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Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/17/2014 5:24:05 PM   
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I notice that the Ki-49-Ia Helen arriving in 4/42 comes equipped with a forward (looking/firing) MAD. Later models do not have this.
What is this MAD? A Magnetic Anomaly Detector to detect submerged submarines? Did they even have those back then? and what would an army bomber want with one of those?

So it must be something else

Anyone?

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/17/2014 5:43:54 PM   
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The MAD mentioned is a Magnetic Anomaly Detector. Both the Allies and Japan deployed early versions of them in WW2.
According to my game GC secn.2, it does have MAD and tracker reports it has a range of 500 and acc of 10.

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/17/2014 5:58:08 PM   
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Yes, it is indeed a Magnetic Anomaly Detector.

The thing to note though, is that even though the aircraft arrives in 4/42, the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44 (may vary depending on scenario). This means until then it will be grayed out on the aircraft, and not provide any function.

For comparison, the Allied MAD activates in 10/42.

Here is an article with some details of Japanese MAD operations.

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/17/2014 7:21:35 PM   
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quote:

the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44

That's probably while they took it out in the later versions

Any other Japanese aircraft with MAD?

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/17/2014 9:04:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kaleun

quote:

the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44

That's probably while they took it out in the later versions

Any other Japanese aircraft with MAD?


In Scen 1?

B5N2 Kate
E13A1 Jake
Q1W1 Lorna

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/17/2014 9:51:07 PM   
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What is the H6 radar ? Do it catch only planes or subs or both? Stats are far over MAD

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/17/2014 10:04:04 PM   
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How about DaBigBabes?

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/17/2014 10:50:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kaleun

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the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44

That's probably while they took it out in the later versions

Any other Japanese aircraft with MAD?

Maybe, but it was heavy and big and required several operators. I've always thought that was the reason more than anything ... it needed the space and crew of a 2E. Also, it's operational parameters were so-so .... good in coastal waters maybe? Kinda hard to evaluate.

I think they used the older ones because the Army considered helping the Navy to be ... well, they didn't like it much. They kept their newer bombers outfitted for themselves.

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/18/2014 1:20:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: JuanG

Yes, it is indeed a Magnetic Anomaly Detector.

The thing to note though, is that even though the aircraft arrives in 4/42, the MAD 'device' only activates in 6/44 (may vary depending on scenario). This means until then it will be grayed out on the aircraft, and not provide any function.

For comparison, the Allied MAD activates in 10/42.

Here is an article with some details of Japanese MAD operations.


The report of the US Naval Technical Mission to Japan on Japanese MAD can be found here.

According to this report, the Japanese MAD was developed by the Navy. There was no Army development of MAD, but 137 units were delivered to the Army for use in the Ki-54 (Hickory) in an ASW role. Maybe the device should be on the Ki-54b instead of the Ki-49Ia.

The Navy deployed about 300 MAD units, with about half on Jakes, and the other half evenly divided amongst Kates, Nells, and Lornas. The Q1W1 Lorna was designed specifically to carry MAD.

The Technical Mission report includes circuit diagrams of all the MAD components, in case anyone would like to build their own.


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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/18/2014 3:09:34 AM   
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Helen is MAD, Nell is MAD, Kate is MAD and Lorna's MAD.

Sounds like the lead in to a Country and Western song.

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/18/2014 3:18:42 AM   
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In my experience, the only US units that use MAD are the ZPK blimb airgroups.

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RE: Ki-49-Ia Helen. MAD? - 4/18/2014 1:00:35 PM   
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The army had a lot of troops in ships. In fact they by 1943,44 had ships, cargo submarines and LPD's. So they had to fight submarines, the scourge of their soldiers.

I don't know of any statistic but it is possible that after malnutrition and disease more Japanese army soldiers died by submarines than by American army.

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