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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/15/2015 8:58:55 PM   
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In Beijing Air Expo, AVIC revealed spec fo FC-31 fighter:
2X turbofan with max thrust at 88.29kN
4X internal hardpoints and 6 external hardpoints
length 16.8m
width 11.5m
height 4.8m
max liftoff weight 25t
normal liftoff weight 17.5t
max speed M1.8
Flight ceiling 16km
internal fuel combat radius 1200km
take off distance 400m
landing distance 600m
max load 8t
service life 6000-8000hr/ 30year

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/16/2015 4:14:50 AM   
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Sounds like a stealth strike fighter to me.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/16/2015 4:23:01 AM   
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Sounds like a stealth strike fighter to me.

Without J (Joint, or 'Jian' for Chinese fighter's name, since it is for export), for sure.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/16/2015 12:31:29 PM   
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Recent rumor says that the new generation PL-15 long range AAM has been successfully test-fired from an J-16 fighter jet.
Hope that we will get some official stats soon.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/16/2015 2:08:43 PM   
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I realized I am a big fool that believe stainless-steel hull can resist corrosion from sea water. And kept that way until I read this news.

I knew new materials can improve the ship hull not just keep away from being rusty, but also can improve its cruising performance. Yet, the copper-bottom kind is totally unheard for me:

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http://www.scmp.com/tech/science-research/article/1858075/eighteenth-century-style-copper-bottomed-warships-may-be

Eighteenth century-style 'copper-bottomed' warships may be the future of China's navy

New bacteria-fighting solution could save navy billions of yuan and lead to stronger, faster ships

A ground-breaking new innovation in steel production by Chinese scientists may help the country's future warships and submarines move fast and last longer than their foreign counterparts.

The new technology could also save hundreds of billions of yuan in damage and corrosion that stainless steel typically underwent when exposed to seawater, according to researchers from the Chinese Academy of Sciences' Institute of Metal Research in Shenyang, Liaoning province.

Though still undergoing testing, the special material can be applied to critical components such as joints and shafts, where the traditional practice of coating with anti-corrosion materials is difficult or impossible, thus significantly increasing the performance and durability of a vessel, the scientists said.

At present, bacteria are far more dangerous to Chinese warships than enemy navies.

One strain, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, is found throughout the world's oceans and has a special predilection for steel. Even duplex stainless steel, one of the hardest and most corrosion resistant materials used in the industry, can lose up to 40 millimetres per year to the merciless chewing of the bacteria.

The weight and drag caused by bacteria living on the surface of ships can also affect speed and manoeuvrability, the researchers said. They estimated that more than a third of fuel consumed by Chinese ships was wasted compensating for extra drag caused by bio-corrosion.

While the People's Liberation Army Navy does not disclose data on how serious the problem is to its fleets, the US spends upwards of US$23 billion on the issue every year.

In 2011, the USS Independence aircraft carrier was returned to dry-dock after less than a year in service due to severe corrosion found on steel components around its engines.

For its new material, the Chinese team, led by professor Yang Ke, reached back into history.

The British royal navy once covered the bottoms of its wooden ships with copper to prevent hulls from rotting, a crucial technology that helped the UK achieve maritime dominance in the late 18th century.

But as ships began to be built from metal, copper was forsaken due to the weight it would add to already heavy iron or steel hulls, as well as concerns over cost and durability.

Yang's team sought to combine copper with the widely used duplex stainless steel. The effort took more than a decade, but they were eventually able to find the right formulation to maximise copper's anti-bacterial effects without sacrificing the steel's strength.

To test the new material, the scientists cultured P. aeruginosa on it. The copper-steel amalgam killed nearly 97 per cent of the bacteria in a week, preventing corrosion and "effectively eradicating the biofilm", according to the team's paper in the journal Biofouling.

The new material could be a breakthrough in helping China become a new sea power, said Huang Weiping, a marine engineering professor with the Ocean University of China who was not involved in the research.

"Most protective coatings need to be re-applied every few years. For underwater projects, repeated coatings cannot be applied because it is impossible to do the job in water," he said.

The new steel has to be cheap for it to be widely adopted. Similar germ killing products have been developed for medical use but would be far too expensive for use in ship making.

