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RE: Dutch small vessels - 4/25/2016 6:43:53 PM   
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CLV can't be upgraded to CVL ??


Yes, if the upgrade is available....GP

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RE: Dutch small vessels - 4/25/2016 6:57:44 PM   
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sanderz,

I am in the middle of doing turn 1 for the same mod, Japanese side, PBEM, 2-day turns. Everything you wrote is true, but I will say this: a mod as complex as this would need many little tweaks even if the items you listed were not so. I would suggest to go through all force allocations and orders with a fine comb, in this mod, as in all mods.

One of the reasons the things you listed happen in this mod is that the SNLF units were consolidated into assault divisions (you have 4 amphibious and 1 paratroop at start, I think), which means less amphibious TFs are needed, but they need to be larger and thus to be reworked. I think this last is best left to the players, who dictate strategy anyway.

Another important factor to consider is that 4th Inf Div starts in Samah, and 21st Inf Div starts in Cam Ranh Bay. Although some juggling needs to be made regarding transport, they will actually arrive to their destinations earlier than in stock if you do things right.

2nd Inf Div starts in Sendai, unloaded, yes. But at least all of the sub units are there (in stock, III./4th Inf Bn starts in Iwaki, while 3 other sub units start in Sendai, unloaded). This mod gives the player the opportunity to decide on one target for the whole division, rebuild it, and get it to its destination quicker, should the player so wish.

Mods need a lot more work, especially on turn 1. But they also give very interesting what-ifs that, to me at least, make the additional effort worthwhile.

Just my 2 pennies, of course. Your naval mileage may vary :)



Sorry I didn't jump on this earlier. Kitakami is dead-on with his thoughts. These Mods are not AI friendly.

You cannot run these Mods as 'automatic Day ONE' set-ups. You have a number of TF that have only a single ship in them for YOU to then decide what it is to load and send out. We worked to maximize choices for the players in this. The Japanese Player has HUGE changes and opportunities for creative use of TF (witness the three Cargo TF in the Home Islands that have the 'warp speed' move bonus. These were created to allow yo the chance to load extra fuel and supply and ship it anywhere in the Pacific to reflect Convoys 'at sea' on Dec 7th. You'll also note that those Convoy TF are located when you cannot load any significant LCUs. That is purposefully done.

The 4th, 21st, and Sendai are immediately available for action once you have your shipping strait. I moved a TON of shipping to different locations so it makes better sense but gave up after moving about 150 vessels.

It requires more work but Turn ONE for Japan can truly be the PLAYERS TURN and not trying to modify 20-30% of the historical Turn ONE.

Hope that makes sense...



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RE: Dutch small vessels - 4/25/2016 7:00:21 PM   
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CLV can't be upgraded to CVL ??


You can upgrade any of the Hybrid Crusiers as soon as their date comes around. Remember you have two Japanese, two American, one Australian and one New Zealand hybrid. They are very unique ships based on the actual designs...


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RE: Dutch small vessels - 4/25/2016 7:51:44 PM   
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CLV can't be upgraded to CVL ??


The G6s can be upgraded to class 1746 on 8/42. Once that is done, they can be converted to class 1750 with a conversion delay of 270 days. Aircraft capacity increases to 60 planes, 20cm rifles are removed, and DP armament is upgraded to 8 double turrets sporting the 10cm/65 T98.

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RE: Dutch small vessels - 4/25/2016 8:42:38 PM   
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Sorry, I was talking about Melborne, Vindictive.. the allied CLVs, I see at the DB there IS CVL, but in game the option of conversion ( greyed ) doesn't appear.

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RE: Dutch small vessels - 4/25/2016 11:57:50 PM   
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Sorry, I was talking about Melborne, Vindictive.. the allied CLVs, I see at the DB there IS CVL, but in game the option of conversion ( greyed ) doesn't appear.


Same thing.

The Melbournes can upgrade to class 966 on 1/43. Then on 6/43 they can convert to class 969, with 36 A/C capacity and a conversion delay of 180 days.

The Vindictives can upgrade to class 959 on 1/43. Then on 6/43 they can convert to class 962, with 36 A/C capacity and a conversion delay of 180 days.

