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How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 1:02:12 PM   
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I am having high, "non moving" inventory issues with the CAC Wirraway... and they keep building it regardless... my warehouses might run out of space

other than the few planes needed as trainers; is there any use for this little plane?

Maybe I should try to convince my Australians friends about the wonders of kamikaze missions

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 1:06:01 PM   
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ASW patrol?

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 1:09:26 PM   
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ASW patrol?


Good idea, but too short ranged... too small bomb load. The also abundant Hudson is a much better option

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 1:19:16 PM   
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That's what I use them for, ASW and training....

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 1:31:27 PM   
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ASW patrol?


Good idea, but too short ranged... too small bomb load. The also abundant Hudson is a much better option


The greatest need for ASW is in close proximity to main port hubs which Wirraways do a fine job of protecting.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 1:40:06 PM   
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Early game training for a few months, but then naval search.

On naval search they will spot subs out to 5 hexes, giving you a good chance of preventing attacks around rear area ports in Oz, if in fact it is a rear area. They won't attack subs all that often, but they will spot them!

Free's up other models for more serious work until you upgrade to a better plane.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 1:47:05 PM   
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Australia comes with virtually no trained pilots at the start. I use every whirraway unit for training. ASW in times of dire need but only for a short while. Pretty worthless for any other activity.


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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 2:28:09 PM   
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Wirraways provide the Aussies the best trained bomber force of any Allied nation by late '42.....

trainers and port ASW protection.

Just wish they could be used to train fighter pilots!

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 3:48:13 PM   
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Search. Hudson for ASW.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 3:53:03 PM   
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Training-Search-ASW

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 4:32:52 PM   
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Wirraways provide the Aussies the best trained bomber force of any Allied nation by late '42.....

trainers and port ASW protection.

Just wish they could be used to train fighter pilots!


This is so true in my PBEM game!

I have most Australian/ NZ squadrons doing nothing other than training since early december... I guess the consequence of an India oriented campaign

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 4:42:46 PM   
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Wirraways provide the Aussies the best trained bomber force of any Allied nation by late '42.....

trainers and port ASW protection.

Just wish they could be used to train fighter pilots!


This is so true in my PBEM game!

I have most Australian/ NZ squadrons doing nothing other than training since early december... I guess the consequence of an India oriented campaign


Kinda begs a similar question - what do you do with the Indian AF???

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 4:49:56 PM   
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Well in my game the many Lysander squadrons are very committed to the campaign, mostly doing recon.
The other crap planes are just trainers


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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 5:17:40 PM   
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Well in my game the many Lysander squadrons are very committed to the campaign, mostly doing recon.
The other crap planes are just trainers




Same here except I use the lone Blenny 1 squad for ASW.

Later in '43 after many of their squads withdraw and return as better models or upgrade to better models their AF becomes more useful.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 6:09:41 PM   
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The few times I've played Allies I've tended to use them on CAS missions, particularly where Japanese air cover is weak. If I'm desperate, I'll put them on Naval attack as a last ditch measure (there are much better planes for attacking ships).

They have their uses, just not near anything that can shoot back.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 9:02:20 PM   
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strap a depth charge to them and av.gas for 1 way trip....fuel the plots with Bundaberg rum and you will win the war in '42!!

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 4/30/2015 11:30:42 PM   
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I train my Aussie bomber pilots for ASW in Wirraways then change the squadron to something with more range like Hudsons when their skills get up there. When Allied ASW improves, the Aussies become lethal at it. The Japanese subs lurking off Australia's east coast disappear in fairly short order. Mostly due to damage.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 5/2/2015 8:29:03 PM   
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Except for emergency sorties in early '42, I've used them only for training.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/8/2015 4:03:30 PM   
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But Wirraways have two accurate MGs in CL position. Why can't they be {louse) fighters?

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/8/2015 4:35:37 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Wirraways provide the Aussies the best trained bomber force of any Allied nation by late '42.....

trainers and port ASW protection.

Just wish they could be used to train fighter pilots!


This is so true in my PBEM game!

I have most Australian/ NZ squadrons doing nothing other than training since early december... I guess the consequence of an India oriented campaign


Use some of them to do general training. When they get to 50% experience put them in a fighter sqd. and by the time you get their escort exp. to 70 their defensive skills and other sometimes useful skills will be high.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/8/2015 10:36:26 PM   
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But Wirraways have two accurate MGs in CL position. Why can't they be {louse) fighters?

IRL, a Wirraway shot down an Oscar over/near Lae.

Easy to recall as it was its only victory.

Also IRL, Wirraways were used to mark japanese positions for attack by better Allied aircraft such as RNZAF Corsairs on Bouganville.