Even using the material on only a few sensitive components could increase a ship's performance and durability dramatically, however.

"The life span of a ship or building is not determined by the strongest parts, but the weakest," Huang said.

But "the material must be tested in a real environment. The result in practice may not turn out as good as in the lab.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/16/2015 3:21:44 PM   
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Color me skeptical...but worked in the materials manufacturing world for 12 years and this is the key part...

"the material must be tested in a real environment. The result in practice may not turn out as good as in the lab."

Long-term exposure to sea water is the ultimate materials test. You can't simulate the variability in sea water over years in a lab. Hundreds of attempts have been made over the last 100 years. Not saying it can't happen, but in a closed country like China, if this was such a huge breakthrough, there wouldn't be a big press release about it.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/16/2015 4:41:24 PM   
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So it's being late. But hey, they cannot ask for other alternative if military-grade ship hulls is nowhere as easily made as pot metals for silverwares.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/17/2015 2:05:01 AM   
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Extended range MQ-9
http://media.ga.com/2015/09/15/u-s-air-force-fields-mq-9-reaper-extended-range/
More starstreak SAM for Thai army
https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/press-release/royal-thai-army-places-additional-order-starstreak-air-defence-missile

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/17/2015 1:10:29 PM   
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In 2011, the USS Independence aircraft carrier was returned to dry-dock after less than a year in service due to severe corrosion found on steel components around its engines.
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USS Independence aircraft carrier? I suppose technically LCS-2 does have a big flight deck.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/17/2015 1:16:36 PM   
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SCMP is not famous of military news report, even they are increasingly reporting military news under Chinese military development in recent years.

In irony, it is the best English news agency in Hong Kong, and confirmed still under British influence to report controversial news regarding to China, but it's getting sub-standard that typo can happens as well.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/17/2015 2:11:42 PM   
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Even if this is an important piece of news by itself for the USAF, I'm surprised by the US' first open acknowledgement of the PL-15 long range AAM. This could really confirm that the designation is legit.
And it looks like that they believe that the PL-15's range and capability warrants a weapon beyond the AIM-120D, and a system aimed at destroying aviation electronics... I wonder if the USAF will release their estimates about the PL-15, since the Chinese sources merely say that this missile had "more than 100km range" and is roughly comparable with the AIM-120D in capability (rumoured dual-pulse engine, AESA seeker etc.).

Guess that the recent rumored live-fire test of the PL-15 and PL-10 off a J-16 and J-10C (J-10B block II) is just the beginning in a string of new revelations to come in the next few weeks.


https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-seeks-interim-champ-longer-range-air-to-air-416828/

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USAF seeks ‘interim’ CHAMP, longer-range air-to-air missiles

16 SEPTEMBER, 2015 BY: JAMES DREW WASHINGTON DC

The US Air Force plans to introduce Boeing and Raytheon’s “CHAMP” high-power-microwave emitting cruise missile into the combat force on board the 1990s conventional air-launched cruise missile as an “interim capability” while the technology transitions to Lockheed Martin’s JASSM-ER.

Air Combat Command chief Gen Hawk Carlisle says the computer-killing capability, which knocks out electronic equipment with bursts of high-frequency electromagnetic energy, is a “great capability” that will be fielded in small numbers initially with US Global Strike Command – the air force’s nuclear combat force.

“We’ve talked about the transition of that capability for Global Strike Command, but that will probably be small numbers because what we really want to do is get CHAMP into next-generation missiles, so JASSM-ER,” Carlisle said at an Air Force Association event in Washington.

“[Global Strike commander Gen Robin Rand] and I are talking about how to transition some number, an interim capability that’s on the current [CALCM] system and then how do we move to even an improved capability into the next generation air-to-surface cruise missiles we’re producing today.”

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The weapon has been in development with the Air Force Research Laboratory since 2009 and was successfully demonstrated at a test range in Utah in 2012. The technology has been deemed ready for development and fielding, and is already being improved and adapted to new platforms such as the JASSM-ER and possibly even reusable unmanned aircraft.

AFRL has been pursuing the Counter-electronics High Power Microwave Advanced Missile Project (CHAMP) as a niche capability that is difficult and expensive to harden against.

