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NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs NY59Giants (A) - Bet... - 7/15/2014 5:03:05 PM   
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Welcome! I am so excited to kick off this AAR and get back to the awesome and time-consuming world of WiTP:AE.

This match sees me, a (thoroughly depressed) Cowboys fan take on a (marginally less depressed) NY Football Giants fan in NY59Giants a/k/a Michael. I'm very interested to be trying out the latest version of the Reluctant Admiral mod in this match.

The game has not yet begun, but it will soon. For the moment Michael is more than welcome here, although after he stops by I will ask him to kindly retire so that we can begin a pre-game discussion about a few particulars while I wait to get a download of AE to my new laptop.

Until then, could someone please help me gin up a new signature? I'd like a cool pic of one or more Kongo class BBs with some verbiage along the traditional lines (Cribtop; WiTP: AE; Kongo Class Fanboy, etc).

For all of our edification, perhaps when Michael stops in he could leave a list of all the changes in the latest RA version.

Really looking forward to this game and I sincerely hope all my old readers and many new ones participate in this thread. I will say that in Michael I really have my work cut out for me - he will be an excellent opponent and quite hard to beat (or even draw).

As far as the format I'll stick with what I did last time on the day to day stuff. I am thinking of doing most of the first person accounts from the perspective of the Reluctant Admiral himself, Yamamoto Isoroku.

Onward! Banzai!

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 5:10:52 PM   
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I am going to reenlist.

Respectfully request a seat between the 40 yard lines - or near the buffet table and the big screen television

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 5:19:27 PM   
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Will also be following from the sidelines. I am currently at the end of April '42 in my own RA 6.6 game.

Also, I would be willing to try my hand at the signature, do you have a preference as to the image bring a photograph (either black & white or colourized) or could it also be artwork?

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 5:27:43 PM   
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Thanks, JuanG. I would probably actually prefer artwork.

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 6:50:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cribtop
This match sees me, a (thoroughly depressed) Cowboys fan take on a (marginally less depressed) NY Football Giants fan in nygiants59 a/k/a Michael. I'm very interested to be trying out the latest version of the Reluctant Admiral mod in this match.


Whilest I've come to respect both your and nygiants59's presence on the forums, I simply can't stomach his choice in football teams. I grew up in Richardson, TX in my football formative years. Like the old ads for Pace Picante Sauce, anything made in New York City should be followed by a muttered chorus of "get a rope".

Go get 'em Cowboy! Erm...BANZAI!!!

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 6:50:48 PM   
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Looking forward to this one! Glad to see you back in it!

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 8:41:45 PM   
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Thanks, guys. Hopefully I can run my Empire better than Jerry Jones runs Da Boys!

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 9:58:52 PM   
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I'm in too. I've appreciated your comments in my AAR and am slowly working my way through your last one. Looking forward to see what you do with the Empire.

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 10:47:33 PM   
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First, let me say I was glad to have Dwain (Cribtop) accept my private challenge to a game. However, I must correct my esteemed opponent. This will be a game using the soon to be finish "Between the Storms" mod which is Treaty Mod + Reluctant Admiral. John 3rd (J3) did most of the work with my excellent counsel looking over his shoulders to complete Treaty Mod. That should be finalized by the weekend. I have already looked over the excellent work done by Symon/JWE to bring RA 7.0 up to the latest DBB version (mainly the ground OOB is now totally DBB format with the new changes to Australian, New Zealand, Dutch, and Philippine troops) and made a few changes (a change log is in the works). I was hoping to have this game start by now, but real life (working for a living) has slowed down J3. We should be ready to go sometime during preseason NFL football. I will start my own AAR soon and like the title that Dwain came up as I was thinking along this line now that the World Cup is over and the American football season gets ready to start.

Of course we need to discuss limited HRs and where the Japanese will surrender. Most of my banter will be in our emails and in my AAR.

Good Luck Dwain!!

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 11:09:52 PM   
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Oops, shows what I know! I knew this was a heavily modified RA but didn't know it had a separate mod name. D'oh, I'll change the title.

