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Game recommendation? - 5/18/2016 5:21:53 PM   
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Hi everyone,

I'm pretty new to Matrix and Slitherine games. I was wondering if those here who know their collection well could recommend one to me?

Here are some basic principles I like to see in games:

1. Randomization. I don't really like to see the same thing happen every game. I like the AI to be different each time.
2. Replay value. Similar to point one, I value a game where you can spend many hours in it and continue to be intrigued by it.
3. Historical accuracy. I like games to be historically accurate, for example in World War II, not having the Axis producing Allied planes, etc.
4. Time period. I am most intrigued by the time period of 1914 (World War I) to 1945 (end of World War II). I am also heavily intrigued by the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War time periods. Don't feel limited by this though, as I'm completely open to any time period. I am quite a history buff, so I enjoy learning about all facets of history!

Of course there can be some discrepancies from the above points when suggesting a game. I don't expect to find the "perfect" game, but those are just some main prospects that I think add a lot to a game.

So, what do you guys think? Any recommendations?

Thanks!

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/18/2016 5:42:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Wurtz

Hi everyone,

I'm pretty new to Matrix and Slitherine games. I was wondering if those here who know their collection well could recommend one to me?

Here are some basic principles I like to see in games:

1. Randomization. I don't really like to see the same thing happen every game. I like the AI to be different each time.
2. Replay value. Similar to point one, I value a game where you can spend many hours in it and continue to be intrigued by it.
3. Historical accuracy. I like games to be historically accurate, for example in World War II, not having the Axis producing Allied planes, etc.
4. Time period. I am most intrigued by the time period of 1914 (World War I) to 1945 (end of World War II). I am also heavily intrigued by the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War time periods. Don't feel limited by this though, as I'm completely open to any time period. I am quite a history buff, so I enjoy learning about all facets of history!

Of course there can be some discrepancies from the above points when suggesting a game. I don't expect to find the "perfect" game, but those are just some main prospects that I think add a lot to a game.

So, what do you guys think? Any recommendations?

Thanks!


3. WW2: WitP AE, WitE / WitW. No fantasy, uber historical accuracy. AGEOD [American] Civil War II

I play/ed all of them except WitW. PBEM and vs AI. AE is a monster. A logistical dream (or nightmare ) WitE is another monster but much more manageable. The AGEOD game is wonderful.

2. Witp has been on my hard drive since 2004. It still amazes me even after 12 years. So... enough said! Same thing with the others.

But of course, to each his own

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/18/2016 5:52:41 PM   
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Okay I'll bite. Though I haven't tried this game (lack of patience perhaps), it may fit into your requirements. Gary Grigsby's titles such as War In The East and War In The West may be appealing. For WW1, though it may not be as detailed is Commander The Great War, which pits you as the Entente or Central powers' leader.
The best advice though on choosing games would be to review these forums. The forum topics should give you some sense of the popularity and challenge of the game itself.
Added note: In the Matrix store on a games' page, there are links to current discussions on that particular game.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/18/2016 7:15:14 PM   
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Welcome William to the family! I would suggest (if you haven't done so) going to the "PRODUCTS" page (tab) and do a search. All the game pages have good descriptions and alot of good info (Genre, Period, etc.) and you will get alot of games that members here will recommend! Enjoy the ride!

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/18/2016 7:59:12 PM   
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If you want a game that allows random creation try Advanced Tactics Gold.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/18/2016 8:25:19 PM   
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Decisive Campaigns: Barbarossa, here at Matrix. Or on Steam.

Although it is all about the Barbarossa Campaign, there are so many variations of play possible in the game that it has VERY high replayability. The AI is superb, for either side.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/18/2016 8:26:45 PM   
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I see. I'll check these out. Thanks for the suggestions!

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/19/2016 12:08:24 AM   
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Randomization, challenging AI and replayability? I know the one you wish if you like fantasy wargames.

Try Heroes III of might and magic and HOTA (free expansion).

Do not buy the HD edition available in Steam, get the old Complete edition instead.

