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Teleporting Divisions - 11/13/2016 9:37:27 PM   
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I have played this game for years and years and have never seen this happen before.

*DISCLAIMER* All the marijuana I smoke is legal and for pain purposes.... And if this is something stupid I blame it on the weed....

So, I am playing Mr. Kane in a scenario 2 game with PDU on. It is not a stock scenario and Mr. Kane had it specially altered for the purposes of airplane maintenance.

The 3rd USMC division was moving in normal movement mode through the interior of Australia. The dot hex had turned allied a turn or two ago by automatic flip, there was no combat in the hex nor were there any Japanese units nor has there been any combat in the hex.




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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/13/2016 9:39:25 PM   
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So I was checking AV strength and other items the next turn and I was puzzled. Because the entire 3rd division was now hanging out at Hobart.





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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/13/2016 10:44:39 PM   
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Mr. Kane and I have re-run the turn multiple times and I have even given different movement orders to the 3rd USMC division to move east but even though it would not have even crossed a hex side in one day it magically shows up in Hobart anyway.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/13/2016 11:18:46 PM   
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At best I would like to know what happened here and be able to fix it. At worst I hope someone on the forum is capable of helping me out and moving the 3rd USMC division to the proper place in my save file if that is possible.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 6:45:08 AM   
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I am no expert in this mod stuff, but looking at the Editor I have seen that the "Locations" tab lists all the units that arrive at any given base location and the date of arrival. I would check the DB to see if somehow the 3rd Marine Division was scheduled to arrive at Hobart on that date. Check both the Hobart location entry and the unit entry. (The Division entry is usually a placeholder for the Regiments that merge to create it, so it should not have an "arrival date" nor a location).

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 10:28:34 AM   
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I am no expert in this mod stuff, but looking at the Editor I have seen that the "Locations" tab lists all the units that arrive at any given base location and the date of arrival. I would check the DB to see if somehow the 3rd Marine Division was scheduled to arrive at Hobart on that date. Check both the Hobart location entry and the unit entry. (The Division entry is usually a placeholder for the Regiments that merge to create it, so it should not have an "arrival date" nor a location).



I have never even opened the editor. Can you edit a saved game file? Lets pretend I didnt read the manual ;]

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 10:41:29 AM   
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ok, I found the editor and have looked in the location tab for the unit.

The 3rd USMC division is made up of 3 regiments that all show up at San Diego at different times.






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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 10:44:05 AM   
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Each of the regiments have a start delay and are scheduled to start in San Diego






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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 10:56:05 AM   
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Here is the Hobart location






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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 4:02:17 PM   
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All looks correct in those three screens - the 3rd Marine Div delay of "0" means it has an indefinite creation date - i.e. whenever you bring together the sub units and create it.

And Hobart is not showing the division arriving there so I would conclude that you have a bug that has nothing to do with the guess I made. Sorry, I can't provide any other ideas.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 4:42:19 PM   
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This would have nothing to do with unit arrivals.


This is clearly a bug in the movement - for some reason, instead of shifting to the hex they were moving towards, they teleported to Hobart.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 4:45:55 PM   
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This would have nothing to do with unit arrivals.


This is clearly a bug in the movement - for some reason, instead of shifting to the hex they were moving towards, they teleported to Hobart.


You would think so but here is what we did. Mr. Kane sent the previous turn back to me and I set the 3rd USMC marines to move east. They would have only moved a maximum of 30 inside the hex that next turn so they would not have crossed a hex side. Yet they were still mysteriously transported to Hobart while 2 other divisions and multiple support units arrived where expected.

So I cant see how it would be a movement issue. And we tried 3 different save games so I am thinking it should not be database corruption.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 4:46:53 PM   
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This would have nothing to do with unit arrivals.


This is clearly a bug in the movement - for some reason, instead of shifting to the hex they were moving towards, they teleported to Hobart.

Yeah, but the kicker is that it seemed to happen on a certain date - no matter which direction the unit was marching toward. Some kind of Synch bug issue?

