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Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/15/2014 8:07:35 PM   
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Just curious. Is there anyway to practically defeat a wire guided missile by other means than maneuver or killing the operator before the missile hits? Have there been attempts to blind the operator or somehow spoof the video feed etc.?

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/18/2014 7:13:19 PM   
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i dont know...... interesting....

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/19/2014 12:39:08 PM   
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You can try to cut the wire?



Nope, as far as I know pretty much foolproof. The only thing I can think of that might be possible is blinding the operator/visual-system with lasers. But I doubt how practical that is in real life.

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/19/2014 1:08:37 PM   
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In real life one tactic to disrupt visually guided missiles is using smoke screen between the operator and the target to obscure the aiming and immediate suppresion of the operator by direct or indirect fire to disrupt aiming.

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/19/2014 6:27:42 PM   
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I am pretty sure 99% of wire guided missiles are shot from thermal imaging systems.

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/19/2014 7:11:47 PM   
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There are various forms of thermal defeating (particulate) smoke which can neutralize some TI sites, sometimes. However, the best way to defeat a wire guided system is to fire a 120mm APFSDS directly at the launcher, the time of flight is much faster and in any case, it may diminish the launcher's moral . Once you know where the launcher is - indirect fire is usually quite bad for the missile systems an hard on the operators’ complexion.

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/20/2014 2:40:27 AM   
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It depends on what sort of wire guidance your missile has.

If it's a MACLOS (Manual Command Line of Sight) system, where the operator visually identifies the position of the missile and manually flies it towards the target, then there is little that can be done other than shrouding the target in smoke, or relying on optical dazzlers to blind the operator. These dazzlers are typically laser systems, such as the cancelled American Stingray, which was mounted on a Bradley, or the dazzler mounted on some recent Chinese tanks. If the operator is using magnifying optics then they would be more vulnerable to these systems than an operator using the naked eye. However, since the laser systems generally project a relatively small beam, it is important for the targeted vehicle to identify the exact location of the missile operator in order to illuminate him.

If it's a SACLOS (Semi-Automatic Command Line of Sight) system then there are more options. Smoke and optical dazzlers would still work to defeat the operator, but there are also ways to jam the tracking system. Most SACLOS systems use a set of optics on the missile launcher to track some sort of flare on the rear end of the missile. If the tracker cannot properly identify the missile's flare then it will send wrong guidance commands, causing the missile to miss. Powerful modulated infra-red sources (such as the Russian Shtora, or equivalent Chinese or Western systems) or decoy flares (such as available for the French Galix system) have been fielded in order to 'fake out' the tracker on the anti-tank missile launcher. This type of jamming is easier to apply than dazzlers, because the defender does not need to find the exact location of the shooter. So long as the jammer is in the field of view of the tracker on the missile launcher it should be effective. Later SACLOS ATGMs started using more sophisticated systems with special coded strobes in order to help the tracker distinguish the missile flare from false targets and interference generated by these systems.

If it's an imaging system, where the wire guidance is usually a fibre optic link transmitting a video image from the nose of the missile, then that sort of jammer will not work, although IR smoke and dazzlers directed at the missile might do the trick.

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/22/2014 4:58:56 PM   
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Seems like if you can identify the shooter than a bright laser aimed right at them will blind them. Systems that than then home in on adversary laser emissions would be the counter to the counter.

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 11/23/2014 9:11:37 PM   
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Fantastic information. The knowledge in these forums never ceases to amaze me.

Thank you.

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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 12/6/2014 11:53:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AndrewJ
It depends on what sort of wire guidance your missile has.
If it's a MACLOS (Manual Command Line of Sight) system, where the operator visually identifies the position of the missile and manually flies it towards the target, then there is little that can be done other than shrouding the target in smoke, or relying on optical dazzlers to blind the operator. These dazzlers are typically laser systems, such as the cancelled American Stingray, which was mounted on a Bradley, or the dazzler mounted on some recent Chinese tanks. If the operator is using magnifying optics then they would be more vulnerable to these systems than an operator using the naked eye. However, since the laser systems generally project a relatively small beam, it is important for the targeted vehicle to identify the exact location of the missile operator in order to illuminate him.
If it's a SACLOS (Semi-Automatic Command Line of Sight) system then there are more options. Smoke and optical dazzlers would still work to defeat the operator, but there are also ways to jam the tracking system. Most SACLOS systems use a set of optics on the missile launcher to track some sort of flare on the rear end of the missile. If the tracker cannot properly identify the missile's flare then it will send wrong guidance commands, causing the missile to miss. Powerful modulated infra-red sources (such as the Russian Shtora, or equivalent Chinese or Western systems) or decoy flares (such as available for the French Galix system) have been fielded in order to 'fake out' the tracker on the anti-tank missile launcher. This type of jamming is easier to apply than dazzlers, because the defender does not need to find the exact location of the shooter. So long as the jammer is in the field of view of the tracker on the missile launcher it should be effective. Later SACLOS ATGMs started using more sophisticated systems with special coded strobes in order to help the tracker distinguish the missile flare from false targets and interference generated by these systems.
If it's an imaging system, where the wire guidance is usually a fibre optic link transmitting a video image from the nose of the missile, then that sort of jammer will not work, although IR smoke and dazzlers directed at the missile might do the trick.

I am new to this game; is it possible to utilize these systems in the game?


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RE: Anyway to defeat a Visual Guidance System - 12/7/2014 12:23:13 AM   
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One more caveat, the missile is guided only for the first 300 ft or so then it is fire - wire and forget. The wire guidance just gets it going in the right direction until the internal video system picks up the image it zeros in on.

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