I also recommend Heroes V of might and magic and a free mod.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/19/2016 4:14:49 PM   
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Steel Panthers - World at War reinforced with Enhanced mod and then some. All in one installation file. Steel Panthers game series is a legend, and Major Mess & iskaput (same person with different forum accounts) has made heroic deed to put the newest of the series together with the most popular mods. Game can have some issues with newest computers, particularly with Windows 7 and multicore processors. If you have any issues with it, look up SPWAW section in this forum and tell about your problems in there. There are solutions, and game works for me.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/19/2016 6:51:41 PM   
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Command Ops,GGWITE, GGWITW, WITP, WW1Gold for modern Command Modern Air\Naval Operations or Flashpoint Campaigns Red Storm.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/20/2016 12:53:31 AM   
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Panzer Command: Osfront if you like tactical WWII games. lots of random though not as much as a total randomized game and lots of replayability.

Conquest Medieval if you like chesslike games with wargame like figures. Very random very replayable.

Battle Academy II has the eastern front and randomization miniatures style play and much replayability

While command Ops is listed it's not a randomized game. The maps, starting units and scenario's are static, while you can adjust the reinforcement pool and starting advantages.

Making History WWII and now I believe WWI are randomized faction sides and truly a what if historical game of WWII. What if Germany and America had of joined up is possible. What if the USA had of never entered the war? What if Brazil attacked so n so. It's also "turn based" and looks a lot like the early HOI's. Though I wouldn't call this game "historically accurate" but, the what if about it is interesting.

As someone else said above "Advanced Tactics Gold" is very random but not quite historical. It's more of an enhanced EMPIRE Deluxe game than a historically accurate wargame although you can design some scenario's and some come with the game that deal with WWI or WWII premades.

Many of the titles you've seen so far are also heavily advanced player games like WitP and WitE and WitW. These are monster games and have a steep learning curve. I once read a player took 2 hours playing the 1st turn of War in the Pacific.

Last but not least is of course Steel Panthers W@W or WWII. Free game download if you just google and search for it. Might even be here haven't checked.

I don't know how advanced you are or what level of entry you are but the ones I have listed are entry to intermediate level. Mostly quick to play and don't take a lifetime to make a move or finish a game.


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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/20/2016 1:50:03 AM   
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Battlefront.com Combat Mission 2 game series has a demo but no WWI. Worth at least checking out after buying all the Matrix games.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/20/2016 5:10:23 AM   
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World in Flames. Check out the AAR's. As for your basic principles:
1. Randomization. (very high), although this game has no AI and is meant to be played vs human opponents.
2. Replay value. (extremely high, actually unlimited). You will spend the rest of your life intrigued by it.
3. Historical accuracy. (very low). While there are actual units that participated...especially every naval vessel from cruisers and up represented from every major and minor nation and air units, there are some late war fantasy units as well. There is no historical set up, everything comes down to your own placements and purchases. In a way, it would help to be a fantasist.
4. Time period. Fits.

You might want to consider two more basic principles: Game Support. Is the game currently being supported by either the original developer (updates, bugs, etc...), or by dedicated fans such as Steel Panthers (another good pick)? The other principle is: Universe of players playing the game. WiF is huge and has conventions around the world.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/20/2016 5:27:00 AM   
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World in Flames. Check out the AAR's. As for your basic principles:
1. Randomization. (very high), although this game has no AI and is meant to be played vs human opponents.
2. Replay value. (extremely high, actually unlimited). You will spend the rest of your life intrigued by it.
3. Historical accuracy. (very low). While there are actual units that participated...especially every naval vessel from cruisers and up represented from every major and minor nation and air units, there are some late war fantasy units as well. There is no historical set up, everything comes down to your own placements and purchases. In a way, it would help to be a fantasist.
4. Time period. Fits.

You might want to consider two more basic principles: Game Support. Is the game currently being supported by either the original developer (updates, bugs, etc...), or by dedicated fans such as Steel Panthers (another good pick)? The other principle is: Universe of players playing the game. WiF is huge and has conventions around the world.
warspite1

+1 Best Game Ever - (but please note this game still has issues which anyone on that forum would be happy to discuss if you are interested)

I would add something to Historical Accuracy though.

