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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/4/2014 3:18:10 PM   
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Pssst!!! Das you forgot to post parts 1 and 2 of year 26! Both good episodes and shows what "booty" a player can get from going after a powerful pirate faction.

A;sp parts 1 and 2 of year 27!

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/8/2014 3:16:43 AM   
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Bump and Larry is up!

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/8/2014 5:30:57 PM   
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Larry is up? Last one I found was by Das, so guess should be up. Did I miss one?

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/8/2014 7:20:42 PM   
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Larry is up? Last one I found was by Das, so guess should be up. Did I miss one?


Yes you did...Marcus Aurilius did year 26 in 2 parts. Good episodes actually.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/8/2014 9:36:24 PM   
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Just to catch up with the links here:

Das' Year 26
Distant Worlds Collaborative ~ Year 26 Part 1 ~ New Front Lines
Distant Worlds Collaborative ~ Year 26 Part 2 ~ Evil Sun


Marcus' Year 27
Distant Worlds Collaberative ~ Year 27 Pt. 1 ~ 111 Words for War...
Distant Worlds Collaberative ~ Year 27 Pt. 2 ~ ...But No Words for Compassion


I still need to watch Year 27 myself, but should have that watched and my year (28) done for tomorrow. Not to worry, I won't take 2 weeks like I did last time... :D


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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/8/2014 11:53:55 PM   
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Not a problem Larry,the last few years have built up some tension.MA did a pretty good job but built some more of those dominatrix class capital ships. Don't think he realized they are just planetary bombardment vessels. When next you are up can you run through some of the design specs on your warships?

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/9/2014 1:01:05 AM   
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Not a problem Larry,the last few years have built up some tension.MA did a pretty good job but built some more of those dominatrix class capital ships. Don't think he realized they are just planetary bombardment vessels. When next you are up can you run through some of the design specs on your warships?


Those ships might still be in queue for construction. Hopefully I can cancel before they hit the construction bays. And yes, it's time to look over our designs a bit at this point. I hope our superior ground forces holds off any Human invasions.

I fear we may still be strapped for certain resources so I'll have to look at that closely in the coming year.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/9/2014 2:14:53 AM   
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"Yes you did...Marcus Aurilius did year 26 in 2 parts. Good episodes actually."

Been looking and never saw it. Glad Larry slapped up the links.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/9/2014 3:44:46 AM   
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"Yes you did...Marcus Aurilius did year 26 in 2 parts. Good episodes actually."

Been looking and never saw it. Glad Larry slapped up the links.


I search for "Distant worlds universe collaborative"...usually get several hundred choices to scroll through but the majority of the time latest episodes are in top 150.

Larry i don't think al your warship designs have been refitted to include point defense yet. MA did order up more LONGD jeep-carrier ships and they have been useful.It will be interesting to see what you have left to work with.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/9/2014 1:42:59 PM   
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Das
Year 26.1: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Ylu90wyu51c
Year 26.2: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=zI5yOGGwjTQ

Marcus Aurelius
Year 27.1: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=mFhHduiwCTM
Year 27.2: http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=zufdTAvBgHI

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/9/2014 4:02:13 PM   
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Here is part 1 of 3 of my year. Lots to look at...

Distant Worlds Collaborative ~ Year 28 Pt 1 ~ Planning for the Year

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/10/2014 3:53:40 PM   
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Yeah, if they do not post the link in this thread, I will not see it. Though at one time Larry and Das were posting the links for all in their youtube page.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/10/2014 4:06:25 PM   
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I'll try to ensure links get posted here promptly for all players.

Here is part 2 of 3 for year 28. We actually play for a bit in this one.

Distant Worlds Collaborative ~ Year 28 Pt 2 ~ Securing Ground Forces

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/11/2014 3:00:10 AM   
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I search for "Distant worlds universe collaborative"...usually get several hundred choices to scroll through but the majority of the time latest episodes are in top 150.

Larry i don't think al your warship designs have been refitted to include point defense yet. MA did order up more LONGD jeep-carrier ships and they have been useful.It will be interesting to see what you have left to work with.


At the end of his turn, Das will say who the next person is (if he knows that then). I then just check that person's channel, maybe once a day. Don't really have to search too much for it.

-Long.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/11/2014 12:32:37 PM   
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Larry,good call on updating those ships the way you did. You need that next ship size increase to make any major changes.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/11/2014 12:47:41 PM   
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It would be great to see the team play Extreme with the AI Improvement Mod ... and get slaughtered!



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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/11/2014 2:52:00 PM   
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I actually put my fleet to good use in this year - many mining stations destroyed.

Distant Worlds Collaborative ~ Year 28 Pt 3 ~ Let's Hit n' Run!

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/11/2014 3:00:59 PM   
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Larry,good call on updating those ships the way you did. You need that next ship size increase to make any major changes.


Yes, that's why I wasn't concerned about retrofits. For now we'll just replace lost ships with the new designs until we get major upgrades to size, etc...