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 4:51:13 PM   
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BTW, we are moving forward with the game because I am not sure if it is even possible to alter a saved game. I am sure it would be difficult at best.

12 day setback for me but Mr. Kane laid off Australia and didnt crush Sydney and Melbourne so it is still much more in my favor.


I will keep copies of the turn prior and post teleport for someone to take a look and shed further light on this.


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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 4:59:02 PM   
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BTW, we are moving forward with the game because I am not sure if it is even possible to alter a saved game. I am sure it would be difficult at best.

12 day setback for me but Mr. Kane laid off Australia and didnt crush Sydney and Melbourne so it is still much more in my favor.


I will keep copies of the turn prior and post teleport for someone to take a look and shed further light on this.


Michael could do it. No idea if he is available to do so.

It does look like a bug to me, so he might want to see a before and after set of save games when he is available.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 5:07:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Wargmr


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

This would have nothing to do with unit arrivals.


This is clearly a bug in the movement - for some reason, instead of shifting to the hex they were moving towards, they teleported to Hobart.


You would think so but here is what we did. Mr. Kane sent the previous turn back to me and I set the 3rd USMC marines to move east. They would have only moved a maximum of 30 inside the hex that next turn so they would not have crossed a hex side. Yet they were still mysteriously transported to Hobart while 2 other divisions and multiple support units arrived where expected.

So I cant see how it would be a movement issue. And we tried 3 different save games so I am thinking it should not be database corruption.


What happens if you repeat this process and don't set any movement? Do they still teleport?

What happens if you don't set their movement for one day, and then do set their movement? Do they still teleport?

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 5:07:31 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

This would have nothing to do with unit arrivals.


This is clearly a bug in the movement - for some reason, instead of shifting to the hex they were moving towards, they teleported to Hobart.

Yeah, but the kicker is that it seemed to happen on a certain date - no matter which direction the unit was marching toward. Some kind of Synch bug issue?


Regardless, unit arrival points should never be impacting the movement of units already on the map.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 5:08:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

BTW, we are moving forward with the game because I am not sure if it is even possible to alter a saved game. I am sure it would be difficult at best.

12 day setback for me but Mr. Kane laid off Australia and didnt crush Sydney and Melbourne so it is still much more in my favor.


I will keep copies of the turn prior and post teleport for someone to take a look and shed further light on this.


Michael could do it. No idea if he is available to do so.

It does look like a bug to me, so he might want to see a before and after set of save games when he is available.


I haven't seen him active here in quite some time...

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 5:30:59 PM   
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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 6:10:37 PM   
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Michael is very busy due to involvement in other projects. He said he would get back to me once he has time to fix things here. I will add this one to the list.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/14/2016 11:59:38 PM   
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Michael is very busy due to involvement in other projects. He said he would get back to me once he has time to fix things here. I will add this one to the list.


We are rapidly moving forward in the game but I have the save files from before and after that turn. Someone can PM me for them when you get a chance. No hurry. I havent seen anything like this happen in my 4 years of game play.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/15/2016 8:13:24 AM   
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Keep the saves. I included the names of the persons finding the bugs in my list. So Michael can contact you if he does need the saves.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/15/2016 1:14:22 PM   
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Keep the saves. I included the names of the persons finding the bugs in my list. So Michael can contact you if he does need the saves.

Cool. Michael also goes through these threads so even if it is much later posting the thread and info here is usually a good source for them.

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/16/2016 4:32:14 AM   
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false alarm

My apologies... I am an idiot. This is what happens when you play in binges with breaks in between. I had planned to have that unit march from Prome to Akyab, but forgot that a few turns ago I had changed my mind and air transported them to Cox's Bazaar because I had excess Transport air squadrons...

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RE: Teleporting Divisions - 11/16/2016 7:04:21 AM   
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false alarm

My apologies... I am an idiot. This is what happens when you play in binges with breaks in between. I had planned to have that unit march from Prome to Akyab, but forgot that a few turns ago I had changed my mind and air transported them to Cox's Bazaar because I had excess Transport air squadrons...

That is a Major Brain Fart! I recognize it because I have so many of them!




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