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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/18/2018 10:53:50 PM   
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Does this mean the DF-26 is a nuclear ASBM? Or are they referring to the other nuclear and conventional non-ASBM versions.


The latter. This is why Henri was quite hesitant to separate DF-26 designations. He want to name nuclear version as DF-26B. Other than that, both versions are having the same functionality, so PLARF can use DF-26 to nuke Nimitz if needed.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/19/2018 12:50:36 PM   
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Iraq now into Syria with everyone else:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20237/now-iraq-has-started-bombing-targets-in-syria-too

and just a collection of some recent videos of carrier ops inside the cockpit:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20193/this-f-a-18f-pilot-rattling-off-his-launch-checklist-will-make-you-want-to-join-the-navy

Geopolitics/China/PLA-N:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/17/one-belt-one-road-one-happy-chinese-navy/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/19/2018 1:03:40 PM   
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Iraq now into Syria with everyone else:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20237/now-iraq-has-started-bombing-targets-in-syria-too

and just a collection of some recent videos of carrier ops inside the cockpit:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/20193/this-f-a-18f-pilot-rattling-off-his-launch-checklist-will-make-you-want-to-join-the-navy


Are they using Hellfires mounted on Cessnas again?

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/20/2018 8:18:59 PM   
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Lockheed Martin to offer Japan a F-22/F-35 Hybrid if approved by the U.S. Government.
How sexy a machine (and expensive) could that be.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-defence-lockheed-exclusive/exclusive-lockheed-martin-to-propose-stealthy-hybrid-of-f-22-and-f-35-for-japan-sources-idUSKBN1HR0MM

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/21/2018 2:58:53 AM   
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I was hoping that LM will develop the heavy stealth fighter run with 2 F-135 engines. Imagine the insane amount of loadout weight with adequate thrust for Supercruise. Maybe Japan is really looking for this to enhance fast response anti-ship and anti-landing strikes.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/21/2018 6:38:26 AM   
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from Zelenodolsk shipyard annual report 2017 :

"Foreign customer 012 (Algeria)
The decision of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation of July 18, 2012 on the construction of a 22160 patrol ship with a CLUB-N strike missile system and an anti-aircraft missile system ("Palma with misile"Sosna" 2 modules) - 4 units. (1 unit construction in the Russian Federation, 3 units construction on the shipyard of a foreign customer).
Foreign customer 608 (Philippines)
Decision of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation of 18.08.2017 on the construction of a patrol ship of the project 22160 in the version similar to the ship of the #161 - 12 units.
Foreign customer 858 (Uruguay)
Decisions of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation are not present - Patrol ship of the project 22160 in a variant similar to the ship of the # 161 - 1 unit.
Foreign customer 266 (Gabon)
Decision of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation of 14.06.2017 on the construction of a patrol ship of the project 22160 in the version similar to the ship of the #161 - 1 unit.

Algerian 22160 looks really interesting 8 not container CLUB-N + 2 Palma (one for each side) + place for containers (additional CLUB-K containers/ASW sonar Vinietka + Paket-NK torpedoes/antimine complex with UUVs) and almost 9 full refueling for Ka-28, interesting what containers they plan to buy (hmm ,even in stock configuration still better than LCS, I guess?)

Philipines version not so shiny, but 12 units ? really good order

Gabon want one ship, this is good

and Uruguay want one but contract not signed

it seems good future awaits project 22160, judging by this annual report

P.S. also aparently 22160 is stealth ship :
"has been developed technology of mounting the radio-absorbing "List-50-S" plates consisting of 3 rubbered layers pressed together between them , followed by gluing on the outer surfaces of the superstructure of 4-5 stages on project 22160"


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/21/2018 12:20:59 PM   
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A sober - if not somber - analysis by the next USN Pacific Command chief.
It has portions of the written statement by the command nominee to the Senate Armed Services Committee.

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/pacom-nominee-china-military-islands-now-control-south-china-sea/

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/21/2018 5:56:37 PM   
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Some Chinese military forums suddenly circulate a rumor regarding the development of RASM -- an reentry variant of anti-ship missile. No, they're not talking about ASBM like DF-21D or DF-26.

