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Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8.1 S... - 5/18/2014 12:00:29 AM   
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Yes, this could very well be an exiting time for Wargames.

This



links you to the thread with all the NEWS released to date.




Remember - Matrix / Slitherine, The Home of WarGamers



Thanks y'all for reading this


Yours Truly

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 5/18/2014 12:39:56 PM   
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He has some important points , are we going to get a response from Matrix / Slitherine?

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 5/18/2014 5:37:08 PM   
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It's not just me that thinks this way ...



quote:

From The Very Astute rwenstrup
"There are some things that define the culture of an organization. The original Steel Panthers give away made Matrix. I have bought games intentionally from Matrix for many years as a result of this."


The History, The Culture .... so difficult to create and sustain. So, so easy to f*** it all up.

quote:

Another Basic truth from rwenstrup
"It is VERY much in Matrix's interest to continue to support this game..."


Of course they'll do something. A Multi-National Company, actively striving to become the paradigm of their Industry, they wouldn't miss a Golden Opportunity such as this. I would Imagine that their "Culture" would demand action.
Wouldn't You?


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Old School Marketing Philosophy from rwenstrup that is still Valid. Ignore at your own Risk Matrix / Slitherene
"it is a source of considerable customer goodwill...something that people pay a lot to get..."


I've placed in Italics the bits that Matrix / Slitherene should probably focus on. The word in Red is for the Marketing & Sales people to stare at.



It's a failing of mine, I know. But I'm patient to a fault.
I'm still willing to give Matrix / Slitherene time for a reasonable response. I'm not quite ready yet to start another Effort-post to connect all the dots for these guys.


What do you say? .... Time for a little Common Sense to filter down to the End Users??




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edit - spelling again ... sigh

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 5/19/2014 1:52:50 PM   
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I've explained the basic reasoning in the other thread but its not as simple as it sounds or obviously we would have done it a long time ago. I can't really say any more for now ;)

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 5/19/2014 2:28:26 PM   
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Thanks Iain, please keep us informed, this is such a terrific game with such a large following!

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 5/19/2014 3:40:11 PM   
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What comes to creating new installer by Matrix staff, which includes mods and the likes, there could be some legal mumbojumbo which would require something more than forum/e-mail exchange between Matrix, Slitherine, and modders. Now I'm shooting indirect fire without observer, but do I hit on the target?

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 5/19/2014 4:14:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Matti Kuokkanen

What comes to creating new installer by Matrix staff, which includes mods and the likes, there could be some legal mumbojumbo which would require something more than forum/e-mail exchange between Matrix, Slitherine, and modders. Now I'm shooting indirect fire without observer, but do I hit on the target?


Matti, I share your frustration but these things can be complicated and take time to iron out. I'm sure Matrix would like to take care of this as soon as possible. But, we need to keep the pressure on, I think the future will be bright!

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 5/19/2014 9:02:59 PM   
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I'm still trying to understand how Matrix/Slitherine let Paradox get the rights to "Squad Leader"? Surely you're not that far behind them in revenue and capital?

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 5/19/2014 10:34:13 PM   
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Perhaps you understand wrongly :-)

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/1/2014 8:54:01 PM   
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BUMP






quote:

ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil
I've explained the basic reasoning in the other thread but its not as simple as it sounds


With all due respect Sir, I disagree.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil
or obviously we would have done it a long time ago.


Ummmmm, how could you have done that? Win 8 only came out a year or so ago.

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ORIGINAL: Iain McNeil
I can't really say any more for now ;)


Why not?




Respectfully Yours

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 11:01:12 AM   
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In about 2002 a fellow wargamer put me onto Steel Panthers. There was a version free to download.

It is a wargame I expected to enjoy. It was about 12 years ago so I don't remember why.

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 11:23:10 AM   
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I was one of the people that actually MADE Matrix Games happen back in 2000.

Yes we wargamers blathering away all day long for so long about only one game, sure DID make a difference.

How much do I want Steel Panthers? You could have every last friggin wargame I own in trade if I could have Steel Panthers, as an easy install, with my Mega Campaigns and a mouse aggro that simply didn't exist and no wonky graphics issues, and not requiring more geek skills than the lad that maintains my computer realm for me. Because I sure don't do it. I'm good at making things, but computers isn't on that list.

I know, and everyone that cares knows, that the ownership of Steel Panthers is a problem. Frankly I say this to the owner of the code, you suck. Just give it up and sell it finally. Or work some deal. Even Hasborg is ok with letting MMP market ASL for them.

I don't really care who owns Steel Panthers. I do care that every single squad tactical wargame released since Steel Panthers has failed to be better than Steel Panthers, and isn't even half as good as Steel Panthers, and that includes every last title, turn based, real time, and all points in between since then.

Gary can cram him monstrosity titles and their obsession with too much and too complex to be remotely realistic use of good game time. I wish he'd make a Steel Panther's successor instead. My money spent on War in the Pacific, and War in the East was the same as a drunk spending money on booze. I never should have bought them. Gary, those games don't cut it even by a fraction in comparison. They don't impress me, and any awards you have gotten for them, I couldn't care less. I want the title that you have been repeatedly told we want. If not rebuilt old code, then do it fresh. You did it the first time, and you obviously have the time, as you keep churning out those monstrosities. When I think Gary Grigsby, I don't think of other designs eh. You're the Steel Panthers guy. I was stupid to buy the WitE expansions and with some luck, I am refusing to buy the WitW game. I don't want it. I don't want a title that blends them either.

