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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/9/2015 11:04:56 PM   
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At least with the Piper, you have a toy which you can use fairly often. Parts should be easy to come by and the later versions of the engine are still made, unlike with the others. If you own anything with a Merlin, you'll have to stand in line for parts with the racers, who blow a few up every year.


There are enough Merlins still flying to find spares. There was a company in Chino that specialized in spare parts for Mustangs. They carried spares of all the usual maintenance items and could make anything else. The owner had a Mustang and gave me a ride once.

The more powerful the warbird, the more expensive the parts will be though. When I rode the Collins Foundation B-24 I was talking with one of their ground crew and he said the cost of fuel was one of the smaller expense items. Spare parts were what ate up most of the budget. He said the main landing gear tires need to be replaced a couple of times a year and cost $1200 a tire. Fortunately the B-17 and B-24 shared the same tire size, but they aren't regularly made anymore. Continental will do a special production run for them and they pool with other B-17 operators, but they are still very expensive.

There are specialty companies making spare parts and restoring engines, but anything from a boutique business is going to cost a premium.

The trainers are popular in large part because they are a lot cheaper to keep flying. There are a lot of them and they are fairly cheap. Once you start getting up into the 1000+ HP arena, the prices skyrocket both from demand and extra expenses keeping higher performance planes going.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/10/2015 9:31:43 PM   
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At least with the Piper, you have a toy which you can use fairly often. Parts should be easy to come by and the later versions of the engine are still made, unlike with the others. If you own anything with a Merlin, you'll have to stand in line for parts with the racers, who blow a few up every year.


There are enough Merlins still flying to find spares. There was a company in Chino that specialized in spare parts for Mustangs. They carried spares of all the usual maintenance items and could make anything else. The owner had a Mustang and gave me a ride once.

The more powerful the warbird, the more expensive the parts will be though. When I rode the Collins Foundation B-24 I was talking with one of their ground crew and he said the cost of fuel was one of the smaller expense items. Spare parts were what ate up most of the budget. He said the main landing gear tires need to be replaced a couple of times a year and cost $1200 a tire. Fortunately the B-17 and B-24 shared the same tire size, but they aren't regularly made anymore. Continental will do a special production run for them and they pool with other B-17 operators, but they are still very expensive.

There are specialty companies making spare parts and restoring engines, but anything from a boutique business is going to cost a premium.

The trainers are popular in large part because they are a lot cheaper to keep flying. There are a lot of them and they are fairly cheap. Once you start getting up into the 1000+ HP arena, the prices skyrocket both from demand and extra expenses keeping higher performance planes going.

Bill


There was an interesting article in Smithsonian's Air & Space magazine back in 2002 concerning the guys who work on Merlins and Allisons:

Masters of the V-12

Some of them didn't have kind words for the boat racers and tractor showmen who ran through Merlins and Allisons like Homer in a donut shop. Their advice if you're looking for a new engine - find a Merlin (or Griffon) built after the war for the Canadian airliners or Coastal Command -- RR built them with beefed up bottom ends for long-life and they spent most of their time at lower power settings.



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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/10/2015 9:50:09 PM   
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RR built a version of the Merlin for tanks, I believe it was called the Meteor. Instead of an aluminum block, it was cast steel and it was not geared to spin a propeller fast enough to leave the ground, but it was essentially the same engine. It would have worked fine for a monster truck, though the hydro boats wanted the lightest engines possible. Hydro boats today use jet engines and have left the Merlins and Allisons behind.

I could understand using them though. After the war surplus military hardware was dirt cheap and only a tiny few people were thinking about the future.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/10/2015 10:10:05 PM   
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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 1:31:00 AM   
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I believe this picture was taken near Guadalcanal, yes it was, I can make out The Slot.....


See, I would have said that was taken during your recent holiday to the Seychelles with Jenna, et. al. You were trying out your new SLR on your PBY and she just so happened to be in the way.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 4:17:11 AM   
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I believe this picture was taken near Guadalcanal, yes it was, I can make out The Slot.....


See, I would have said that was taken during your recent holiday to the Seychelles with Jenna, et. al. You were trying out your new SLR on your PBY and she just so happened to be in the way.
warspite1

So there I was, aboard the trusty PBY, with my funky new piece of camera kit, all ready to take the perfect landscape picture; entitled "Lagoon at sunset" when this lovely young lady decides to disrobe in front of me! There she was stark naked, and adopting that saucy, come-hither-young-man pose. I mean, who needs that? I didn't know where to look as you can imagine. I had to circle the aircraft a number of times and keep the camera going just hoping that she would get out of the way so I could take the picture I wanted......


