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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/10/2015 9:16:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

L. is sort of playing your game in our game. Not risking the IJN yet. I need VPs and he's not showing some of the richest stores of them to me at this point.

I would caution against being so sure he'll batter himself on the Marianas. He recons the heck out of things and does the math. If you're too strong he'll take another route to 4E heaven. Formosa maybe.



If he goes around the Marianas, I'll consider that a small victory - doing so would leave a long logistics tail very, very exposed.

Still, it's worth considering. I'll be beefing up the garrison of the Bonin's and Luzon shortly. Formosa is going to need to wait for the present...

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But for now the Tabis of the world don't cost him much, but don't get him much. In our game losing Chungking cost me almost 6000 VPs in base, troops, and the huge gifts gained from him building out the infrastructure. (One AF level is an absurd number of VPs. Very hurtful. Owwwww.) A lot of islands needed to get back 6000 beans.


We're just over 2:1 on the VP front, so Loka's need for VP's isn't really critical. Even so, what you say is true: he's been inching forward when he should be making the big jumps.

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Re time, remember that in RL Tarawa didn't happen until nearly 1944 and less than two years later there was a party on the deck of USS Mizzou.


Well, that's true, but then again, the Japanese didn't have the entire KB in '44 either.

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The rate of hardware and LCU arrivals for Loka not only accelerates in 1944--they become Niagara Falls.


Again true. I take some small comfort that I've started to get the first of my own LCU arrivals that will be bulking up my own defenses. I'm interested to see what Loka will do when he's confronted by division sized formations at every major target.

Ideally, I want to cause him a nice big botched landing: troops trapped ashore, carriers tied down trying to providing CAP, shipping exposed to naval and air attack. I can hope...

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You're doing all the right things, but in the immortal words of Mr. Solo, "Great, kid! Don't get cocky!"


It's a long way to '45!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/11/2015 6:34:12 AM   
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Keep in mind though regarding the Allied logistics that no way around is too long. While having the Marianas is nice and helpful its not a necessity. So Loka may very well bypass it. I took them as an afterthought for practice but never had a real need for it. The allies will almost never take any kind of consideration to the length of the logistics chain.

The Allies have so many xAKs in 44 you can easily go all the way around the Fijis and all the way up New Guinea and never ever suffer any shortage whatsoever. So don´t overdo the Marianas. There are many routes to the PIs and Loka is a bright man. He will take the easiest route. Or at least the one that looks the easiest...

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/12/2015 4:50:17 PM   
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Keep in mind though regarding the Allied logistics that no way around is too long. While having the Marianas is nice and helpful its not a necessity. So Loka may very well bypass it. I took them as an afterthought for practice but never had a real need for it. The allies will almost never take any kind of consideration to the length of the logistics chain.

The Allies have so many xAKs in 44 you can easily go all the way around the Fijis and all the way up New Guinea and never ever suffer any shortage whatsoever. So don´t overdo the Marianas. There are many routes to the PIs and Loka is a bright man. He will take the easiest route. Or at least the one that looks the easiest...


I'd hope to make the Allies consider the length of their logistics train if they do decide to go around the Marianas. A long logistics train is a hard to defend logistics train.

If Loka moves CentPac>NW New Guinea>Pillippines/DEI, then I'll base the KB and most of the IJ out of the Marianas and sit on his flank. In an ideal world, I'd send surface raiders to force him to commit some CVEs to escort duty, and then commit the KB to get some cheap VP's.

To be quite honest, I'm viewing the Marianas as a win/win for me: either he comes and takes it and pays the price, or he doesn't and exposes a long logistics train to KB raids.

I'm taking some comfort that my defences from Hansa Bay northwest towards the Phillippines are more or less complete. As with everywhere else, they need more troops, but the airbases and the forts are there, they just need planes and troops.

I just need to keep on holding on. The clocks running down, I get kamis soon, and the first late-war airframes are running off the production lines.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/12/2015 9:43:59 PM   
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There is one nuance of the Marianna's from the Allied side .. especially with stacking limits .. the IJ have to keep
supplies flowing and the rate depends on how committed the IJ are to defending ... That creates a LOC from the HI
to the Marianna's that can be a target of attrition no matter what axis the Allies decide on and escorts take fuel
moving the combined fleet takes fuel ...etc ..

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/13/2015 10:59:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

There is one nuance of the Marianna's from the Allied side .. especially with stacking limits .. the IJ have to keep
supplies flowing and the rate depends on how committed the IJ are to defending ... That creates a LOC from the HI
to the Marianna's that can be a target of attrition no matter what axis the Allies decide on and escorts take fuel
moving the combined fleet takes fuel ...etc ..


That's one thing I hadn't considered. There's a fair bit of open ocean between the HI and the Marianas, and though the Japanese get a good ring of picket bases, there's a big empty stretch of ocean ripe for roaming Fletcher squadrons.

I'll need to look into using Java and Balikipapan to feed the Marianas, at least for the purposes of building up some stockpiles.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/18/2015 3:32:34 AM   
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Why does this AAR have nearly 20k hits?

For me, this ranks up around the big questions like "Are we alone in the universe?"

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/18/2015 7:10:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Why does this AAR have nearly 20k hits?

For me, this ranks up around the big questions like "Are we alone in the universe?"





I heard there are aliens in here ... somewhere.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/23/2015 9:31:30 PM   
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So, the turn is away.

I've either got the full KB in range of a small American CV force, or a dud.

I'll find out shortly.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/23/2015 9:38:58 PM   
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Good luck!

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/23/2015 10:37:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

Why does this AAR have nearly 20k hits?

For me, this ranks up around the big questions like "Are we alone in the universe?"



It has 1000 hits. And a very bored monkey who refreshes a lot.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/23/2015 11:13:56 PM   
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A dud.

All the KB runs into is a squadron of Fletchers.

A short, sharp night knife fight ensues. Moderate damage to three destroyers, slight damage to some carriers. Daylight wiped the Fletchers out.

Allied carriers have ran away. KB will retire. Not a fun turn, especially when Fletchers have carriers in their sight.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/24/2015 2:46:12 AM   
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A dud.

