From: Fife Scotland
ORIGINAL: Bill Runacre
Battleships are built to withstand heavy punishment from other Battleships, so you tell me how the game can possibly come up with odds off 3.3 when up against Cruisers or destroyers?
All things being equal, such results would indeed be very odd, but there could be circumstances such as if the Battleship is at low Supply, Strength, Morale or Readiness.
Also bearing in mind the effect of naval upgrades. Alone upgrades wouldn't account for such a result, though it also depends on the type of Cruiser as this game has Battle, Heavy and Light Cruisers, with the former being closer to Battleships in their attack and defence values.
Hi Bill, if you get the chance please watch this video AAR 30 mins into the video of naval battleship v battleship combat.
An upgraded AI British battleship level 10, attacks an Italian battleship at strength 9, and the Italian Battleship takes 6 strength points of damage,while the British attacking battleship takes 3 strength damage in return. This is followed by another battleship v battleship combat,where the Italian strength 9 suffers 7 points off damage,and the attacking British battleship takes 5 damage in return.If this was a heavyweight boxing match the fight would be stopped in the first round.Its my opinion that the game gives way to much value,to what the morale and readiness in naval battle plays a part.In battleship v battleship contest,the main things that count are the hitting power of the big guns, and the ships armour thickness protection. That said, I can only assume that the naval AI is stupid for attacking in the first place,because it cost itself,its own 2 battleships,as the player took out his revenge,by the way the player saved his 2 severely damaged battleships,returning them to port.So the score this turn was player 1 stupid AI nil.
PS: As a side note,maybe these world war 2 battleships,have been secretly armed with Nuclear shells,because the game damages ships more than the Bikini Atoll Nuclear test did.
The explosion took place at the Bikini Atoll lagoon, situated in the Marshall Islands in the Pacific Ocean.
Test Able was to be the first of a series of 67 tests in the atoll and the second U.S. nuclear test of over a thousand to follow.
The explosion of the fission bomb, largely identical to the weapon used in the attack on Nagasaki on 9 August 1945, occurred 158 metres above sea level and had a yield of 23kilotons.
The main aim was to test the effects of nuclear weapons on ships.
To that end, a fleet of 78 vessels, many of which had been captured during World War II, was anchored in the lagoon.
The blast sunk only five of them, leaving another 14 seriously damaged.
I would like to point out that warships,especially large warships,are tougher to damage that the game at the present time would have you believe. The below list of decommissioned warships,survived 2 Nuclear bomb test,I will also like to highlight the fact,that no low morale,or battle readiness,or low supply played any part in these derelict ship test. So please stop using these gamey terms,as an excuse for ships not being able to take damage,manned or unmanned it makes know difference,they are just big lumps of steel when all things are considered.
USS Saratoga (CV-32) Lexington-class aircraft carrier — She survived the Test Able blast, an air burst on 1 July 1946 at Bikini Atoll, with only minor damage, but was damaged beyond repair by the Test Baker blast on 25 July 1946, an underwater atom bomb blast which was detonated under LSM-60 500 metres (500 yards) from the carrier. Salvage efforts were prevented by radioactivity, and seven-and-one-half hours after the blast, with her funnel collapsed across her deck, Saratoga slipped, stern first, beneath the surface of Bikini Lagoon.
USS Independence (CVL-22) light aircraft carrier — Assigned as a target vessel for the Bikini atomic bomb tests, she was placed within one-half-mile of ground zero for the 1 July 1946 explosion. The veteran ship did not sink, however (though her funnels and island were crumpled by the blast), and after taking part in another explosion 25 July 1946 was taken to Kwajalein Atoll and decommissioned 28 August 1946. The highly radioactive hulk was later taken to Pearl Harbor and San Francisco for further tests and was finally scuttled off the coast of San Francisco, California, on 29 January 1951. Controversy has subsequently arisen about the sinking of the Independence, as it is claimed she was loaded with barrels of radioactive waste at the time of her sinking, and that the waste has subsequently contaminated the wildlife refuge and commercial fisheries associated with the Farallon Islands.
