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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 3/13/2016 6:56:42 PM   
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Added DB v443

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ORIGINAL: B52H
James Madison-class submarine (1964-1995)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison-class_submarine



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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 3/13/2016 8:13:59 PM   
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Thanks, added DB v443

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ORIGINAL: kojis

Is this right place to suggest new database entries? If yes, here's some new/old Finnish Defence Forces stuff.

New equipment:

Finnish Air Force 3 new EADS CASA C-295 transport aircraft, one of has ELIN/SIGINT/electronic warfare Dragon Shield roll-on/roll-off system from Lockheed Martin.

  • CC-1 - ELINT/SIGINT version.
  • CC-2 - Normal transport aircraft.
  • CC-3 - Normal transport aircraft.


Finnish Navy 3 new Katanpää-class mine countermeasure vessels with AUV+ROV. Wikipedia -> Katanpää-class_mine_countermeasure_vessel

  • MHC Katanpää
  • MHC Purunpää
  • MHC Vahterpää


Old equipment, but not in a database:

Finnish Navy 3 Pansio class minelayers, minelayer/transport/supply. Wikipedia -> Pansio-class_minelayer

  • FNS Pansio
  • FNS Pyhäranta
  • FNS Porkkala


PS. I can't post direct link's.



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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 3/13/2016 10:45:25 PM   
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[UPDATED DB v443]

About Su-35S loadouts and R-77(RVV-AE) vs R-77-1(RVV-SD) in RuAF

in database there is "light" loadout with 2xRVV-AE and 2xR-73M
while in Hmeymim it it is 2xR-77-1(RVV-SD) 2xR-27TE and 2xR-73M for Su-35S :
http://i.imgur.com/bVGJGbO.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpVEWipSx5k

also if we look at Su-35S from 23 IAP regiment of RuAF we can see interesting configurations of pylons they use, even without missile it is still interesting
6x AKU-170 (for R-77 family missiles) 2x APU-470 (launcher with liquid nitrogen for R-27T/TE seeker) 2xAPU-73 with R-73(M or L)

So, maybe "Heavy" loadout for Su-35S should recive + 2 R-27TE ?

also about RVV-AE vs RVV-SD in RuAF planes loadouts
Russian MoD don buy R-77 or RVV-AE in 90s , in 2003 they starting R-77-1 programm and in 2015 there is first big contract for R-77-1 :
http://zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/za44/view/common-info.html?regNumber=0173100004515001647 in russian
there is no RVV-AE contract for RuAF and no RVV-AE in RuAF arsenals (except in Akhtubins for demonstration and testing for foreing customers)
So, RVV-AE on Russian planes especially after 2015 is , well unrealistic
maybee it is make sense to change all RVV-AE in Su-35S,Su-34,Su-30SM,SU-27SM,Mig-29SMT,Mig-29K/KUB,Mig31BM loadouts after 2015 to R-77-1(RVV-SD) ?

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 3/14/2016 1:38:51 AM   
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Hello! Just want to ask if designation fixes are still something you guys are interested of looking into? I understood it was a welcome aid for you, so I continued to write down stuff over the past six months. The list has now again reached considerable length. It's not a big deal, just asking before I get hammered for posting this.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 3/14/2016 5:36:17 AM   
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[UPDATED DB v443 + NEED MORE INFO]

Hi guys, i want to put a request for a new platform.

Indonesia

331 KRI Martadinata (Sigma 10514 PKR)
displacement: 2365 tons (full)
length: 105.11 m
beam: 14.02 m
draught: 3.7 m
propulsion: CODOE, 2x 10000kW Diesel engines and 2x 1300kW Electric motors
speed: 28 knots maximum
range: 5000 Nm at 14 knots
complement: 120 persons
aviation facilities: max 10 tons helicopter
boats: 2x RHIB
sensors:
- Smart-S Mk.2
- Scout Mk.2
- STIR 1.2 STING fire control system
- Kingklip ums 4132 hull mounted sonar
- captas 2 variable depth sonar
- vigile 100 esm
- scorpion ecm
armaments:
- 1x oto melara 76mm main gun
- 1x rheinmetall millenium 35mm CIWS
- 8x mm40 exocet block III
- 12 mica VL
- 2x triple torpedo launchers


She has just been launched last month and currently undergoing sea trial.
Currently i'm using #2366 as temporary platform and modifying its armaments so it will be similiar to this ship.

sources: navyrecognition -> sigma 10514 pkr frigate indonesia
thales7seas website -> pkr platform indonesia

plus, some adjustments for aircraft.

#4083 & #4084 (F-16CJ & F-16DJ Falcon)
Apparently Indonesia already bought a number of aim-120c7 and aim9x2 missiles, perhaps they can be added into the loadout. I found this info from DSCA release and jane's article.

#3209 (Su-30MK2 Flanker G)
For the flanker, based on SIPRI records and jane's article plus some photos, Indonesia already have in their inventory some of KH-31P and KH-59ME. Few adjustments in the loadout would be good.

By the way, i'm just posting these here. I really appreciated for what the dev have done so far.
Thanks for considering these



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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 3/14/2016 7:32:03 AM   
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Thanks!

Do you know the operational status of this system (both land and naval)?

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ORIGINAL: Triode


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ORIGINAL: emsoy



Do you have more info on this upgrade? New missiles? New radar?



about OSA-AKM1 (9A33BM4) :
"increasing the reliability and performance of electronic equipment, the replacement of TOV (TV Optical Vizir) by electronic-optical system with a thermal channel , improving habitability conditions of the crew, etc. To do this, BM is equipped with air conditioning, a thermal imager, a system of passive radar system L-150(RWR) , a complex optical-electronic suppression "Purga"(smokescreen/chaff) On request, the BM can be equipped with control and recording equipment KZA-058, OU-1 distraction device for protection against ARMs and improved launcher for use a target complex "Saman-M"

missile is 9M33M3, radar like on OSA-AKM(9M33BM3) , new digital managment system based on Tor-M2U

modernized OSA-MA( upgrade based on OSA-AKM1 ) inteded for MPK project 1124 / 1124M

OSA-AKM1 (with "Saman-M" target):

OSA-AKM :


notice difference in optical stations above radar



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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 3/14/2016 7:47:43 AM   
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Yes please, that would be very helpful

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ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

Hello! Just want to ask if designation fixes are still something you guys are interested of looking into? I understood it was a welcome aid for you, so I continued to write down stuff over the past six months. The list has now again reached considerable length. It's not a big deal, just asking before I get hammered for posting this.



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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 3/14/2016 8:03:06 AM   
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Not bad, thanks for the read

Not much to go on technically though, so would be difficult to add...

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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

http://www.popsci.com/new-chinese-ballistic-missiles-crashes-battlefield-party-with-cluster-munitions

since some improvements on chinese missiles are announced, is there a chance for a DF-16 (and other SRBM/MRBM) variants equipped with both guided and unguided cluster warheads for runway cratering and destroying groups of mobile soft-targets? It seems that this capability has been confirmed of some sort for the 1000km ranged DF-16B.