All the KB runs into is a squadron of Fletchers.

A short, sharp night knife fight ensues. Moderate damage to three destroyers, slight damage to some carriers. Daylight wiped the Fletchers out.

Allied carriers have ran away. KB will retire. Not a fun turn, especially when Fletchers have carriers in their sight.


Any of your carriers actually shoot?

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/25/2015 5:22:38 PM   
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October 23rd to November 5th, 1943

Slow turns, as things have been very busy on my end.

North Pacific

Some nuisance raids on Paramushiro-jima sink some of the small auxiliary ships in the harbor. CAP is boosted so it doesn't happen again.

The Akagi is sitting in the shipyards in Tokyo repair the damage two torpedoes caused her, so I'm using her to resize the IJN training groups based in the Home Islands. Most of them are destined to sit up in NorPac and train. Loka has been fairly diligent in his recon efforts up here, but 300 planes looks like 300 planes, regardless of if they're rookies training or the best and brightest Japan has to offer.

Central Pacific

Things are warming up here since Tabiteuea fell. He has occupied the surrounding dot bases, and they're all being built up pretty heavily. Thankfully, it's not been easy for him to make further progress. A commando raid on Maiana was repulsed by the Naval Guard fragment acting as a garrison, and three Allied Seebee units land at Abemama under the assumption that it's empty. Instead they meet a full Naval Guard unit and are forced to withdraw.

There's a back-and-forth air battle raging in CentPac. Tarawa is already useless - the supplies there have been bombed to dust, and Makin is likely to follow shortly. There's little I can do to stop the rampant Fletcher bombardment runs on my bases south of Mili, so it's only a matter of time before I need to abandon them as offensive bases.

The good news is that there's been a steady attrition of Allied ships in the Gilberts - Lokasenna can't cover all his ships well enough to defend against IJN 2E strikes from the Marshalls, and I've managed to sink quite a few xAPs with troops on board. The KB is in the neighborhood, so I might swing them by to blast Tabitueua and sink some shipping before they exit the area.

The situation in the Gilberts. I hope to keep hitting his shipping in the region while he's stuck with only one large airbase.


The main events here was the KB's sortie against Allied carriers off Kusaie. It came to nothing, but the Allies sent a suicide Fletcher force that had me worried for a bit:

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ight Time Surface Combat, near Ponape at 119,116, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CV Hiryu
CV Soryu
CV Shokaku
CV Zuikaku
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
DD Naganami
DD Tamanami
DD Suzunami
DD Fujinami
DD Hayanami

Allied Ships
DD Aulick, Shell hits 1
DD Foote
DD Jenkins, Shell hits 1
DD Strong
DD Trathen
DD Wadsworth, Shell hits 1

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Ponape at 120,116, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga
CV Junyo, Shell hits 2
CV Hiyo, Shell hits 4
CVL Ryujo, Shell hits 4
CVL Shoho, Shell hits 2
CVL Zuiho, Shell hits 1
CVL Ryuho, Shell hits 2, on fire
CVE Hosho
CLAA Tenryu
DD Hatsukaze, Shell hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Natsushio
DD Yukikaze, Shell hits 1, heavy fires
DD Hayashio
DD Maikaze
DD Isokaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 2
DD Nowaki, Shell hits 4, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Aulick, Shell hits 9, heavy fires
DD Foote, Shell hits 1
DD Jenkins, Shell hits 1
DD Strong, Shell hits 2
DD Trathen, Shell hits 1
DD Wadsworth, Shell hits 2




Thankfully, the damage was completely trivial to all the IJN CV's, even though two DD's are out of action. Daylight found the Fletchers in range of the KB and we sank them all.

Narau is being a pain for me, seeing as from there the Allies can make things difficult for me in terms of moving ships around. I'm ramming Kusaie full of supplies and troops, and Ponape won't be far behind.


The KB is now moving to cover a big amphib task force that is dropping troops and supply at Kusaie, and then I'll think about a raid on the Gilberts.

South-West Pacific

Allied CV's were spotted off Townsville at the start of Novebmer, and combined with CVE's floating about around Guadalcanal and various other task forces floating around, I think he's up to something here.

You can see how the Allies are inching closer to Rabual. The good news is there's still some fight left for Japan in this theater, and if I go into 1944 still fighting in the Solomons, I'll consider myself well ahead of the game.


He's been piling the pressure on Shortlands, bombardments, mine sweeping, the works. Looks like it's his next move, so I've plenty of aircraft assembled at Rabual, plus two of the Kongo's, a heavy cruiser force and a light cruiser force. If/when he lands, I'll sortie them in the hope of a favorable night action followed by big daylight strikes from land-based air. I'm tempted to transfer the Yamato's down here, seeing as they'd massively outclass the opposition, but I've never seen an AAR where the Yamato's have fared well in the Solomons.

DEI

Calm here, not much going on. Still no move forward on Darwin, but the Allies have moved aircraft into Gove. I'm debating shifting some squadrons and mounting a big raid on the base, but I'll need to see what I can scrape from the barrel.

Burma

Still no real change here. The Allies bomb without much effect, and my troops march and countermarch to keep hex-sides closed.

There's a big Chinese force amassing in the North of Burma, but the Chinese track record is pretty poor - they look impressive from the recon reports, but in combat they've failed miserably against Japanese troops.

The war moves at a glacial pace in Burma thanks to the poor infrastructure. You can see the two IJN task forces ready to raid Cox's Bazzar. Both are undetected, so hopefully they'll harvest some easy VP's!


The Allies have moved some ships into Cox's Bazzar, so I'm sending a light cruiser force built around the Agano and some fast E-class ships in to raid, just to keep Lokasenna honest. I've moved the mini-KB up to Victoria Point as well, but I'm sending them back to Singapore as they're not really cut out for combat work in their current composition. The slow battleships are all sitting in reserve at Singapore as well.

Industry

I'll do a big update of this later, as things are starting to come online for the late war.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/25/2015 8:00:51 PM   
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You be careful in northern Burma...he has gotta be looking at Tavoy and south or Sumatra.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/25/2015 8:21:25 PM   
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You be careful in northern Burma...he has gotta be looking at Tavoy and south or Sumatra.