The reason the CVL conversion option is unavailable is that they must first upgrade to the class that can convert to (on or after 1/43). Before then, you will not be able to see it.

Hope that helps!

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RE: Dutch small vessels - 4/26/2016 7:24:19 AM   
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Thank you VERY much!

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RE: Treaty Mod - 5/5/2016 5:15:55 PM   
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Hi John, thanks for all your good work in updating the mods. I was going to try the Treaty Mod but it appears to be missing the aei045.dat file

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RE: Between the Storms - 5/6/2016 7:41:32 PM   
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Just started a PBEM using BTS lite as the Allies. Can someone give me a low-down on which ship classes can be converted to what, so I know what to look for and what to hide until I can produce some more CVLs and CVEs?

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RE: Between the Storms - 5/6/2016 8:13:06 PM   
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Just started a PBEM using BTS lite as the Allies. Can someone give me a low-down on which ship classes can be converted to what, so I know what to look for and what to hide until I can produce some more CVLs and CVEs?


The AKV Kittyhawk class, AV Wright class, and the top speed 18knt AO's. This list is from my cobweb infested mind so reader beware.....GP

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RE: Between the Storms - 5/7/2016 1:50:06 AM   
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Just started a PBEM using BTS lite as the Allies. Can someone give me a low-down on which ship classes can be converted to what, so I know what to look for and what to hide until I can produce some more CVLs and CVEs?


Revthought is my esteemed opponent in my new BtS Lite 2.7 game.

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RE: Between the Storms - 5/11/2016 2:44:40 PM   
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John, We are on 7.9 and in December 42 - should we be ugrading to 8 ?
Would you like to see the turn in progress to see how the game is going 2 days turns PBEM?

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RE: Between the Storms - 5/12/2016 4:04:59 AM   
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The update won't affect your in-progress game. You call on that one Sir.


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RE: Between the Storms - 5/12/2016 4:06:43 AM   
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Just started a PBEM using BTS lite as the Allies. Can someone give me a low-down on which ship classes can be converted to what, so I know what to look for and what to hide until I can produce some more CVLs and CVEs?


General Patton is spot-on with ships that convert over to CVEs. You already gain a pair of Independence-Class CVLs.

Be aware that your CAV/CLV Hybrids convert over to quite nice CVLs as well.


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RE: Between the Storms - 5/12/2016 9:05:15 AM   
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Will it improve anything?

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RE: Dutch small vessels - 5/13/2016 12:13:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kitakami

sanderz,

I am in the middle of doing turn 1 for the same mod, Japanese side, PBEM, 2-day turns. Everything you wrote is true, but I will say this: a mod as complex as this would need many little tweaks even if the items you listed were not so. I would suggest to go through all force allocations and orders with a fine comb, in this mod, as in all mods.

One of the reasons the things you listed happen in this mod is that the SNLF units were consolidated into assault divisions (you have 4 amphibious and 1 paratroop at start, I think), which means less amphibious TFs are needed, but they need to be larger and thus to be reworked. I think this last is best left to the players, who dictate strategy anyway.

Another important factor to consider is that 4th Inf Div starts in Samah, and 21st Inf Div starts in Cam Ranh Bay. Although some juggling needs to be made regarding transport, they will actually arrive to their destinations earlier than in stock if you do things right.

2nd Inf Div starts in Sendai, unloaded, yes. But at least all of the sub units are there (in stock, III./4th Inf Bn starts in Iwaki, while 3 other sub units start in Sendai, unloaded). This mod gives the player the opportunity to decide on one target for the whole division, rebuild it, and get it to its destination quicker, should the player so wish.

Mods need a lot more work, especially on turn 1. But they also give very interesting what-ifs that, to me at least, make the additional effort worthwhile.

Just my 2 pennies, of course. Your naval mileage may vary :)



Sorry I didn't jump on this earlier. Kitakami is dead-on with his thoughts. These Mods are not AI friendly.