In terms of air superiority weapons, Carlisle says the development of next-generation air-to-air missiles is also “an exceptionally high priority”.

Raytheon’s AMRAAM is the current go-to Western weapon for beyond-visual-range air combat, but new long-range missiles being fielded by Russia and China are a significant concern to the Pentagon.

Carlisle says outmatching the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missile in particular is an “exceedingly high priority”.

“The PL-15 and the range of that missile, we’ve got to be able to out-stick that missile,” he says.


The air force is currently exploring a range of next-generation weapon concepts as it also pursues a sixth-generation fighter aircraft.



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/17/2015 3:04:59 PM   
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This news doesn't give much of info for DB3000 implement yet. We got numerous rumors about the further upgrade of PL-12 (and derivatives for export), PL-21, PL-10 and now PL-15??

The best we can do is just copy & paste the familiar specification of AIM-120D to PL-15, but it's not making any sense since 100km (below 55nm) is still shorter range than AIM-120D. Presuming Carlisle's "we’ve got to be" means they already have superior AMRAAM in their arsenal, so mentioning PL-15 is more likely for phishing some Chinese readers' attention.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/17/2015 6:20:03 PM   
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This news doesn't give much of info for DB3000 implement yet. We got numerous rumors about the further upgrade of PL-12 (and derivatives for export), PL-21, PL-10 and now PL-15??

The best we can do is just copy & paste the familiar specification of AIM-120D to PL-15, but it's not making any sense since 100km (below 55nm) is still shorter range than AIM-120D. Presuming Carlisle's "we’ve got to be" means they already have superior AMRAAM in their arsenal, so mentioning PL-15 is more likely for phishing some Chinese readers' attention.



Of course, we still dont know enough about Chinese AAMs in general, and it isnt enough for a DB inclusion.
Just posting an interesting piece of information, which at least confirms (more or less) that the PL-15 designation is real (or at least the USAF believes so).

In general, there is quite a bit of confusion about Chinese AAM designation with the PL-12 series. According to the newest sources, PL-12B became the standard PL-12 in service now, and the PL-12C (with foldable tailfins etc.) is no more, but actually pushed to being the next generation AAM called PL-15, with more internal and external changes aside of the fins. The ramjet-powered PL-12D, with the belly intake, has been designated PL-13.

The silent change in designations make it even harder to follow the development of these AAMs.


EDIT: Digging around more for Gen. Carlisle and his comments on the PL-15, it seems that he has already mentioned that missile earlier:

http://insidedefense.com/inside-air-force/gen-welsh-reviving-spirit-systems-command-air-dominance
Reposted on:
http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=27173

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Speaking at a Feb. 12 media roundtable during the conference, Gen. Herbert Carlisle said Air Dominance 2030 supplants talk of a single sixth-generation F-X or F/A-XX to instead focus on multi-domain capabilities. He pointed to air, space and cyber capabilities as well as new munition loadouts.
"With the F-22 and F-35, two fantastic airplanes, air dominance in that [2030] time frame may not solely be an aircraft; it's the family-of-systems discussion," Carlisle said. "Stealth is wonderful, but you need to have more than stealth. Speed and maneuverability, sensor fusion, staying inside the decision OODA loop -- there's a portion of stealth that is hugely important and is part of it, but it's certainly not the only thing."
The general said long-range standoff munitions and even new air-to-air missiles to replace the AIM-120D AMRAAM and AIM-9X Sidewinder would be included in the air superiority discussion.
He said the capabilities being developed by America's potential adversaries, such as the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missile, are "incredible."
"I believe if we look at this as we have in the past, we can figure out how to change the game and be better at it," Carlisle said, adding that high-powered lasers and microwave weapons are technical areas showing great promise.


Interesting that he mentions that the PL-15 requires the USAF to "replace the AIM-120D and AIM-9X" alltogether. Hyperbole? Or is this really an indication that the PL-15 is better/different than previously expected. I wouldnt believe that a mere Sino-AIM-120D warrants such attention and drastic changes.

Maybe the PL-15 is the ramjet powered missile previously known as PL-12D/21 after all... This would at least make sense, if we believe the rumors that the PL-15 was first tested this september. The folding fin missile we assumed to be the PL-15 (aka PL-12C) was seen flying around on J-11Bs and the J-20 since at least 2011. Tad a bit late for the first life-fire test, I think.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/18/2015 12:59:03 AM   
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Ramjet AAM? What it is gonna face with? SR-72? X-37B? HTV? Minuteman?

