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Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/12/2016 1:20:31 AM   
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I am a bit confused with Ship withdrawls again. I had 3 KV's that were to withdraw from The Pacific Coast RCN that were in Victoria. They were at a National base but I couldn't withdraw them. The rules say they must be at a National Port or be off map. Is Victoria not a National home base also what is NEI and PI? is say neither these as well.
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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/12/2016 1:32:08 AM   
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Vancouver is for RCAF. I have used San Francisco for them as well. The Dutch use Columbo, or any off map bases etc....GP

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/12/2016 1:35:14 AM   
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Are they disbanded?

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/12/2016 3:22:16 AM   
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It should be doable at a number of West Coast Ports. The latest patch expanded the number of WC port allowable. Not just San Francisco anymore.

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/12/2016 3:42:18 AM   
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quote:

what is NEI and PI?




Netherlands East Indies and Philippine Islands.

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/12/2016 7:03:28 AM   
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I am a bit confused with Ship withdrawls again. I had 3 KV's that were to withdraw from The Pacific Coast RCN that were in Victoria. They were at a National base but I couldn't withdraw them. The rules say they must be at a National Port or be off map. Is Victoria not a National home base also what is NEI and PI? is say neither these as well.


After a search these are the rules that I can find. I've used nearly all of them except for off map even in a TF. (Didn't know you could do this). Nationality doesn't matter.

Restrictions on the location, withdrawal must be from either a
Level 9 port
The national home ports of Canada, USA, New Zealand, Austrlia and India
Level 7 or higher port on the Canadian or American West Coast
Level 7 or higher port East of and including Ceylon
Level 7 or higher port in South-East Australia + Perth
Level 7 or higher port in New Zealand
Any location off-map (even in TF out of port)
If on-map, then the enemy may not have air superiority

For these reason PH cannot be used to withdraw ships.

< Message edited by Chris H -- 11/12/2016 7:05:57 AM >

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/12/2016 7:05:06 AM   
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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/12/2016 2:33:07 PM   
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Thanks Guys,

I sent a Few KV's down to SanFranciso and were able to withdraw them there. I sent another to Vancouver and it was able to be withdrawn there too.

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 2:18:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H

Nationality doesn't matter

2) The national home ports of Canada, USA, New Zealand, Austria and India



While this is a oft repeated question I thought it worthy to ask.

No one has ever defined "National Home Ports (these) in so far as I have read the manual and searched sticky's/ threads.

I would be interested in if someone could point out the relative specific page in manual etc.

My experience so far is:

Canada = Vancouver (possibly Eastern Canada although I have never used that port)

USA =

Eastern USA, San Diego, Los Angelas, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland... Panama Canal off map.

...although perhaps the last is only due to the size of port I built up i.e. the other variables???

Perhaps its only Eastern USA and San Franciso ?

New Zealand = Auckland

Australia = Sydney

India = Columbo, Bombay, and Karachi....Captown, Aden, Mombassa off map.

...although again perhaps the last is only due to the other variables.

Perhaps its only Columbo and Karachi ?




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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 2:56:58 PM   
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It's not in the manual. It's been discussed in threads by people who know.

EC is off-map. That makes its withdrawal mechanism explicit. SF is the national port. But most of the other WC ports that matter are or can be Level 9. That makes their withdrawal mechanisms explicit.

Vancouver, as you discovered.

NZ ditto.

Oz ditto.

India, from memory, is Karachi. The others in that region are explicit if you look in the patch notes at the revised withdrawal rules.



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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 3:30:46 PM   
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One of the tip-offs is the presence of the "National HQ" at game start. For USA this is "West Coast Command" IIRC.

Ceylon should be considered a separate country from India, but I cannot confirm that offhand. How do you display the country codes? - Anyone?

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 4:25:16 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

One of the tip-offs is the presence of the "National HQ" at game start. For USA this is "West Coast Command" IIRC.

Ceylon should be considered a separate country from India, but I cannot confirm that offhand. How do you display the country codes? - Anyone?


WC Command can move though. The national home port never does.

There was a conflict as I recall between Karachi and Ceylon in the development. In WITP the national home port was Karachi and you can still see artifacts of that where the "Return to" button for some ships defaults to Karachi, same as USN ships try to get back to PH. I believe it's been said that late in development the port was changed to Colombo, and the auto-convoy source base for the west was as well, but that it didn't get changed in every corner of the UI and manual. Note this is memory from 2009 threads.


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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 4:29:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

One of the tip-offs is the presence of the "National HQ" at game start. For USA this is "West Coast Command" IIRC.

Ceylon should be considered a separate country from India, but I cannot confirm that offhand. How do you display the country codes? - Anyone?


WC Command can move though. The national home port never does.

There was a conflict as I recall between Karachi and Ceylon in the development. In WITP the national home port was Karachi and you can still see artifacts of that where the "Return to" button for some ships defaults to Karachi, same as USN ships try to get back to PH. I believe it's been said that late in development the port was changed to Colombo, and the auto-convoy source base for the west was as well, but that it didn't get changed in every corner of the UI and manual. Note this is memory from 2009 threads.



Yes, that is why I said "at start", but I should have made it explicit that the location does not change with the HQ move, so thanks for pointing that out.


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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 4:38:40 PM   
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Yes, that is why I said "at start", but I should have made it explicit that the location does not change with the HQ move, so thanks for pointing that out.



Cool. I should say too I don't know if national home ports are defined in pwhex or in the EXE.

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 11:10:48 PM   
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How do you display the country codes?


Press '4'.

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 11:42:38 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

How do you display the country codes?


Press '4'.

Thanks. I checked and India has code 42 while Ceylon has code 45. That ought to qualify it as a separate country.

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/14/2016 11:54:58 PM   
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This national base list came from michaelm in this thread http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3976041&mpage=1&key=national�

FYI, here are the current national bases {primary, alternate}:
{ BASE_TOKYO, BASE_OSAKA }, // Japanese Army
{ BASE_TOKYO, BASE_OSAKA }, // Japanese Navy
{ BASE_SAN_FRANCISCO, BASE_EASTERN_USA }, // US Navy
{ BASE_SAN_FRANCISCO, BASE_EASTERN_USA }, // US Army
{ BASE_SAN_FRANCISCO, BASE_EASTERN_USA }, // US Marines
{ BASE_SYDNEY, BASE_MELBOURNE }, // Australia
{ BASE_AUCKLAND, BASE_CHRISTCHURCH }, // New Zealand
{ BASE_ADEN, BASE_UNITED_KINGDOM }, // British
{ BASE_UNITED_KINGDOM, 0 }, // French
{ BASE_TJILITJAP, BASE_SOERABAYA }, // Dutch
{ BASE_CHUNGKING, BASE_CHENGTU }, // Chinese
{ BASE_KUYSYSHEVKA, BASE_SOVIET_UNION },// Soviet
{ BASE_KARACHI, BASE_ADEN }, // Indian
{ BASE_MOMBASA, BASE_CAPETOWN }, // Commonwealth
{ BASE_MANILA, BASE_CAGAYAN }, // Philippines
{ BASE_SINING, 0 }, // Communist China
{ BASE_VANCOUVER, BASE_CANADA }, // Canada


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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/15/2016 11:19:01 AM   
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That's pretty definitive.

Seems it's in the EXE too.

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RE: Another Question on Ship withdrawls - 11/19/2016 11:57:57 AM   
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Thanks guys,

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