With 1944 only just around the corner, I'm starting to worry about this side of the map. Tavoy and the pan-handle is out of his reach I think, at least until he takes the Andamans.

Sumatra and Java are a different story. I've the airbases and plenty of garrison troops, but it's brittle. I've two brigades earmarked for Sumatra, and I'll scrounge up some extra aviation support to ship with them. I could do with more planes here as well, but I can't be strong everywhere, so Sumatra get's shortchanged bar some Nells flying NavSearch in the North and fighters in a ball of yarn patrol over Palembang.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/29/2015 10:51:48 PM   
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November 6th to 9th, 1943

Very brief update.

North Pacific

One brigade arrives as reinforcement, so it's sent to a small base to act as garrison.

Central Pacific

Usual low level of combat here, the Allies bomb Tarawa and Makin while the Japanese float about around the fringes of Allied air cover.

The KB, having looped deep into the Marshalls, will return to Truk.

The Allies land a commando unit on the dot hex island south of Wake Island. IJA paratroopers are en-route to retake it.

Kusaie is rammed full of troops, and CD guns are on the way.

South-West Pacific

A single Australian division storms ashore at Shortlands. For reasons best known to the die gods, over 200 bombers fail to sortie, but from the combat replay Loka used his vast LCT fleet rather than the big APA boys. The Australians should take the base, the Japanese defenders have been starving for the past month or so.

At least one Allied carrier force is wandering about around Ontong Java.

DEI

Ain't nothing happening here...

Burma

The raid on Cox's Bazzar goes off perfectly, we bag an Allied convoy and are gone by daylight.

Allied bombers from India bomb industry in China. I can't be bothered to defend anything other than Chungking and Chengtu, so the rest is being abandoned to Allied firebombings. I've got a year or so out of the industry, so I'll consider myself ahead.


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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/29/2015 11:10:03 PM   
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Industry Update

Current date: 10/11/43

Home Island Stockpile

Supply - 4,212,302
Fuel - 2,080,087
Resources - 10,889,748
Oil - 1,234,734

Fuel is dipping a bit low, seeing as I had a bottleneck at Singapore recently, but it's sorted, so we should hopefully see an increase in the next few weeks.

Oil is good, fuel is great, resources are stable.

Supply is great, considering I've been shipping massive quantities of it out to the front lines.
Production

HI Points: 1,897,911

On track for 2mil HI points, or thereabouts for 1944.

The first of the mid-to-late war airframes have started production.

Ki-100 Tony, Ki-84a, J2M2 and N1K1-J are all up and running.

I've turned off the Zero, Nell, Betty and Tojo production. I've 120 Tojo IIb factories off-line as well, which are waiting for the IIc model before being turned back on - I've heard good things about the IIc model so I'll keep the big assembly line for rear-area CAP or kami use.

R&D

The Ki-84r Frank now has 90 factories rushing it forward. P1Y2 Frances, the Zero night fighter and the Ki-46 night fighter are also being brought forward, and should be good to go in by mid '44. All of these will be very, very handy additions. I look forward to breaking the game even more by using the Zero night fighter to resize IJN night fighter groups to size 81 squadrons.

We should be getting the Peggy T in early '44 as well, so the IJA will get something better than the Lily for anti-shipping.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 3/30/2015 12:50:37 AM   
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Some turns just work out for you.

First we open with this:

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Sub attack near Tabiteuea at 134,134

Japanese Ships
SS I-153, hits 3, heavy damage Sinks due to damage

Allied Ships
CVE Anzio, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA Reno
CLAA Juneau
DD Woodworth
DD Lardner
DE Edward C. Daly
DD Doyle
DD Meade
DD Caldwell

Fuel storage explosion on CVE Anzio
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Anzio

SS I-153 launches 6 torpedoes at CVE Anzio
DD Doyle fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Meade fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Caldwell fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Caldwell fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Caldwell fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Caldwell attacking submerged sub ....
Debris floats to surface in area of attack!
Escort abandons search for sub


Well, I'll trade submarines for CVE's. Fuel and ammo gone makes me think the Anzio is done for. Then again, I said the same about the Wasp, and that carrier is no longer on the sunk list...

I get a real surprise when the turn switches to the Solomons. I'd left the strike aircraft at Rabual on their attack settings for Shortlands in case Lokasenna left some destroyers to cover the lone Australian division.

Imagine my surprise when he starts landing more troops! I think his surprise was even bigger, when 81 Jills and a sizable fighter escort turn up to the party. They may have been late, but they made up for it!

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shortlands at 109,131

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 10
B6N2 Jill x 81
J2M2 Jack x 16
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 16
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 14
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 24

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 7
P-40K Warhawk x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 36
F4U-1 Corsair x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 2 damaged
J2M2 Jack: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
LCI-445
DE Harold C. Thomas, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Carlson, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
PF Long Beach, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
LCI-444, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LCI-446, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
APD Overton
AM Skylark, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AVD Half Moon, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LCI-436
DE Bebas, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
LCI-448, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LCI-447, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk


The first strike of Jills ate all the escorting fighters, so the Judy dive bombers had to plod on without any fighter cover. Thankfully, the Allied LRCAP was already worn down, and what could have been an absolute slaughter turned into a bit of a bloody nose.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Shortlands at 109,131

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 71 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 48
D4Y2 Judy x 70

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 2
P-40K Warhawk x 5
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
F4U-1 Corsair x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 8 destroyed, 3 damaged
D4Y2 Judy: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
LSD Belle Grove, Bomb hits 9, and is sunk
APA American Legion, Bomb hits 8, and is sunk
SC PC-580, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC PC-1084, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
LSD Carter Hall, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC PC-782, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SC PC-781


With the PM phase, the IJA decided to get in on the act as well, sending some Lily's in to drop some more bombs.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shortlands at 109,131

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 59 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 26
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 15
Ki-48-IIb Lily x 17

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 5
P-40K Warhawk x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 19
F4U-1 Corsair x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 3 destroyed
Ki-48-IIb Lily: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-48-IIb Lily: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk IV: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 5 destroyed

Allied Ships
AP Gen. T.H.Bliss, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Ellet, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Dardanus, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


And here's a look at what's going on at ground level in Shortlands:

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Ground combat at Shortlands (109,131)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 9566 troops, 131 guns, 51 vehicles, Assault Value = 446

Defending force 13154 troops, 120 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 218

Assaulting units:
5th Australian Division
164th Infantry Rgt /1

Defending units:
26th Ind.Mixed Brigade
16th Naval Guard Unit
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
37th Const Co
38th Road Const Co
42nd JNAF AF Unit
7th Air Division
13th JNAF AF Unit
60th JNAF AF Unit
101st JAAF AF Bn


The Japanese situation looks alright.

