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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/15/2014 3:27:31 AM   
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cpdeyoung did you have to retrieve the French turn from the Old Turns Folder ?

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/15/2014 7:55:41 AM   
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We may have a problem. I am keeping track of PP for Germany by turn. I enabled the alt rule on PP. It is may 1938, while I am not sure how high the bonus is for Germany, the May turn should have been around 232 PP it is over 280. Prior to this I was getting maybe 5 to 8 extra PP per turn and used some of it. Assume 8 to 10 points it still should be around 240 no more then 250, the only change is I have one more city from Austria giving me 4000 more production. The 4000 probably raised it a little but 30.

I saved after the German turn and will wait for word if this is a problem from you all.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/15/2014 10:56:44 AM   
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@Ironduke1955,

No, it was in the proper place.

I put it in old turns after retrieving it. Sorry for any confusion, but I thought it would let you guys know I was working on it.

I am not seeing any significant flow of PP in GOWN nations. It looks like Germany is producing more than GB and USA combined, and nearly as much as all three (280 vs 308).

What is the Alt rule on PP?

Chuck

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/15/2014 12:19:38 PM   
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Domestic Research Bonus:
When Domestic Research Bonus is chosen, each major country gets a research bonus, in PPs, every turn. This Bonus is calculated by taking account the base industrial output of all the people of that major country, dividing it by a factor, and then looking at if the majors capitol is owned by that player. If it is not owned, the bonus will be halved.

Currently the bonuses are as follows for each country, pr. round. Germany (10), Italy (4), Japan (6), USSR (10), France (6), Great Britain (10), United States (16), China (11). Remember that China does not begin owning its own capitol. So it will only get 5 PPs until it does.

What happened with the German PP is not a problem for me if it's not a problem for the other players.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/15/2014 1:23:20 PM   
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Yes Claus and Alexandre felt that their was not enough PP for research, its what I see as a weakness in ATG PP/Research is a product of industrial production. So the factories that produce steel can be converted to produce research. The resources of a state are fixed they can be improved or reduced research can be increased Steel production can be increased but you can't shut down the steel mills and have them produce research or shut down the universities and have them produce steel. Anyway the extra PP is to allow players to produce the more modern units in a almost historical timeline. Though I would argue that a country at constant war would be as technologically advanced. If not more so than a country at peace most improvements were only made from analysis of real combat and doctrines mostly learned and tested from actual implementation.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/15/2014 7:45:53 PM   
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Turn is ready.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/16/2014 1:43:27 AM   
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Not sure what is going on, or if something is fishy. The Domestic Research Bonus is fixed, so it won´t change unless you lose your capitol, and only then will it be halved.

Also confusing the subject alittle might be that the allies might not have increased their Own Production, via research, while the axis may have. The numbers do seem alittle skewed, but I cannot honestly say what is causing it...

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/16/2014 1:48:01 AM   
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London - Paris : Two member nations of GOWN have revealed the terms of an alliance between them. There are no secret protocols, and the alliance is defensive in nature. The European GOWN nations have long had common interests, and now are formally allied. this will clear up any misapprehensions other nations may have about depth of commitment.

At this point the state of alliance is all that exists, and no actions have been undertaken jointly.

The USA has declined to participate, but the political mood has shifted slightly and there is a slightly better chance the US government will gain diplomatic flexibility.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/16/2014 8:31:09 PM   
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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/18/2014 9:38:53 PM   
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Japan announces that the Soviet Union has threatened to ally with China, a move that WILL result in war with Japan.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/18/2014 11:03:33 PM   
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Well I find it is often in these cases best to have the timeline laid out before commenting.

1) China requests a Alliance with the USSR

2) The USSR declined to accept on the basis that it did not wish to provoke Japan and by association the Axis

3) I received a threatening message from Japan stating that if I accepted Alliance with China I would be attacked by Japan.

4) Now having been threatened the response of the USSR was not to accept alliance but to Guarantee Chinese Independence until September 22 1939.

The USSR will not tolerate threats we will however respond to diplomacy.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/18/2014 11:55:17 PM   
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Japan will not be intimidated. Nor will she bow to outside pressure. Japan will protect her citizens and her interests. China has in the past attacked Japanese troops and citizens while supposedly at peace. If this occurs again Japan will respond. If the Soviets are foolish enough to form a treaty with China Japan will take note of that and provide defenses against Soviet attacks.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/18/2014 11:56:46 PM   
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Except for the Soviets intruding in Japanese spheres of influence, the Japanese have no designs or interests in the Soviet Union.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 1:55:58 AM   
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TANAKA MEMORIAL EXPOSED -- Japan's plans for world conquest

The Chinese intelligence service has obtained a copy of the Japanese strategic planning document which outlines Japan's plans to take over the world. The latest edition of the Chinese publication "時事月報"(Current Affair Monthly) has published the Tanaka Memorial in its entirety. The memorial contains the following assertions:

quote:

In order to take over the world, you need to take over China;
In order to take over China, you need to take over Korea, Taiwan, Hainan, Canton, and Shanghai.
If we succeed in conquering China, the rest of the Asiatic countries and the South Sea countries will fear us and surrender to us.
Then the world will realize that Eastern Asia is ours.