Sorry if I jumped the gun on starting this AAR before the mod is through, but there is a specific purpose - namely seeking advice and counsel on how to utterly defeat you, of course. Let's do this - finish the change log and post it here and then we'll get to plotting.

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/15/2014 11:13:11 PM   
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I was really hoping for dual AARs for this game, since both players are excellent AAR writers, as well as very skilled players. It sounds like I will have to contain my enthusiasm for a little while, but the game should be well worth the wait.

Jumping out to a big lead with deep strikes, and then holding on for dear life, hoping the defense holds out? Sounds like a very Jerry game plan to me

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 12:52:08 AM   
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Here ya go- use it if you wish!






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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 3:36:44 AM   
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OK, I guess I'm mentally challenged tonight. How do I update the thread title to reflect the correct mod name? I see where I can change the "RE" line for a given post, but I didn't think that changed the thread title itself.

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 4:08:11 AM   
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Looking forward to the AAR regardless of title ;]

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 4:09:21 AM   
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Unfortunately it does change the title, as I found out when I thought the individual posting subject would not change the AAR title.
It did, and in the process I nearly breached Op Sec since my subject line would have given a clue to the opponent of the AAR author.
Fortunately, witpqs was there to put me straight and get the title changed back. I find it strange that someone other than the author can change
a title that is visible in the forum table of contents.

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NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) - Bet... - 7/16/2014 4:23:30 AM   
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Thanks for all your kind words, folks!

I now fixed the thread title. Edit - Hmm, didn't work.

BB, thanks for the picture and the tip!

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 5:58:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Here ya go- use it if you wish!







DAMN! Send that to me. I'd love to have that to look at. Where did yo find it BBFanBoy?


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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 6:08:29 AM   
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quote:

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First, let me say I was glad to have Dwain (Cribtop) accept my private challenge to a game. However, I must correct my esteemed opponent. This will be a game using the soon to be finish "Between the Storms" mod which is Treaty Mod + Reluctant Admiral. John 3rd (J3) did most of the work with my excellent counsel looking over his shoulders to complete Treaty Mod. That should be finalized by the weekend. I have already looked over the excellent work done by Symon/JWE to bring RA 7.0 up to the latest DBB version (mainly the ground OOB is now totally DBB format with the new changes to Australian, New Zealand, Dutch, and Philippine troops) and made a few changes (a change log is in the works). I was hoping to have this game start by now, but real life (working for a living) has slowed down J3. We should be ready to go sometime during preseason NFL football. I will start my own AAR soon and like the title that Dwain came up as I was thinking along this line now that the World Cup is over and the American football season gets ready to start.

Of course we need to discuss limited HRs and where the Japanese will surrender. Most of my banter will be in our emails and in my AAR.

Good Luck Dwain!!



Michael is correct.

The Treaty Mod just got finished today. I am shifting to going through RA 7.0 to check it and then we'll splice the two together to form Between the Storms. The Treaty Mod deals with the Washington Conference and London Naval Conference until the withdrawal of Japan from the Conference system. This means 1922-1937. RA deals with Yamamoto Isoroku becoming Naval Minister in 1937 instead of taking the Combined Fleet. His changes in Reluctant Admiral focus from 1937-1941. It seemed like a great idea to bring the two Mods together to create a complete ALTNAV History covering the whole period 'Between the Storms." Have to admit that I wanted to use this title due to it being my Master's Thesis Title for my History MA.

Treaty Mod is pure vanilla DB-C Dec 7th OOB with just a few bright and shiny toys added. Will Post the Intro to the Treaty Mod below:

The Treaty Mod
ALTNAV 1922-1937

The Treaty Mod for AE has been created to reflect a slightly different outcome of the historic Washington and London Naval Conferences: 1922-1937. With little changes and tweaks to the Treaty System, a slightly a-historic outcome is produced. It should be noted that no changes are made to any major power from 1937-1941.

