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Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 4:45:56 PM   
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Apparently 52% of all gamers are now female. What is the demography for Matrix gamers? After reading the Australian beauties' posts I assume 100% male?
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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 4:48:03 PM   
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then you would be wrong

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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 5:14:45 PM   
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That might be true if you consider candy crush and bubble pop in the figures. Not exactly what I would consider traditional gamers although those are indeed games. If you broke it down I'd say about 10% would be console and even less PC gamers. Mostly this is being pushed by the sjw to have them change the way RPGs and fps are being made.



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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 5:17:52 PM   
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It's definitely a sausagefest. If you're looking for a female date, you're probably not going to have much success here.

Want a girl that can finish that full campaign game of WitE:AE MP with you? Come on over to e-Matrix when you're looking for that special someone.


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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 6:05:09 PM   
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There are a number of highly active female posters on the forums, but it is probably fair to say that our games tend to be mostly played by men. In the broader gaming world more women are playing more games, which is great. You only have to look at the Bioware RPGs to see how engaged your female players will be if you can genuinely play from alternate perspectives. I think it is definitely true (across the broader gaming market) that 'if you build it they will come'. Casual gaming too of course, though I think it is reductive to say that women only play casual games.

That said, for the core wargaming it's a little different. Iain gave a good answer during the stream we did from the last event on our games specifically. Subject matter definitely affects cross-gender appeal.

Also: let's avoid toxic terms like SJW etc. I want to avoid the kinds of hysterical (see what I did there) escalation that you can easily find out there on some elements of this issue.

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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 7:34:53 PM   
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SJW is a toxic term? Even if they consider themselves such and are an intregal part of the discussion as it pertains to females in the gaming circles?

Well let's call them briga frot dilliums. The actions of the briga frot dilliums are well documented and especially with the release of new info coming forward. Somehow the bfd's think that if games are made that are not of their vision it somehow excludes others from making games that do attract females. I'm all for anyone playing games, but a campaign to have other titles changed is selfish and artificial. It affects what I like. Is there any corner of the world that the bfd's don't infiltrate into and try to impose their views of limited freedom?

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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 7:47:03 PM   
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To add it would be like a group of men demanding that the image Lifetime Chanel portrays of men is disparaging to men in general and that they demand that all movies show men in a positive manner and of their vision of how a man should act.



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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 7:53:40 PM   
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It is a toxic term in that it is used to dismiss whole areas of discussion, and that is not useful. I'm confused by the idea that someone asking that a game be changed to something they would prefer is selfish. The idea that "they're coming to take our games!!1!!11" is just internet conspiracy run amok. Let's keep this thread about specific ideas, and avoid broad brush social or political commentary.

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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 7:54:04 PM   
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What does SJW mean? Or should I want to know? Maybe I should just leave it at that. 

EDIT: (Cross post) Never mind please don't tell me... I don't want to know.

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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 7:59:02 PM   
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BTW, welcome back to the "general discussion" forums Missouri Rebel, I haven't seen you in a while. I guess I should say that too.

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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 8:28:59 PM   
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Sorry for starting this one, I was only trying to find a girlfriend. Just joking as am spoken for. Anyway more females gaming is a positive step forward.

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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 8:31:40 PM   
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Thank you Gary. Yeah I tend to stay away especially considering that almost every subject outside the same stuff is controversial here. And because controversies involve two sides it helps to keep one of the sides quiet to avoid the perceived 'controversy'. Such is the way. Anything different must be considered internet conspiracy run amok, despite evidence to the contrary.

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I'm confused by the idea that someone asking that a game be changed to something they would prefer is selfish.


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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 8:36:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mick M

Sorry for starting this one, I was only trying to find a girlfriend. Just joking as am spoken for. Anyway more females gaming is a positive step forward.



No apologies needed. Not too many play war games. I can think of Rhonda but I'm not sure she's looking for a boyfriend. Lol

I'm all for including women in whatever they choose to do. Heck, my mother is a woman as is my wife and daughters. Even though they enjoy things like fishing atv riding shooting firearms etc. war games have never been their forte.