Nope there isn't a REAL justification for not republishing Steel Panthers. You simply tell the people making other games, to stop making them and make what everyone is clamouring for. I don't need yet another operational grand strategy done to death title from yet another developer that thinks they can redo the done to death and magically make it worth it.

If everyone told Ford to make car A, and he went and made car B C and D that had already been done to death by GM, well I'd feel the same way about them saying they could do it.

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 12:17:35 PM   
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I would think part of the question is what makes financial sense?

I'm an old Avalon Hill started war game enthusiast. There is no doubt on the basic level I am with you and want to see many classic war games. Not first person shooters, not Real Time, not fantasy, not fancy graphics without a good game behind them, not unrealistic play pretending to be a strategy war game, etc.

I use to be able to buy good AH & other board games at hobby stores and others. When I switched to computer games I could find them in many software stores. Now all I can find is a very small collection of poor PC games if any at all and a lot of playstation, x-box etc. with very few that would interest me. Most of the "software stores" are done and you can't even find a good collection at Best Buy.

Now I have to buy almost entirely on-line and even that is becoming more of a problem. Perhaps we are just too small of a market for a company to want to focus on. Perhaps they don't see enough profit potential. Many if not most of those reading this thread will buy from and support a company that provides us with the proper type and quality of game. Are there enough of us? The state of pc gaming tends to suggest that many companies don't think so.

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 12:23:16 PM   
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It's my understanding that Steel Panthers World at War works flawlessly on Windows 8 or 8.1 apart from the bug on the artillery screen for which there is a workaround.

I am wrong?

Best wishes,
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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 12:26:05 PM   
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asking a 100 times won't get you a better answer if they don't have the info to give you, or you don't like the last answer given :)

ps edited, this isn't meant as a reply to shunwick either, and i'm sorry i replied to this post and made it look like it was when it wasn't



i have slapped myself silly for 10 mins as punishment and hope you except my apology



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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 2:21:32 PM   
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I guess that I will install it and find out then....

... and I only remember asking the question once...

Best wishes,
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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 3:12:46 PM   
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reply wasn't meant for you tbh but as a general reply but yes it does look like it was aimed at you, sorry it wasn't.
its just how the follow on messages has been here, i should have not worded it like that , sorry for that....

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 6:15:44 PM   
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zakblood,

No problem. Misunderstandings happen.

Best wishes,
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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 6:55:17 PM   
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thanks, will look more next time and make sure i type what i mean and to whom the reply is to :)

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/2/2014 8:20:28 PM   
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The fact of the matter is that Gary Grisby has plans to make a successor to SPWAW. Its just that the scheduling of it seems to indicate that it will happen 7-10 years down the road. This is the big disappointment. Would it be as enjoyable as SpWAW? Up to this point IMO, nothing has equaled it.

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/3/2014 1:31:14 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: shunwick

It's my understanding that Steel Panthers World at War works flawlessly on Windows 8 or 8.1 apart from the bug on the artillery screen for which there is a workaround.

I am wrong?

Best wishes,
Steve



Steve, you are not wrong.

If you click on this Link HERE. you'll get a better description of the workaround.


There is No Good Reason to not enjoy this game again.




Hope this helps



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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/3/2014 8:38:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Major Mess


quote:

ORIGINAL: shunwick

It's my understanding that Steel Panthers World at War works flawlessly on Windows 8 or 8.1 apart from the bug on the artillery screen for which there is a workaround.

I am wrong?

Best wishes,
Steve



Steve, you are not wrong.

If you click on this Link HERE. you'll get a better description of the workaround.


There is No Good Reason to not enjoy this game again.




Hope this helps



cheers

MM


Interesting.

I installed SPWaW last night and it does work fine on Windows 8.1 apart from the artillery screen bug. However, I tried holding shift and left clicking but although things were better it was still hugely annoying having to click multiple times. I am afraid I uninstalled the game again.

I will reinstall it again tonight and try mapping the mouse buttton as specified by iskaput. Not sure why this would work when the holding shift and lmb does not though.

I will let you know how I get on.

Best wishes,
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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/3/2014 1:00:34 PM   
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Had not heard of the arty bug, will look into that.

It is true, it works in 8.1 although I find the spastic mouse still a bit of a nuisance issue although it seems lessened from what I recall.

Just used my usual test scenario and encountered the arty bug effect.

I tend to prefer to play just the Mega Campaigns. Are there any issues with 8.1 I should know of before diving in?


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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/3/2014 1:05:16 PM   
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Ok I tried to register to get the arty bug details only to be told it has no interest in my email. I'm not getting an email if I am just wanting the arty bug explained. Any help would be appreciated.

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/3/2014 1:59:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DSWargamer

Ok I tried to register to get the arty bug details only to be told it has no interest in my email. I'm not getting an email if I am just wanting the arty bug explained. Any help would be appreciated.