You cannot run these Mods as 'automatic Day ONE' set-ups. You have a number of TF that have only a single ship in them for YOU to then decide what it is to load and send out. We worked to maximize choices for the players in this. The Japanese Player has HUGE changes and opportunities for creative use of TF (witness the three Cargo TF in the Home Islands that have the 'warp speed' move bonus. These were created to allow yo the chance to load extra fuel and supply and ship it anywhere in the Pacific to reflect Convoys 'at sea' on Dec 7th. You'll also note that those Convoy TF are located when you cannot load any significant LCUs. That is purposefully done.

The 4th, 21st, and Sendai are immediately available for action once you have your shipping strait. I moved a TON of shipping to different locations so it makes better sense but gave up after moving about 150 vessels.

It requires more work but Turn ONE for Japan can truly be the PLAYERS TURN and not trying to modify 20-30% of the historical Turn ONE.

Hope that makes sense...



Not finding the 2nd at Sendai. 3 battalions of the 14th Regt are there to be re-combined. Looked under unrestricted IJA Infantry units and don't see a ref to the 2nd. Using latest BTS 2.7 .... what am I overlooking ?

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RE: Dutch small vessels - 5/13/2016 12:14:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: scout1


quote:

ORIGINAL: John 3rd


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kitakami

sanderz,

I am in the middle of doing turn 1 for the same mod, Japanese side, PBEM, 2-day turns. Everything you wrote is true, but I will say this: a mod as complex as this would need many little tweaks even if the items you listed were not so. I would suggest to go through all force allocations and orders with a fine comb, in this mod, as in all mods.

One of the reasons the things you listed happen in this mod is that the SNLF units were consolidated into assault divisions (you have 4 amphibious and 1 paratroop at start, I think), which means less amphibious TFs are needed, but they need to be larger and thus to be reworked. I think this last is best left to the players, who dictate strategy anyway.

Another important factor to consider is that 4th Inf Div starts in Samah, and 21st Inf Div starts in Cam Ranh Bay. Although some juggling needs to be made regarding transport, they will actually arrive to their destinations earlier than in stock if you do things right.

2nd Inf Div starts in Sendai, unloaded, yes. But at least all of the sub units are there (in stock, III./4th Inf Bn starts in Iwaki, while 3 other sub units start in Sendai, unloaded). This mod gives the player the opportunity to decide on one target for the whole division, rebuild it, and get it to its destination quicker, should the player so wish.

Mods need a lot more work, especially on turn 1. But they also give very interesting what-ifs that, to me at least, make the additional effort worthwhile.

Just my 2 pennies, of course. Your naval mileage may vary :)



Sorry I didn't jump on this earlier. Kitakami is dead-on with his thoughts. These Mods are not AI friendly.

You cannot run these Mods as 'automatic Day ONE' set-ups. You have a number of TF that have only a single ship in them for YOU to then decide what it is to load and send out. We worked to maximize choices for the players in this. The Japanese Player has HUGE changes and opportunities for creative use of TF (witness the three Cargo TF in the Home Islands that have the 'warp speed' move bonus. These were created to allow yo the chance to load extra fuel and supply and ship it anywhere in the Pacific to reflect Convoys 'at sea' on Dec 7th. You'll also note that those Convoy TF are located when you cannot load any significant LCUs. That is purposefully done.

The 4th, 21st, and Sendai are immediately available for action once you have your shipping strait. I moved a TON of shipping to different locations so it makes better sense but gave up after moving about 150 vessels.

It requires more work but Turn ONE for Japan can truly be the PLAYERS TURN and not trying to modify 20-30% of the historical Turn ONE.

Hope that makes sense...



Not finding the 2nd at Sendai. 3 battalions of the 14th Regt are there to be re-combined. Looked under unrestricted IJA Infantry units and don't see a ref to the 2nd. Using latest BTS 2.7 .... what am I overlooking ?



Nevermind .......

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RE: Dutch small vessels - 5/21/2016 6:16:38 PM   
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Okay so without the "newbie" poster filter I can put in some more details about the Dutch vessel issue. Check the "AE Naval and OOB Issues" thread in the main forum for details, also includes a few extra minor problems that could be fixed.

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