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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 10:17:24 AM   
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The Axis forces receive their first real set back as Mussolini loses his East African Empire....




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 10:19:50 AM   
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Two Garrisons arrive in Egypt, freeing up troops to man the fortified zones.

MPP Expenditure

UK - The Royal Navy get the attention - starting with those in Egypt
USA - The USA finalising the upgrade of existing troops and save the rest.
USSR - The USSR income seems to be reasonable at last. AT research is begun.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 10:32:57 AM   
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The only action happens in the North Atlantic where one of the Canadian destroyer flotillas falls upon a Wolf Pack, inflicting 1:2 damage.

The 2nd Submarine Flotilla heads to the Skaggerak once more.

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 10:45:35 AM   
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The Axis appear to have forgotten completely about Greece. I don't intend to remind him and Greek forces stay put.

In the North Atlantic a second Wolf Pack begins attacking convoys further south, and the Allies cannot find them, but the northern pack is found by two flotillas. The 1st (Canadian) is surprised, but the 2nd Escort Flotilla pounces upon the unsuspecting U-Boats and the German unit is all but annihilated.

In the desert Rommel begins his attack, falling upon the 1st Australian Corps, defending El-Alamein, and inflicting enormous casualties. 12th Corps to the south also come under attack but receive only light casualties in their fortified position.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 11:00:03 AM   
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None

MPP Expenditure

UK - Thinking I was buying for the Soviets, the Britsh have just bought 3 Garrisons with the latest upgrades that they don't need. What a ****
USA - Research Advanced Aircraft
USSR - 6 Garrisons.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 11:10:58 AM   
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Having totally mucked up my building program with the Soviets - and spent all my British MPP on stuff I don't want or need, the British have the problem of what to do in North Africa.

11th Army are brought in to replace the Australians that have been taken out of the line, while 4th Corps do the same with 12th Corps. The Royal Artillery bring the Italians investing El-Alamein under heavy fire and then the desert air force are sent into attack the German units to the south. The Germans take some punishment and I am hoping they will be in no mood to counterattack as, of course, neither 11th Army nor 4th Corps are dug-in....




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 11:47:40 AM   
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"We only have to kick down the door, and the whole rotten edifice will come crashing down!".

On the 20th June 1941 Adolf Hitler launches Operation Barbarossa. Uncle Joe Stalin was totally taken aback by the news. Having been certain that his advisers were all wrong, he could not believe that Adolf Hitler had betrayed him. That night he sat down to write up his diary. He wrote most eloquently of the angst and inner turmoil he was feeling that evening...

"Oh ****!"



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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 11:53:34 AM   
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We start the review of the AI turn in the desert however.

The German attack against the El-Alamein line has failed - at least for now. The front line British units soaked up the punishment and, unable to make headway and taking much punishment in the process, the Axis units withdrew from the front line - all except the panzers of the 15th and 21st Panzer Divisions whose lead elements remain engaged with the British units.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 12:14:31 PM   
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Before looking at the Eastern Front in detail, here is a summary of last AI turn's happenings. This is noticeable for the fact that, when compared to my previous game, the Soviet losses on that first turn are much smaller:




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 12:22:39 PM   
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The Northwestern Front has yet to really come into play. The lead elements of 14th Army clashed with 2nd Corps, defending Kaunas, but aside from that, von Leeb's units have yet to show themselves.

For Colonel-General Pavlov's exposed Western Front, its a different story. The defenders of Brest-Litovsk performed wonders in stopping a breakthrough by 8th Army, a breakthrough that would have led to the encirclement of the bulk of the Front's divisions. Equally deserving of mention were the IV Corps, defending Bialystok, that held off determined assaults by VII Corps.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 1:38:37 PM   
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In the South and Southwestern Fronts its a tale of two battles. In the extreme south, the defenders - such as there were any - have been blown aside and the Germans are already over the Dnestr.

Further north the Germans appear to have been trying to encircle Lvov by by-passing the old fortress of Przemysl altogether and heading east for Tarnopol. However, if that was the plan, this has failed, and the Soviets, under Lt-General Kirponos have largely held their ground.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 1:50:32 PM   
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Soviet Union

The Soviets are asked if they want to move their industry to the east, away from the hands of the advancing Germans. Oh... I don't know, that's a tough one..... oh go on then....