It's a theoretical research report for weaponizing hypersonic vehicles, as US and Russia are pursuing at the same time. The difference from ASBM is not just the initial stage is much faster (around 7000m/s, nearly the LEO velocity, on par with ICBM), but also designed for one minute per launch in a single platform, which is impossible for a TEL launcher.

Also what differ from the lack of 'B' is the trajectory is not arched, because the missile altitude during the mid-stage is still within the thermosphere, around 120km or less. The deceleration to minimum 1000m/s is happened at the reentry stage, when its altitude is below 20km. What's more it is horizontally steerable in thermosphere, making it's flight pattern much more unpredictable than the traditional ballistic reentry.

Such trajectory was theorized already during the ASBM research, but only at the terminal stage is steerable, and its mid-stage is way above thermosphere like a normal ballistic missile. The RASM will have nearly the same range as ICBM, as some netizens dubbed it as "Anti-shipyard missile", because of the capability to attack surface vessels from homeland ports (unlike directly attacking the port or shipyard with very high MoA ballistic missile, it's aim for the ship only). Such attack is more likely possible because docking ships are not usually in full operation.

It's a huge doubt no matter how probable it is, but it isn't developed without a tangent -- China is heavily focusing C4ISR capability to integrate intel gathering by any mean necessary, including the increasingly deployed spy sats and ELINT sats. If RASM is developed into full fruition, it will be the weapon perfectly for preemptive strikes. And remember, it has a high rate of fire, so it is probably develop for VLS, which can also explain why PLAN would need a 850mm VLS diameter configuration.

https://lt.cjdby.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2073188 (simplified Chinese, with documents)
https://twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/987346282439208960 (notice the altitude and the launch platform)




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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/21/2018 10:36:54 PM   
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Some Chinese military forums suddenly circulate a rumor regarding the development of RASM -- an reentry variant of anti-ship missile. No, they're not talking about ASBM like DF-21D or DF-26.

It's a theoretical research report for weaponizing hypersonic vehicles, as US and Russia are pursuing at the same time. The difference from ASBM is not just the initial stage is much faster (around 7000m/s, nearly the LEO velocity, on par with ICBM), but also designed for one minute per launch in a single platform, which is impossible for a TEL launcher.

Also what differ from the lack of 'B' is the trajectory is not arched, because the missile altitude during the mid-stage is still within the thermosphere, around 120km or less. The deceleration to minimum 1000m/s is happened at the reentry stage, when its altitude is below 20km. What's more it is horizontally steerable in thermosphere, making it's flight pattern much more unpredictable than the traditional ballistic reentry.

Such trajectory was theorized already during the ASBM research, but only at the terminal stage is steerable, and its mid-stage is way above thermosphere like a normal ballistic missile. The RASM will have nearly the same range as ICBM, as some netizens dubbed it as "Anti-shipyard missile", because of the capability to attack surface vessels from homeland ports (unlike directly attacking the port or shipyard with very high MoA ballistic missile, it's aim for the ship only). Such attack is more likely possible because docking ships are not usually in full operation.

It's a huge doubt no matter how probable it is, but it isn't developed without a tangent -- China is heavily focusing C4ISR capability to integrate intel gathering by any mean necessary, including the increasingly deployed spy sats and ELINT sats. If RASM is developed into full fruition, it will be the weapon perfectly for preemptive strikes. And remember, it has a high rate of fire, so it is probably develop for VLS, which can also explain why PLAN would need a 850mm VLS diameter configuration.

https://lt.cjdby.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2073188 (simplified Chinese, with documents)
https://twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/987346282439208960 (notice the altitude and the launch platform)





Having a missile that mimics ICBM/SLBM is a good way to get nuked on accident. There is a reason the U.S.has stayed away from non nuclear ordinance.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/22/2018 5:22:47 AM   
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Having a missile that mimics ICBM/SLBM is a good way to get nuked on accident. There is a reason the U.S.has stayed away from non nuclear ordinance.


Developing a Mach 10+ missile that stays within low altitude is still far too challenging, even for the US. HGV is the current solution aimed for speed and steerable trajectory, having an ICBM range is just a bonus rather than the requirement.