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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 3/14/2016 8:51:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Not bad, thanks for the read

Not much to go on technically though, so would be difficult to add...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

http://www.popsci.com/new-chinese-ballistic-missiles-crashes-battlefield-party-with-cluster-munitions

since some improvements on chinese missiles are announced, is there a chance for a DF-16 (and other SRBM/MRBM) variants equipped with both guided and unguided cluster warheads for runway cratering and destroying groups of mobile soft-targets? It seems that this capability has been confirmed of some sort for the 1000km ranged DF-16B.



It's a difficult find since nobody believe DF-16 until the 2015 parade, and was presumed as an upgrade of DF-15 before.

Reco also have it reported, but the information is still vague:



http://www.armyrecognition.com/armies_in_the_world_analysis_focus/list_and_anlaysis_of_military_equipment_and_armoured_chinese_army_parade_3_september_2015_10609153.html

For a conservative approach that not making it an OP land-strike weapon, let's just make a conventional RV version of it. We will find more about other warhead variations.

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ORIGINAL: dsatya

#4083 & #4084 (F-16CJ & F-16DJ Falcon)
Apparently Indonesia already bought a number of aim-120c7 and aim9x2 missiles, perhaps they can be added into the loadout. I found this info from DSCA release and jane's article.


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http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/indonesia-aim-120c-7-advanced-medium-range-air-air-missiles-amraams

You're welcome.

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RE: Harpoon Block II+ - 3/14/2016 7:59:55 PM   
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Added, thanks for the heads-up!

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ORIGINAL: SASR

New air-launched Harpoon variant for the USN, the Block II+

http://www.seapowermagazine.org/stories/20151119-harpoon.html

Designation: AGM-84N Block II+
Platforms: F/A-18E/F Super Hornet
IOC: 2017

Loadouts with the AGM-84N will probably the same as with the previous harpoon variants

Additions over previous Harpoon variants are a datalink and GPS guidance kit.

From: http://www.seaforces.org/wpnsys/SURFACE/RGM-84-Harpoon.htm

"On 18 November 2015, the U.S. Navy tested the AGM-84N Harpoon Block II+ missile against a moving ship target. The Block II+ incorporates an improved GPS guidance kit and a net-enabled data-link that allows the missile to receive in-flight targeting updates. The Block II+ is planned to enter service in 2017."

Also, I found a link to .mil site citing the range of the AGM-84L as 100 nautical miles (its 75 miles in the DB), so this new Harpoon should be the same in terms of range

From: http://www.hill.af.mil/library/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=5712

"The air-launched version is designated AGM-84. It is powered by a Teledyne/CAE J402 turbojet and has a maximum range of around 100 nautical miles"

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[UPDATED DB v443]

This list contains suggestions to fix designations as well as classification and service dates. In some cases I'm only propossing a change to help standardize naming confentions across the DB.

Fixed-wing:

#73 - A-4AR Skyhawk --> A-4AR Fightinghawk
#1539 - A-4KU Skyhawk [AF-1] --> A-4KU Skyhawk [AF-1 Falcao]
#4396 - A-4KU Skyhawk [AF-1M] --> A-4KU Skyhawk [AF-1M Falcao]
#3617 - TA-4KU Skyhawk [AF-1A] --> TA-4KU Skyhawk [AF-1A Falcao]
#4397 - TA-4KU Skyhawk [AF-1MA] --> TA-4KU Skyhawk [AF-1MA Falcao]
#187 - F.27-200-MAR Maritime --> F-27-200MAR Maritime
#2104 - Boeing 707 Phalcon AEW --> Boeing 707 Phalcon AEW [EB-707 Condor]
#3217 - C-130J Hercules --> C-130J-30 Hercules
#4038 - Searcher II UAV --> Searcher II [Forpost] UAV (According to Ukrainian sources, Russia produced 12 drones of which one has already been shot down)
#1453 - C-130A Hercules [L-100-20] --> L-100-20 Hercules
#4447 - J-11BS Flanker B [Su-27SK Copy] --> J-11BS Flanker B [Su-27UBK Copy]
#4448 - J-11BS Flanker B [Su-27SK Copy] --> J-11BS Flanker B [Su-27UBK Copy]
#4449 - J-11BH Flanker B [Su-27SK Copy] --> J-11BSH Flanker B [Su-27UBK Copy]
#1995 - IDF Ching-Kuo [F-CK-1A] --> F-CK-1A Ching Kuo
#144 - IDF Ching-Kuo [F-CK-1A] --> F-CK-1A Ching Kuo
#3794 - IDF Ching-Kuo [F-CK-1A] MLU --> F-CK-1C Hsiung Ying (Project Hsiang Chang Upgrade, upgraded F-CK-1A are being designated F-CK-1C Hsiung Ying)
#3795 - IDF Ching-Kuo [F-CK-1A] MLU --> F-CK-1C Hsiung Ying
#3792 - IDF Ching-Kuo [F-CK-1B] --> F-CK-1B Ching Kuo
#3793 - IDF Ching-Kuo [F-CK-1B] --> F-CK-1B Ching Kuo
#3797 - IDF Ching-Kuo [F-CK-1B] MLU --> F-CK-1D Hsiung Ying (Project Hsiang Chang Upgrade, upgraded F-CK-1B are being designated F-CK-1D Hsiung Ying)
#3796 - IDF Ching-Kuo [F-CK-1B] MLU --> F-CK-1D Hsiung Ying
#1235 - F-16A Falcon --> F-16AM Falcon MLU
#3431 - F-16B Falcon --> F-16BM Falcon MLU
#2892 - C-27A Spartan [G.222] --> G.222A (The designation C-27A Spartan was only used for the US variant. All other customers used designations origined from the original Italian one)
#1117 - C-27A Spartan [G.222] --> G.222A [C-222A]
#2093 - C-27A Spartan [G.222] --> G.222L
#1641 - C-27A Spartan [G.222VS] --> G.222VS [EC-222]
#3204 - C-27J Spartan [G.222] --> C-27J Spartan (The C-27J was developed from the Aeritalia G.222. Couldn't find any operator that uses the designation of the old aircrafts for this new version. Even the Italians themself use designations similar to the US one)
#613 - C-27J Spartan [G.222] --> C-27J Spartan
#3941 - MC-27J Praetorian [G.222] Pocket Gunship --> MC-27J Praetorian Pocket Gunship
#98 - Tornado ECR --> PA-200 Tornado ECR
#2171 - Tornado ECR --> PA-200 Tornado ECR
#1635 - Tornado ECR --> PA-200 Tornado ECR
#3809 - Tornado ECR --> PA-200 Tornado ECR
#1035 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#995 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#963 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#102 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#1865 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#396 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#1637 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#2699 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#3808 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#1042 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#1866 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#2170 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#395 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#945 - Tornado ADV --> PA-200 Tornado ADV (Operational within the Italian Air Force till 2004)
#949 - Tornado ECR --> PA-200 Tornado ECR [EA-200B]
#950 - Tornado ECR --> PA-200 Tornado ECR [EA-200B]
#3806 - Tornado ECR --> PA-200 Tornado ECR [EA-200B]
#3327 - Tornado ECR MLU --> PA-200 Tornado ECR [EA-200D] (Tornado EA-200B MLUs became EA-200D. Add MLU as side note?)
#401 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS [A-200A]
#1112 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS [A-200A]
#402 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS [A-200A]
#1944 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS [A-200A]
#1867 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS [A-200C] (Tornado A-200A MLUs became A-200C)
#413 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS [A-200C]
#3807 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS [A-200C]
#3328 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS [A-200C]
#1022 - Tornado ADV --> PA-200 Tornado ADV
#403 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#409 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#3894 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#3893 - Tornado IDS --> PA-200 Tornado IDS
#437 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon --> EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon [F-2000A]
#2601 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon --> EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon [F-2000A]
#3228 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon --> EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon [F-2000A]
#3635 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon --> EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon Two-Seater [TF-2000A]
#3636 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon --> EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon Two-Seater [TF-2000A]
#3637 - EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon --> EF2000 Eurofighter Typhoon Two-Seater [TF-2000A]
#1075 - ATR-42MP Surveyor --> ATR-42MP-400 Surveyor [P-42A]
#2598 - ATR-72-ASW --> ATR-72 ASW [P-72A]
#835 - AV-8S Harrier [VA-1A Matador] --> AV-8S Harrier [VA.1A Matador]
#1631 - AV-8S Harrier [VA-1A Matador] --> AV-8S Harrier [VA.1A Matador]
#899 - AV-8B Harrier II [Day-Only] --> AV-8B Harrier II [EAV-8B Day-Only, VA.1B Matador II]
#1193 - AV-8B Harrier II+ [Day-Only] --> AV-8B Harrier II+ [EAV-8B Night Attack, VA.1B Matador II]
#1193 - AV-8B Harrier II+ [Day-Only] --> AV-8B Harrier II+ [EAV-8B Night Attack, VA.1B Matador II]
#3239 - Boeing 707 T/T --> Boeing 707-331B Tanker [TK.17]
#3154 - Boeing 707-351C Santiago [ELINT Mod] --> Boeing 707-351C Santiago [TM.17] (Add ELINT or ELINT Mod as side note?)
#3928 - EC.665 Tigre HADE [HA-28] --> EC.665 Tigre HADE [HA.28]
#3927 - EC.665 Tigre HAP [HA-28] --> EC.665 Tigre HAP [HA.28]
#2599 - CN-235MPA Persuader [D.4, VIGMA] --> CN-235MPA Persuader [T.19B, VIGMA] (The Spanish Air Force uses the term "D.4" as well as "T.19B" for its CN-235 SAR fleet whereas the Guardia Civil only uses "T.19B")
#3310 - BZK-00X Wing Loong [Pterodactyl] UAV --> WD-1K Wing Loong [Pterodactyl] UAV
#1847 - Hawk 60 (Retired from service in 2011)
#1848 - Hawk 60A (Retired from service in 2011)
#3542 - F-16DJ Blk 52 Falcon [KF-16C] --> F-16DJ Blk 52 Falcon [KF-16D]
#3543 - F-16DJ Blk 52 Falcon [KF-16C] --> F-16DJ Blk 52 Falcon [KF-16D]
#3544 - F-16DJ Blk 52 Falcon [KF-16C] --> F-16DJ Blk 52 Falcon [KF-16D]