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 1:50:55 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 1:51:56 PM   
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Reinforcements


None

MPP Expenditure

UK - The British actually buy what they want this turn . All MPP goes to the army, air force and navy in Egypt.
USA - Research Spying and Intelligence
USSR - They buy a Corps and a Garrison and spend all remaining points on reinforcing and upgrading units in the field.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 2:46:14 PM   
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The eastern front looks a little bit like in my last game (where I played Italy). I don't know what's hidden behind the FOW, but the Germans seem to have not enough units to sustain Barbarossa. Especially tanks seem to be missing. In my game, they actually didn't get very much further in 1941 and the Soviets invaded East Prussia in 1942. I wonder if this might have been somehow connected with what you (too) just experienced in the Balkans, for in my game the Germans also acted suspiciously non-decisively in Yugoslavia and I (as Italy) took until 1942 to pacify Greece (because of terrain and no German help). In my game were some bugs at work, though, like the Africa Korps not arriving and Germany using most of her Panzers to guard partisan positions.

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 3:52:45 PM   
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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 4:03:48 PM   
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The British and Canadian destroyers fail to locate the German Wolf Packs.

The 2nd Submarine Flotilla remains on station in the Skaggerak.

As this must be a bug, I continue to only use the one Indian Corps in Iraq.

In Egypt the British decide to continue the policy of rotating corps to ensure fresh troops remain in the front line.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/25/2016 4:08:52 PM   
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The Soviets take two different approaches around Bialystok and Lvov. In Lvov the more usual approach is taken whereby the units try and escape the pocket that the Germans are seeking to close.

Further north, and remembering how in France I was able to buy time by giving the AI a phantom threat to deal with, the Soviets seek to get behind the Germans and threaten a pocket of their own.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 2:59:58 AM   
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Warspite,

From the image in post 286, you need to hit the axis armor hard with bombers, carrier ground attacks, artillery, antitank, your armor and anything else you can throw at it. Destroy it while it is in reach and has not done of lot of damage to you. Even a few lost points to your units is acceptable to put that unit out of action for a while or completely destroy it. It cost a lot to repair or repurchase.

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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 7:42:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Malor

Warspite,

From the image in post 286, you need to hit the axis armor hard with bombers, carrier ground attacks, artillery, antitank, your armor and anything else you can throw at it. Destroy it while it is in reach and has not done of lot of damage to you. Even a few lost points to your units is acceptable to put that unit out of action for a while or completely destroy it. It cost a lot to repair or repurchase.

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warspite1

Hi Malor. I thought what I would try instead is to allow the Axis to exhaust themselves against my fortifications. Sadly there appears to still be a lot of fight in the Axis! But yes, I hope to hit this and any other unit as soon as the opportunity arrives - without risking getting my self into trouble.


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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 7:50:19 AM   
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We start once again in the desert. The New Zealand Corps, the backbone of which is the elite 2nd New Zealand Division was brought up into El-Alamein and, like the units before it, were subjected to intense attacks - and like the units before, held on despite crippling losses. Once again the artillery provided much needed assistance in unsettling the attackers before they went in. Losses have been incurred by the enemy, who it appears are longer able to recover losses before attacking again. My policy of grinding them down is working I think....




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:04:58 AM   
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To the East Front now - and here is a summary of that turn's losses for the Soviets.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:08:45 AM   
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Once again Colonel-General Kuznetzov's Northwestern Front has remained fairly quiet. 14th Army continues its lone assault against Kaunas, but this has been fairly easily re-buffed.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:11:38 AM   
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I am not sure to what extent Soviet tactics were helpful here. It does appear that the Germans used significant resource to get rid of the units behind their lines - and have not been entirely successful as the 21st Rifle Corps remains an effective fighting force south of Siedlce.

Bialystok still holds, but a large part of Army Group Centre are already beyond the town and the way is open to Minsk and the conquest of Belorussia.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:19:13 AM   
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The Southern and Southwestern Fronts look the most 'scary' at the moment, simply because of how open it all looks. Having only two Engineers, I have allocated them to Leningrad and Moscow. Perhaps I should buy one for this front too. Its good to see the German panzers away from the front line too.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:23:52 AM   
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The US have kindly agreed to take over occupation duties in Iceland to free up some much needed troops.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:24:42 AM   
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Thank-you very much




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:25:47 AM   
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Great value for money, and they have agreed to spread the cost over five easy payments [goodness I sound like some dopey bird on QVC ]




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:28:47 AM   
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This is where the war will be lost - so this is where the cash and supplies need to be going. The answer is a very big YES.




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RE: How the Axis could have won II. Allied AAR - 12/26/2016 8:33:39 AM   
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Reinforcements

United Kingdom

The three garrisons I didn't need and didn't want to buy have turned up.. I place one in each of Plymouth, Newcastle and Edinburgh.

Soviet Union
The Soviets get the garrisons they did want to buy! These are placed in:
- Wilno
- Vinnitsa
- Kerch
- Liepaja
- Baranowicze

MPP Expenditure

UK - All MPP has gone to reinforcing units in Egypt.
USA - Industrial Technology research
USSR - 2 Shock Armies and an Army + reinforcing and upgrading whatever I can.




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