It isn't. No supply and lots of disruption. I've three PB's trying a suicide fast transport run to Torokina in the hope of getting some to the combat units in Shortlands, but it's a long shot. I might turn Boungainville into my Guadalcanal and try at least to hold Torokina. I like the idea - the geography of it works - Rabual and Kavieng are both very hard to reach with the Fletcher raiding forces that mark Lokasenna's advances...may as well fight there than anywhere else I suppose.

At the end of the day, I don't know. It's new ground to me. I want to run the clock down even more now that the Allies are inching forward. How is the question..

I decide it's not worth dashing a heavy cruiser force in to Shortlands in the hope of smashing some Allied surface units. The risk of IJN capital ships is not worth sinking LCI's and other minnows.

Sinking minnows sums up this turn quite nicely, but it's far better than sinking nothing.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/1/2015 5:44:51 PM   
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Ups and downs.

North Pacific

All of the Kuriles bar Uruppu-jima now have at least a token garrison, and as I rebuilt Naval Guard units destroyed elsewhere, I'll send them up here to boost the defenses.

Central Pacific

We have a bit of a tough naval battle off Mili in the Marshalls, trying to beat down roaming Fletcher squadrons and Allied subs:

quote:

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Sub attack near Mili at 136,121

Japanese Ships
CA Atago, Torpedo hits 1
CA Chokai
DD Shigure
DD Shiratsuyu
DD Asashimo

Allied Ships
SS Amberjack, hits 3


quote:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Mili at 136,121, Range 24,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Takao
CA Atago, Shell hits 14, heavy damage Manages to limp to Wotje, I'll try to get her back to Eniwetok for minor repairs.
CA Chokai, Shell hits 2
DD Hamanami, Shell hits 21, and is sunk
DD Asashimo, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shiratsuyu, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Shigure, Shell hits 3, heavy fires

Allied Ships
DD Halford, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Harrison, Shell hits 6
DD Hutchins, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Pringle, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Renshaw, Shell hits 3, on fire


Not what I'd call a good rate of exchange, but sadly a requirement if I want to keep Mili an operational base.

Elsewhere, it's the usual run of bombing missions on Japanese held islands. It's getting to the point that the garrisons of Ocean Island and Tarawa are completely useless for combat. I'll try to spring a LRCAP trap on them for next turn, just to show that I'm paying attention.

South-West Pacific

My plans of making a fight for Torokina and Shortlands are ruined by the mother of all night strikes on November 13th. This is merely one attack, about eight more follow it:

quote:

Night Air attack on Rabaul , at 106,125

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-S Irving x 12

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 7
B-24D1 Liberator x 5
B-24J Liberator x 8
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 12 damaged
J1N1-S Irving: 3 destroyed on ground
D4Y1 Judy: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
G4M1 Betty: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed on ground
D4Y2 Judy: 3 destroyed on ground
J2M2 Jack: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed on ground
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 7 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 33


This renders Rabaul useless as an airbase for several turns where it should have been spewing out bombers to smash Allied amphibious ships off Shortlands and Torokina.

The result of this is that Shortlands falls, and Torokina won't be far behind it. Lokasenna jumped about a month ahead of where I want him to be at this point.

Needless to say, I wasn't too happy. To say that I'm somewhat disappointed that a combination of flak, night fighters and barrage balloons did absolutely nothing productive in defending Rabual is a slight understatement, and I'll not mention the fact that the morale of nearly every air group in Rabual collapsed to the point that entire squadrons were being administered anti-depressants.

Short story: Rabual blitz at night, planes can't fly, Allies take Shortlands and will take Torokina without any serious losses.

But, the IJN didn't disappoint when I sent a fast cruiser force into Torokina for some prey on November 17th:

quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Torokina at 109,130, Range 11,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Mikuma, Shell hits 2
CA Suzuya
DD Shinonome
DD Shirakumo
DD Isonami, Shell hits 2
DD Uranami
DD Akebono
DD Sazanami, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Bennett
DD Dashiell, Shell hits 4, on fire One 20cm hit that wrecked the engines, so one USN DD is out for a bit.
DD Fanning, Shell hits 1
DD Cummings
DD Conyngham
DD Reid
DD Flusser, Shell hits 1


A good result, considering the track record of Allied destroyers so far.

On the ground, I'm starting to re-drawn the lines. New Ireland and New Britain are now the frontline, and I'm pulling back a division from Buna to Lae, as I'm thinking Lokasenna intends to ignore Papua New Guinea in favor of flanking New Britain to the east.


The situation in the SWPAC area. Not good, not good at all.


The IJN will pull out, bar a heavy cruiser force to keep the Allies honest about any bombardments of Rabual and the submarines. I'm going to start pulling aircraft back to the support bases of Kaiveng and Manus Islands - both out of bombardment range of Fletcher groups. I'm also going to dig a small airbase at Namatanai, the dot hex east of Rabual, just so there's two bases that need to be blasted to dust rather than one.

Burma

The poor 104th IJA division gets blasted for days on end from the air as it tries to march across the open ground from the Central Burma plains into the jungle. I do what I can with LRCAP to support them, but Lokasenna is diligent in his sweeps with Lightnings and Thunderbolts. The division is about 50% disabled, but I need them in the jungle to help bolster a Thai division that's screening two Chinese units.


The poor 104th Division can be seen just NW of Schwebo.


I'll keep up with the LRCAP, as it's a great chance to attrition Lokasenna's bomber force and build my pilots experience levels.