Rotary-wing:

#801 - Dhruv ALH --> ALH Dhruv Mk I/II
#1433 - Mi-26 Halo --> Mi-26T Halo
#654 - NH90 NFH [Sea Lion] --> NH90 NTH [Sea Lion] (Deliveries of the first three helicopters set for 2019)
#2348 - HKp-14F [NH90 TTH] --> HKp-14F [NH90 TTT] (Operated by the Swedish Air Force)
#2349 - HKp-14E [NH90 TTH] --> HKp-14E [NH90 TTT] (Operated by the Swedish Air Force)
#2354 - NH90 TTH --> NH90 TTT
#876 - AW.101 Merlin Mk.112 HEW --> AW.101 Merlin Mk.112 HEW [EH-101A]
#1969 - AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW --> AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW [SH-101A]
#649 - AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW --> AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW [SH-101A]
#2162 - AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW --> AW.101 Mk.110 Merlin ASW [SH-101A]
#877 - AW.101 Mk.413 Merlin Utility ASH --> AW.101 Mk.413 Merlin ASH [MH-101A]
#4463 - AW.101 Mk.611 Merlin [HH-101A Ceasar] --> AW.101 Mk.611 Merlin CSAR [HH-101A Ceasar]
#2400 - AW101 Mk.410 Merlin Utility TTH --> AW.101 Mk.410 Merlin TTH [UH-101A]


Ship:

