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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 7/4/2015 3:53:41 PM   
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I personally think that as long as this thread doesn't degrade into personal attacks or other unwanted/unwelcome behaviour


Good point Tazak. I still believe that everybody here is free to express its own views, opinions, interpretations and news sources. Always with respect and tolerance to whom might not agree or have a different perspective/information. The discussions get rich and entertaining.

If its off-topic we can set that up as well. Moderators are here to guide us.

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 7/11/2015 6:45:29 PM   
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Until now, however, it has been extremely rare to find Russian soldiers who have fought there and are willing to talk. It is even rarer to find soldiers who have quit the army. Five soldiers who recently quit, including two who said they left rather than serve in Ukraine, have told Reuters of their experiences.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/10/us-ukraine-crisis-soldiers-specialreport-idUSKBN0NV06Q20150510

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 7/14/2015 12:59:06 AM   
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The myth of 'hybrid war' in Ukraine

The West continues to suggest that Russia is engaged in a furtive “hybrid war” in Ukraine in an attempt to destabilize the country. But Russia has no interest in creating a new frozen conflict.

http://www.russia-direct.org/opinion/myth-hybrid-war-ukraine

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 7/18/2015 6:23:21 AM   
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Ukraine clashes raise questions over Right Sector militia

Clashes over the weekend in south-western Ukraine between members of a far-right volunteer militia and local authorities have raised fears that violence is spreading beyond the conflict in Ukraine's east and could further destabilise the country's fragile political balance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33523869

Right Sector gunmen take 6-year old boy hostage in western Ukraine in standoff with police

Right Sector was one of the most militant factions in the massive protests in Ukraine's capital that led to pro-Russia President Viktor Yanukovych fleeing the country in February 2014. Since war broke out in eastern Ukraine between government forces and pro-Russia separatists several months later, Right Sector has fought on the government side and Amnesty International has accused the group of holding civilians as prisoners and torturing them.

Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh holds a seat in parliament, but the group has little formal involvement in conventional politics. Russia has been harshly critical of Ukrainian leaders for not taking a firm stand against Right Sector, saying Kiev's apparent tolerance of the group suggests the government harbors fascist leanings.

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2015/07/13/right-sector-gunmen-take-boy-hostage-in-western-ukraine

‘Right Sector on combat alert’: Ukraine Neo-Nazis refuse to lay down arms after shootout

Ukrainian Right Sector militants, blocked in on the outskirts of Mukachevo after deadly clashes with police, are refusing to lay down their arms without their leader’s orders. Civilians in the area have been evacuated, as negotiations so far have failed.

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 7/18/2015 8:41:58 AM   
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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 7/20/2015 5:43:01 AM   
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To Kiev and beyond, comrades!

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/11/2015 5:55:17 PM   
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Russian T-72B3 ( the type not used by Ukraine army ) turned submarine. It has been there since winter fighting:


subir fotos online


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subir fotos a internet

The same vehicle during better times:


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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/11/2015 6:34:07 PM   
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katukov, you have a great chance to mistake then you cope pictures from political sources . It is not T-72B3 in the previous pictures. It's old T-72B (model 1989). Looks, it have no thermal sight and no wind sensor in the turret top. Only classical night sight

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/11/2015 6:58:04 PM   
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katukov, you have a great chance to mistake then you cope pictures from political sources . It is not T-72B3 in the previous pictures. It's old T-72B (model 1989). Looks, it have no thermal sight and no wind sensor in the turret top. Only classical night sight


I took it from Lost Armour site which is Russian, if I'm not mistaken. Your are correct, I made a mistake. Still, this type of tank has never been used by Ukrainians, right? I'm not an expert but this type of ERA is also featured only on Russian tanks?

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/11/2015 7:15:55 PM   
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I'm not an expert but this type of ERA is also featured only on Russian tanks?


No, it's not right in general. It is the Soviet tank with Soviet type of ERA. So some post-Soviet countries also have it (Byelorussia, for example)

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/12/2015 3:19:15 AM   
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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/12/2015 5:46:57 AM   
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yes, and Tazak, there are no Russians in your photo. It is Ukrainian army equipped with Ukrainian BTR-3 and typical Ukrainian trunks (KRAZ-6322, I think)

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/12/2015 10:19:04 AM   
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Here you go:

Regular Russian army troops captured during the battle of Ilovaisk.

All of them managed to survive the battle and return to Russia.

They all have been identified.

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/12/2015 7:43:09 PM   
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The tank in the "before" picture has an icon on it, the Jesus pic that is generally characteristic of the separatists as opposed to the Kiev forces as far as I know. So it seems to be in use with the separatists and not the Ukrainian army, at least. That's about all I can add :)

Though it creeps me out greatly when I see the videos and photos of tanks going into battle with religious banners flying; as a Jew, it reminds me a little too much of an old Russian pastime, the pogrom....

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/27/2015 3:40:04 PM   
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Russia Inadvertently Posts Its Casualties In Ukraine: 2,000 Deaths, 3,200 Disabled

If you want to know what's up, just follow the money trail...

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/28/2015 12:48:41 PM   
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Interesting thread, especially for someone who has spent eight months in the ATO monitoring the "ceasefire".

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/28/2015 3:40:00 PM   
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Interesting thread, especially for someone who has spent eight months in the ATO monitoring the "ceasefire".


First hand accounts are welcomed ;)

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 8/28/2015 6:47:50 PM   
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I won't get into any of the back and forth that's going on. I'll leave it up to you guys to figure out how you feel about things. Besides in my experience most people will believe what they want no matter what. I would say don't believe what you read, sometimes it's not even close. Trust me I've seen media reports on things that I have firsthand knowledge of and it was straight up science fiction.