The game is designed to be one that can be won by either side. For that reason there are liberties taken for game balance purposes with some of the unit factors (and no doubt the unit numbers). That said however, the game does provide players with an historical framework to ensure that each game has a proper WWII feel e.g. The Axis are the Axis - Italy, Germany and Japan and the Allies are the Allies, CW, France, China and, ultimately the USA and the USSR (there is a clever US entry system and a Nazi-Soviet pact to keep things in check). Within that framework players can do pretty much what they want (with some exceptions) although in WIF, every action in the early part of the war by both sides has a potential effect on all important US Entry - so its never a free for all.

If you want a fun - but very difficult to master - game that encompasses the entire war, and is set out on a beautiful map of the whole world!, with NATO counters for the armies, and full colour silhouettes of the ships and aircraft that took part in WWII then look no further.


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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/20/2016 11:31:12 AM   
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I once read a player took 2 hours playing the 1st turn of War in the Pacific.


That is an optimistic estimation. It can easily take 4 or 5 hours (the allied side) if you want to do everything on the first turn. The Japanese first turn might take 10, 20 or even 30 hours

It looks insane but after that -if you fully understand the rules, not too hard by the way- you're using the autopilot and with around 5, 10 minutes each turn you should be ok.


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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/20/2016 11:10:19 PM   
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I recommended site with game for kids - really site full of interesting games

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/21/2016 5:21:43 AM   
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+1 Best Game Ever - (but please note this game still has issues which anyone on that forum would be happy to discuss if you are interested)


To each his own; WiF is a very popular game with some people, but I didn't care for it at all. Even it if worked (which it didn't the last time I tried to play long ago), it has a very counter-intuitive and complicated turn structure, and I didn't care much for how combat is resolved. Plus its expensive, and the rule books are > 300 pp, so it is quite an investment in time and money to play... Finally, there is no AI and probably never will be AI.

I'm not interested in getting into a big debate about the points above, but simply wanted to point out that WiF is not for everyone.

You might want to look at Matrix's Campaign Series Middle East; it is a bit after your time period, but has most of the other features, including lots of randomization. It also has a very good, responsive dev team, and they are planning additional games in the series (Vietnam next in line).

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/21/2016 5:47:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: 76mm

quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1
+1 Best Game Ever - (but please note this game still has issues which anyone on that forum would be happy to discuss if you are interested)


I'm not interested in getting into a big debate about the points above, but simply wanted to point out that WiF is not for everyone.

warspite1

What game is?


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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/21/2016 9:07:37 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: 76mm

quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1
+1 Best Game Ever - (but please note this game still has issues which anyone on that forum would be happy to discuss if you are interested)


I'm not interested in getting into a big debate about the points above, but simply wanted to point out that WiF is not for everyone.

warspite1





CIVILIZATION II-IV-V.

What game is? After all these years the civilization series is still in the top 10 of best games of all time. In the sense not for everyone...true....but darn close. Better overall than WIF for sure, of course as always imho.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/21/2016 11:21:18 AM   
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To each his own; WiF is a very popular game with some people, but I didn't care for it at all. Even it if worked (which it didn't the last time I tried to play long ago), it has a very counter-intuitive and complicated turn structure, and I didn't care much for how combat is resolved. Plus its expensive, and the rule books are > 300 pp, so it is quite an investment in time and money to play... Finally, there is no AI and probably never will be AI.

I'm not interested in getting into a big debate about the points above, but simply wanted to point out that WiF is not for everyone.

You might want to look at Matrix's Campaign Series Middle East; it is a bit after your time period, but has most of the other features, including lots of randomization. It also has a very good, responsive dev team, and they are planning additional games in the series (Vietnam next in line).


+1

Competent dev teams are not usual in these times. From my experience that´s an important value for any good game.


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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/21/2016 4:41:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jafele


quote:

ORIGINAL: 76mm

To each his own; WiF is a very popular game with some people, but I didn't care for it at all. Even it if worked (which it didn't the last time I tried to play long ago), it has a very counter-intuitive and complicated turn structure, and I didn't care much for how combat is resolved. Plus its expensive, and the rule books are > 300 pp, so it is quite an investment in time and money to play... Finally, there is no AI and probably never will be AI.

