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News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 11:35:26 AM   
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http://www.panthergames.com/2014/09/panther-games-to-change-publishers.html#.VAWqyvldWtM

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 11:56:17 AM   
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I do wonder what the underlying reason is? The statement is quite vague... Not that I see any conspiracy or something, but a few more sentences woudl do only good :)

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 11:57:04 AM   
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Wow. They don't say who picked them up.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 12:08:38 PM   
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Interesting. Wonder how the last add-on pack for the 'Matrix' titles will be put out - the med pack? If it's through the new publisher that would entail an odd support situation, no?

I didn't now they did any board games.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 12:10:40 PM   
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I'm thinking the last patch episode was the straw, now I know why there has been no info forthcoming on the Med. scenario pack.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 12:25:17 PM   
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I'm thinking the last patch episode was the straw, now I know why there has been no info forthcoming on the Med. scenario pack.

Any pointers for a casual reader?

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 12:58:17 PM   
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Hi all,

I have agreed with Slitherine not to make an announcement about this matter on their forum. I am flying to North America tomorrow morning. So I will be out of touch for a day or so till I arrive in San Francisco. If you need to contact us after that check out our website for contact details.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 1:05:16 PM   
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Hope you and Joy have a great 'break' in the States, Dave. Enjoy the trip!

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 1:26:42 PM   
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Have a great trip, and enjoy some Pop Tarts while you're here! :)

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 2:15:04 PM   
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Have a great trip, and enjoy some Pop Tarts while you're here! :)

Hahaha. That's right. Dave was quite intrigued by those items at Origins a few years ago. Safe travels.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 6:11:38 PM   
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I'm looking forward to the "real" announcement.

The CO 2 plans have a delay of about a year at the moment, and I fear switching publishers might result in further delays. Again, more communication with the consumer/customer wouldn't hurt.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 10:55:16 PM   
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I hope it won't mean introduction of online DRM or stuff like that...

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/2/2014 10:58:44 PM   
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Ah, this explains why no news on the Med Pack. I am hoping that Panther Games is going with Battlefront.com, so that they an partner up on Operational - Tactical integration.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/3/2014 2:52:45 AM   
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I hope it won't mean introduction of online DRM or stuff like that...

Yikes......hope not

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/3/2014 6:54:30 AM   
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I hope they will continue supporting the Matrix versions of their products. I am not good at this game but I like it a lot and it keeps intriguing me.

Furthermore I am looking forward to see a board game developed by them. "[...] to publish both its computer and board games. [...]"



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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/3/2014 11:41:26 AM   
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Or it may be a reprint of 'Trial of Strength'

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 1:39:51 AM   
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It is a reprint of Trial Strength

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 10:03:42 AM   
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A little concerned with this news to be honest. I only recently picked the game up about a month ago and one of the reasons i picked it up instead of just waiting for Command Ops 2 was because i liked how the Dev was going to implement an upgrade system from CO1 engine and its expansions to the CO2 engine without the need to buy everything from scratch again to play on the new engine.
I hope this is still the basic "plan" as i will not be shelling out a second time for expansions i already have to play on a new CO2 game engine????

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 1:36:51 PM   
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quote:

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A little concerned with this news to be honest. I only recently picked the game up about a month ago and one of the reasons i picked it up instead of just waiting for Command Ops 2 was because i liked how the Dev was going to implement an upgrade system from CO1 engine and its expansions to the CO2 engine without the need to buy everything from scratch again to play on the new engine.
I hope this is still the basic "plan" as i will not be shelling out a second time for expansions i already have to play on a new CO2 game engine????


I'd suggest looking at the "Command Ops 2 (CO2) - The Plan" (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3310918) thread.

The discussion centered on how Panther should proceed with its development of the Command Ops 2 release and subsequent data packs.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 2:05:59 PM   
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"Command Ops 2 (CO2) - The Plan" thread a few topics above this one on the forums is what i hope the dev will continue to follow (other than time scale lol) in relation to how content you already own will be updated to work on the new CO2 engine.

His ideas for the future of CO and how to take it forward sounded good to me that is why i bought in now instead of waiting for the CO2 and the new engine.

My concern is that now with the change in Publishers that the Matrix content i now own will not be made compatible with the new CO2 game engine and it will be a case of having to re-buy Bulge, HTTR, ect.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 2:11:22 PM   
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To be honest I think this is good news for Panther and us customers.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 2:22:01 PM   
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Ah, this explains why no news on the Med Pack. I am hoping that Panther Games is going with Battlefront.com, so that they an partner up on Operational - Tactical integration.