China

In the far northern wastes of the map, the Chindits are trying to capture Urmuichi from an IJA cavalry unit and a tank regiment. They'll probably not succeed, but even if they do, there's a 1/3rd fragment of a division making the slow march up here, and that should be enough to turn the tide. If not, I'll divert one of the units that have arrived as reinforcements in China proper up here to overwhelm the Allies.

Behind the lines.

Forts. I'm building forts everywhere I can. The Home Islands, China, Burma, Indochina, Formosa, the Philippines, Java, Sumatra and everywhere else. I'll need them.

USN subs are really starting to be a pain. Besides two heavy cruisers eating a torpedo each, and the Akagi eating two torpedoes, there's a whole host of merchantmen that are suffering. The keenest losses are to my tankers and oilers plying the Balikipapan-Truk route. I've a hoard of 10 kt sub chasers en-route to this area from the Home Islands, so hopefully they'll keep the Allied submarine fleet honest, but I've no high hopes.

My motto is fast becoming "Hold on!". I've the Frank rolling off the production lines, and there's a lot more good stuff on the way.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/1/2015 6:32:32 PM   
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I have been hit with far worse night attacks, albeit not at 2000 feet or lower.

Get some Petes on 10% CAP so that there is something degrading the subsequent bomber waves as Irvings run out of juice and ammo really quickly, best I have had is that they are present for two waves.

Still, you are doing super well, just be careful and don't do anything rash, like me.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/6/2015 10:21:14 PM   
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AE is a real emotional roller-coaster.

North Pacific

Nothing to report.

I need to sort CAP for the industry up here when I get the turn back. Loka should be able to hit something at long range now I'm sure.

Central Pacific

The IJN gets a bloody nose in the Marshalls in a series of battles lasting most of the month.

The first skirmish takes place on the 20th, with a monster Fletcher force marauding into a Japanese cruiser force.

quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Mili at 136,121, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Kako, Shell hits 4
CL Natori, Shell hits 7
CL Abukuma, Shell hits 3
DD Murasame, Shell hits 31, and is sunk
DD Harusame, Shell hits 29, and is sunk
DD Samidare, Shell hits 14, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Bradford
DD Charrette, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Chauncey
DD Conner
DD Cowell
DD Franks, Shell hits 1
DD Heermann, Shell hits 1
DD Hoel, Shell hits 3
DD Kidd, Shell hits 7, on fire
DD Murray, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Abner Read, Shell hits 3
DD Sigourney, Shell hits 2


The Allies retort with a carrier raid on Mili on the 22nd, which catches the IJN ships despite the best efforts of the CAP over the island...

quote:

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Mili at 136,121

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M2 Jack x 10
N1K1-J George x 16
Ki-100-I Tony x 14

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 51
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 34
SBD-5 Dauntless x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 11 destroyed
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Ariake, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CA Takao, Bomb hits 16, and is sunk
DD Shimozuki, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Wakaba, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
CA Chokai, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yugure, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage


To capitalize, Allied troops storm ashore at Tarawa and swiftly take the base.

There's some minor air battles as Japanese aircraft from the northern Marshalls take pot-shots at the various task forces moving around the region while the Allies consolidate their position on Tarawa.

Then, on the 25th, the KB appears on the scene.

quote:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Tarawa at 136,128

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 137 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 41
B6N2 Jill x 7
D4Y1 Judy x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
xAP Poelau Laut, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
xAP Tjisadane, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AK Sculptor, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC-742

Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 40 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 40 (36 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 55 (39 destroyed, 16 disabled)


In other words, a massive failure of a raid. The Allied ships promptly scatter for cover and the KB heads back to Truk with their heads held in shame.

Meanwhile, the defenders of Ocean Island, long starving, are at last completely destroyed by air attack, and Allied ships are spotted heading to claim possession of the cratered island.

It should have been easy, there was no garrison. The island was empty. But the KB wanted some blood.

A suicide sweep of Oscars from Kusaie Island keeps the CAP on Narau Island busy from interfering, with massive losses, while the KB goes to town on several undefended Allied task forces.

quote:

fternoon Air attack on TF, near Ocean Island at 130,130

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 4
A6M5 Zero x 9
A6M5b Zero x 35
B6N2 Jill x 14
D4Y1 Judy x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 10 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 2 damaged

Allied Ships
CL Newcastle, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DMS Hovey, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DMS Hopkins, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CL Montpelier, Bomb hits 1, on fire
APA Leonard Wood, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tenedos
AK Cheleb, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AK Ascella, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA John Penn, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
225 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 60 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (5 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 45 (35 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
1 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
2 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
6 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
12 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
6 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
14 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ocean Island at 131,132

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 7
B6N2 Jill x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
xAK James L. Breck, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
xAK John F. Myers, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Frederick Billings
xAK John W. Hoyt, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Charles G. Coutant

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ocean Island at 130,130

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 41
B6N2 Jill x 12
D4Y1 Judy x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 1 destroyed by flak
D4Y1 Judy: 7 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 2 destroyed by flak

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL Newcastle, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
APA Leonard Wood, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA John Penn, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AK Ascella, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA George F. Elliot, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Tenedos, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Allied ground losses:
1881 casualties reported
Squads: 57 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 50 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 72 (69 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 47 (41 destroyed, 6 disabled)

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ocean Island at 131,132

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 13
B6N2 Jill x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2 Jill: 4 damaged

Allied Ships
xAK John W. Hoyt, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Henry C. Payne, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Jeremiah M. Daily, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Don Marquis, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Frederick Billings
xAK John M. Bozeman, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Charles G. Coutant, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


It's textbook use of the KB for me - no opposition, no serious losses and the KB will run into the upper Marshalls for cover to avoid any Allied carrier force hiding in the wings.

However, as I mentioned to Lokasenna via email, it's nothing in the grand scheme of things. Minnows. However, I'm trying to drive home this notion of every invasion costing him shipping and troops. So far, my track record isn't too great. Shortlands and Tarawa both fell without any serious resistance from me, but hopefully I'll be improving that track record as the Allies work their way closer.