I might be not searching too hard in Chinese military forums and websites, and also consider the past of "massive rumors" about Chinese ASAT/ABM tests in few years ago to believe it would use Ramjet missile to hit them. But I must admit, both China and US are having lots of missile experiments that we hardly guess what they end up with. Replacing AIM-120 and AIM-9 is expectable, but as soon as think they are already obsolete even before the deployment??

If CMANO really give us PL-15, or whatever the name of AIM-54 in steroid for the US, it will be a severely interesting air combat.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/18/2015 1:10:10 AM   
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Ramjet AAM? What it is gonna face with? SR-72? X-37B? HTV? Minuteman?

I might be not searching too hard in Chinese military forums and websites, and also consider the past of "massive rumors" about Chinese ASAT/ABM tests in few years ago to believe it would use Ramjet missile to hit them. But I must admit, both China and US are having lots of missile experiments that we hardly guess what they end up with. Replacing AIM-120 and AIM-9 is expectable, but as soon as think they are already obsolete even before the deployment??

If CMANO really give us PL-15, or whatever the name of AIM-54 in steroid for the US, it will be a severely interesting air combat.



Still too soon for CMANO inclusion IMHO. Still need more data.

But as of now, the rumors correlate with the PL-21, a Sino-Meteor of some sort, which is also ramjet powered. In fact, a ground launched test (with booster stage) has been reported and accompanied with the alleged photo since 2010 IIRC.



And the likely targets? Well, AWACS, Tankers, Bombers and Fighters. The whole range of targets usually engaged by AAMs. Just like the Meteor, at longer ranges than traditional BVRAAMs.

Anyway, this bit of news (from the USAF General's mouth) is certainly one of the clearest indications that this often reported/rumored missile programme is at least going somewhere.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/19/2015 7:12:37 AM   
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Code '2016' of the J-20 prototype was flown 2 days ago.

Notice the different shape of DSI as well as the matching paint from radome; some suggested new sensors was installed behind those bulges:


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/19/2015 12:12:23 PM   
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Additional RAM-coating on the inlet edge as well.
Anyway, looks like the DSI-bump is made of a dielectric material now. We have seen a similiar, bulge-shaped aperture on the Tu-204C Radar-testbed for the J-20 as well some month before, and speculated whether this might be a side-scanning radar or some larger/more powerful ECM system.

This is the 7th prototype of the J-20, btw.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/21/2015 12:38:24 PM   
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Seriously; what I would give to know what Gen. Carlisle knows about that missile...

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http://alert5.com/2015/09/20/carlisle-reiterates-on-need-to-counter-the-range-chinese-pl-15-bvraam/

Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies on Sept. 15, ACC cheif Gen. Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle reiterated the threat of the Chinese PL-15 beyond visual range air-to-air missile.

Fast forward the video to the 16:00 mark on his comments on the PL-15.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=955&v=bgooB13PJIg

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/22/2015 8:00:33 PM   
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http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2015/09/21/norway-australia-team-to-develop-missile-for-f-35/72590888/

Norway and Australia plan to add a RF seeker on the JSM in addition to the imaging infrared. Seems like this could be a good SEAD/ASW weapon. Still passive, but with RF homing?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/23/2015 12:46:27 AM   
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http://m.scmp.com/tech/science-research/article/1860336/chinese-military-could-soon-disable-sensors-enemy-missiles
http://www.ibtimes.com/chinese-military-developing-portable-lasers-enemy-missiles-satellites-could-be-2108797

Usually the chain effect from SCMP's Chinese military and technology reports aren't as big as it should be, but today this piece of news shows very different outcome.

The news is about a miniature laser weapon to jam IR missiles, which is ultra light that even a single man can carry it:

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While researchers developed various ways of making high frequency laser beams, such as using purified gas or multiple crystals, they all required the device to be set up in a large room with delicate components that are vulnerable to external disturbances such as shaking.

