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Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 2:21:37 AM   
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Yes, I am blunt, but this price range scares away customers. I am well aware of the matrix pricing policy - bought a few games from them.

But $80 is very hard to justify.

I think that xtrg exposed this game to a few people, a clear majority of whom would never play whole campaign (I would, but then again I am crazy) but would love to derp around Midway or Port Moresby. But not for eighty, no way.

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 3:07:26 AM   
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Timotheus, You are right. $80 is a lot. My opinion, it should be $99. The enjoyment this game has provided me, the good people who help improve this game, the depth, maybe $99 is to little. The 80 I spent for AE is the best 80 bucks I have spent....GP

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 3:21:32 AM   
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These types of posts always make me think of someone walking into a Lamborghini dealer and telling him that his vehicle is only worth $20,000

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 4:45:52 AM   
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Well TBH the program is worth the price. I have never played a game (board or computer) that can match this and that's with ~50 years of game playing. If you're still not convinced wait a couple of months and Matrix will have its Christmas sale. This game has been on there before. Maybe it'll be there this year too.

P.S. This is also the best supported game at its age as well. It came out 2009 and still gets 'unofficial' updates by one of the programmers, not to mention it has an extremely active and helpful forum. Find another game this old that can boast such.

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 5:59:39 AM   
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Timotheus, I would say that the in-game databases are alone worth $80.

WITP:AE biggest drawback is the lack of a demo version. I took a plunge and bought the game when I saw combat reports from naval engagements - the amount of detail for me back then was insane and still is.


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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 12:12:26 PM   
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In my current PBEM as Japan I've played over 1200 turns.. Each turn was around 25 minuts of fun on average (some ofcourse took me a few hours, but 25 minuts on average is not to far of)..

That is roughly 500 hours that I played in just my current Japan PBEM...

in just my current Japan PBEM...
- I've seen 30.000 aircraft go down in flames, in the drink or shot up on the ground
- 2500 ships have sunk
- I've arranged for dozens of surface engagements, a couple of carrier battles, 100s of sub engagements
- I've conquered China
- The allies roughly lost 175000 squads...
- And yes, I actually do have a life

If this would have been my only game it would have cost me 16 cents per hour played....

The truth is, it is not my first game... I've been playing since 2009 so the real cost per hour is something like 1 cent..

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 12:29:00 PM   
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Well, while I agree the price is high in comparison to other titles, the game is very unique and at the end of the day 80$ isn't that much money when comparing to other entertainment possibilities and per hour value is much better. Also when one can't spare 80$ for this game, he probably has more important problems.
The game isn't for everyone though and if one doesn't have inclination to be control/micromanagement freak, he probably shouldn't buy it.

Imho Matrix should significantly lower the price of 1st WitP as a kind of low risk introduction title, so one can get a taste at low price and move to AE when addiction is acquired.

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 12:46:05 PM   
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In my current PBEM as Japan I've played over 1200 turns.. Each turn was around 25 minuts of fun on average (some ofcourse took me a few hours, but 25 minuts on average is not to far of)..

I find it hard on my end to committ to a grand campaign even against the AI since I think I may be overmanaginig things. Do you have a checklist of what you do in the usual regular turns (that don't have something spectacular happening that need some hours of work)?

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 12:46:19 PM   
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With all the above-mentioned in mind, isn't there usually a nice sale around Christmas?

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 1:33:01 PM   
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With all the above-mentioned in mind, isn't there usually a nice sale around Christmas?


Yeah, I think it was 30% off or something pretty recently.

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 2:01:32 PM   
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In my current PBEM as Japan I've played over 1200 turns.. Each turn was around 25 minuts of fun on average (some ofcourse took me a few hours, but 25 minuts on average is not to far of)..

I find it hard on my end to committ to a grand campaign even against the AI since I think I may be overmanaginig things. Do you have a checklist of what you do in the usual regular turns (that don't have something spectacular happening that need some hours of work)?


No checklist. I go in armed with the knowledge I'll make mistakes and accept the fact that I'll be somewhat ineffecient in some areas (for example, I could have had 900 trained pilots instead of 750....).. Every 20 turns or so (depending on my schedule) I do a major review of damaged ships I forgot about, training squadrons that need attention etc... Works ok for me.

Do note that I only got this comfortable with the game after around a 1000 turns..

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 5:26:23 PM   
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Got to say if I had known a decade earlier, the total pleasure and time spent playing this game I would have easily coughed up a grand. I am not kidding either. Lets face it, You could pay a grand for a high price hooker and be looking for something else to do in 30 minutes....

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 5:27:16 PM   
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Sorry double post. Might as well play with some of the emoticons..


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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 5:27:30 PM   
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Got to say. If I had known a decade earlier, the total pleasure and time spent playing this game I would have easily coughed up a grand. I am not kidding either. Lets face it. You could pay a grand for a high price hooker and be looking for something else to do in 30 minutes....


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Would they be from . . . Chile was it?

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 5:29:48 PM   
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Got to say. If I had known a decade earlier, the total pleasure and time spent playing this game I would have easily coughed up a grand. I am not kidding either. Lets face it. You could pay a grand for a high price hooker and be looking for something else to do in 30 minutes....


