASW Mission set to 1/3 Rule.

As you play the save, one helo is launched to each ASW mission. If you force that helo to RTB, another helo is launched in it's place. It looks like everything is following the 1/3 Rule.

If they are considered individual pools, why don't all helos launch to one or both ASW missions?

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/22/2017 1:51:20 AM   
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Ok thanks!

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/22/2017 2:04:36 AM   
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To add to this, I think I saw similar behavior with the sea-control mission after the initial launch of 3 helicopters. If I recall correctly, the helicopters staggered their flights afterwards.

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/22/2017 2:56:46 AM   
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Great than things are working fine. Glad it wasn't a waste of time

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/22/2017 2:06:52 PM   
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I'm confused.

Are alla aircrafts on grouped ships considered to be in one "pool"?
If so, does that mean that there is no difference when creating a mission if selecting aircrafts from a single ship (not group member) or from a group of ships?

If not, then are the behavior described by Kitchens Sink in his message and shown in his attached scenario considered to be a bug?


And what about the original question regarding the initial deploy aircraft for a sea control mission set to use the 1/3 rule?
Since the initial launch does not respect the 1/3 rule, but it seem to confirm to it later on when relaunching aircraft after they have returned to refuel.
It seem that either there is a bug for the initial launch, or for the relaunching of aircraft, depending on how the pooling of aircrafts from groped platforms are supposed to work.
I guess, there could be no bug in case all aircrafts are supposed to be launched initially in Sea Control mission, and the 1/3 rule only apply after the initial launch.


My take on this is that you kind of expect grouped ships to communicate with each other and work together to solve these kind of missions.
A little bit in the same way as they communicate and resolve how to deal with incoming threats.


So in short
1. Grouped ships: One or many pools?
2. Sea control mission with the 1/3 rule set: Bug when initial launching all aircraft, bug later on when confirming to the 1/3 rule or no bug at all?


/H

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/22/2017 3:50:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: I1066

I'm confused.

Are alla aircrafts on grouped ships considered to be in one "pool"?
If so, does that mean that there is no difference when creating a mission if selecting aircrafts from a single ship (not group member) or from a group of ships?

If not, then are the behavior described by Kitchens Sink in his message and shown in his attached scenario considered to be a bug?


And what about the original question regarding the initial deploy aircraft for a sea control mission set to use the 1/3 rule?
Since the initial launch does not respect the 1/3 rule, but it seem to confirm to it later on when relaunching aircraft after they have returned to refuel.
It seem that either there is a bug for the initial launch, or for the relaunching of aircraft, depending on how the pooling of aircrafts from groped platforms are supposed to work.
I guess, there could be no bug in case all aircrafts are supposed to be launched initially in Sea Control mission, and the 1/3 rule only apply after the initial launch.


My take on this is that you kind of expect grouped ships to communicate with each other and work together to solve these kind of missions.
A little bit in the same way as they communicate and resolve how to deal with incoming threats.


So in short
1. Grouped ships: One or many pools?
2. Sea control mission with the 1/3 rule set: Bug when initial launching all aircraft, bug later on when confirming to the 1/3 rule or no bug at all?


/H



Seems like a bunch of loaded questions. Will pick this up after a few drinks.

Thanks!

Mike

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/22/2017 4:42:04 PM   
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Dr. Ransom

I think I see the issue with your sea control patrol after I downloaded it. There are 3 diff aircraft types/loadouts in CTF-150. I think that the 1/3 Rule will launch 1/3 of each type....so 3 of them go off at the start. If you change all of the helos to the same type/loadout in CTF-150, then only 1 will probably launch.

The probable reason they stagger launches after the initial launch is that the 3 helos have different endurance times. They most likely are launching as soon as they are ready again (at diff times), but I did not confirm this. You can check it and see.

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RE: Sea Control Mission Ignores 1/3 Rule On Start - 1/22/2017 5:02:20 PM   
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Dr. Ransom

I think I see the issue with your sea control patrol after I downloaded it. There are 3 diff aircraft types/loadouts in CTF-150. I think that the 1/3 Rule will launch 1/3 of each type....so 3 of them go off at the start. If you change all of the helos to the same type/loadout in CTF-150, then only 1 will probably launch.


If this was it. WAD.


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