I'm not interested in getting into a big debate about the points above, but simply wanted to point out that WiF is not for everyone.

You might want to look at Matrix's Campaign Series Middle East; it is a bit after your time period, but has most of the other features, including lots of randomization. It also has a very good, responsive dev team, and they are planning additional games in the series (Vietnam next in line).


+1

Competent dev teams are not usual in these times. From my experience that´s an important value for any good game.



Amen to that brother man.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/22/2016 12:45:29 PM   
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"3. WW2: WitP AE, WitE / WitW."

If he is new here how do you expect him to know what all those acronyms mean?

FFS! ;)

For some real time fun get Close Combat - Gateway to Caen.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/22/2016 3:57:57 PM   
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"3. WW2: WitP AE, WitE / WitW."

If he is new here how do you expect him to know what all those acronyms mean?

FFS! ;)


I don't expect anything. I always used these acronyms on these forums. Although I would not use them on my local Club -The Refined Art of Dung Beetle Breeding and other Trascendental Matters. In case of doubt he only has to ask.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 5/30/2016 1:19:30 PM   
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Thanks for the suggestions! My recommendation game is here!

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RE: Game recommendation? - 7/13/2016 5:35:45 PM   
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Thank you! Great!

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RE: Game recommendation? - 7/13/2016 7:40:14 PM   
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Command Ops may not be randomised as such but the AI is excellent and will play out differently each time.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 12/22/2016 5:04:19 AM   
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The life of the dew worm is more interesting than beetles.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 12/22/2016 1:26:51 PM   
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D.R.O.N.E. the game

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RE: Game recommendation? - 12/22/2016 8:40:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore


quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1


quote:

ORIGINAL: 76mm

quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1
+1 Best Game Ever - (but please note this game still has issues which anyone on that forum would be happy to discuss if you are interested)


I'm not interested in getting into a big debate about the points above, but simply wanted to point out that WiF is not for everyone.

warspite1





CIVILIZATION II-IV-V.

What game is? After all these years the civilization series is still in the top 10 of best games of all time. In the sense not for everyone...true....but darn close. Better overall than WIF for sure, of course as always imho.

Hate civ they ruined combat you can not wage war.

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RE: Game recommendation? - 12/22/2016 11:00:45 PM   
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World in Flames. Check out the AAR's. As for your basic principles:
1. Randomization. (very high), although this game has no AI and is meant to be played vs human opponents.
2. Replay value. (extremely high, actually unlimited). You will spend the rest of your life intrigued by it.
3. Historical accuracy. (very low). While there are actual units that participated...especially every naval vessel from cruisers and up represented from every major and minor nation and air units, there are some late war fantasy units as well. There is no historical set up, everything comes down to your own placements and purchases. In a way, it would help to be a fantasist.
4. Time period. Fits.

You might want to consider two more basic principles: Game Support. Is the game currently being supported by either the original developer (updates, bugs, etc...), or by dedicated fans such as Steel Panthers (another good pick)? The other principle is: Universe of players playing the game. WiF is huge and has conventions around the world.


quote:

warspite1

+1 Best Game Ever - (but please note this game still has issues which anyone on that forum would be happy to discuss if you are interested)

I would add something to Historical Accuracy though.

The game is designed to be one that can be won by either side. For that reason there are liberties taken for game balance purposes with some of the unit factors (and no doubt the unit numbers). That said however, the game does provide players with an historical framework to ensure that each game has a proper WWII feel e.g. The Axis are the Axis - Italy, Germany and Japan and the Allies are the Allies, CW, France, China and, ultimately the USA and the USSR (there is a clever US entry system and a Nazi-Soviet pact to keep things in check). Within that framework players can do pretty much what they want (with some exceptions) although in WIF, every action in the early part of the war by both sides has a potential effect on all important US Entry - so its never a free for all.

If you want a fun - but very difficult to master - game that encompasses the entire war, and is set out on a beautiful map of the whole world!, with NATO counters for the armies, and full colour silhouettes of the ships and aircraft that took part in WWII then look no further.


Amen to those.

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