#2925 - Type 073A Yunshu [941] --> Type 073A Yunshu [941 Shengshanhao]
#2495 - Type 054A++ Jiangkai II [576 Huangshi] --> Type 054A++ Jiangkai II [576 Daqing] (or 572 Huangshi)
#2772 - PF 15 Gregorio del Pilar [Hamilton Class] --> PF 16 Ramon Alcaraz [Hamilton Class] (The specs of this DB entry only apply to the second Philippine Hamilton Class vessel, the Ramon Alcaraz, therefor this suggestion...)
#1369 - KV Nordkapp [W 320] --> W 320 Nordkapp
#1370 - KV Nordkapp [W 320] --> W 320 Nordkapp
#1722 - KV Nordkapp [W 320] --> W 320 Nordkapp
#1876 - KV Nordkapp [W 320] --> W 320 Nordkapp
#2966 - KV Harstad [W 318] --> W 318 Harstad
#2965 - KV Svalbard [W 303] --> W 303 Svalbard
#2796 - KV Svalbard [W 303] --> W 303 Svalbard
#655 - A 5203 Berrio [Rover Class] --> A 5210 Berrio [Rover Class]
#2611 - T91 Los Frailes [Damen Stan Lander 5612] --> T 91 Los Frailes [Damen Stan Lander 5612] (Designated as Fleet Oiler in DB, should be some sort of LCU)
#1692 - 93 Valdivia [Newport] --> LST 93 Valdivia [Newport]
#2068 - DDG Hobart --> DDG 39 Hobart
#2309 - BDK Vitse Admiral Ivan Gren [Pr.1171.1] --> BDK Ivan Gren [Pr.1171.1] (Although being named after Vice Admiral Ivan Gren, the ship will be commissioned just as "Ivan Gren". Transfer to the Russian Navy was projected for June this year but has already been postponed to 2nd quarter 2016)
#2839 - Rubin [Pr.22460 Okhotnik] --> PSKR Rubin [Pr.22460 Okhotnik]
#2883 - SKR Dagestan [Pr.1166.1K] --> SKR Gepard Mod [Pr.1166.1K]
#2411 - MRK Buyan Mod [Pr.21631] --> MRK Buyan Mod [Pr.21631 Buyan-M]
#681 - R 23 Vikramaditya [Gorshkov] --> R 33 Vikramaditya [Gorshkov]
#809 - F 23 Brahmaputra [Mod Godavari] --> F 31 Brahmaputra [Mod Godavari]
#1717 - F 23 Brahmaputra [Mod Godavari] --> F 31 Brahmaputra [Mod Godavari]
#1508 - Project 108 Frosch I [Hoyerswerda] --> 611 Hoyerswerda [Pr.109 Frosch I]
#1509 - Project 109 Frosch II --> E 35 Nordpferd [Pr.109 Frosch II]
#2254 - Project 109 Frosch II --> E 35 Nordpferd [Pr.109 Frosch II] (Hullnumber changed to E 171 between 1986 and 1990)
#1489 - Project 1159 Koni --> 141 Rostock [Pr.1159 Koni]
#260 - Project 1241 Tarantul I [Pr.1241.1T] --> 771 Albin Köbis [Tarantul I, Pr.1241RE] (Later 571 Albin Köbis)
#1485 - Project 131.400 Libelle --> 911 [Pr.131.400 Libelle] (No names, only hullnumbers)
#1531 - Project 133.1 Parchim --> 241 Wismar [Pr.133.1 Parchim]
#1488 - Project 205 Osa I --> 751 Max Reichpietsch [Pr.205 Osa I]
#1486 - Project 206 Shershen --> 43 Artur Becker [Pr.206 Shershen] (Later 816 Artur Becker)
#35 - P 6121 Gepard [Type 143] --> P 6121 S 71 Gepard [Type 143A]
#1388 - P 6121 Gepard [Type 143] --> P 6121 S 71 Gepard [Type 143A]
#263 - P 6121 Gepard [Type 143] --> P 6121 S 71 Gepard [Type 143A]
#875 - P 6121 Gepard [Type 143] --> P 6121 S 71 Gepard [Type 143A]
#1381 - P 6121 Gepard [Type 143] --> P 6121 S 71 Gepard [Type 143A]
#1387 - P 6141 Tiger [Type 148] --> P 6141 S 41 Tiger [Type 148]
#567 - P 6141 Tiger [Type 148] --> P 6141 S 41 Tiger [Type 148]
#387 - P 6141 Tiger [Type 148] --> P 6141 S 41 Tiger [Type 148]
#1143 - P 333 Meltem [FPB-57 Mod, Kilic] --> P 333 Tufan [FPB-57 Mod, Kilic II]
#904 - F 490 Gaziantep [Perry] --> F 490 Gaziantep [Perry, Gabya Class]
#1135 - F 490 Gaziantep [Perry] --> F 490 Gaziantep [Perry, Gabya Class]
#2836 - F 490 Gaziantep [Perry] --> F 490 Gaziantep [Perry, Gabya Class]
#2479 - F 495 Gediz [Perry] --> F 495 Gediz [Perry, Gabya Class]
#2835 - F 495 Gediz [Perry] --> F 495 Gediz [Perry, Gabya Class]
#1619 - N 123 Sarucabey --> NL 123 Sarucabey
#2457 - C-151 LCT --> C 151 [LCT]
#1357 - 11 Marasesti --> F 111 Marasesti
#298 - P 5702 Istialal --> P 5702 Istiqlal
#1878 - P 5702 Istialal --> P 5702 Istiqlal
#2658 - 618 Tuo River [Hsun Hai] --> 618 Tuo Chiang [Hsun Hai] (Chinese names have been used for all other Taiwanese vessels?)
#2361 - D 66 Bengaluru [Pr.15B] --> D 66 Visakhapatnam [Pr.15B]
#494 - Dvora MkII [Super Dvora MkI] --> T 80 [Super Dvora MkI]
#33 - SKR Krivak I Mod [Pr.1135.2 Burevestnik] --> SKR Krivak IV [Pr.1135.2 Burevestnik] (Krivak I Mod maybe as a side note, last modified ship decommissioned 2012)
#818 - F 40 Talwar [PR.1135.6 Krivak IV] --> F 40 Talwar [Pr.1135.6] (Exportversion based on the Krivak III)
#2010 - F 45 Teg [PR.1135.6 Krivak IV] --> F 45 Teg [PR.1135.6]
#2777 - F 45 Teg [PR.1135.6 Krivak IV] --> F 45 Teg [PR.1135.6]
#2533 - U 130 Hetman Sahaydachniy [Krivak III Pr.1135.1 Nerei] --> U 130 Hetman Sahaydachniy [Pr.1135.1 Krivak III]
#158 - EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956] --> EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956 Sarych]
#2111 - EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956] --> EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956 Sarych]
#1287 - EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956] --> EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956 Sarych]
#632 - EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956] --> EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956 Sarych]
#434 - EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956] --> EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956 Sarych]
#688 - EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956A] --> EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956A Sarych]
#732 - EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956A] --> EM Sovremenny I [Pr.956A Sarych]
#1498 - BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155] --> BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155 Fregat]
#2837 - BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155] --> BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155 Fregat]
#1481 - BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155] --> BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155 Fregat]
#156 - BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155] --> BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155 Fregat]
#1912 - BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155] --> BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155 Fregat]
#631 - BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155] --> BPK Udaloy I [PR.1155 Fregat]
#38 - BPK Udaloy II [PR.1155.1] --> BPK Udaloy II [PR.1155.1 Fregat-M]
#67 - BDK Ivan Rogov [Pr.1174] --> BDK Ivan Rogov [Pr.1174 Nosorog]
#2327 - BDK Ivan Rogov [Pr.1174] --> BDK Ivan Rogov [Pr.1174 Nosorog]
#618 - BDK Ivan Rogov [Pr.1174] --> BDK Ivan Rogov [Pr.1174 Nosorog]
#1913 - MDK Aist [Pr.1232.1] --> MDK Aist [Pr.1232.1 Dzheyran]
#371 - MDK Aist [Pr.1232.1] --> MDK Aist [Pr.1232.1 Dzheyran]
#642 - MT Natya I [Pr.266M] --> MT Natya I [Pr.266M Akvamarin]
#2020 - MT Natya I [Pr.266M] --> MT Natya I [Pr.266M Akvamarin]
#2615 - 111 Ras Al Gehis [Pr.266M Natya] --> 111 Ras Al Gehis [Pr.266M Natya I]
#2403 - M 62 Porbandar [Pr.266M] --> M 62 Porbandar [Pr.266M Natya I]
#2528 - U 310 Zhovti Vodi [Natya I Pr.266M] --> U 310 Zhovti Vodi [Pr.266M Natya I]
#1354 - PRTB Amga [Pr.1791] --> PRTB Amga [Pr.1791 Kalmar]
#2216 - PRTB Amga [Pr.1791] --> PRTB Amga [Pr.1791 Kalmar]
#65 - RKR Kynda [Pr.58] --> RKR Kynda [Pr.58 Grozny]
#1947 - RKR Kynda [Pr.58] --> RKR Kynda [Pr.58 Grozny]
#1969 - LDK Dobrynya Nikitich [Pr.97] (Last active ship in service until 1.6.2012)
#1497 - BPK Kara [Pr.1134B Berkut B] (Last active ship damaged by fire on 4.11.2014. Scrapped in 2015)
#1945 - BPK Kashin [Pr.61] (Last active ship in service until 16.03.1998)
#499 - BPK Kashin Mod [Pr.61M] (The last ship of Project 61M served until 3.05.2001)
#1441 - A 302 Outeniqua [Ivan Papanin Class] (Decommissioned on 30.6.2004 as the ship wasn't suitable to support the new Meko-class frigates)
#1439 - F 145 Amatola [Meko A-200SAN] --> F 145 Amatola [Meko A-200SAN, Valour Class] (Is classified as Corvette in DB, should be FFG)
#2222 - L 61 Juan Carlos --> L 61 Juan Carlos I