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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 6:08:42 AM   
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I believe this picture was taken near Guadalcanal, yes it was, I can make out The Slot.....


See, I would have said that was taken during your recent holiday to the Seychelles with Jenna, et. al. You were trying out your new SLR on your PBY and she just so happened to be in the way.
warspite1

So there I was, aboard the trusty PBY, with my funky new piece of camera kit, all ready to take the perfect landscape picture; entitled "Lagoon at sunset" when this lovely young lady decides to disrobe in front of me! There she was stark naked, and adopting that saucy, come-hither-young-man pose. I mean, who needs that? I didn't know where to look as you can imagine. I had to circle the aircraft a number of times and keep the camera going just hoping that she would get out of the way so I could take the picture I wanted......


OK, right. That's your story and you're sticking to it.


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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 9:03:44 AM   
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I think an A-26 would better for a plane to go places than a PBY. I don't think anyone has landed a PBY on water in 30 years. If you did want to land it on water, you have to deal with extra corrosion problems as well as checking the hull for leaks. Plus a PBY is very slow. An A-26 has twice the cruising speed.

Bill


Slow, yes, but I can wander around from the nose turret to the side blisters. That interior is big enough for a nice little lounge with a table, a bed, a big screen LCD, and a nice minibar!

If I suddenly got into high frequency trading and was able to afford this kind of thing, I'd be thinking about journeys like this!

http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/TransAfricanCat.html

Or just days like this!








You sold me on the PBY.

But if possible I would rather have this one.




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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 9:49:09 AM   
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But if possible I would rather have this one.



Gas guzzler!

Although, speaking of a lounge! That presents some possibilities.

There's a certain flair to the lines of the PBY though.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 10:25:34 AM   
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But if possible I would rather have this one.



Gas guzzler!

Although, speaking of a lounge! That presents some possibilities.

There's a certain flair to the lines of the PBY though.

I was assuming that if I was fluent enough to own, maintain and operate a PBY I could afford a Sunderland.

Sea Otter? Anyone?




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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 1:20:46 PM   
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Here is what I saw from the ground when they flew over:

6 Stearman biplanes
7 AT 6s
2 P-40s
1 A-26
2 C 47s
1 PBY
2 B-17s
1 B-24
1 B 29 (only one left flying)
2 Corsairs
4 P-51s
3 B-25s
assorted flight of SBDs, F4Fs
1 P-38
1 TBM

It was a great day to be in DC (since you would not really want to be here any other time)

Tallyman

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 1:42:33 PM   
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Corsair for me.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 2:13:58 PM   
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Random question: Are there ANY Japanese bombers still flying? I know there are several fighters but are there any Betty/Nell/Sally/etc...

Betty was a good looking plane.



I prefer the H8K Emily, tough bird and very long range recon support and bomber roles.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 2:16:53 PM   
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I think an A-26 would better for a plane to go places than a PBY. I don't think anyone has landed a PBY on water in 30 years. If you did want to land it on water, you have to deal with extra corrosion problems as well as checking the hull for leaks. Plus a PBY is very slow. An A-26 has twice the cruising speed.

Bill


Slow, yes, but I can wander around from the nose turret to the side blisters. That interior is big enough for a nice little lounge with a table, a bed, a big screen LCD, and a nice minibar!

If I suddenly got into high frequency trading and was able to afford this kind of thing, I'd be thinking about journeys like this!

http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/TransAfricanCat.html

Or just days like this!









I got to go with Obvert here. You are more likely to actually hook up and have sex if you have a PBY..so long as there is a mini-bar. So it has to be my choice. That is....if I can get it past my wife.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 8:12:07 PM   
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I think an A-26 would better for a plane to go places than a PBY. I don't think anyone has landed a PBY on water in 30 years. If you did want to land it on water, you have to deal with extra corrosion problems as well as checking the hull for leaks. Plus a PBY is very slow. An A-26 has twice the cruising speed.

Bill


Slow, yes, but I can wander around from the nose turret to the side blisters. That interior is big enough for a nice little lounge with a table, a bed, a big screen LCD, and a nice minibar!