Li's team claim to have solved this problem. They developed a special crystal with lithium and niobium that can convert a normal laser beam into high frequency waves as short as 350 nanometres, or three times faster than the ultrafast system in use today.


If that is true. That would be explainable the so-called laser weapons are actually not just a turret itself, but a massive chemical-optical amplifier underneath it, even for just to fry toy drones in 5 kilometers (as Chinese have it too):



Extra info, such kind of special crystal is also in application for telecommunications:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_niobate

But something amiss, how IR-Jamming laser can be converted into a waveband without changing its own frequency? Since both infrared and radio wave are totally different frequency already, unless Chinese discovered IR-wave which is suppose to be the pseudoscience?

Nobody knows, but a miniature laser projector with massive energy is still an important piece of technology in the future.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/23/2015 5:53:14 AM   
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Seriously; what I would give to know what Gen. Carlisle knows about that missile...


Nothing. But that doesn't mean the general is trying to play fool for himself. He surely have reason to raise concern (and attention to increase budget from congress for their next-gen BVRs) about PL-15.

And now I finally have little clue what PL-15 might be:
http://www.popsci.com/chinese-air-to-air-missile-hits-targets-spooks-usaf-general

A 0.2m diameter of kinetic-kill BVR missile ranged between 150-200km in guess estimate, that is no doubt a longer range than AIM-120D, and 2/3 range of the retired Phoenix. However, it can be a totally different animal since it is a kinetic missile, rather than HE warhead used by both AIM-120 and PL-12 series.

The "concern" that general raised isn't just by its estimated superior range, but the absence of explosive warhead makes it both lighter and pack more fuel. The Hard-kill capability already demonstrated since the reported news of HQ-16, which is directly went through the target drone without explode itself.

If such of estimation is true, then you may expect the US is playing the bigger game in return.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/23/2015 11:35:51 AM   
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Official: France Announce Egypt Will Acquire the 2 Mistral Class LHDs Originally Intended for Russia
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The French presidency just announced that Egypt will acquire the two Mistral LHDs originally intended for Russia. "President of the French Republic met with the President Abdel Fattah Al Sissi. They agreed on the principle and terms of the purchase by Egypt of two Mistral class amphibious vessels" according to the official statement of the French presidency.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3114

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/23/2015 1:28:02 PM   
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Seriously; what I would give to know what Gen. Carlisle knows about that missile...


Nothing. But that doesn't mean the general is trying to play fool for himself. He surely have reason to raise concern (and attention to increase budget from congress for their next-gen BVRs) about PL-15.

And now I finally have little clue what PL-15 might be:
http://www.popsci.com/chinese-air-to-air-missile-hits-targets-spooks-usaf-general

A 0.2m diameter of kinetic-kill BVR missile ranged between 150-200km in guess estimate, that is no doubt a longer range than AIM-120D, and 2/3 range of the retired Phoenix. However, it can be a totally different animal since it is a kinetic missile, rather than HE warhead used by both AIM-120 and PL-12 series.

The "concern" that general raised isn't just by its estimated superior range, but the absence of explosive warhead makes it both lighter and pack more fuel. The Hard-kill capability already demonstrated since the reported news of HQ-16, which is directly went through the target drone without explode itself.

If such of estimation is true, then you may expect the US is playing the bigger game in return.


Very interesting. Sounds like a long-range CUDA of some sort (minus the compact size). Seems like the missile we assumed to be the PL-12C was actually the PL-15 all along. This more or less fits to the prevalent rumors of the last few years, that a "Sino-AIM120D" of some sort was developed, featuring dual-pulse engine, AESA seeker and enhanced ECCM capabilities.

This is what the usually quite reliable aggregator has to say:

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.co.za/p/missiles-iii.html

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It was reported that 607 Institute has been developing a new active radar homing AAM (dubbed PL-15?) comparable to American AIM-120D and may have evolved from the earlier PL-12C/D design. The missile was seen being tested onboard a J-11B fighter. Compared to PL-12, the missile features stabilizing fins and tailfins with reduced wingspans, suggesting its design is optimized for internal carriage by the 4th generation fighters such as J-20 and FC-31. PL-15 also features an improved guidance system (including duplex datalink and new active/passive dual mode seeker with enhanced ECCM capability). The missile is thought to have a new dual pulse rocket motor in favor of a ramjet engine, giving it not only a longer range (~200km?) but also a relatively small body size. It appears PL-15 has superseded the PL-12 series as the primary LRAAM for the 4th generation stealth fighters. The latest rumor (September 2015) claimed that PL-15 was test-fired successfully from a J-16.