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It would be great to see the team play Extreme with the AI Improvement Mod ... and get slaughtered!





It's always great to watch me fail. LOL! People seem to enjoy that. I'd feel sorry for the Guest player who has limited experience with the game under those settings though... hehehe...



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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/11/2014 3:21:39 PM   
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One of the great advantages of these sorts of Let's Plays, apart from their sheer entertainment value, is that they can help show us poorer players how we can play better. The use of mods that alter the actual balance, like the AI Improvement mod does, means the lessons learned aren't applicable to those of us who prefer to play the vanilla game.

I'm not counting the Extended mod, as that doesn't alter any actual mechanics.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/11/2014 3:38:57 PM   
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One of the great advantages of these sorts of Let's Plays, apart from their sheer entertainment value, is that they can help show us poorer players how we can play better. The use of mods that alter the actual balance, like the AI Improvement mod does, means the lessons learned aren't applicable to those of us who prefer to play the vanilla game.

I'm not counting the Extended mod, as that doesn't alter any actual mechanics.



My channel gets a lot of new players to the game. I try not to go too nuts on mods as most of the new people are trying to get a grasp on the core game itself. The Extended Mod is perfect because, as you said, it doesn't alter any of the core mechanics - any tips or techniques translate perfectly from this mod to vanilla games.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/11/2014 4:13:44 PM   
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Plus, everyone should be using the Extended mod, it's just that good! I use it, but still consider myself to be playing vanilla.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/12/2014 12:58:45 PM   
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quote:

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One of the great advantages of these sorts of Let's Plays, apart from their sheer entertainment value, is that they can help show us poorer players how we can play better. The use of mods that alter the actual balance, like the AI Improvement mod does, means the lessons learned aren't applicable to those of us who prefer to play the vanilla game.

My channel gets a lot of new players to the game. I try not to go too nuts on mods as most of the new people are trying to get a grasp on the core game itself. The Extended Mod is perfect because, as you said, it doesn't alter any of the core mechanics - any tips or techniques translate perfectly from this mod to vanilla games.


Fair enough. One clarification though, the AI Improvement Mod does little to change the mechanics for a human player (unless you count a few small changes to the Tech Tree). What it does is improve the AI. More powerful ships. More focused researched. Better exploration etc. So it may require a human player to adjust their strategy. For example it's far more difficult to use mass Wonders because the AI actually targets them. But should mass Wonders have been possible in the first place?

The best pitch I can provide is that you'll have cooler battles with the Improved AI in the videos. The screenshots at the bottom of this post all have aspects you will never see with Vanilla.

Anyway, the videos are great, cheers.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/12/2014 1:29:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: StarLab
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One of the great advantages of these sorts of Let's Plays, apart from their sheer entertainment value, is that they can help show us poorer players how we can play better. The use of mods that alter the actual balance, like the AI Improvement mod does, means the lessons learned aren't applicable to those of us who prefer to play the vanilla game.

My channel gets a lot of new players to the game. I try not to go too nuts on mods as most of the new people are trying to get a grasp on the core game itself. The Extended Mod is perfect because, as you said, it doesn't alter any of the core mechanics - any tips or techniques translate perfectly from this mod to vanilla games.


Fair enough. One clarification though, the AI Improvement Mod does little to change the mechanics for a human player (unless you count a few small changes to the Tech Tree). What it does is improve the AI. More powerful ships. More focused researched. Better exploration etc. So it may require a human player to adjust their strategy. For example it's far more difficult to use mass Wonders because the AI actually targets them. But should mass Wonders have been possible in the first place?

The best pitch I can provide is that you'll have cooler battles with the Improved AI in the videos. The screenshots at the bottom of this post all have aspects you will never see with Vanilla.

Anyway, the videos are great, cheers.



I've played your mod recently and I certainly get my butt kicked and handed back to me more often than not. Good job there!


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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/12/2014 6:20:50 PM   
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Not to derail this thread too much, but I actually prefer the somewhat unbalanced tech tree of the vanilla game. I like that some weapon paths are suboptimal, and that some races are hardwired to follow those paths anyway. I like that, as a result, certain races will often end up being easy prey for certain other races. It adds some nice asymmetry to the game.

Increasing the difficulty can then be a simple matter of playing one of those disadvantaged races (and committing to following their tech preferences), or allying with one of them and trying to keep them afloat, etc. Paradox games have convinced me of the merits of unbalanced games.

A "pure" AI mod that just optimizes the AI within the existing framework would be very welcome, but I suspect there aren't a lot of people that agree with me.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/12/2014 7:57:24 PM   
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A "pure" AI mod that just optimizes the AI within the existing framework would be very welcome, but I suspect there aren't a lot of people that agree with me.


... which is why we have lots and lots of Mods to choose from. Choose being the operative word :)

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/12/2014 8:38:29 PM   
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Not to derail this thread too much, but I actually prefer the somewhat unbalanced tech tree of the vanilla game. I like that some weapon paths are suboptimal, and that some races are hardwired to follow those paths anyway. I like that, as a result, certain races will often end up being easy prey for certain other races. It adds some nice asymmetry to the game.