Submarine:

#553 - SSN 792 [Virginia Class, Flight IV] --> SSN 792 Vermont [Virginia Class, Flight IV]
#601 - SS 30 Intrepido [Type 206A] (Transferred to Colombia late 2015, in service probably 2016)
#9 - S 101 Manthatisi [Type 209-1400 Heroine] --> S 101 Manthatisi [Type 209-1400, Heroine Class]
#34 - PLA-971M Akula II --> PLA-971M Akula II [Shchuka-B]
#571 - S 71 Chakra II [PLA-971M Akula II] --> S 71 Chakra [PLA-971I Akula II] (laid down as Project 971M Shchuka-B, after restoration Project 971I Irbis)
#393 - PLARB-667AU Yankee I [Navaga] --> PLARB-667AU Yankee I [Nalim]
#50 - PLARK-667AT Yankee Notch --> PLARK-667AT Yankee Notch [Grusha]
#4 - PLARK-667AT Yankee Notch --> PLARK-667AT Yankee Notch [Grusha]
#608 - PLASN-9786 Delta III Strech --> PLASN-9786 Delta III Stretch
#227 - S 61 Delfin [Daphne S 60] --> S 61 Delfin [Daphne, S-60] (Tried to sync the names with the new Spanish S-80A class.)
#211 - S 61 Delfin [Daphne S 60] --> S 61 Delfin [Daphne, S-60]
#264 - S 61 Delfin [Daphne S 60] --> S 61 Delfin [Daphne, S-60]
#209 - S 71 Galerna [Agosta] --> S 71 Galerna [Agosta, S-70]
#208 - S 71 Galerna [Agosta] --> S 71 Galerna [Agosta, S-70]
#495 - S 71 Galerna [Agosta] --> S 71 Galerna [Agosta, S-70]


Facility:

#555 - SAM Plt (RBS 70 Mk1 VML x 2) --> SAM Plt (RBS 70 Mk1 VLM x 2)


Weapons:

#1667 - RIM-156A SM-2MR Blk IV --> RIM-156A SM-2ER Blk IV
#2580 - RIM-156A SM-2MR Blk IV [Anit-ASBM Mod] --> RIM-156A SM-2ER Blk IV [Anit-ASBM Mod]
#885 - RIM-156A SM-2MR Blk IVA --> RIM-156A SM-2ER Blk IVA


Sensors:

#462 - Front Door C --> Front Door C [Argon 1164]
#3416 - Light Bulb --> Light Bulb [Pricep]


Mounts:

#2246 - SA-N-21c Grizzly VLS [12 Cells] --> 3K96 Redut VLS [12 Cells]
#2247 - SA-N-21c Grizzly VLS [8 Cells] --> 3K96 Redut VLS [8 Cells]
#2744 - BM-3 Shturm Combat Module --> BM-5M.01 Katran-M


I know this sort of stuff is time consuming as hell so thanks a lot for time and efforts!

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Impressive weapon, added!

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ORIGINAL: SASR

Two of Russia's refitted Kirov-class battle cruisers will get the 3M22 Zircon Hypersonic Anti-Ship Missile


Used in the 3S-14-11442M VLS

From: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3587
As was reported in the press, the Sevmash Shipyard and the Special Machinebuilding Design Bureau (KBSM, a subsidiary of Almaz-Antei) made a deal for 10 3S-14-11442M vertical launch systems (VLS) to equip the Project 11442M Admiral Nakhimov missile cruiser being upgraded now. Thus, the ship’s 20 inclined below-deck launchers of P-700 Granit antiship missiles (SS-N-19 Shipwreck) will be replaced with 10 VLS modules of the UKSK versatile ship-based launch system. The VLS modules will total 80. The same solution is expected to be applied to the Pyotr Veliky cruiser.

The 3S-14 VLS can launch the missiles of the Kalibr family (SS-N-27 Sizzler). In addition, the equipment for testing the VLS using mockups of the 3M-54, 3M55 and 3M22 antiship missiles is to be ready be December 2016.



Both the Pyotr Velikiy and Admiral Nakhimov will get the 3M22. The Pyotr Veliky is scheduled to to finish refitting in late 2022. Since the Admiral Nahkimov will be equipped with the same VLS, it will probably be fitted the 3M22 around the same time the Pyotr Velikiy gets it.

From: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-monster-battlecruisers-are-getting-hypersonic-anti-15263
"Both Pyotr Velikiy and its sister ship Admiral Nakhimov—which is currently being refurbished—are being upgraded with the new hypersonic weapon. Admiral Nakhimov, which will reenter operational service in 2018, will be the first of the Russian goliaths to be equipped with the Zircon."

From: http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3587
The Pyotr Veliky cruiser will start its repairs in the third or fourth quarter of 2019. Its repairs and upgrade are planned to be complete in late 2022, with the ship to be equipped with Zircon hypersonic antiship missiles.

250 mile range, with speeds above or around Mach 5

From: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-monster-battlecruisers-are-getting-hypersonic-anti-15263
There is very little information available about the performance of the Zircon missile. However, the weapon has a range of at least 250 miles and will likely be capable of speeds greater than Mach 5.0.

IMO the missile will likely be high-diving (with terminal maneuvers) instead of sea-skimming simply because trying to sea-skim at Mach 5 in the dense water-level air is going to heat the surface material of the missile past its tolerance level pretty quickly. There is a reason USAF flight-tested the X-51 at 70,000 feet!

In addition, both ships will also get the Naval S-400 and Poliment-Redut missile systems

From: http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-monster-battlecruisers-are-getting-hypersonic-anti-15263
Meanwhile, both ships will also receive an upgraded air defense capability with the addition of a naval variant of the long-range S-400 and the mid-range Poliment-Redut missile systems.

The Russian members here could probably give much better information and much more details about this weapon than I can.

Wouldn't this be the first non-RV hypersonic missile system we have in the DB?

Thank You



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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks!

Do you know the operational status of this system (both land and naval)?