In game I use them as above, Training, ASW. Especially in the opening months this allows your limited light bomber force to try and attrit the japanese onslaught,

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/8/2015 10:47:14 PM   
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But Wirraways have two accurate MGs in CL position. Why can't they be {louse) fighters?

IRL, a Wirraway shot down an Oscar over/near Lae.

Easy to recall as it was its only victory.


ZERO SHOT DOWN BY WIRRAWAY from MERVYN WESTON, "Argus" War Correspondent


"Strike me dead. How did he do it?" exclaimed the C-O.




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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/9/2015 8:03:56 AM   
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But Wirraways have two accurate MGs in CL position. Why can't they be {louse) fighters?

IRL, a Wirraway shot down an Oscar over/near Lae.

Easy to recall as it was its only victory.


ZERO SHOT DOWN BY WIRRAWAY from MERVYN WESTON, "Argus" War Correspondent


"Strike me dead. How did he do it?" exclaimed the C-O.




Recent research has proved it was an Oscar, but every japanese fighter was a Zero!!

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/9/2015 8:06:21 AM   
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https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/RELAWM31891.001/

This aircraft was received at 1 Aircraft Depot, Laverton, Victoria (Vic), on 8 September 1940. Between 7 October 1940 to 15 January 1943 it served with 4 Squadron RAAF at Canberra, Australian Capital Territory (ACT), Camden, New South Wales (NSW), Kingaroy, Queensland (Qld), and Berry (Bomana), New Guinea. During service with 4 Squadron it flew 42 operational missions and 49 other flights.

During a land recce and artillery observation and gun spotting mission in Buna area on 26 December 1942, the crew of this aircraft, Pilot Officer (PO) J S Archer and Sergeant Coulston, saw an enemy aircraft 1000 ft below. In an extract from 4 Squadron Operations Record Book: 'PO Archer reported that being in a favourable position, he delivered a front quarter attack and fired a burst of approx. 5 secs. He reported that he observed the enemy aircraft strike the water and burst into flames. He then continued his recce and returned to Poppendetta'. Signal received from RAAF Poppendetta advised it was 'confirmed from 3 sources that PO Archer returning from tactical recce shot down a Zeke this AM'.

Australian Army personnel from the 2/14th and 2/16th Battalions witnessed the attack and the body of the Japanese pilot was recovered. PO Archer was awarded the US Silver Star on 19 January 1943 for, the citation states, 'doing the impossible - shooting down a Zero and bringing home his observer to tell the tale'. This aircraft subsequently served with 5 Service Flying Training School (SFTS) at Uranquinty, NSW, and 3 Communications Unit, Mascot, NSW. After the Second World War it served at RAAF Point Cook, Vic. The Australian War Memorial received the aircraft in 1959. The total flying time of the airframe is 3371 hours and 25 minutes.

Post war investigation revealed that the aircraft shot down was actually a Nakajima Ki-43-II Hayabusa 'Oscar' of the 11th Sentai, rather than an Imperial Navy A6M2 Zero.


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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/9/2015 10:40:16 AM   
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Well concur with answers, they are training planes....look up the update path and see what future updates are then train for the purpose (ASW,search etc.)

AI uses them as light bombers tho which is not a good purpose

The Indian planes dito. However I remember they are only small detachements so not really effective at anything. Merde´!

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/9/2015 1:11:19 PM   
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Wirraways were also used as artillery spotters later in war, since they could carry 2 guys (pilot and observer) and could fly slow & low.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/9/2015 7:01:34 PM   
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ASW and NavS early, Later, I see what developes....GP

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 8/15/2015 7:43:52 AM   
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One good thing about Wirraways on ASW Patrol is their reliability. With their durability <30 and service rating 1, the aircraft are repaired overnight. So if you leave four Wirraways on ASW on day 1, you will still have four Wirraways flying ASW on day 30. Set and forget.

This also means that the pilots accumulate experience faster, as more planes are available daily for ASW mission.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 3/3/2016 7:03:33 PM   
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I have one crazy idea for Wirraways' use.

At start, Wirraways are the single most produced Allied bombers (16 per month) with plenty of dedicated groups present. Warhawk is the most produced Allied fighter (35 per month). So you could theoretically wage an attritional air warfare from Port Moresby using those two aircraft types starting January 1942. Warhawks escort Wirrawys raid (30-40 aircraft) and attack enemy ports/units in 5 hex diameter (Buna, Milne Bay). If you look at their cruise speeds they fit into 20% speed difference recommended by the devs (Warhawk's 190 mph and Wirraway's 155mph). It is a poor man's attritional war but it may work.

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RE: How to use Wirraways - 3/3/2016 7:11:03 PM   
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Problem is you will be making a scary number of Japanese "aces"
he will just need to send his 50s experience pilots and in a few weeks they will all be over 70

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