Plus, it feels good to catch Lokasenna on the wrong foot.

South-West Pacific

We catch a bunch of Allied barges and other small ships unloading at Kiriwina Island with a cruiser force. Nice, but not all that useful.

At Torokina, the last units are wiped out . We're officially pushed off Bougainville for good. New Britain and New Ireland are now on the frontline, and I'm shoving troops into New Ireland at a good rate.

After shifting air groups around, I leave Hansa Bay without any aircraft stationed at it. Loka mounts a "recon" raid on the 26th, and follows it up with a larger scale raid on the 27th. But there's a welcome party in the skies...

quote:

]Morning Air attack on Hansa Bay , at 97,121

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 42
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 10

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 6 destroyed, 8 damaged

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Morning Air attack on Hansa Bay , at 97,121

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 25
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 6

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb



I've set up a big Jill group up in Rabaul, along with whatever fighters I can gather. They'll hopefully go after shipping trying to unload at Shortlands. At this point, I'll do anything to slow the Allies down - I really want to see 1944 with the Allies not having passed beyond the New Britain Barrier.

DEI

Supplies and units are moving in to start setting up the second line here. Ambon and Timor are the main benefactors here, as well as Sumatra.

The Allies are creeping up the Australian coast towards Darwin from both the east and the west, so that requires a close eye kept on it. Gove is maxed out as a level 8 airbase...

Burma

The poor 104th Division at last reaches the shelter of the jungle, where the survivors are glad to collapse after continual bombing.

Elsewhere, nothing really is taking place. I've a crack squadron ready to take the Ki-84 Frank, so I'll be trying a limited air offensive in the next few weeks.

I'm debating a limited withdrawal of units in north-eastern Burma and re-focusing the defence on Central Burma. More information to follow shortly.

China

Long range Liberators hit the oil at Sian, totally destroying it. Well, I had a good two years out of it.

Home Islands

Forts and airbases are being built like mad up here. I want to take maximum advantage of the static aviation support and CD units, so those bases with static units are being as developed as far as they can be.

General Thoughts

The IJA is starting to bulk up, and so far, I'm liking what I see. Plenty of brigades that are reinforced to division strength in late-44 are due to arrive in China, so they're ear-marked for Luzon.

The smaller units will be expended in the DEI and on Mindanao, and all the naval guard units I'm buying back will get trips to various Central Pacific Islands.

My recent efforts into ASW efforts seem to be paying off. Apparently the Gato's a goner, and we've hurt a fair few subs in the last few weeks. Tracker tells me ten Allied subs have been sunk in November. Even so, Allied subs have did a good job - the Natori took two torpedoes between Truk and Saipan and will likely sink, and she'll join a whole host of smaller ships that have suffered at the hands of the Allied submarine fleet.

In general, I just need the calendar to keep creeping forward...

< Message edited by mind_messing -- 4/6/2015 11:23:12 PM >

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/16/2015 11:11:58 AM   
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Well, we're holding on. The Japanese Empire is like a boat with several leaks - so far I've enough to plug the leaks, but we're fast getting to the stage where there's little we can do.

North Pacific

Two Fletchers run into Paramushuiro-jima on a bombardment run. One hits a mine and the other does no damage. The first move up here in weeks, so I'll keep an eye out to see if there's a follow-up or if it's just a probe.

The Yamato and Musashi are detached from this theater for duties elsewhere.

Central Pacific

The Allies are consolidating their position in the Gilberts, with 2 and 4 engine bombers raiding the Marshalls every turn or so. I have a big concentration of fighters at Mili, and a smaller concentration at Roi-Namur - enough to keep the Allies honest.

I get sloppy, and the damaged heavy cruiser Agato is caught by 4E's in harbor at Kawajalein. The 500lb bombs don't sink her, but she's more or less a flush-decked ship now - almost all her topside weapons are destroyed. She's trying to limp back to Eniwetok for emergency repairs before heading back to the Home Islands.

South-West Pacific

The Allies get a bombardment of Rabual in by a fast cruiser force when the heavy crusier force I had covering Rabual had pulled back to Truk for repairs:

quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Rabaul at 106,125

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-S Irving: 34 damaged
J1N1-S Irving: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 44 damaged
Ki-45 KAIc Nick: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 20 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 4 destroyed on ground
J2M2 Jack: 40 damaged
J2M2 Jack: 5 destroyed on ground
B6N2 Jill: 29 damaged
B6N2 Jill: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 8 damaged
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed on ground
D4Y1 Judy: 10 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 4 damaged
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K1-J George: 9 damaged
N1K1-J George: 3 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-II Dinah: 23 damaged
Ki-46-II Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
H6K4-L Mavis: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CA Salt Lake City
CL St. Louis
DD Fanning
DD Carmick
DD Satterlee
DD Thompson
DD Gansevoort
DD Frazier
DD Waller
DD Stanly
DD Bennett

Japanese ground losses:
349 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 38 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 12 (3 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Airbase hits 45
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 60


In addition to this, we lose a bunch of small ASW craft, but they're small fry in the grand scheme of things.

We'll abandon Rabual as a major air hub and pull back to Manus and Kaiveng - both are much more difficult to reach. For good measure, we'll throw some extra CD guns down on Rabual as well. I want to stalemate this theater as best I can.

DEI

In a lightning campaign, the Allies make their first in-roads into the DEI. 4E's roar in over the Japanese airbases at 2000ft in daylight and smash them to ruin. Dobo and Taberfane are sized after a short, sharp fight, and Allied troops storm ashore on Saumlaki, but are bogged down by stiff resistance.

An Australian brigade sneaks ashore at Ambon (the garrison was three days out, grrr!), but will either have to be withdrawn by the Allies or destroyed by superior Japanese forces. Darwin is re-occupied by the Allies.

The KB and Mini-KB both intervene, but the results are disappointing - only a small number of unimportant Allied ships are sunk. The most severe loss for the Allies is the heavy cruiser Northampton, which was caught on a bombardment run to Timor. In turn, the IJN loses three destroyers and suffers two torpedoes into the Shokaku by a USN submarine - she's sitting in Babeldoab before moving back to the Home Islands for repairs.