The Washington Conference
Charles Evans Hughes blueprint for disarmament gets out and the Japanese stonewall a Naval Conference for a full year. The Conference does take place in 1922 and disarmament is agreed upon, however, there are additions allowed due to the added time to get the meeting going. The whole Mutsu Debate is scrapped due to Mutsu actually being ready and deployed at that point. While maintaining the 5-5-3 ratio between Great Britain, the United States, and Japan, there are several new outcomes:

1. The Japanese then argue to keep either a Tosa or a pair of the Amagi Class battlecruisers. The Americans carry the day in arguing for the Lexington-Class battlecruisers being completed. They gain the Ranger and Constellation (while scrapping BB Mississippi to maintain balance), Great Britain gets the option to build a pair of Super-Hoods (while additionally scrapping Royal Sovereign), and Japan completes Amagi-Class Ishitaka.

2. The whole subject of CVs is reworked:
a. Allow two 'experimental' CVs (two Hosho's and two Langley's)
b. Two BC conversions are allowed but further treaty tonnage is added for one more CVL to be built by both Japan and USA. The Americans build the King’s Mountain (proto-Independence Class) and the Japanese back off the failed Ryujo design to build Ryukaku (a proto-CVL as well).

The London Conference
Moving on to the London Conference (1930) and the subject of Cruisers is re-worked:
1. Japan--at all costs--sticks to its goal of 70% for CAs (instead of 60%). This allows for GB and USA to build two more CAs (USA: Burlington and Rome) while Japan gains one.
2. Great Britain--who nearly scrapped the treaty due to the issue of CAs and CLs--stands firm over its argument and forces a larger tonnage for CLs. USA adds USS Anchorage and Dallas.
3. Both Japan and the United States were looking at hybrid Cruiser—CVs and they force Great Britain, following the example set with the Washington BC—CV Conversions, to allow for two hybrids each in the early-30s. USA builds CLV Charlotte and Jacksonville, GB builds CAV Melbourne and Wellington (sold/given to those respective navies), and Japan finishes up with CAV Kushiro and Tokachi.

***It should be noted that to take maximum advantage of the revised Treaty tonnages, Japan converts several of the oldest CLs into fast ML, builds additional Myoko-Class CAs and keeps the Mogami Class as 6” CLs.

As war clouds gather on the horizon, the United States makes several important decisions (1) to slightly reinforce the Asiatic Fleet with an additional CA, CL, and 4 modern DDs, (2) Admiral Hart also decides to follow his inner thoughts and begin development of Cebu as an alternate anchorage, and (3) the Scouting Force, commanded by Vc-Adm Wilson is sent south to protect the Philippine reinforcement TFs going to the Philippines (The Pensacola TF) and the empty TF returning from the Philippines (The Chester TF).

Japan deploys its few new ships to protect the Invasion TFs coming from Babeldoap and Cam Rahn Bay as the Kido Butai steams towards its rendezvous with destiny at Pearl Harbor…


Unfortunately Michael is correct. Life has gotten very hectic at the Cochran Household. This weekend is our annual town celebration and it is the busiest day of the year at my business. We've also been getting the caboose all ready for its 62nd B-Day Party on this Friday. LOTS of stuff happening. Hope to have RA checked out by Monday and then make the changes adding in the Treaty Mod. Shouldn't take too long...HOPEFULLY...

Dwain: Is it OK to read this since you and I will start a match once this one settles down? We plan to play BTS where Cribtop plays the DARK SIDE of the Allies once the craziness of those opening months is done in his match with Michael.


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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 12:14:16 PM   
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Can't remember where I found the website - I save pics of ships I like when I find them on the web but not the site name I found them on.
I think it was one that shows box art from ship models.

You can copy the picture right from my original posting just by right-clicking and choosing "save picture as". The website
gave it a numeric name but on my hard drive I called it BB Kongo, so that is what I assume the original website called it.

If I get time later today I will try to find the website - lots more beautiful paintings like this of BB Kirishima:








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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 3:21:31 PM   
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John,

Since I will be playing Allies I think we are fine for you to read and comment, but thanks for asking!

Still having trouble changing the thread title for some reason, by the way. Edit - Scratch that, got it working.