Increasing the difficulty can then be a simple matter of playing one of those disadvantaged races (and committing to following their tech preferences), or allying with one of them and trying to keep them afloat, etc. Paradox games have convinced me of the merits of unbalanced games.

A "pure" AI mod that just optimizes the AI within the existing framework would be very welcome, but I suspect there aren't a lot of people that agree with me.



I agree. I think the assymetry (that's a great word for it!) and lack of balance between the empires is really interesting and really creates a game that's not just about winning and doing the world conquest thing like in Civilization, but also about enjoying all the little things that are going on all around. Back in the day I created a mod for Civilization 4, "Fairy Tale", where I tried to play on this assymetry and apply it to Civ4. I made some civs really overpowered and some very weak and hard to play. It created some really interesting games where sometimes, those weak civs could actually surprise and become mega powers. Then I also found the Paradox games and, well, Distant Worlds as well. Distant Worlds does this assymetry the absolute best.


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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/13/2014 12:06:21 AM   
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Not to derail this thread too much, but I actually prefer the somewhat unbalanced tech tree of the vanilla game. I like that some weapon paths are suboptimal, and that some races are hardwired to follow those paths anyway. I like that, as a result, certain races will often end up being easy prey for certain other races. It adds some nice asymmetry to the game.

Increasing the difficulty can then be a simple matter of playing one of those disadvantaged races (and committing to following their tech preferences), or allying with one of them and trying to keep them afloat, etc. Paradox games have convinced me of the merits of unbalanced games.

A "pure" AI mod that just optimizes the AI within the existing framework would be very welcome, but I suspect there aren't a lot of people that agree with me.

It's a question of degree.

Even with the weapon balancing some paths remain sub-optimal. Rail Guns are an example, they become very weak late game and in mid-game it's a slog. But I didn't want them to be so far out of balance that some weapons were essentially useless throughout the entire game. Part of the idea was to use more of the Tech Tree in-game. In Vanilla, just a couple of weapons dominate the landscape and a number of weapons are extremely rarely used. They put the effort in to develop all these weapons so personally I'd like see them used!

With Energy Research, every race follows the Vanilla theme (e.g. Efficiency/Power/Balanced/Speed), just with a better research focus ... even if it's sub-optimal for that weapon/race.

So if you consider the races in the Extended AI Improvement Mod that use Torpedoes:

1. Some use Point Blank tactics while others use All Weapons tactics
2. There is a mix of Efficiency/Power/Balanced/Speed research focus
3. Some mix with Fighters/Bombers
4. Some never flee while others flee at 20% Shields
5. Some do more Weapons Research while others do more High Tech Research
6. Some focus on Science Wonders / Academies and others apply a mix of other approaches

If I was going for fully optimal there would not be enhanced variety in the races using exactly the same weapon.

Now if you want to apply Vanilla Weapons damage, that is trivial, just reverse the changes in Research.txt and Components.txt as specified in the Weapons Balancing thread.

Happy to continue this in the AI Improvement Mod thread.

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/13/2014 3:37:35 AM   
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What you all said..............

So DAS what are you going to do next? and who is the next returning guest?

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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/14/2014 11:02:44 AM   
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Want to put my five cents in. I am watching your game and i like series very much.

1. Icemania's AI mod is must have. I really cant imagine game without it right now, so much improvement it brings. It does not gamechanging changes - the tactics are same, just it places right things in right places. If you want to show really challenging gameplay to subscribers you should try AI mod. Its not a mod, its semi-official upgrade patch. I myself will be much more interested in your series if it will contain AI mod upgrade at least, its optimization of totally uneffective vanilla AI, and big upgrade to challenge and replayability of the game.
2. The vanilla game is ok and so, but its been around for long, and there are really complex and nice projects going around. Even with them gameplay may alter abit, but the principals of DW:U engine will remain the same. Exposuring modded content of DW:U will do good both for:
- DW:U as a game - people will see that there aviable improvements, more polished art, more diverse content aviable, and that is actually one of big additional values to the game - and many potential buyers do not realize it
- for mods and modders who develop really complex content which really improves the game/game's experience by unmeasurable amount (even if they change things, i think the best "good" thing the streamers could do to the DW/DW community is to show how diverse/different this game is, and how creative its modding community is, showcasing different mods.)
- to themselves since they will interest Trekkies if they will stream StarTrek mod, WH fans if they stream WH mod, fans of Diversification and ultimate immersive experience if they will stream future megamod we working on, and such showcases may bring more buyers/people to the game, which wont be something of interest for them by default in its vanilla state.

Cheers!


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RE: YouTube Collaborative Series - 9/15/2014 10:00:27 AM   
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Is Das on vacation or have his computer problems not been resolved? Haven't seen him around for 10 days or so.

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