Despite these setbacks, I am feeling pretty good about the situation here. I have strong positions on Ceram and Timor. Allied troops are isolated at Ambon and at Saumlaki. Dobo and Taberfane are distant from the nearest Allied bases at Merauke and Darwin.


The situation in the DEI. Note Saumlaki and Ambon: Allied troops isolated and ripe for destruction.


To that end, I've massed almost the entire IJN at Soerabaja. KB, Mini-KB, the Yamato's and both the fast and slow battleships and nearly all of my remaining cruisers. I've all my combat ready destroyers en-route as well, and I've even went as far as stripping the fast E-class ships that started the war as torpedo boats.

I'm going for the Soviet solution to my problem - mass all my heavy guns on a narrow section of the front and blast the enemy until we win. My goals are as follows:
- Secure and garrison Ambon
- Push Allied troops off of Saumlaki
- If practical, bombard Darwin.
- Attrition Allied naval power.

I'll set up shuttle bombardments of the Allied bases in the Lower DEI and encourage them to come out and fight me on my terms or abandon their troops on the ground.

I'm slightly concerned about what this concentration of the IJN in one theater will do to the Pacific theater, but even with a free hand the Allies still have a lot of distance to cover. Plus, the Allies already out-number me, so I may as well concentrate on the economic heart of my empire.

Burma

As if to drive home the point about being outnumber, the British make an appearance off Rangoon on Dec 14th.

quote:

Night Time Surface Combat, near Rangoon at 54,53, Range 3,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Aoba, Shell hits 22, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Isuzu, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Hakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Shiokaze, Shell hits 1
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Yukaze

Allied Ships
CA Canberra
CA Sussex, Shell hits 2
CA Suffolk, Shell hits 1
CA Frobisher
CL Emerald
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Braine, Shell hits 1
DD Dyson
DD Fullam, Shell hits 2
DD Relentless, Shell hits 3, on fire


Over the course of several engagements, every Japanese ship is sunk. The Allies suffer minimal damage, though the Frobisher collides with Emerald, so it wasn't a complete wash for Japan, right?

Based on this result, I'm pulling the IJN off the Burmese coast. I'll keep some IJN anti-shipping air assets sitting in Rangoon in case the Allies want to bombard Rangoon, but other than some PT boats and small ASW ships, I won't be giving the Allies any more free VP's.

On the ground, there's no real change. I'm pulling troops back down the road from Akyab to better terrain and a shorter front. Apparently the Chinese in Northern Burma are marching back to India. If that's the case, I'll pull everything bar a screening force back to Southern Burma and centralize my defense in the jungles on the Rangoon-Tuang-gyi axis.

There's been some sparring in the air, but the Japanese have came off much the worse for it. It's to be expected when the opposition has Thunderbolts, Mustangs and Spitfires! Nevertheless, it's an impressive achievement that Magwe is still producing oil in late '43.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/16/2015 12:38:44 PM   
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The game has reached a fascinating stage as you try to marshal limited resources to fight back on multiple fronts and the Allied manpower and materiel superiority is really starting to bite. It will be a great bonus if you are able to concentrate enough force to counterattack in the DEI and blunt the Allied advance for a time.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/16/2015 12:57:01 PM   
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The game has reached a fascinating stage as you try to marshal limited resources to fight back on multiple fronts and the Allied manpower and materiel superiority is really starting to bite. It will be a great bonus if you are able to concentrate enough force to counterattack in the DEI and blunt the Allied advance for a time.


To be quite honest, it shouldn't have taken the loss of the Aoba and company to make me realize the Allied material superiority. The wake up call for me should have been the carrier raid on Mili. It is only right that I suffer for making the mistake of using the IJN in penny-packets all around the Empire rather than as a single unified body.

Still, mistakes are the best learning tool.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/16/2015 1:10:22 PM   
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Still, mistakes are the best learning tool.


I totally agree - having made enough of my own! Certainly, it makes sense for Japan to concentrate her forces in an attempt to achieve local superiority. The problem is that, given the distances involved, it takes a long time to get from A to B and then back again if you need to respond to a different emergency...

EDIT: By way of example, in my current mid-42 game I really need the KB to be in the Indian Ocean and the Coral Sea simultaneously. Only time will tell if I have made the correct decision.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/16/2015 1:24:48 PM   
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Still, mistakes are the best learning tool.


I totally agree - having made enough of my own! Certainly, it makes sense for Japan to concentrate her forces in an attempt to achieve local superiority. The problem is that, given the distances involved, it takes a long time to get from A to B and then back again if you need to respond to a different emergency...


That's the only thing that is a real worry for me at present. My solution is pretty extreme.

Burma and the North Pacific aren't getting any naval support - they'll fight with air power alone. The IJN will focus exclusively on the DEI and the Central Pacific.

It's the best solution I can think of - it's a week at most from Soerabaja to Truk, less to Babeldoab. If the Allies are planning any big jumps in CentPac, my second line of bases should give me warning enough to re-position in time. If they make lots of small jumps, good - it helps run the clock down.

Or so I hope.

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EDIT: By way of example, in my current mid-42 game I really need the KB to be in the Indian Ocean and the Coral Sea simultaneously. Only time will tell if I have made the correct decision.


In my view, the best use for the KB in mid-42 is to keep it hidden, and only bring it out if you've got a really worthwhile target. I think, in the long run, you do more damage to the Allied timetable by keeping the KB a threat waiting in the wings than you do by raiding.

Raiding is a hit-or-a-miss affair. For me, to make revealing the KB and the cost in fuel worthwhile, I'd need to sink something really worthwhile.

Keeping the KB hidden, on the other hand, pays off in a passive way. The Allied player needs to consider that the KB could appear at any time anywhere, and that forces plans to become really reined in.

That's not to say don't go raiding. I just wouldn't do it with the KB. The slow CVE's, perhaps, or some of the longer-legged light cruisers.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/18/2015 9:44:27 PM   
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Regarding Burma, I'm faced with a dilemma.

Assuming Magwe's oil is bombed to dust (as it very likely will be at some not-so-distant point in time), is there any real benefit to holding on to Northern Burma and the Central Plains?