This year "Kupol" starting modernization OSA-AKM in OSA-AKM1

As for Navy version, everybody await "Navy-2020" programm result, this programm will clear what ships will be built and upgraded in 2016-2030 , so currently all this proposal (including OSA-MA or installation of Tor-M2 on ships)fight each other for place in "Navy-2020"


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Thanks!

Currently, Command uses the average speed out to half the missile's maximum range. The plan is to make a new propulsion model with proper boost/sustain/coast phases, and I've copy-pasted your stats into the datasheet I'm making.

Do you also know the booster and sustainer burn times?


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ORIGINAL: F4U7Corsair

Request on the ASTER family.

#133, #578 — ASTER 30
- Increase top speed to 4,5 M (3000 kts)
- Increase acceleration (top speed reached in around 3 seconds)

#134 — ASTER 15
- Increase top speed to 3,5 M (2300 kts)
- Increase acceleration (top speed reached in less than 3 seconds)

Having seen ASTER 15 simulated shot procedures, the thing accelerates much faster than in Command.
Also, there is no data about this in Command, but the missile terminal (thrust-less) maneuverability is 70+ G.



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Hmmmm I just don't know what to believe...

In any case, the H-6M in the database carries conventional bombs. In some cases, the H-6M is confused with the H-6K.

Also, the H-6K can use the KD-63 [YJ-63].





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ORIGINAL: Dysta

http://military.china.com/news/568/20160304/21673772.html (Simplified Chinese)
http://m.wanhuajing.com/d211303 (Simplified Chinese)
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Badger.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/h-6-variant.htm
(...-six wing pylons for cruise missiles, possibly one centerline pylon, and a bomb bay fuel tank.)

Contradicted sources:
http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/h6k.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xian_H-6
(The bomb bay was eliminated in favor of extra fuel for a longer range.)

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More and more Chinese sources suggest the H-6K does still have bomb bay, not entirely removed and converted into internal fuel tank. Rather, it was suggested to use the non-refueling variant of bomb bay fuel tank deviated from H-6U, but removable and not designed for buddy refueling.

It may be true that putting one more KD-20/YJ-62/YJ-100 inside the bomb bay is less likely happens, due to the excessive weight to make it have even shorter duration. However, it still have the conventional bomb-dropping ability with it as older variants. With the benefit of turbofans, it can provide longer cruise range with up to 9000-10000kg sorties (10000kg is based on the assumption of higher thrust of engines).

That said, it can load up to 20 (or 18 based on the older variants) 500KG bombs in theory, but the bomb bay is still at the same size, and that will limit to carry only 12 internally. It still can barely load 2 more ALCMs at pylons to capped the 10000kg capacity (some sources said that KD-20 has 2 tons, unlike 1.25 tons in CMANO database, but will becomes 12000kg for 6x KD-20 loadout, and that's definitely overloading).

Of course it's still more beneficial for using full missiles with a removable bomb bay fuel tank, or internal bombs-only packages instead of the mix.



H-6K, older sources claimed the bay doors are bolted for internal fuel, but newer photos suggests the obvious gaps make it still have the functionality, and doesn't have 'bolts' like H-6U does.



H-6U, notice these 4 large 'bolts' at the bomb bay, it was suggested a fixed design to specially for refueling only.



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ORIGINAL: Triode

- remove from database Mig-23PD or move him "into hypothetical" , this is prototype short take-of plane with only 14 flight



It seems MiG-23P upgraded to MiG-23MLD standard were also called MiG-23PD?


quote:



- add to Mig-23MLD SPS-141 DECM station



This pod was carried on the centerline hardpoint, yes?

Was it intended for air-to-ground loadout, or also used in air-to-air loadouts?

Photos?

Thanks!

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[UPDATED DB v443]

Ref the SA-N-21C. Redut 9K97 etc.

Any chance the #3221 SA-N-21D 9M96D can replace the #2695 SA-N-21C for the 32 cell VLS on the #2816 & #2310 Admiral Gorshkov?

Just seems very odd that a warship with sufficient radar and appropriate VLS size to accommodate the 9M96D has such a relatively short range primary AAW weapon as the 9M96 with only a 25nm range?

The 9M96D at 65nm would give the Gorshkov similar capability to peer warships so it seems unlikely that the Redut/Poliment system is relying on just the 9M96?

Unless there is evidence to the contrary?

Regards
K.

For what its worth I am not convinced that the much quoted 40km range for the 9M96 is accurate either, (most of the sources do quote 40km) but there are sources indicating that its range is closer to 60km, and that would be more compatible with the length weight and diameter in comparison to western systems.
These links to data for S-350 land based SAM refer to the 9M96 as a 60km system?
http://topwar.ru/32823-perspektivnyy-zenitnyy-raketnyy-kompleks-50r6-vityaz-sistemy-s-350-na-aviasalone-maks-2013.html
http://m.aviationweek.com/awin/new-medium-sam-displayed-moscow-air-show







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quote:

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It seems MiG-23P upgraded to MiG-23MLD standard were also called MiG-23PD?



No, MiG-23P upgraded to MiG-23MLD standart is stil Mig-23P (just with N008 "Sapfir-23MLA-2" instead of N006 "Sapfir-23P" and other minor upgrades)

in the soviet PVO there is also "clear" MiG-23MLD


quote:




This pod was carried on the centerline hardpoint, yes?

Was it intended for air-to-ground loadout, or also used in air-to-air loadouts?

Photos?

Thanks!


Yes

only in A2G loadouts

Unfortunate only Ilyin "MiG-23: Long way to perfection"
"The aircraft equipped with a new radar warning equipment SPO-15L, providing a more accurate direction finding ,Jammer SPS-141 and state identification system "Password". The mass of payload was increased to 4500 kg, with a maximum take-off weight increased to 20100 kg. The specific conditions of combat use of MiG-23MLD in Afghanistan required additional improvements. It was improved engine starting system capable of more reliably at high temperatures. On top of the fuselage installed units shooting infrared traps BVP-50-60, contains 60 50-mm rounds LO-43."


Also in MiG-23MLDG (MLD"Gardenia", there is somewhat near regiment of them) there is L-203I "Gardenia" DECM inside plane:

L-203I antennaes:




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Hmmmm I just don't know what to believe...

In any case, the H-6M in the database carries conventional bombs. In some cases, the H-6M is confused with the H-6K.

Also, the H-6K can use the KD-63 [YJ-63].




Consider it a mystery then. Without any picture or official report that saying H-6K can use the bomb bay, then that's about it.

I think the latest bomber becomes a long range missile platform would be a smarter move, than doing JH-7/Su-30/J-16's favors to drop iron/guided bombs.

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Ref the SA-N-21C. Redut 9K97 etc.

Any chance the #3221 SA-N-21D 9M96D can replace the #2695 SA-N-21C for the 32 cell VLS on the #2816 & #2310 Admiral Gorshkov?

Just seems very odd that a warship with sufficient radar and appropriate VLS size to accommodate the 9M96D has such a relatively short range primary AAW weapon as the 9M96 with only a 25nm range?