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RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 8:44:03 PM   
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That I know of, at least three^H^H^H^Hwo women war gamers who frequent the Matrix Forum:

  • rhondabrwn
  • [stricken from the list]
  • Graf Zeppelin [WITP:AE]

    I'm sure there are others.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 8:51:25 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

    What does SJW mean? Or should I want to know? Maybe I should just leave it at that. 

    EDIT: (Cross post) Never mind please don't tell me... I don't want to know.


    I had to google it,

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    SJW

    Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

    The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 8:57:36 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Qwixt


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

    What does SJW mean? Or should I want to know? Maybe I should just leave it at that. 

    EDIT: (Cross post) Never mind please don't tell me... I don't want to know.


    I had to google it,

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    SJW

    Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

    The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.



    I'd say that that definition is wrong concerning all because many bfd's behave in a civil manner and are not hypocrites. They may still be wrong, but being a self described bfd doesn't mean they engage in those tactics. And unlike most bfd's I've come across, I'm open to hearing arguments to the contrary. Something about having ideas fought out on the battlefield of open exchange that I enjoy.


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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 9:05:13 PM   
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    It's definitely a sausagefest. If you're looking for a female date, you're probably not going to have much success here.

    Want a girl that can finish that full campaign game of WitE:AE MP with you? Come on over to e-Matrix when you're looking for that special someone.


    I'm not sure that would be such a good idea. Can you imagine dinner?

    'Honey, are there any more cresent rolls left'

    'No. They're gone just like your bases around the Solomon's you loser!'

    Sigh!

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 9:16:49 PM   
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    With all that grandstanding above I still respect Matrix games and what they do. I'm a regular customer of theirs even if I don't post much anymore.

    Also Mick. It might be useful if you post a source with those stats.

    Edit: I meant my grandstanding just to be clear.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 9:22:06 PM   
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    Thank you Gary. Yeah I tend to stay away especially considering that almost every subject outside the same stuff is controversial here. And because controversies involve two sides it helps to keep one of the sides quiet to avoid the perceived 'controversy'. Such is the way. Anything different must be considered internet conspiracy run amok, despite evidence to the contrary.

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    I'm confused by the idea that someone asking that a game be changed to something they would prefer is selfish.


    See post 6

    If I wanted to silence anyone I would have just locked the thread Always happy to see assertions backed up with evidence. That said, #6 is a hypothetical. There may well be people demanding that all games be entirely inclusive irrespecitve of context, but nobody is taking them seriously. CoD is a $B franchise - nobody is going to mess with the formula. On the other end of the scale, Bioware as I said has been aggressively inclusive for more than a decade without affecting the quality of the games at all. Like so many things these days this is a pretty sedate issue hijacked by a tiny minority at the extremes.

    The wider internet 'debate' on this is packed with literal conspiracy theories as well as the kind of bile which thankfully we seldom see on these forums. I just want to keep the level of discourse here to its usual level.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 9:32:21 PM   
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    quote:

    ORIGINAL: PipFromSlitherine


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

    Thank you Gary. Yeah I tend to stay away especially considering that almost every subject outside the same stuff is controversial here. And because controversies involve two sides it helps to keep one of the sides quiet to avoid the perceived 'controversy'. Such is the way. Anything different must be considered internet conspiracy run amok, despite evidence to the contrary.

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    I'm confused by the idea that someone asking that a game be changed to something they would prefer is selfish.


    See post 6

    If I wanted to silence anyone I would have just locked the thread Always happy to see assertions backed up with evidence. That said, #6 is a hypothetical. There may well be people demanding that all games be entirely inclusive irrespecitve of context, but nobody is taking them seriously. CoD is a $B franchise - nobody is going to mess with the formula. On the other end of the scale, Bioware as I said has been aggressively inclusive for more than a decade without affecting the quality of the games at all. Like so many things these days this is a pretty sedate issue hijacked by a tiny minority at the extremes.

    The wider internet 'debate' on this is packed with literal conspiracy theories as well as the kind of bile which thankfully we seldom see on these forums. I just want to keep the level of discourse here to its usual level.

    Cheers

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    A very reasoned and factual reply. Bioshock is a great example and one where my daughter and wife enjoyed very much, as did I. I'll agree there are extremists on both sides.