GAWD - I hope not.

I have all the CM games except the latest Normandy one. They look great and there's an allure to the system that just keeps me coming back but they always turn out to be - and you gun guys out there will know what I'm talking about - safe queens.


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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 7:37:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: M J R

"Command Ops 2 (CO2) - The Plan" thread a few topics above this one on the forums is what i hope the dev will continue to follow (other than time scale lol) in relation to how content you already own will be updated to work on the new CO2 engine.

His ideas for the future of CO and how to take it forward sounded good to me that is why i bought in now instead of waiting for the CO2 and the new engine.

My concern is that now with the change in Publishers that the Matrix content i now own will not be made compatible with the new CO2 game engine and it will be a case of having to re-buy Bulge, HTTR, ect.


Based on the kind of customer service Panther has provided to date on CO1 software complaints, I doubt the company will leave existing customers in the lurch by forcing them to repurchase already purchased scenarios.

My guess is at worst, those with existing scenarios in CO1 may have to recompile their maps using the CO2 MapMaker to get up to date.



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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 7:50:27 PM   
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The change of publisher wont effect content of the game and the future game at all. So hose worried about compatibility don't need to worry.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 8:20:56 PM   
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At least that explains the wrap up of the final patch, simply looks like it had to be now or never.
The future will show if this was a good decision or not.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 8:48:22 PM   
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Werewolf. I'm not a gun guy. But enlighten me, I'd like to know - what's a safe queen?

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/4/2014 10:26:25 PM   
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Werewolf. I'm not a gun guy. But enlighten me, I'd like to know - what's a safe queen?

It's a gun the owner prefers to leave in the gun safe instead of shooting it periodically.

might indicate it looks nice but doesn't work all that well.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/5/2014 5:56:44 AM   
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quote:

So those worried about compatibility don't need to worry.


How can you be entirely sure?

Regardless of whether or not this will be good for Panther Games in the future, fact remains that their plans turned out too optimistic again and that they haven't really explained the reasons for all the delays.

I can understand delays for an entirely new system, but what I don't understand is how you can put up a release schedule with scheduled releases several months away that turns out to be unrealistic. Something is either nearly complete, in which case a release in a couple of months is likely, or it isn't. As it stands, there have been promises but no delivery, and it isn't the first time there have been unexplained delays.

Support from the customer also depends on how reliable the developer seems, and though the customer support and updates for the first title are good, it just doesn't make sense that the release schedule was so unrealistic unless it couldn't be met to begin with.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/5/2014 6:53:58 AM   
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Ah. Thanks, Jim.

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RE: News on Panther Games - 9/5/2014 7:01:55 AM   
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I can understand delays for an entirely new system, but what I don't understand is how you can put up a release schedule with scheduled releases several months away that turns out to be unrealistic. Something is either nearly complete, in which case a release in a couple of months is likely, or it isn't. As it stands, there have been promises but no delivery, and it isn't the first time there have been unexplained delays.


Don't all devs slip their schedules? That's how it seems to me, anyway. And no one seemed to expect that Panther would meet those targets. There have been some delays caused by illness and hospitalisation, you may recall. And many gaps, over the years, caused by Panther having to work to earn a keep in other areas (military contracts, for example), as there aren't enough people buying niche within niche games to feed the family. And then there is the continuous 'feedback' provided on the engine release (from myself included) leading to incessant work on updating, bug-fixing, improving, which - since there's only one coder, basically - means no work can be done on meeting the CO2 schedule. And that's how we wanted it, no? Most people posting in here, anyway (not Wodin, perhaps) - we wanted to have an engine that worked as well as it does now. I think we're lucky to have the game, considering how superb it is and how it's basically put together by one guy (Dave) assisted by unpaid volunteers and enthusiasts. And how many people buy it, I wonder? 2,000? Do the math. It's not big business. The strict schedule thing is the wrong model for how this kind of project develops. No? I keep expecting that Dave will hang up his coding tools (or bin them) and do something more lucrative, or even write books full time. How long has he been hacking away at this game without it being the kind of thing that would make a decent salary for him, whilst at the same time being something that could swallow all your time? So I'm very glad the project continues, at any pace

Peter

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