In Gorshkov VLS can be 9M96(9M96E) ,9M96D (9M96E2),9M100



quote:




The 9M96D at 65nm would give the Gorshkov similar capability to peer warships so it seems unlikely that the Redut/Poliment system is relying on just the 9M96?

Unless there is evidence to the contrary?



all what you want to know about Poliment-Redut :
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3723893

quote:



For what its worth I am not convinced that the much quoted 40km range for the 9M96 is accurate either, (most of the sources do quote 40km) but there are sources indicating that its range is closer to 60km, and that would be more compatible with the length weight and diameter in comparison to western systems.
These links to data for S-350 land based SAM refer to the 9M96 as a 60km system?



You seems dont get how 9m96/9M96D family work.

9M96D is normal missile with datalink, autopilot and ARH head, have range 120km

9M96 dont have datalink, only autopilot and ARH head , this missile fly in predicted point of intercept by fast nonoptimal trajectory , missile for system where there is no FCR , only search radar like Furke on 20380

faster,faster,faster in preplanned point of intrcept before data from radar became "cold" vs optimal energetic trajectory and datalink updates

and of course "60km S-350" , this 60km is datalink range for 50N6 in 2013, and "Almaz-Antey" talk this is not final

of course S-350 use 9M96D , since 9M96 without datalink make no sense vs aerodnamic targets on this distance
40km range with ARH lock on range 25km against 3m2 RCS target is more or less acceptable, 60km well, less so


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Storm-class patrol boat
Pennant numbers: P31 Dzûkas, P32 Sëlis, P33 Skalvis
Operational dates: 1995-present
In database as entry #390 (and, as far as I can tell, they retained the Penguin missiles, but I could be wrong about this)


Looking thru a number of images of these vessels, I can't find any that show the penguin missile launchers. They were either sold without the launchers in place or subsequently removed after purchase. I can attach a pic of two if you need them.



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I'm interested in creating South China Sea scenarios. What radar/EW facilities in the DB would likely correspond to the "powerful radar" that China is purportedly building on Cuarteron Reef?

If I were to try to realistically create additional hypothetical but realistic bases on the current and future reclaimed islands, what other specific radar/EW might I consider on these?

If there is no definite China facility in the current DB a similar facility from another country would be fine with me.

What other DB entries would be realistic? Obviously airfields/hanger/tarmac/fuel/ammo on some. But what others, particularly on the smaller islands that have limited facilities? Piers? Docks? Buildings-what types? Structures- what types? I could guess myself but would appreciate any community input.

I know there Woody Island import is available on the forum. And I've already posted some islands I've created but I want to expand and improve on them.

Thanks!


http://news.usni.org/2016/02/22/new-possible-chinese-radar-installation-on-south-china-sea-artificial-island-could-put-u-s-allied-stealth-aircraft-at-risk

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Cheers, Triode,

First sensible reason for the 9M96 40km range I've read.
I didn't appreciate the key difference.
Also now makes sense why the 20380 only has 9M96.

In view of which :

Ref the next DB update can the Gorshkov VLS please be amended to contain 32 x the 9M96D?

It's an important warship type, it's going to be critical to future scenario builds, and the amendments won't take up any extra DB as all the elements already exist.

Thanks,

K



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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 3/17/2016 2:18:23 AM   
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I'm interested in creating South China Sea scenarios. What radar/EW facilities in the DB would likely correspond to the "powerful radar" that China is purportedly building on Cuarteron Reef?

If I were to try to realistically create additional hypothetical but realistic bases on the current and future reclaimed islands, what other specific radar/EW might I consider on these?

If there is no definite China facility in the current DB a similar facility from another country would be fine with me.

What other DB entries would be realistic? Obviously airfields/hanger/tarmac/fuel/ammo on some. But what others, particularly on the smaller islands that have limited facilities? Piers? Docks? Buildings-what types? Structures- what types? I could guess myself but would appreciate any community input.

I know there Woody Island import is available on the forum. And I've already posted some islands I've created but I want to expand and improve on them.

Thanks!


http://news.usni.org/2016/02/22/new-possible-chinese-radar-installation-on-south-china-sea-artificial-island-could-put-u-s-allied-stealth-aircraft-at-risk


The radar it was mentioned about is JY-26. CMANO has it.

It claimed the maximum detection range is 500km for RCS 2m.sq. , though I tested it in game is below that (with F-16, and forgot how far exactly). Also, it does not have datalink system to direct any Chinese guided weapon, and it was served as part of the Early Warning System.

It also claimed a very strong resistance of jamming because of the full AESA modules, though I haven't test it yet during the simulation.

I was sandboxes the scenario of F-22 with SDBs against HQ-9 SAM with JY-26 stationed, it can spot the target within 70nm, just a bit more than the SDB's max 60nm range. But no datalink means JY-26 cannot guide HQ-9 to intercept, only the bombs can be stopped.

So I think, that China WON'T mark the no-fly zone with SAM only. It has to be with AEWs and CAPs to assist the anti-access.

In that case, one KJ-200/500 and two J-11Bs will make a proper defense. Which means it also need an airfield, fortifications, and larger supply chain for ordinances.

In that case, it needs:
1 brigade of HQ-9 (24 launchers, with 24 spare missile trucks.)
1 JY-26 Portable EW Radar
1 Airfield for:
- 1 KJ-200 or KJ-500 AEW (2 is ideal)
- 1 regiment of J-11A/B in CAP loadout (2 per patrol)
- Some basic Maritime Patrol aircrafts
1 dock for supply chain
Some coastal fortifications in case of hostile bombardment
Small garrison of PLA(MC) troops to stand guard
Some barracks and ELINT stations

Like this picture that partially describes:


EDIT: oh, you asked for furtutstic improvement of the current/ideal setup. Well, there are some leaked picture of rumored Sino-PAVE PAWS, or any familiar stationary radar for Chinese ABM that is openly developing and mentioned before.

But this is unlikely, because none of an ASEAN country has nuclear weapon or a seriously threatening long range ballistic missiles that could reach Beijing or other important assets. Even US SSBN dare to launch from SCS will result a massive backfire that China can literally radiate ASEAN with nukes as well, resulting the WW3 that numerous countries will be victimized.

However, if China does find that Sino-PAVE PAWS have its use at SCS, then I'd say it is for tracking US satellites that monitoring SCS. And ABM also can use for ASAT, like most western medias baffled.