Braggart!

Would they be from . . . Chile was it?


I know, a lot of you would have topped out at 20 minutes but I did not want to hurt any feelings...

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 5:33:52 PM   
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I've never had a grand to spare. Money is tight, at least for this backroads Georgia boy. Heck, I'm driving a 1999 F-150 pickup truck, and have been for 17 years, and I didn't even bother making repairs after it took some hits in an F-3 tornado in 2013. I'm not complaining, but I do want to make it clear that my budget is pretty tight.

So I'm glad AE isn't a thousand dollars, or I'd be priced out of the market. But it would be worth it if I had the cash. I'm just glad I picked it up in 2009 for $80 (or whatever the price was). Since then I've played thousands of hours - and that doesn't count the hour-multiplier that comes from all the thinking and daydreaming about the game. I bet that is a 3:1 multiplier.

All of us who love AE know that it costs lest than pennies an hour to play it. Since I made that purchase in '09, I've only bought one other game (TOAW). I just don't have time or inclination for anything except AE. So, if I'm buying games for an $80 expense every five or ten years, and if I play that game endlessly and think about it even more, the economics come out pretty good.

Kind of like buying a new F-150 in 1999 and then not having to replace it for 17 years. That's pretty darned good value.

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 5:40:32 PM   
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Got to say. If I had known a decade earlier, the total pleasure and time spent playing this game I would have easily coughed up a grand. I am not kidding either. Lets face it. You could pay a grand for a high price hooker and be looking for something else to do in 30 minutes....


Braggart!

Would they be from . . . Chile was it?


I know, a lot of you would have topped out at 20 minutes but I did not want to hurt any feelings...


Got an extra zero there . . .

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 5:41:56 PM   
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So I'm glad AE isn't a thousand dollars, or I'd be priced out of the market.


I had to get divorced to buy WITP . . .

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 6:34:01 PM   
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Kind of like buying a new F-150 in 1999 and then not having to replace it for 17 years. That's pretty darned good value.



1.6 gallons for 10 miles? You would have been bankrupt had you driven it in Europe.... You probably pay for a gallon what we pay for a liter...


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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 6:46:52 PM   
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No, it's more like 15 to 17 miles per gallon. So 1.6 gallons might yield 25 to 30 miles. It has 255,000 miles on it. My stepbrother drove a pickup for 500k+. But I think that was a Toyota. I kept waiting for him to steer it into a ship. AE runs in my blood.

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 6:54:37 PM   
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Why don't you try begging...oh, wait...

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 6:59:30 PM   
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Got to say. If I had known a decade earlier, the total pleasure and time spent playing this game I would have easily coughed up a grand. I am not kidding either. Lets face it. You could pay a grand for a high price hooker and be looking for something else to do in 30 minutes....


Braggart!

Would they be from . . . Chile was it?


I know, a lot of you would have topped out at 20 minutes but I did not want to hurt any feelings...


Aye, depends on the old ticker....GP

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 7:03:29 PM   
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Got to say if I had known a decade earlier, the total pleasure and time spent playing this game I would have easily coughed up a grand. I am not kidding either. Lets face it, You could pay a grand for a high price hooker and be looking for something else to do in 30 minutes....


Chasing people of your lawn?


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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 7:03:43 PM   
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For any of you who are relatively new to the AE forum (say, less than three years), Ross (crsutton) once unleashed a famous thread comment about Chilean prostitutes.

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 7:21:15 PM   
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My memory of that thread is somewhat hazy. Was her character, uhm, fleshed out?

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 7:23:59 PM   
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It's funny, but I don't recall the exact form and substance of Ross's comment. The way I remember it was that he was interjecting an innocent comment into a conversation, but that the mention of an experience of some kind with a Chilean prostitute was like tossing gasoline onto a grill at an outdoor barbecue. Suddenly the conversation erupted into hilarity.

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 7:28:04 PM   
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Timotheus, so you made the thread but did not reply any further when so many gave their opinions.
But there are every 2 weeks or so people who say this on here and always they get the same answers it seems...

I agree the price may be to high for newcomers, so better watch gameplay videos and read AARs before making the decission (or Matrix decides to downprice it a bit)...or find someone who can leand you the game to try it out. I guess there is a kind of a demo tho, the one for Unc. Valor (I believe)...it should give you a feel (even if AE is much more complex, but system is still the same)


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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 11:05:45 PM   
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Let me be clear here. I would have paid a grand for the game and then bought one for Dan too had I know we were going to get the poormouth. I figure his AARs were worth the cost of a thousand dollar game over the years. I would not however spring for a hooker for him. That SOB is just going to have to pony up and pay for something....

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/3/2016 11:07:20 PM   
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Oh yeah, I just sent in my renewal check for Georgia Backroads. He can go get himself a sandwich and piece of pecan pie on that. Showed him the love....

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RE: Watching XTRG - any chance for a sale? - 9/4/2016 2:03:17 AM   
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Ross's Birkenstock's are worth more than my pickup truck.

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