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Also in DSA2018, China has unveiled the ET80 ASROC with an animation video. It can carry either ET52C or ET60 torpedo ranged in between 5-30 kilometers.

https://twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/987894940939137030

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/22/2018 11:31:29 AM   
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Yeah, suppossedly the Type 055's target weaponry is not the YJ-18 Sino-Klub, but it would be eventually equipped with the "YJ-XX" hypersonic glide anti ship missile, whose development has been completed recently. Those powerpoint slides from last year have unveiled quite a few interesting things...



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/22/2018 5:11:39 PM   
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With all these coming Chinese hypersonic weapons (DF-17, the hypersonic ASMs) I wonder if the devs will reconsider having HGVs be solely a part of the professional edition.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/23/2018 8:02:00 AM   
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Very interesting inofficial tally on Chinese submarines.

Most surprising (actually unsurprising for those who followed the rumors for some years), it seems that there are already 2 third-generation Type 095 SSNs in service by now. Of course this is all inofficial, but I wouldnt be surprised to find out these numbers confirmed by the next official US MOD release on the PLAN, as well as those subs appearing in a naval parade next year.

http://www.navalanalyses.com/2018/04/infographics-31-peoples-liberation-army.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/23/2018 1:06:25 PM   
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More analysis of the recent cruise missile strike:

https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/2018/04/20/who-learned-more-from-the-strikes-in-syria-america-or-russia/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ebb%2023.04.18&utm_term=Editorial%20-%20Early%20Bird%20Brief

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/24/2018 7:47:35 AM   
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The J-17 has been introduced into service, according to some aviation spotters in China.
https://www.weibo.com/2685677853/GdzdZbOAP?type=comment#_rnd1524555661016

The J-17, also known previously as JD-15, is the electronic warfare version of the J-15 "Flying Shark" Sea-Flanker. It is basically the carrier-borne counterpart of the land-based JD-16 Sino-Growler electronic warfare plane.


Better pictures will follow soon, but at least the tail-art is confirmed.




It is based on the J-15S tandem seat carrier fighter, but like the JD-16, it has its gun and IRST removed in favor of a different EW-optimized AESA and integrated wingtip pods.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/24/2018 12:52:35 PM   
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The J-17 has been introduced into service, according to some aviation spotters in China.
https://www.weibo.com/2685677853/GdzdZbOAP?type=comment#_rnd1524555661016

The J-17, also known previously as JD-15, is the electronic warfare version of the J-15 "Flying Shark" Sea-Flanker. It is basically the carrier-borne counterpart of the land-based JD-16 Sino-Growler electronic warfare plane.


Better pictures will follow soon, but at least the tail-art is confirmed.


Or J-15D, because of the variant dispute, there are still some PLA analysts regarding this as J-15D rather than J-17:

https://mobile.twitter.com/xinfengcao/status/988710073823195136
https://mobile.twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/988697020977168384

The naming confusion also happened to J-11D, because it's not EW variant but instead an AESA upgrade.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/24/2018 4:17:02 PM   
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Yeah, this is why I think the internal designation of the PLAAF will go with the old scheme established by such EW aircrafts like HD-5 Beagle etc.
J-11D would denote an entirely different class of machine if there was, say, a JD-11.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/25/2018 4:43:02 AM   
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More words are exchanging amid PLAN's drill and carrier passing after Xi's naval review and PLAN's 89th anniversary. ROC ignores PRC's bluster and also conducted a military drill as a response. Interestingly, even after 22 years since Taiwan Crisis, the sympathizers are still believe China will not able to invade, given the fact the amphibious expansion, air power for escorts, and much more tactical missiles being commissioned than in 1996:

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/taiwan-fights-off-chinese-invasion-085509589.html

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/25/2018 1:19:15 PM   
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Briefing of Head of the Russian General Staff’s Main Operations Department Colonel-General Sergei Rudskoi.
http://eng.mil.ru/en/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12172894@egNews

Fragments of shot downed Tomahawks:
video: https://youtu.be/m8AetEXh80s?t=380
photos: https://russian.rt.com/world/foto/506711-rakety-siriya-genshtab-foto