There are three issues to address:
1, No Chinese ASAT/ABM weapon nor 'Sino-PAVE PAWS' or sort in CMANO database
2, Even Woody Island can hardly support it due to the massive electricity demand
3, It is an overkill for monitoring aircrafts, also does not makes US stealth aircrafts any less threatening

Possibilities are endless, but far too vague to tell for now. You can find more detail about the need of Chinese sea based missile system and ASAT in this article:

http://www.like-news.us/?i639990-Why-China-needs-to-sea-based-missile-defense-system-or-attack-enemy-satellites

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Range Updates for SM-2 and SM-6 variants

SM-2 Block III/IIIA/IIIB : 50 nm -----> 90 nm
SM-6 Block I/IA: 130nm -----> 200nm


SM-2

From: http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2200&tid=1200&ct=2
quote:

General Characteristics, SM-2 Block III/IIIA/IIIB Medium Range
Primary Function: Surface to air missile.
Contractor: Raytheon Missile Systems.
Date Deployed: 1981 (SM-2 MR).
Propulsion: Dual thrust, solid fuel rocket.
Length: 15 feet, 6 inches (4.72 meters).
Diameter: 13.5 inches (34.3 cm).
Wingspan: 3 feet 6 inches (1.08 meters).
Weight: SM-2: 1,558 pounds (708 kg).
Range: Up to 90 nautical miles (104 statute miles).
Guidance System: Semi-active radar homing (IR in Block IIIB).
Warhead: Radar and contact fuse, blast-fragment warhead.


From: http://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/sm-2/
quote:

Standard Missile-2 (SM-2) is the world’s premier fleet-area air defense weapon, providing superior anti-air warfare and limited anti-surface warfare capability against today’s advanced anti-ship missiles and aircraft out to 90 nautical miles and an altitude of 65,000 feet.


SM-6

From: http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a19380/the-navy-is-turning-its-air-defense-missile-into-a-supersonic-ship-killer/
quote:

Now, that ability is expanding. The Navy says it will modify the Raytheon-built Standard Missile-6 to act as a supersonic anti-ship missile. Defense Secretary Ashton Carter has confirmed the service was developing the anti-ship SM-6 in an effort to give Navy cruisers and destroyers a weapon capable of reaching such targets more than 200 nautical miles away.


From: http://news.usni.org/2016/02/04/secdef-carter-confirms-navy-developing-supersonic-anti-ship-missile-for-cruisers-destroyers
quote:

Secretary of Defense Ash Carter confirmed the Navy was developing a modification to the Raytheon Standard Missile 6 that will give the service a supersonic anti-ship weapon to reach a target more than 200 nautical miles away.


From: http://thediplomat.com/2016/03/revealed-anti-aircraft-missile-sinks-us-navy-ship-in-test/
quote:

The Mach 3.5+ SM-6 has an effective range of approximately 200 (some say 250) nautical miles (around 370 kilometers)


From: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/sm-6.htm
quote:

With the SM-6, an AEGIS ship can target aircraft upwards of 200 miles away, before they can launch their Anti-Shipping Missiles.


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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 3/17/2016 6:45:19 AM   
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Range Updates for SM-2 and SM-6 variants

SM-2 Block III/IIIA/IIIB : 50 nm -----> 90 nm
SM-6 Block I/IA: 130nm -----> 200nm


No wonder I feel their ranges are unnaturally short, when I did the ASBM test with them. Did someone military journalists mistaken nautical miles to imperial miles or kilometers before?

SM-6's 200nm range also means happier bomber pilots than dogfighters. The lesser need to use CAP to intercept hostile ASM and fighter jets will definitely spare more jets and sorties to bomb land targets, rather than chasing tangos and vampires.

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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 3/17/2016 11:32:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dysta

quote:

ORIGINAL: SASR

Range Updates for SM-2 and SM-6 variants

SM-2 Block III/IIIA/IIIB : 50 nm -----> 90 nm
SM-6 Block I/IA: 130nm -----> 200nm


No wonder I feel their ranges are unnaturally short, when I did the ASBM test with them. Did someone military journalists mistaken nautical miles to imperial miles or kilometers before?

SM-6's 200nm range also means happier bomber pilots than dogfighters. The lesser need to use CAP to intercept hostile ASM and fighter jets will definitely spare more jets and sorties to bomb land targets, rather than chasing tangos and vampires.


Can you post a file showing the short ABM engagements in tech support?

We'll look into the SAM ranges but guessing this might be a theoretical vs operational thing.

Mike


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Weapon mount #760 -- 37mm/63 Type 76A Twin DP, PL-8H

It should have just 2 PL-8H per turret, each side has 1 only. Not 4 in DB3000.



Also, the first upgrade of 37mm turrets with PL-8H has conducted in 1988, into 053H1 with number '555' and name 'Zhaotong', which is commissioned in 1987. In DB3000, the earliest 053H1 (Ship #714) with that turrets is marked in 1999, which is 11 years late, and it has PL-9 SAM as an upgrade. The PL-8H system is only serve as an emergency option since China doesn't have any sea-based SAM in 80s, as they only use modified PL-8(H) as experiments.

In that case, a new ship class is also need to be dedicated as Type 053H1 [555 Zhaotong], 1988. It's for the scenario of Sino-Viet naval conflicts in 80s, when China using this system to counter Vietnamese aircrafts and ASMs. While #714's 37mm turret with SAM should be PL-9 SAM, not PL-8H.

And the corrected name of these weapon systems are:

#2220 -- Type 76 -> Type 715
#1212 -- Type 76A -> Type 715I
#760 -- Type 76A, PL-8H -> Type 715II (PL-8H, 1988)
#? (new) -- Type 76A, PL-9 -> Type 715II (PL-9, 1999)

Each turret has two SAM rather than four, as I mentioned above.

Sources:

http://baike.baidu.com/view/11519619.htm (Simplified Chinese)
http://military.china.com/important/11132797/20160317/22073327.html (Simplified Chinese)

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quote:

ORIGINAL: orca

I'm interested in creating South China Sea scenarios. What radar/EW facilities in the DB would likely correspond to the "powerful radar" that China is purportedly building on Cuarteron Reef?

If I were to try to realistically create additional hypothetical but realistic bases on the current and future reclaimed islands, what other specific radar/EW might I consider on these?

If there is no definite China facility in the current DB a similar facility from another country would be fine with me.

What other DB entries would be realistic? Obviously airfields/hanger/tarmac/fuel/ammo on some. But what others, particularly on the smaller islands that have limited facilities? Piers? Docks? Buildings-what types? Structures- what types? I could guess myself but would appreciate any community input.

I know there Woody Island import is available on the forum. And I've already posted some islands I've created but I want to expand and improve on them.

Thanks!


http://news.usni.org/2016/02/22/new-possible-chinese-radar-installation-on-south-china-sea-artificial-island-could-put-u-s-allied-stealth-aircraft-at-risk


The radar it was mentioned about is JY-26...

Actually I believe they're talking more along the lines of this

From the article orca linked
quote:

Late January satellite imagery from the Center for Strategic and International Studies and DigitalGlobe show the installation of what’s likely a high frequency radar installation the Chinese disputed holding of Cuarteron Reef near the Philippines.

The imagery from DigitalGlobe shows a field on the island with 65 foot-tall poles in a field on reclaimed land on the reef – China’s southern most holding in the region – that are similar to other maritime HF radars, Greg Poling, head of the center’s Asian Maritime Transparency Initiative told USNI News on Monday.

“Why would you have 20-meter poles spread across this features if it’s not high frequency radar? ” Poling said.



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