The dimensions of that recent Chinese military BBS leak says:

目前国内某203mm弹径,4m长,重200kg(其中发动机140kg,其他部分60kg)的空空导弹。
采用了全球最领先的变推力(可调推力)固体燃料发动机。这种发动机,领先于单室双推力和双脉冲发动机
(美国AIM120改进型)不少。难怪美帝要追赶PL15的射程(看完本文献就知道为啥了)


203mm diameter, 4m length, 200kg weight (140kg rocket engine, 60kg is the rest).
Powered by a dual/"variable" thrust (双推力/变推力(可调推力)固体燃料发动机) , dual pulse solid-fuel rocket engine (双脉冲发动机).

That leaker proceeded to post a bunch of research papers detailing the kinematics of the variable thrust engine (and the cited dimensions are also from that paper):

http://lt.cjdby.net/thread-2076218-1-1.html
http://www.docin.com/p-111733678.html

Seems like the ramjet rumors are describing a completely different missile in development, and not the PL-15 that was recently launched from the J-16.

From the research papers, there are no indications of a ramjet engine, but indications that with certain thrust settings and an high-arc ballistic trajectory (where the missile flies to an altitude of 35km), the missile may even reach 320-400km slant range! The other infos in that research paper are really detailed and it takes quite a bit time to understand everything, but everything sounds quite incredible.

I'm no researcher, but that paper look legit and many of such revelations, such as the Wu-14 Hypersonic Glide Weapon that was tested 5 times in recent years, were first leaked via similiar research papers being made public by major leakers "suddenly discovering and reposting them on military forums"...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/23/2015 2:41:56 PM   
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Looks like Egypt buying French build warships (formerly destined for Russia) has been agreed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34335224
"President Francois Hollande and Egypt's President Abdul Fattah al-Sisi "agreed on the principle and the terms of the acquisition"




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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/24/2015 1:43:20 PM   
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The Military Balance in a Shattered Levant:
Conventional Forces, Asymmetric Warfare & the Struggle for Syria

http://csis.org/files/publication/150615_Nerguizian_Levant_Mil_Bal_Report_w_cover_v2.pdf

Some interesting reading and useful for anybody looking for current info on countries in the Eastern Med.
Interesting graphic on estimated coverage of Syrian SAM coverage (Pg 44)
The regions surface-Surface rockets/missiles (Pg 82,83,84)
Includes assessment of current Iranian Naval assets (pg 53).
WMD (Pg 99)

Perhaps some good scenario info!



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/25/2015 5:37:51 AM   
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In other Egypt defense news...

http://defense-update.com/20150924_patroller_for_egypt.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/26/2015 4:59:25 AM   
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Textron AirLand Scorpion Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=WL&v=abvvTUg7dSo#t=235

I keep hearing more about this aircraft that sounds like it could replace the A-10, through the employment of high-tech weapons. In this video they mention the G-CLAW...

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/26/2015 6:28:51 AM   
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There are two main reasons why the AF want’s to retire the A-10. Firstly, the planes are getting old and every year that they fly they require more and more expensive maintenance and hard to come by parts. Secondly, in a conflict with a peer adversary the A-10’s design role as low and slow CAS plane will no longer be survivable. (This last argument was already proven during GW1 when A-10’s where forced to fly and attack from medium altitude as they were getting shot up by Iraqi ground fire while flying low and slow).

A-10 supporters on the other hand are arguing that the A-10 is such an effective CAS asset compared to the alternatives because it has a big gun and can fly low and slow in order to spot targets better. I agree that watching A-10 ‘s making gun runs against insurgents and mud huts in Afghanistan might look and sound impressive but this is not high intensity CAS but mere low intensity anti-insurgency work. The low and slow flying part is also not really a bonus for the A-10 but is a pure necessity as the planes only caries very basic sensors and thus needs to fly low and slow in order to spot its targets and to use its raison d'etre (its gun).