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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 9/11/2015 3:41:31 PM   
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+1...I can tell you science fiction media reports are not only a "privilege" of the eastern side...I am not referring only to the Ukrainian crisis. I have seen crap and incomplete info's from supposed serious western media regarding topics I coincidently was involved with. I do understand your point. Cheers!

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 9/15/2015 4:44:22 PM   
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So should we start a Russians in Syria thread, this one seems to have gone stale

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 9/16/2015 12:51:30 AM   
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So should we start a Russians in Syria thread, this one seems to have gone stale


I've been containing myself really hard from doing that, but I've already gathered a lot of info about that. Also overdue material for this thread, like fotos of T-90 in Ukraine


Ps. Greetings from sunny Syria:


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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 9/16/2015 5:28:01 PM   
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The truly ironic thing is, Russians in Syria to support Assad may well be the best way to stymie ISIS. As horrid as Assad is in many ways, I defy anyone to say, with a straight face, that Syria is better off now than before the civil war started. And as much as I find Putin odious, in most respects, I think he's largely correct in his strategic assessment of Syria. At least the Russian approach has the virtue of logic and consistency, things conspicuously absent from the Western response.

Now, what these young tourists pictured above are actually going to be doing is up for grabs. In the short term, probably nothing. One does have to consider the "Da Nang approach," though. In 1965 we put Marines ashore in Vietnam to protect the airbase at Da Nang. That soon expanded into full-on ground operations, as the operational needs of protection tended to escalate--the air base to support bombing, troops to guard the air base, patrols to ensure the safety of the troops, sweeps to protect the patrols, ad infinitum. Whether that will happen in Syria is yet to be seen.

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 9/18/2015 3:54:49 PM   
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I dont find Putin any more odious than any other politician worldwide, but this is just me.

Putin Explains Russia's Syrian Policy

Dushanbe speech slams west's regime change agenda - calls for closing ranks against Islamic State

A summit meeting of Eurasian States in the Tajik capital Dushanbe has provided Putin with a platform to set out Russia’s position on the Syrian crisis.

As is often the case with Putin’s speeches, the Western media has barely reported it. Instead there continues to be the usual ill-informed speculation “about what Russia is doing in Syria”, founded on farfetched claims of grand Russian geopolitical strategies spiced up with false reports of Russian military activity.

In essence what Putin is saying is very simple: the Islamic State is an existential threat to everyone and all those involved in the Syrian civil war should put aside their differences and their geopolitical strategies to combine against it.

To that end Putin proposes a revival of what is in essence the peace plan to bring an end to the Syrian conflict proposed by Kofi Annan at the Geneva Conference in 2012 – that there should be negotiations between the Syrian factions to set up a power sharing government until a final settlement of the conflict can be agreed.

As Putin points out, Assad has accepted this proposal (“President Assad is ready to involve the moderate segment of the opposition forces in these processes, in managing the state”).

At the same time Putin restates that Russia will continue to provide the Syrian military with the supplies it needs to sustain itself, though he is careful to say that this is “necessary military technology assistance” – not (so far) active involvement in the fighting by the Russian military. Putin does not rule that possibility out but it is clear he only envisages it taking place as part of a broad international coalition against the Islamic State.

Above all Putin remains adamantly opposed to regime change. He points out that it is the West’s relentless pursuit of regime change that has destabilized the entire region, and which has caused the refugee exodus.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putin-explains-russias-syrian-policy/ri9761

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 9/19/2015 2:23:53 AM   
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Reality Check: U.S. Policies in Middle East Responsible For Refugee Crisis in Europe


19 million people have been forced to flee their home countries in the Middle East and Africa because of war, persecution and oppression. 42,500 more refugees join that group every day.

The biggest driver of the refugee crisis by far is Syria. Four million people—nearly one-fifth of Syria's population—have fled the country since 2011.


So what is the source of this crisis? Something most media won't say. It started with the war in Iraq.

The United States blew that country apart looking for weapons of mass destruction that did not exist. And after more than 10 years of trying to unsuccessfully piece Iraq back together—after losing thousands of U.S. soldiers, more than $1 trillion and half a million Iraqis dead—we moved on.


But what started under President George W. Bush was continued under President Barack Obama, who went on to create regime change in Libya through the killing of Muammar Gaddafi. That move sent Libya into its current chaos, and made Libya the door to Europe for refugees.

And we backed the Saudis in their attempt to over throw Bashar Al Assad in Syria. While unsuccessful, we did manage to arm and train fighters with the Free Syrian Army who would later defect to Al Nusra Front and to ISIS.

As for ISIS themselves, when that group suddenly emerged in Iraq, where did they get the power and the ability to rise so fast?

ISIS seized thousands of Humvees, armored vehicles and weapons that the United States Military left in Iraq after the war. And yes, we left behind $6 billion worth.

What you need to know is that today we are reaping a decade and a half of foreign policy consequences. Tens of millions of people have died or been displaced because of U.S. policies in the Middle East.

Those people are not simply numbers. They are, in fact, people. Children, women and men—casualties of a so-called war on terror.

Yet over a decade and a half of war, drone strikes, thousands of lives lost and trillions of dollars spent—and consider that today in the Middle East, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Yemen and much of Africa—terror groups are actually larger and more numerous than when the war on terror first began.

Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/09/reality-check-u-s-policies-in-middle-east-responsible-for-refugee-crisis-in-europe/#JihvYAldWeLswJmr.99

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RE: Russians in Ukraine - 9/19/2015 2:32:37 AM   
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"The war on terror, that campaign without end launched 14 years ago by George Bush, is tying itself up in ever more grotesque contortions. On Monday the trial in London of a Swedish man, Bherlin Gildo, accused of terrorism in Syria, collapsed after it became clear British intelligence had been arming the same rebel groups the defendant was charged with supporting."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

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