As a result of sharing this nefarious document with the Soviet ambassador, the USSR has seen fit to guarantee Chinese independence. Undoubtedly their exceptionally wise leader Josef Stalin realizes that if China succumbs to renewed Japanese aggression, the USSR could very well be Japan's next target.

The historically peaceful Chinese people convey their gratitude for Soviet support and express the hope that as a result peace will prevail in Asia.



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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 4:16:00 AM   
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Japan prepares for war with more then China.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 11:30:58 AM   
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GOWN Department of Communication : August 24, 1938

GOWN Ministers met at Versailles yesterday to consider the state of the association. Much attention seems to be focused in the East at this time. Sabre rattling by Japan, China, and the USSR puts a focus on the eastern mandates of our three nations. As we struggle with the difficulties of gearing up for defense we are frustrated by any signs of a drift to war. Our eastern lands are valuable, but at extended distances which make them potential targets. Their defense draw our attention, but despite the quiet in Europe we must never lose our focus. There are powerful forces in the world that can threaten our core, and this must be addressed.

To all concerned we want to make clear that our readying military forces continues. Any force that attacks us will be dealing with two allies, and a concerned partner. We are ready to fight as long as necessary to defend our homes. The GOWN nations are not certain that the Soviet entry into the tinderbox of the Far East advances the cause of peace, but then there seems to be an attitude that Peace is on her deathbed, and her flighty daughter Truce is far to insubstantial to fill her mother's shoes.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 2:59:35 PM   
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Just as an aside, I generally get the US active with 7 or 8 percent chance. So you may be close to US activation. )

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 3:37:00 PM   
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The USA is at 4% just now, which should give a 1/25th chance of activation each turn. This should mean a decent
chance of activation occurring in the next year or two. The GOWN allies (GB and FR) do not expect the USA to join
the alliance any time soon, but all parties would welcome the American public's abandonment of isolationism.

GOWN members are preparing for conflict, and an alert USA will be a powerful ally, when conflict comes.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 5:21:52 PM   
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Actually that is not how the activation works.

You need to play the card, and then the game will check if you are going to be activated. There is no check if the card is not played.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 10:19:23 PM   
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Thank's so much for the correction. Expensive little operation that.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 10:21:57 PM   
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Yeah, it is expensive, but it is needed somehow to make the United States spend quite a bit of PPs on something other than industrial improvement and researching ... it balances the game.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 10:47:01 PM   
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Why not just wait for one of the Axis to declare war )

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 11:12:14 PM   
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quote:

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Why not just wait for one of the Axis to declare war )


Because it is not a given that the Axis will ever declare war on the US. Only 1 of Germanys 5 victory conditions require them to take american soil, and only 2 of Japans victory conditions does the same. None of Italys require it. Gambling that the US is going to get declared war on is simply not a good bet.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 11:45:35 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Twotribes
Why not just wait for one of the Axis to declare war )


Because it is not a given that the Axis will ever declare war on the US. Only 1 of Germanys 5 victory conditions require them to take american soil, and only 2 of Japans victory conditions does the same. None of Italys require it. Gambling that the US is going to get declared war on is simply not a good bet.



I usually don't spend a lot early on US activation, like I said it usually happens for me around 7 or 8 percent. Don't think I have ever gone over 10. There is time later for that but then I don't attack till 39 with Germany.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/19/2014 11:57:29 PM   
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Odds, for activation happpening on the 7th attempt (or sooner) are some 31,4%....

EDIT: If i managed to calculate it correctly.

EDIT2: Sorry my bad, its around 25%, just alittle less actually.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/20/2014 1:46:46 AM   
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Did France do the turn? I still see the France turn in drop box.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/20/2014 2:46:47 AM   
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The GOWN nations indeed continue their slow struggle forward. (I saw the turn there at noon, but gaming at work, even on lunch, is a bad idea!)

My nations struggle to produce with limited resources.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/21/2014 1:05:53 AM   
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"My nations struggle to produce with limited resources."

A tear welled up in my eye when I read this. The western Allies with all that Oil all the resources of the British and French Empire's plus the huge resources of the United States. My heart bleeds for the plight of the western allies. The soviet Union has sent a shipment of Vodka to the Western allies so they can drown there woes and sorrows.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/21/2014 1:27:29 AM   
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Actually Great Briton needs to build at least one chem factory before 1940 usually. And of course France must build one right away.

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RE: GD1938 Game 6 - 3/21/2014 1:37:38 AM   
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quote:

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"My nations struggle to produce with limited resources."

A tear welled up in my eye when I read this. The western Allies with all that Oil all the resources of the British and French Empire's plus the huge resources of the United States. My heart bleeds for the plight of the western allies. The soviet Union has sent a shipment of Vodka to the Western allies so they can drown there woes and sorrows.


+1 :)

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