As the A-10 was designed to knock out armor before the advent of PGM’s, it was built around the GAU avenger cannon and it’s cockpit was armored with a titanium bathtub as to survive the flak gun saturated 70’s and 80’s battlefields. So every times it flies these low intensity anti-insurgency missions it carries around these unnecessary legacy design features ((4,029 pounds (1828 kg) for the gun and another 1100 pounds (550 kg) for the titanium cockpit armor). Weight that in a more modern design can be used for extra weapons, fuel and sensors.

People always describe the armor and gun as essential for the work that the A-10 does, but most of the anti-insurgency work in Afghanistan and Iraq was done by F-16’s and I never heard anybody complaining about their anti-insurgency performance or that they are falling out of the skies like flies because they have no titanium cockpit armor to protect them.

Realistically, with the advent of modern sensors, cheap drones and small precision guided munitions, any advanced trainer with modern targeting and communications capacity can do this low intensity anti-insurgency work cheaper and as good as or even better than the A-10 does now. So I personally can understand why the AF wants to retire an old, expensive and inefficient legacy airplane, designed for a specific mission in the 1970’s which is no longer survivable today and instead has to be used for general missions which new or even contemporary AC like the F-16 can do cheaper and just as well or better.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/26/2015 8:03:48 PM   
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In response to to the Wild_Willie2 post about the A-10 there are good points in it,Here are my thoughts the F-16 is a Good Multirole Fighter type A/C but it only has one engine and its Gliding Characteristics are Questionable and remain as far as I know unaswered in a Real life Situation.so are the A-10"s,But only If BOTH the engines gets shot out (The Golden BB"s) or wing or other Essential part to keep it flying and in the air.There are many Pic,videos out there of A- 10"s who made it back on one engine and with pieces missing.which what may happen in the next High intensity warfare enviorment (Thats anybodies guess where that may be next) I personally would like to see them do a New Dedicated CAS Platform,Without a Pilot (and Maybe thats Coming,with all the good characteristics of the A-10 and that includes armor for the Vulnerable areas,Gun,Long Loiter,Good payload Capacity and ability to take hits,have pieces knocked off and still make it back) or put 2 engines in the F-35 for the same reason as the A-10 (Which my understanding is its not gonna happen for now.) And while A-10's were getting shot up,They were designed to Take it and they did and made it back,Same with the Su-25 Variants and I dont see the Russians doing away with the Su-25"s in spite of the fact that they got Su-34-35"s ?? in syria as well (Btw the Su-25 looks very similer to me to the Fairchild ?? A-9,loser to the A-10 in the AX Competetion) in Syria or any where else.In Fairness Nobody complained when the A-10"s showed up overhead in Iraq or Afghanistan either. And while it is getting more expensive to maintain,update and find parts for,It still maybe cheaper than some Alternatives, its loiter capabilities are Satifactory it can carry a Boatload of Ordinance (dependent on many Factors), And when you need Low and Slow in a High CAS (Unproven),Never say Never, I used to hear the same arguments about why we didnt need a gun in the F106,-F-4 Phabulous Pantom II,all that BVR stuff was gonna make the gun obsolete ,Well looking back we know how that went. or Low CAS Intensity enviorment The A-10 has shown it can get the Job done,and the pilot has the reasonable Confidence also that he stand a fairly good chance of making it back. Can you imagine the Outcry if we lost just one New F-35 in a Low intensity or High intensity enviorment,what would the Critics say ??. (that time may come sooner than later) I would say that A-10 never did find it self fighting in the high intensity CAS Enviorment which it was designed for (Thankfully),I look at the Videos of how the Harriers did in the low intensity CAS and they took at least one loss in the Iraqi war, And I think is a far better to compare the Harrier to the F-35 than the A-10,And is the Harrier doing CAS in Afhanistan No,(not to the extent that the A-10 is,if at all,and why not ?)Probably for many reasons including Questions are being raised about the ability of the F-35.some of which I posted about in this Post. Just my Thoughts. FWIW.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 9/27/2015 3:44:22 AM   
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Beijing Air Convention displayed the most recent model of FC-31 (formerly called J-31 by rumors), notice the difference of its tail flaps:



It also displayed RD-93 (no picture), two of these for FC-31's power plants.

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