USS Arkansas (BB-33) Wyoming-class dreadnought battleship — On 1 July 1946, the Arkansas was exposed to an air burst in the Test Able atomic test, but survived with extensive shock damage to her upperworks, while her hull and armored turrets were little damaged.
HIJMS Nagato Japanese battleship — In the atom bomb airburst Test Able on 1 July 1946 she was 1,640 yards from ground zero and was not severely damaged. In Test Baker, an underwater atom bomb explosion on 25 July 1946 she was severely damaged, eventually capsised and sank five days later.
USS Nevada (BB-36) Nevada-class battleship — Designated aim point for Test Able air-dropped atomic bomb, she was painted an "ugly" reddish-orange to help the bombardier's aim. However, even with the high visibility color scheme, the bomb fell about 1,600 metres (1,700 yd) off-target, exploding above the light carrier Independence instead. Nevada also survived Test Baker, but she was damaged and extremely radioactive. Nevada was then towed to Kwajalein Atoll by USS Preserver (ARS-8), decommissioned on 29 August 1946, and then towed to Pearl Harbor. After she was thoroughly examined at Pearl Harbor, her final sortie came on 31 July 1948 when Iowa and two other vessels used Nevada as a gunnery target for practice. The three ships did not sink Nevada, so she was given a coup de grace with an aerial torpedo hit amidships.
USS New York (BB-34) New York-class battleship — Surviving the Test Able surface blast on 1 July 1946 and the underwater Test Baker explosion on 25 July 1946, she was taken into Kwajalein Atoll and decommissioned there on 29 August 1946. Later towed to Pearl Harbor, she was studied during the next two years, and on 8 July 1948 was towed out to sea some 40 mi (35 nmi; 64 km) and there sunk after an 8-hour pounding by ships and planes carrying out full-scale battle maneuvers with new weapons.
USS Pennsylvania (BB-38) super-dreadnought battleship — After surviving the Operation Crossroads atomic bomb test at Bikini Atoll, she was then towed to Kwajalein Atoll where she decommissioned on 29 August 1946. She remained in Kwajalein Lagoon for radiological and structural studies until 10 February 1948, when she was sunk stern first off Kwajalein Atoll.
IJN Sakawa Agano class light cruiser — The detonation of the Test Able atom bomb at Bikini Atoll occurred 450 metres (490 yards) above and slightly to starboard of IJN Sakawa's stern. The blast caused IJN Sakawa to burn fiercely for twenty-four hours before she eventually sank. The second atom bomb, Test Baker, was an underwater shot about 150 metres (500 feet) away from the sunken Sakawa.
Prinz Eugen Admiral Hipper-class heavy cruiser — The ship survived two atomic bomb blasts at Bikini Atoll, Test Able, on 1 July 1946, and Test Baker on 25 July 1946. Prinz Eugen was thoroughly contaminated with radioactive fallout, but suffered no structural damage from the explosions. The irradiated ship was towed to the Kwajalein Atoll in the central Pacific, where a small leak went unrepaired. By late December 1946, the ship was in very bad condition. On 21 December 1946, the ship began to list severely. A salvage team could not be brought to Kwajalein Atoll in time, so the US Navy attempted to beach the ship to prevent her from sinking, but on 22 December 1946, Prinz Eugen capsised and sank. Her main battery gun turrets fell out of their barbettes when the ship rolled over. The ship's stern, including her propeller assemblies, remain visible above the surface of the water.
USS Pensacola (CA-24) Pensacola-class heavy cruiser — She survived the atom bomb tests of 1 July and 25 July 1946. On 24 August 1946, she was taken in tow for Kwajalein Atoll where she decommissioned on 26 August. Her hulk was turned over to the custody of Joint Task Force One for radiological and structural studies. On completion of these studies, her hulk was sunk on 10 November 1948 off the Washington coast in 1,400 fathoms.
USS Salt Lake City (CA-25) Pensacola-class heavy cruiser — Surviving two atomic bomb blasts at Bikini Atoll, she was decommissioned on 29 August 1946 and laid up to await ultimate disposal. She was sunk by torpedoes as a target hull on 25 May 1948, 130 mi (110 nmi; 210 km) off San Diego southern California in 2,000 fathoms.
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