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 3:52:09 PM   
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Obvert has submitted a quite fetching entry in the Sig picture sweepstakes. Problem is neither one of us remember how to attach a picture in a signature. Little help?






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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 5:07:49 PM   
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Obvert has submitted a quite fetching entry in the Sig picture sweepstakes. Problem is neither one of us remember how to attach a picture in a signature. Little help?




Got it now. Just tried with the wrong brackets earlier.

If you have the image on a third party site, like photobucket, you just copy the web address and place normal picture brackets around it in the signature area on your profile; [image][/image].


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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 6:21:11 PM   
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I'm in, but where are the cheerleaders?!?!?

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/16/2014 6:43:21 PM   
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Thanks, guys. Hopefully I can run my Empire better than Jerry Jones runs Da Boys!


I feel your pain. Long time Cowboys fan myself. The first NFL game I remember was the Ice-bowl NFL Championship game against Green Bay.

Looking foward to the AAR and insights into the RA/Between the Storms mod.
Good luck


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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/17/2014 1:25:05 AM   
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Thought I would put in here the OFFICIAL RA description from the website. Take the Treaty Mod description, add this, and PRESTO you have Between the Storms!

The Reluctant Admiral is a Japanese 'what if' scenario based upon a greater contribution by Adm. Yamamoto Isoroku to the development of the Kaigun in 1936-1941. The premise of the Mod is that Yamamoto exerted a much greater influence first on the Japan Naval Aircraft Industry, then as Deputy Navy Minister, and finally as Navy Minister itself. Yamamoto chooses, at great risk to his life, to forego command of the Combined Fleet and dedicate himself to preparing Japan for a war he didn't want. He adds two new slipways for Fleet construction to facilitate a different, final pre-war expansion of the Kaigun. New and expanded Naval Yards, Heavy Industry, and Armaments are added at tremendous cost for the Japanese economy as the Admiral attempts to prepare Japan for a possibly long war. In so choosing to do this Yamamoto then changes the 4th Circle Building Plan replacing the 3rd and 4th Yamato-Class Battleships with improved Shokaku-Class CVs and a pair of Kawachi-Class fast Battlecruisers, two Tone-Class CAs, an accelerated Light Cruiser deployment, and additional destroyers. Quick, reasonably cheap carrier conversions are moved forward seeing all of the pre-war CVs/CVLs deploy by December 7th or at slightly earlier dates in 1942. Though only a few of these new ships are ready on December 7th, these additions shall make the Kaigun a force to be reckoned with well into 1944.

The Japan Naval Air Arm is changed so that everything is staked to the Zero Airframe with a specialization of the Zero into a Land-Based Interceptor as well as CV-Based Fighters. Research and production expansion is achieved by streamlining the air industry (cutting several models) while bringing forward second generation aircraft: Judy, Jill, etc… By great effort the IJNAF deploys nearly all new aircraft on December 7th.

On the ground Yamamoto reorganizes the SNLF units into a Brigade-Sized offensive force and—knowing it will be a war of attrition—converts many Naval Guard into enhanced units with Coastal Defense artillery (using guns taken from refitted warships) for a stronger defensive unit. Additional small units are added to the IJN’s Troops and support units better reflecting Yamamoto's foresight into base building, defense, and expansion needs. While all these units are small and not in great number they promise to help the Japanese war effort.

The foresight of the Admiral pays off during late-1942 and 1943 as new ships, aircraft, and ground units enter into the Japanese Order-of-Battle, however, the cost is steep. Though expanded and using modern aircraft many Japanese Naval Air units start with their experience lowered to reflect the dilution of the experienced pilots into new units that start in Japan or arrive during 1942-1943.

Supply and fuel reserves start at a much reduced state. The Japanese MUST take the DEI as fast as possible!

Once war begins RA postulates Yamamoto’s influence upon the wartime Kaigun. Several more Shokaku CVs are ordered as well as another pair of CAs, and the conversion of several CLs into CVLs. First class destroyers are accelerated and emphasis is shifted to the AA Akizuki-Class at the expense of the more balanced Yugumo’s. Manpower is at a premium within the Fleet so Submarines, Escorts, and ASW forces all see a major retooling reflecting the Japanese quality over quantity belief. Yamamoto chooses the immediately useful projects, large APs converting to CVEs, better 2nd-class destroyers, fast transports and coastal defense fleet.

