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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/3/2015 1:40:27 PM   
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Thank you for sharing.

However, the competition is flawed since the bestest ship ever, HMS Warspite, was not included.



Actually you (inadvertently) have a point about the Queen Elizabeth class. They were available for service in time for WW1 and still capable enough for use in WW2. As such they were probably some of the best value for money battleships.

And Warspite has one of the most impressive combat records of any BB. Pretty much whole of WW1 in GF, especially Jutland, then MEd, Far east, Med again, D Day... it just goes on. And holder (or joint holder if you are KM) of the longest unguided projectile hit from a moving firer to a moving target in history (26000 yds - must have given the ItN such a shock!)

Lets have a Warspite FB thread!
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Well I'm guessing there is at least two of us in that camp


Where do I sign up?
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The list is right here .

Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1


Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/3/2015 4:00:06 PM   
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The list is right here .

Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1



Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1
Orm


If you mean the most accomplished, best-crewed BB ever, rather than best designed, I'm in!

warspite1
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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/3/2015 4:14:25 PM   
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I'm with my frozen Winnipeg friend!!

It was interesting to see how well rated Richelieu was...I never paid much attention to the Fr navy.

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/3/2015 4:20:04 PM   
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The list is right here .

Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1



Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1
Orm


If you mean the most accomplished, best-crewed BB ever, rather than best designed, I'm in!

warspite1
Orm
BBfanboy
warspite1

It can mean whatever you want

Best looking (at any stage in her life) and/or best value for money and/or best storyline if a film was to be made about a ship and/or most battle honours and/or best er... anything!

warspite1
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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/5/2015 9:07:46 AM   
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The list is right here .

Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1



Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1
Orm


If you mean the most accomplished, best-crewed BB ever, rather than best designed, I'm in!

warspite1
Orm
BBfanboy
warspite1

It can mean whatever you want

Best looking (at any stage in her life) and/or best value for money and/or best storyline if a film was to be made about a ship and/or most battle honours and/or best er... anything!

warspite1
Orm
BBfanboy
pontiouspilot
warspite1

Ahem.... 4?!


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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/5/2015 11:02:08 AM   
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The list is right here .

Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1



Who thinks HMS Warspite is the bestest battleship ever.

warspite1
Orm


If you mean the most accomplished, best-crewed BB ever, rather than best designed, I'm in!

warspite1
Orm
BBfanboy
warspite1

It can mean whatever you want

Best looking (at any stage in her life) and/or best value for money and/or best storyline if a film was to be made about a ship and/or most battle honours and/or best er... anything!

warspite1
Orm
BBfanboy
pontiouspilot
warspite1

Ahem.... 4?!


5!

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/12/2015 12:11:59 AM   
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I say. Is this interwebs list where I put in my two bits for Texas being the finest battleship of its age?

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/12/2015 12:16:41 AM   
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I say. Is this interwebs list where I put in my two bits for Texas being the finest battleship of its age?

One of the best convoy escorts ever built.

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/12/2015 4:42:59 AM   
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I say. Is this interwebs list where I put in my two bits for Texas being the finest battleship of its age?


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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/12/2015 7:57:27 AM   
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How many surface-surface combats did Texas participate in??

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/12/2015 9:54:39 AM   
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I say. Is this interwebs list where I put in my two bits for Texas being the finest battleship of its age?

I must conclude that when you say "finest" you can not possibly be speaking of how she looks.




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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/12/2015 2:22:36 PM   
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That pic was my wallpaper for the longest time.

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/13/2015 1:58:31 AM   
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How many surface-surface combats did Texas participate in??

Santiago de Cuba is the only one I know of.

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/13/2015 5:34:41 AM   
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But thats Texas I, you cant use that unless you include all 7 Warpites!

(First)

Cadiz 1596

(Second)

Orfordness 1666
Sole Bay 1672
Schooneveld 1673
Texel 1673
Barfleur 1692
Velez Malaga 1705
Marbella 1705

(Third)

Lagos 1759
Quiberon 1759

(Seventh)

Jutland 1916
Atlantic 1939
Narvik 1940
Norway 1940
Calabria 1940
Mediterranean 1940-41-43
Malta Convoys 1941
Matapan 1941
Crete 1941
Sicily 1943
Salerno 1943
English Channel 1944
Normandy 1944
Biscay 1944
Walcheren 1944


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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/13/2015 7:53:23 PM   
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But thats Texas I, you cant use that unless you include all 7 Warpites!


Well, you were just unclear in your line of (leading) questioning.

Besides, if we wanted to include all Texas fights before the birth of our fine nation, we'd have to include the Alamo, ACW, Poncho Villa, the Mexican-American war and so on and so on. Lots more Texas fighting than Warspite fighting.

ETA: What were 4-6 doing? Sitting on their hands? There has never been a BB Texas that wasn't in the fight, my good man!

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/14/2015 3:26:14 AM   
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Poncho Villa was time traveler?

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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/15/2015 2:51:38 AM   
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I have several books on the Regia Marina in WW2, but the best is The Italian Navy in WWII by Bragadin (my copy is very old).

The Italian ships built by the mid-1930's were very very good, and their rebuild/modernization's of their WW1 BBs were perhaps the most successful ever done, while the Littorio class BB's were among the best of their era... worthy of Leonardo da Vinci.

The Italian Navy's biggest detriment - I think - was fuel supply. It's so ironic that they were sitting on the world's best source of sweet crude - bunker ready - in Libya...but didn't know/or tap it at the time... besides their tactical commanders being too hamstrung by their shore-based command - SuperMarina.

I love the HMS Warspite - and her unparalleled career, but the Regia Marina will always remain a great What-If in my mind....


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RE: Comparison of BB's - 12/15/2015 7:49:50 PM   
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But the old BBs modernisation was considered a failure by most Italians. While the first pair was considered a necessary stopgap because there wasn't anything else and VV's were years from service, the last pair was considered wasteful. With 320mm gun(even that a conversion from a 305mm gun) and 250mm belt is nothing more than a battle cruiser at most, they could not compete with British WW1 BB's that all had 381mm with the increased elevation.

Now an interesting what if is if Italy had build the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Caracciolo-class_battleship after WW1 and not canceled them already on shipyard and with 381mm guns already build.

The others reasons are institutional, Italy was a new country, it didn't had a naval tradition even many of its states had in the past like Venice. Italy is a younger country than USA and much of energies were spent maintaining the country without splitting.

Edit: by this i mean that initiative was curtailed because it could be threat to unification.

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