I didn't realize that one had to register at the Depot, here is the post in question.


quote:

ORIGINAL: From the Depot - author: iskaput
Hi Everyone,


I'd like to present a work-around that has really sorted out my Artillery Screen issues.
One caveat: I run my game on a generic HP Win 8 - 64 bit box, so YMMV on an earlier OS. (it shouldn't though)

What I have done is mapped one of my mouse buttons (in my case the wheel button) to activate the Shift key + the Left Mouse Button simultaneously.
It's like holding down the Shift key and left-clicking on the button/hex but better, waaaaaaaay better.

I dunno why this works.
It just does.

Extensive testing took place over the weekend. I haven't really been inclined to play the game lately (bunged up my shoulder awhile ago - too sore and cranky) but after I stumbled upon this I was gobsmacked.
Health be damned, this is one of the holy quests!

One click.
100% of the time.

This is what you need.
- At least a 3 button, preferably a 5 button wheel mouse.
- Software to map the mouse buttons.

I figured this out using a program called X-Mouse Button Control. It's a solid, well supported piece of freeware. You can get the latest version HERE!!!!

1 - Install X-Mouse.
2 - Find the X-Mouse icon chillin' away on the Taskbar. Right click for menu, left click Setup.
3 - Click the Add button, hunt down the mech.exe file. Select and click OK

mech.exe is now in the Profiles window, highlight mech.exe and now you can assign specific tasks to each control.

*continuing with my example*
4 - Open the drop-down menu beside Middle Button, scroll down to click on Simulated Keys (undefined). In the field of the next window copy and paste this:

{SHIFT}{LMB}

click OK and you're done

5 - repeat step 4 for the other controls (key in appropriate letter/function).
6 - when satisfied, click Apply and then Close.



Now you've mapped the mouse, next up is your brain.
Go on, fire up the game.
Try it out.
See if you can get used to using the new control. Took me about half an hour.

Oh Yeah, this also works in the main Battle Screen when you want to stack units.





I hope you find yourself with a silly smile on your face. I am.




The jittery mouse thing sometimes crops up when playing games in Win 8/8.1. I believe that MS has a patch out that alleviates that issue.
FWIW I haven't noticed this on my machine.

Hope this helps.


MM



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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/3/2014 2:04:51 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DSWargamer

Gary can cram him monstrosity titles and their obsession with too much and too complex to be remotely realistic use of good game time. I wish he'd make a Steel Panther's successor instead. My money spent on War in the Pacific, and War in the East was the same as a drunk spending money on booze. I never should have bought them. Gary, those games don't cut it even by a fraction in comparison. They don't impress me, and any awards you have gotten for them, I couldn't care less.

I think the main reason for lack of the Steel Panther successor are people who buy Strategic games that they'll never really play.

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ORIGINAL: Yogi the Great

Now I have to buy almost entirely on-line and even that is becoming more of a problem. Perhaps we are just too small of a market for a company to want to focus on. Perhaps they don't see enough profit potential. Many if not most of those reading this thread will buy from and support a company that provides us with the proper type and quality of game. Are there enough of us? The state of pc gaming tends to suggest that many companies don't think so.

If there isn't enough gamers for Steel Panthers, there is even less for monster games like WitE and WitP but the latter are dominating the last decade.

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/3/2014 2:07:30 PM   
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Further the above.

I use a 5 button mouse, left and right buttons are stock.
Buttons 3 and 4 are mapped for N(next) and P(previous).
The scroll wheel zooms in and out, and the wheel button is for the arty screen.


Happy Gaming people!!


cheers


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edit: its toooo early ... I can't spell



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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/3/2014 9:22:44 PM   
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Well...

The mouse button mapper has certainly had an effect. However, it is still taking multiple clicks of the mouse (four or five clicks instead of the usual twenty to thirty). I have never had much luck with SPWaW. Since I bought it in 2006 for my old XP desktop, I have played about 6 hours of it. The artillery screen bug has always been such a pain. At least now it might be playable at last even if the latest workaround does not quite do what it says on the tin.

It depends on how annoyed I get with it.

I will play around with the mouse button mapper to see if I can find a setting that works better.

Best wishes,
Steve

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/4/2014 1:09:56 AM   
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Alright, guys, let's talk about this more in the SPWaW forum, OK? I post there periodically, just to keep interest stirred up. Major Mess, didn't I used to know you as Major Destruction years ago?

Of course, I am the one who kept harping about an "Old Breed" mega campaign, to include Guadalcanal, New Britain, Peleliu and Okinawa. Of course, this was way before HBO's "The Pacific" miniseries was launched. If it could happen, I think it would far surpass "The Screaming Eagles" for depth of research and replayability. Sorry to get ahead of myself, but THIS would get me involved in a new start.

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RE: Matrix / Slitherine Revive Classic game for Win 8/8... - 6/4/2014 1:18:43 AM   
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Not to go off topic, but I have to ask: After spending years with WaW and MBT especially, I could no longer deal with the micromanagement and very long turn resolutions. If there is a cure, let me know :)

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