I'm torn over the issue. So long as Magwe is intact and producing oil, I want to keep the Allies out of Burma.

So I was considering a limited withdrawal in Burma to the more favorable terrain around Rangoon if/when Magwe no longer cranks out oil.

Advantages:

- Easier supply lines: some stacks have difficulty drawing supply out in the sticks
- More concentrated defense: I'll be able to build a stronger mobile reserve, and possibly free units up for the garrison of Malaya/Sumatra
- Lengths the Allied supply lines: without Rangoon, they're limited to Ramree Island to ram supplies into Burma
- Removes the chance of Allied bombers being able to attack units in the open plains of Burma.
- I'll get the time to pick the terrain I fight over.

Disadvantages:

- Gives the Allies free territory.
- Possibly could lead to an offensive against China (I'd welcome this, the mountain passes to Paoshan makes the Alpine Line look like a couple of open foxholes).
- Might not actually harm Allied logistics: there's no China to air-lift supplies into, and it may be that Burma becomes the next air-bridge...
- May lengthen my lines if the Allies shift their attack towards Thailand.

Anyone with experiance in Burma care to chip in? Am I best to stick with the forward defense in the jungle, or should I consider a limited withdrawal? 1944 is just around the corner, and as soon as Magwe goes Burma loses all intrinsic value for me: it's only worth fighting over to deny it to the Allies.

At any rate, preparations for the defense of Thailand are already well underway.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/18/2015 10:47:27 PM   
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Burma:

Allies will be able to supply themselves thru Ramree eventually.

The biggest danger is having an end run done to you, and it will happen eventually. Tavoy to Hong Kong took Joc what 5 months? Less? Have a plan for that day. Make sure you have lots of transports in the pools.

Falling back behind Magwe still gives you some good defensive terrain, gets you out of the clear.

Perhaps, because you have China you can hold significantly longer.

Just watch out for paratroopers, I know Lok used them already on you, but it seem the Allies have an inexhaustible supply of them.

In your position I would watch out for Sumatra...

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/22/2015 12:48:41 PM   
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My proposed plan for the withdrawal in Burma.

Red: Rangoon line - best troops and most of the artillery park, focused on denying the Allies use of Rangoon for as long as possible.

Blue: Thailand line - deny the Allies a quick route into Thailand with a strong blocking force in x3 terrain behind a river.

White: Mountain line - deny the Allies entrance to China with a strong blocking force in x3 terrain, behind a river and in level 6 forts. The units that arrive in China that I don't bother buying out (IOW, the crap ones) will shore up this sector.



In an ideal world, I'd like to defend the Pegu/Tuangi-Gyu/Lashio axis so that I've decent interior communications, but with so many Chinese in India I don't think that will be possible as my forces will be spread too thin - even with the CEA in Burma it's a lot of hexes.

I'll withdraw nice and slow, hopefully we'll burn the clock off till the end of January.

Anyone with some hands-on experience of Burma in '44 want to chip in? I've no clue what I'm doing here, and I haven't had a clue for some time.

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RE: Wrangling Loki - Mind_Messing (J) vs Lokasenna (A) - 4/22/2015 1:15:06 PM   
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Still, mistakes are the best learning tool.

EDIT: By way of example, in my current mid-42 game I really need the KB to be in the Indian Ocean and the Coral Sea simultaneously. Only time will tell if I have made the correct decision.



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In my view, the best use for the KB in mid-42 is to keep it hidden, and only bring it out if you've got a really worthwhile target. I think, in the long run, you do more damage to the Allied timetable by keeping the KB a threat waiting in the wings than you do by raiding.

Raiding is a hit-or-a-miss affair. For me, to make revealing the KB and the cost in fuel worthwhile, I'd need to sink something really worthwhile.

Keeping the KB hidden, on the other hand, pays off in a passive way. The Allied player needs to consider that the KB could appear at any time anywhere, and that forces plans to become really reined in.

That's not to say don't go raiding. I just wouldn't do it with the KB. The slow CVE's, perhaps, or some of the longer-legged light cruisers.


In general I agree. It does depend on what the Allies are doing though. If it's obvious that their CVs are in one spot (or depleted to the point they can't control an area against even a split KB) then it might be viable to show the KB. When Jocke lost his CVs the KB was kept in the So Pac area very visible, and that definitely limited what the Allies could do there.

I did a lot of raiding in that game, which I most likely would not do again.

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Burma:

Allies will be able to supply themselves thru Ramree eventually.

The biggest danger is having an end run done to you, and it will happen eventually. Tavoy to Hong Kong took Joc what 5 months? Less? Have a plan for that day. Make sure you have lots of transports in the pools.

Falling back behind Magwe still gives you some good defensive terrain, gets you out of the clear.

Perhaps, because you have China you can hold significantly longer.

Just watch out for paratroopers, I know Lok used them already on you, but it seem the Allies have an inexhaustible supply of them.

In your position I would watch out for Sumatra...



Good points.

For Buma holding forward has benefits if the Allies have committed significant assets deep into the jungle areas and you don't think based on the full map that they could land behind you. I held Central Burma until earlier 44 and the area you've outlined in red, blue and white for much longer into late 44. I would now think of a controlled, steady and gradual retreat that would make you less vulnerable to the landing behind along the coasts. Depends on what you have to contest any move to Sumatra/Java and the rest of the DEI plus how far the Allies get toward the PI.

Some players have held central Burma to the end and did not lost an army as I did, but now I think most Allied players wouldn't settle for this situation. Certainly not Loka. You have a China buffer to run to if necessary, but you don't want to fling the doors open to Indochina either.

I like the plan you have outlined and it's possible to hold in good terrain longer than you'd think. I'd also hold Prome, even though it's in the clear, just because it forces a decision to cross a river, and that takes time to prepare for. Also, I like holding Tougoo just for the extra possible forts and denying a closer airfield. You may also consider holding, at least temporarily, the little island base West of Rangoon, whatever it's called. Again, it forces a crossing and if you don't have it he can pile toward Rangoon quickly, plus use that as a very good airfield. Allied fighters are mostly short ranged still.

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