If I suddenly got into high frequency trading and was able to afford this kind of thing, I'd be thinking about journeys like this!

http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/TransAfricanCat.html

Or just days like this!









I got to go with Obvert here. You are more likely to actually hook up and have sex if you have a PBY..so long as there is a mini-bar. So it has to be my choice. That is....if I can get it past my wife.


I'll tell you what, you buy it put it under my name, she never has to know.


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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 10:54:23 PM   
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Here is what I saw from the ground when they flew over:

6 Stearman biplanes
7 AT 6s
2 P-40s
1 A-26
2 C 47s
1 PBY
2 B-17s
1 B-24
1 B 29 (only one left flying)
2 Corsairs
4 P-51s
3 B-25s
assorted flight of SBDs, F4Fs
1 P-38
1 TBM

It was a great day to be in DC (since you would not really want to be here any other time)

Tallyman


There is only one B-24 flying too. The Collin Foundation must have been there.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/11/2015 11:02:29 PM   
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I got to go with Obvert here. You are more likely to actually hook up and have sex if you have a PBY..so long as there is a mini-bar. So it has to be my choice. That is....if I can get it past my wife.


If that's your goal, I suggest investing in a sorts car instead. It would be cheaper, and can get to the places where women who would likely be interested in that sort of thing are hanging out (like night clubs). Despite the picture, I don't think that's a very common scenario.

Personally I've never been the sort to do anything or buy anything for being seen doing it.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/12/2015 1:38:11 PM   
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I'll take the PBY. I wonder how hard it would be to rig with down-riggers and a trolling motor?

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/12/2015 5:56:34 PM   
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I'll take the PBY. I wonder how hard it would be to rig with down-riggers and a trolling motor?

Okay then, how about a Goose?




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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/12/2015 6:34:27 PM   
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I'll take the PBY. I wonder how hard it would be to rig with down-riggers and a trolling motor?

Okay then, how about a Goose?





That'll do!

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/12/2015 8:36:00 PM   
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I am in possession of Wonder Woman's invisible plane so I don't need any of those. I would put it on display for the public but it's well, invisible.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/12/2015 8:58:10 PM   
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Is that a Goose? If so it's been re-engined. They originally had radials.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/13/2015 5:01:00 AM   
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Betty was a good looking plane.

Betty I know, is a good looking gal. I take the F4F.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/13/2015 8:10:33 PM   
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I think an A-26 would better for a plane to go places than a PBY. I don't think anyone has landed a PBY on water in 30 years. If you did want to land it on water, you have to deal with extra corrosion problems as well as checking the hull for leaks. Plus a PBY is very slow. An A-26 has twice the cruising speed.

Bill


Slow, yes, but I can wander around from the nose turret to the side blisters. That interior is big enough for a nice little lounge with a table, a bed, a big screen LCD, and a nice minibar!

If I suddenly got into high frequency trading and was able to afford this kind of thing, I'd be thinking about journeys like this!

http://www.michaelprophet.com/News_articles/TransAfricanCat.html

Or just days like this!









I wish I got a reconnaissance mission like this once in a while. Guess I better get a Catalina first.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/13/2015 8:17:59 PM   
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Thanks for leaving the Grasshopper for me.

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/13/2015 10:09:32 PM   
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I wish I got a reconnaissance mission like this once in a while. Guess I better get a Catalina first.


Yeah, I just found some more pics. This is just too good. The bar right betwwen the side blisters. Too bad that girl's blocking the view.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/424/language/en-CA/Sweet-Dreams-and-Nightmares.aspx




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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/13/2015 11:50:17 PM   
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Too bad that girl's blocking the view.


Huh, what view?

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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/16/2015 5:16:10 PM   
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I've been wanting one of these. The script on the front says "gorns bite".




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RE: OK Kids....you can own only one of these...which do... - 5/17/2015 3:45:50 AM   
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I wish I got a reconnaissance mission like this once in a while. Guess I better get a Catalina first.


Yeah, I just found some more pics. This is just too good. The bar right betwwen the side blisters. Too bad that girl's blocking the view.

http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNews/Stories/tabid/116/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/424/language/en-CA/Sweet-Dreams-and-Nightmares.aspx





I'm confused now. What do we get to pick one of again? The girls or the planes

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