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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 9:43:23 PM   
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    EDIT: Sorry, wrong thread...

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 10:01:54 PM   
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    Unable to post links for 7 days for some reason. Anyway it was in the British newspapers this week. Search in the Guardian and '52% of gamers are female' and you'll find the source.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 10:08:44 PM   
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    I take that back. This is the right thread for me. What are you talking about Missouri Rebel? Extremists on both side of what? Is there a spectrum of gamers or something? Or are we no longer talking about the gaming industry? All I see here are a bunch of people interested in some of the games offered by Matrix and Slitherine who are discussing things. Now we are talking about some sort of exclusion? Maybe I'm misunderstanding but I would think the fact that you are here in the forums is a pretty good indicator that  you aren't being excluded. On the other hand it does concern me a little that I have not noticed Mr. Rutins posting lately and Pipfromslitherine instead. Are the regular Matrix crew on a well deserved vacation? I'm a little concerned here.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 10:13:28 PM   
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    How many of you boys enjoy cross stitching? Just curious :)

    There's nothing at all wrong with the way our wargames are made.

    But, a person has to want to play a wargame before they will play a wargame.

    Right now, most of my time is spent either kicking butt play my Warlock Zoo deck (I win 4 out of 5 games at Rank 16), or I'm playing a tower defense type game of some sort on a tablet. But I love gem games too.

    And my local buddy that I play Battle Academy with is likely not too happy with me. I have seriously trashed him bad in 3 maps so far. And in two of them, it almost seems like fate hates him.

    But I have never ever once played another woman a wargame. Oh well.

    I don't know any girl that isn't a gamer though. And I know of a lot of female role gamers. But, I have yet to meet any women that want to play table top miniatures.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 10:20:16 PM   
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    Never mind, I was typing Eric Rutins with a "c" on the end instead of Erik Rutins with a "k" in the "find a member" list. My bad. 

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 10:25:41 PM   
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    MrsWargamer you should PM DSWargamer..though her last post was 4 days before you joined. Still she may still be around.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 10:26:12 PM   
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    How many of you boys enjoy cross stitching? Just curious :)

    There's nothing at all wrong with the way our wargames are made.

    But, a person has to want to play a wargame before they will play a wargame.

    Right now, most of my time is spent either kicking butt play my Warlock Zoo deck (I win 4 out of 5 games at Rank 16), or I'm playing a tower defense type game of some sort on a tablet. But I love gem games too.

    And my local buddy that I play Battle Academy with is likely not too happy with me. I have seriously trashed him bad in 3 maps so far. And in two of them, it almost seems like fate hates him.

    But I have never ever once played another woman a wargame. Oh well.

    I don't know any girl that isn't a gamer though. And I know of a lot of female role gamers. But, I have yet to meet any women that want to play table top miniatures.


    Do you play The Sims too?

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/25/2014 11:37:36 PM   
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    My daughter complains a lot about the dinosaurs and neckbeards found in the male gaming community.
    She has been playing computer games of every sort since she stopped drooling on the keyboard and
    is in her mid 20's now. She regularly complains of the attitude displayed by certain of her male
    playmates and from what I have seen of it she has some justification. I never thought much of the values
    of certain gamers and do what I can to stay out of the "dinosaur" category. They abound in certain areas
    where PreCambrian conservative thinking is dominant.

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/26/2014 12:09:04 AM   
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    But I have never ever once played another woman a wargame. Oh well.



    I could help you out there, but it would have to be PBEM unless you live in NE Arizona :)

    Maybe a fast game of WiTP:AE? Somebody above wanted to see that

    Joking! Joking! I meant a slow game at Newbie levels

    Seriously... I'm very good at the HPS ACW games, especially Campaign Gettysburg, and they have a miniatures feel to them.

    Any of you guys interested? I already managed to help break up one marriage so I'll be totally non-threatening and not display the 67 year old sex kitten that hides within my psyche. Honest!

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    RE: Matrix Game Demography - 9/26/2014 12:24:06 AM   
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    I tried to teach my lady. but wargames didn 't take. Now something like Cinemaware's Three Stooges she loved.

    She loves chess. But she never beats me.

    Sometimes it just gets cold on that couch......

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