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[Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/18/2014 10:56:02 PM   
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Would it be possible to capture a little more detail in the losses and expenditure?
For example, indicating how each unit was destroyed?

F15-E #44 destroyed at 022:01 by AA-11 from SU27 #213.


I played a scenario recently where I am pretty sure that a certain F18 shot down 5 enemy fighters, but short of parsing the log there was no way to be sure.

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/18/2014 11:05:43 PM   
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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/19/2014 12:25:49 AM   
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Added this request to our list. Thanks guys!

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/19/2014 11:56:49 PM   
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A similar suggestion:
The Scoring box is a bit bland. it just gives the score and the one or two word assessment.
Ideas for improvement:

1. Show the scenario author's scoring breakdown:
"SCORE 200 Minor Victory
50 points for sinking Typhoon SSN
200 points for saving the White House from destruction
-50 points for saving Vice President Cheney's bunker"

2. Allow the scenario author to include images to be shown in each case. So for a Falkland scenario an RN victory would show an image of the triumphant return of the TF to Portsmouth. An Argentine victory could show the burning Sheffield, Coventry, Antelope or Ardent.

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/20/2014 12:02:26 AM   
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Added this as well. Thanks for taking the time to think about this stuff!

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/20/2014 12:40:57 AM   
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While I like the idea of expanded detail, I think it should be optional/separated from the basic losses/expenditures window. (Probably in a "detailed losses" window that is accessed separately from the basic one.)

My main reason is I'm afraid it would clutter up large scenarios. You had a gigantic battle in which you shot down fifty enemy fighters, you look at the end, and you see, instead of a neat:

10xF-16 Blk 50
20xF-7 Skybolt
Etc..

You see a long list of "F-16 downed by AA-10 Alamo from Su-30 (__), F-16 downed by AA-10 Alamo from Su-30 (_____), and it would take long to scroll down and look awkward in an AAR.

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/20/2014 2:19:12 AM   
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I agree. Just use expandable lists to allow you to click a [+] to expand the 10xF-16 Blk 50 to show the fate of each one.


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ORIGINAL: Coiler12

While I like the idea of expanded detail, I think it should be optional/separated from the basic losses/expenditures window. (Probably in a "detailed losses" window that is accessed separately from the basic one.)

My main reason is I'm afraid it would clutter up large scenarios. You had a gigantic battle in which you shot down fifty enemy fighters, you look at the end, and you see, instead of a neat:

10xF-16 Blk 50
20xF-7 Skybolt
Etc..

You see a long list of "F-16 downed by AA-10 Alamo from Su-30 (__), F-16 downed by AA-10 Alamo from Su-30 (_____), and it would take long to scroll down and look awkward in an AAR.



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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/20/2014 4:05:41 AM   
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How about a detailed AAR? it can show things like...

quote:


7 AIM-120 Amraam fired
2 hit
1 spoofed by ECM
2 spoofed by Chaff Cloud
2 evaded

5 HARM fired
3 hit
2 miss (average miss distance: 8 meters)


F/A-18 Hornet (pilot callsign) destroyed by AA-11 from SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
A-7 Corsair II (pilot callsign 2) destroyed by V-860/5V21 from SA-5 Gammon (vehicle callsing)


Nimitz (USS Ronald Reagan) Damaged (77%)
1 SS-N-22 fired by SU-33 (enemy pilot callsign)
2 FAB-500 dropped by SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)

Most AA Kills: F-14 (pilot callsign) with 3 air victories (2xSU-27, 1xMIG-31)
Most Ground Kills: SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign) with 8 units destroyed (350DP delivered)


feel free to add any suggestion :)

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/20/2014 11:33:53 AM   
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I would like to see how many people were lost. IE the total crew number.

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/20/2014 11:46:49 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: snowburn

How about a detailed AAR? it can show things like...

quote:


7 AIM-120 Amraam fired
2 hit
1 spoofed by ECM
2 spoofed by Chaff Cloud
2 evaded

5 HARM fired
3 hit
2 miss (average miss distance: 8 meters)


F/A-18 Hornet (pilot callsign) destroyed by AA-11 from SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
A-7 Corsair II (pilot callsign 2) destroyed by V-860/5V21 from SA-5 Gammon (vehicle callsing)


Nimitz (USS Ronald Reagan) Damaged (77%)
1 SS-N-22 fired by SU-33 (enemy pilot callsign)
2 FAB-500 dropped by SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)

Most AA Kills: F-14 (pilot callsign) with 3 air victories (2xSU-27, 1xMIG-31)
Most Ground Kills: SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign) with 8 units destroyed (350DP delivered)


feel free to add any suggestion :)



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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/20/2014 12:40:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MR_BURNS2


quote:

ORIGINAL: snowburn

How about a detailed AAR? it can show things like...

quote:


7 AIM-120 Amraam fired
2 hit
1 spoofed by ECM
2 spoofed by Chaff Cloud
2 evaded

5 HARM fired
3 hit
2 miss (average miss distance: 8 meters)


F/A-18 Hornet (pilot callsign) destroyed by AA-11 from SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)
A-7 Corsair II (pilot callsign 2) destroyed by V-860/5V21 from SA-5 Gammon (vehicle callsing)


Nimitz (USS Ronald Reagan) Damaged (77%)
1 SS-N-22 fired by SU-33 (enemy pilot callsign)
2 FAB-500 dropped by SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign)

Most AA Kills: F-14 (pilot callsign) with 3 air victories (2xSU-27, 1xMIG-31)
Most Ground Kills: SU-27 (enemy pilot callsign) with 8 units destroyed (350DP delivered)


feel free to add any suggestion :)



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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/20/2014 2:25:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tommo8993

I would like to see how many people were lost. IE the total crew number.


+1

+ how much money was lost/spent

add a new entry to the DB for ~value in $

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/21/2014 10:33:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marder2075


quote:

ORIGINAL: tommo8993

I would like to see how many people were lost. IE the total crew number.


+1

+ how much money was lost/spent

add a new entry to the DB for ~value in $


Value in $ would be nice... I sometimes google the price of munitions versus the price of their intended target. Strike planners would, I imagine, be encouraged to keep the cost of the operation to a minimum where possible.

Crew numbers would also add another dimension of 'cost' to the battle result.

Interesting ideas!

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RE: [Suggestion] More detail on losses? - 12/22/2014 10:08:01 PM   
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Who killed what would be nice.

Like USS XXX: kills: 1 x Foxtrot SS; 2 x IL-28. Sunk by SS-N-3 fired by Echo II SSGN "Sevastopol"

Maybe a simple Losses/Expenditures screen (as it is now) with a secondary "details" screen?

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