It should be noted that not all the changes are for the Japanese. RA 6.4+ brings major additions and more choice for the Allied Player. The Allies see continued major changes in their starting locations, new air units, the addition of Training Squadrons on mainland USA to allow for an American pilot training program, enhanced aircraft production numbers, additional Allied FP groups, several ground units, a French Squadron at Noumea, the use of CLV Charlotte (a Flightdeck Cruiser), a CLAA conversion for the Omaha-CL, an additional pair of CVLs, and optional conversion of the Kittyhawk Class AKV, Tangier Class AV, and Cimarron Class AOs into CVEs. The added warships reflect a ‘stopgap’ counter to the increased Japanese strength found at war’s start.



How well can YOU do to use these new tools OR how well can you stop the Japanese Navy in its tracks as the Allies?



Designer's notes:

RA is fully compatible with Da Babe’s Modifications and may be used on the Extended Map with any other Babes feature.
This Mod uses the reduced cargo capacity of DBB.
Garrison requirements have been raised throughout the CBI Theatre to slow the creation and movement of immense stacks of troops that is considered a-historical.
Production is 'on' for this scenario
A special pwhexe.dat file is strongly recommended to help slow land movement throughout the map.
ATA Combat has been modified as per JWE/Symon’s work.



Scenario Designers: Stanislav Bartoshevitch (FatR), Michael Benoit (NY59Giants), John R. Cochran, III (John 3rd), Juan Gomez (JuanG), Ben Kloosterman (BK), John (JWE), EJ (SuluSea) and John Young (Red Lancer)


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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/17/2014 2:04:28 AM   
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Thanks John!

With that, let's politely close this thread to Michael. I will stop in to his thread to say hi and then depart as well. He and I will work up any house rules we feel necessary (although we want to go with the minimum).

Beginning tomorrow, while we wait for the mod to be complete and for the game to begin, I will begin a discussion of a few areas I am thinking about for strategy, R&D, production and the impact of the mod's changes on plans and operations.

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/17/2014 1:05:05 PM   
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Here ya go- use it if you wish!







DAMN! Send that to me. I'd love to have that to look at. Where did yo find it BBFanBoy?


I could not find that specific painting but I found another web site with dozens of beautiful paintings of Japanese ships, mostly
WWII, some in action.

http://www.aeronautic.dk/MarineArtgallery-T-Yuki.html


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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/18/2014 7:21:27 PM   
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So, question 1 to the readers: What should the Empire's Grand Strategy be?

One subset of this question is whether to play for early auto victory or try to hold out and deny auto-vic to the Allies. Frankly, this Mod appears to beef up the IJN and to streamline air production while also giving the Japanese earlier access to mid war goodies like CVs. It also give the Allies some significant initial assets and improves their ability to contest the early advance. We also must factor in that the quality of the opposing High Command is very good with Michael in charge. To me, this actually argues against trying a big foray for auto vic like conquering India, Oz or Hawaii. Enemy resistance, while still beatable, will be stiffer than normal early. Likewise, it appears Japanese ability to resist will continue longer provided the DEI is quickly taken (as the mod starts with lower fuel and supply stockpiles).

Still, maybe I'm way off on all this. What is the best course of action here? Auto victory or the long war?

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/18/2014 7:26:33 PM   
EHansen


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My vote is to try and deny him a auto victory until after the end of August 1945.

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RE: NFC East Showdown: Cribtop (J) vs nygiants59 (A) -... - 7/18/2014 7:30:42 PM   
Capt. Harlock


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quote:

Still, maybe I'm way off on all this. What is the best course of action here? Auto victory or the long war?


How long are you planning to play? Fold when the end result becomes obvious, or fight it to the invasion of the Home Islands? If you go for auto-victory and fail, a long game will not be any fun.

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