Some missiles malfunctioned and fell before reaching the target. One Tomahawk and one unnamed air-launched missile was delivered into Russia.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/26/2018 9:58:49 AM   
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Article discussing use or US LCS in Baltic (incl forward basing)
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018-04/your-allies-have-littorals-%E2%80%93-send-lcss



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/26/2018 11:57:38 AM   
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Non-military news -- Cotesa takeover has been approved by German government, and will be sold to the Chinese investor. Doubtlessly, the buyout is backed by Chinese government, but Cotesa could use their money for supplying more nanomaterials to Airbus and other military-related products:

https://www.ma-dialogue.de/berlin-genehmigt-cotesa-uebernahme/ (German)

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/26/2018 8:32:46 PM   
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Article discussing use or US LCS in Baltic (incl forward basing)
https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2018-04/your-allies-have-littorals-%E2%80%93-send-lcss




That isn't a bad idea, but I'd hope that some effort to make the ships value added would be undertaken at some point before forward basing them within range of Russian CDCMs. The current ASuW package is fine if you're dealing with Somali pirates (which the LCS is not doing anyways) plus the MCM and ASW modules still don't exist, and all variants are wildly outclassed by nearly every other surface combatant in the region.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/27/2018 5:42:59 AM   
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Second Type 055 Renhai-class DDG/Cruiser about to be launched. Speculated tomorrow at Shanghai Jiangnan Shipyard.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2018 5:03:57 AM   
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Anoher HGV test over Huabei

They say it is "A large attack angle lowers the trajectory + non-continuous boost gravity turn + upper level full acceleration ("Mach20)". Let's see what Washington Free Beacon will report some days later.

https://www.weibo.com/tv/v/Ge4JNg1XT?fid=1034:650124b283abdc8f1624acfa71f26215



There's actually footage of it maneuvering;



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2018 6:37:38 AM   
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Very low key (as the PLAN has forbidden official reporting on launches and commissionings), but the second Type 055 has been launched today.


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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2018 3:02:16 PM   
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Bye bye Russian stealth fighter...

http://www.janes.com/article/79457/india-withdraws-from-fgfa-project-leaving-russia-to-go-it-alone

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2018 4:51:36 PM   
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Interesting report with minimal details however. China has lasers in Djibouti:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/world-news/699102/china-united-states-air-force-pilot-djibouti-africa-france-italy-spain-ww3-north-korea

Maybe more will come out on this.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/28/2018 5:30:32 PM   
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Bye bye Russian stealth fighter...

http://www.janes.com/article/79457/india-withdraws-from-fgfa-project-leaving-russia-to-go-it-alone

AFAIK it’s complicated. India has ideas to get technologies and manufacturing line for 5-generation fighter. But now it reverts to simply buying planes, not R&D and produce.

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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/29/2018 3:18:20 AM   
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Anoher HGV test over Huabei

They say it is "A large attack angle lowers the trajectory + non-continuous boost gravity turn + upper level full acceleration ("Mach20)". Let's see what Washington Free Beacon will report some days later.


Interestingly, many comments on Reddit says it's a failed CZ-11 rocket launch, however CZ-11 was launched a day before this event happens, and commercial space launch had to be internationally reported. This presumed HGV however is not, and has a very similar trajectory called "Qian Xuesen Ballistic".

https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/8fhluc/last_night_in_northern_china_what_is_it/

EDIT: Henri said it's CZ-3B to deliver Apstar-6C satellite, and in totally different location: https://mobile.twitter.com/HenriKenhmann/status/989708211480506368

EDIT #2: The plot chickens. CAS announced it's a CZ-4B (not 3B) rocket launch to deliver YaoGan-1 satellite to LEO. However, many news does not quote what kind of satellite correctly, some said either GaoFan-5 image sat or Beidou-3 nav sat. Also there's no NOTAM warning during its launch.

This picture can prove it's not a crash, and did have the maneuver theorized on paper before:





Compare to SpaceX, which has no dip-down maneuver:



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RE: Naval and Defense News - 4/29/2018 8:44:56 AM   
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It should be a HGV. NOTAM has been declared over the area where previous HGV tests have happened. Henri K. agrees. No point of discussing that any further.

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