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RE: Miscellaneous AIM-9 issues - 9/6/2015 11:44:49 PM   
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The China Lake museum gives the range of the AIM-9D as 11 miles ( http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits/sidewinder.shtml ) Database gives an 8 mile range (Weapon_1163).


Is that miles or nautical miles?


The China Lake site doesn't state whether it is nautical miles or miles, and I haven't been able to get any other range figures. I'm assuming the China Lake numbers are in miles. If so, that would give a 9.5 nm range for the AIM-9D.


Finally, I found a source for AIM-9D range. According to Friedman, Norman, "The Naval Institute Guide to World Naval Weapons Systems, 1997-1998, Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, 1997, pg. 428, the AIM-9C/D had a range of 11.5 nm.

The same source gives a range of 15,850yds (7.82 nm) for the AIM-9J (Weapon_164) vice the 10 nm range in the database, as the missile sacrifices range to produce high acceleration to address fast targets.


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RE: Miscellaneous AIM-9 issues - 9/7/2015 5:07:07 AM   
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Database v440 has been released:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3926464

Thanks again for your invaluable support, guys


...and with the release of v440, database work is now on the back-burner, at least on my part. Paul and Mike will contine doing their magic though. Please see announcement (in red) at the top of this page.


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RE: Miscellaneous AIM-9 issues - 9/7/2015 5:43:50 AM   
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Understood. But limiting the aircraft to 'Medium' will make it impossible to use A-10s and Hercules transports from the strip. Which may not be intended?

Magazine armor woul have no effect because Single-Unit Airfields should never be attacked. In fact we're considering removing the ability to target them.

Magazine reload time has no effect on gameplay currently, only Air Ops tempo and surge capability does.

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Won't the current 'Single Unit Airfield' units do?


Certainly, it could be made to do. I would argue the difference between the dispersal field and the single unit airfield is
1) The aircraft size limitation (medium v. very large aircraft)
2) The lack of magazine armor
3) The slower reload and lower magazine size





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RE: Miscellaneous AIM-9 issues - 9/7/2015 11:25:32 AM   
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Keep up your good work! I'm really having a blast a whole night when it comes out.

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RE: Bugs/Errors - 9/7/2015 12:42:53 PM   
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[UPDATED SIGINT SETS, DB v441]

First of all awesome job on the new DB release. You guys put a huge amount of time and effort to keep this up to date.

I tested out some of the new DB additions and found some bugs/errors to report

THe Mk.54 HAAWC still has the same range as a regular Mk.54, .4 miles.

The RQ-180 and RQ-170 have the Generic SIGINT which is "Late 70s Technology" and therefore don't have a threat emitter library for identification of specific radars. Since drones around the same time period like the MQ-4C and RQ-4 have better ELINT technology wouldn't the RQ-180 and RQ-170 have that too?






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RE: Possible error in AGM-62 WALLEYE ranges - 9/7/2015 1:47:37 PM   
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One more source on the tactic of extending AGM-62B ER/DL by locking on after launch. This is from the China Lake Museum website http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits/walleye.shtml:

The requirement for the pilot to lockon to the target before launch proved to be a problem in a heavily defended target situation, so a data-link was built that would relay the television image from the weapon to the pilot after launch, and it allowed the missile to be launched without acquiring the target first. Through the data link, the pilot could then achieve lockon while the weapon was in flight. This data link was called the Extended Range Data Link, or ERDL. The ERDL was backfitted onto both versions of the Walleye. The missile could even be controlled from another aircraft than the launching aircraft.

Based on this, I think that using the longer range for the AGM-62B (at least against fixed targets) as described by Chant, Christopher, "A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware", pg. 505 would be justifiable. (see https://books.google.com/books?id=zUu4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA505&lpg=PA505&dq=AGM-62A&source=bl&ots=vDPRm9cRwc&sig=O7mVtG8cZ5O6XvoUH5EcysBh8n4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCWoVChMIyeGMvOS6xwIVBHySCh2D-QY1#v=onepage&q=AGM-62A&f=false).

Of note, Jane's Air Launched Weapons gives the same range for the ERDL (59,895 m or 32 nm) as Chant.

However, any real world experience using the AGM-62B would help resolve this issue.

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Thanks

Can I have some more opinions on this please?

The way I understand it is that the main advantage with the Walleye was that it allowed you to actually hit your intended target. The fact that it had a little stand-off range was a nice side-effect. The datalink allowed you to hit low-contrast targets. The JDAM is supposedly effective up to 12nm, and I have doubts the Walleye ER/DL was very useful beyond that range.

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For the older AGM-82A, the 10 nm is probably okay. In http://www.8tfw.com/pages/8thhistory1968.htm, the author discusses releasing at 6 nm from target in a permissive environment, implying they would release further out if necessary, so the 10 nm figure is probably okay for the max effective range. However, I'm not sure about WALLEYE II. While the TV image may be bad, the idea behind the AGM-62B ER/DL was that the missile would be released in the direction of the target and enroute the AGM-62B would be locked onto as the bomb approached the target. See http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-62.html ("The next major step in the evolution of Walleye was the ERDL (Extended Range Data Link) modification. One drawback of the Walleye's guidance system was the requirement to lock the seeker onto the target before launch, meaning that the attack aircraft had to come relatively close to a potentially heavily defended target. The ERDL system equipped the Walleye with a two-way datalink, and the launch aircraft were equipped with an AN/AWW-9 (later AN/AWW-13) underwing data-link pod. The pilot could now launch the Walleye out of visual range of the target, turn away, watch the bomb's TV camera image, which was transmitted via the data-link, and lock-on to the target at any convenient moment." )

With that said, it would be difficult to get the full range under operational conditions. However, against a fixed, pre-planned target, the tactic of lobbing the bomb towards the target and locking on as it the weapon got closer would, (I would think) allow it to be used at longer ranges. Additionally, against some fixed targets (bridges, buildings, etc) the image, as bad as it is, would still be perfectly okay for guidance. Possibly someone with real-world experience could provide some insight as whether the true effective range of the AGB-62B ERDL is greater than the current figure in the database?

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Thanks for bringing up this one. It seems the effective range was actually limited by the seeker, which was a really crappy TV camera set. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ4cDFP0CQk

So although the bomb could probably glide a considerable distance, it seems the weapon was used at relatively short ranges operationally. Even with DL mid-course guidance.






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RE: Bugs/Errors - 9/7/2015 2:16:34 PM   
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[UPDATED DB v441]

Corrections for platform #4404 - MiG-29SMT Fulcrum C of the Peruvian Air Force.

First, please change the units designation to MiG-29SMP Fulcrum C.

Second, please add an AS-14 Kedge [KH-29L] loadout to the aircraft. Appearantly, the missiles are primarily used on Peru's Su-25s, however, during exhibition the KH-29L was showcased as part of the MiG-29SMP's inventory.

http://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2012/07/25/noticia-aviones-de-combate-mig-29smp-de-la-fuerza-aerea-del-peru-realizan-vuelos-de-prueba.html
http://s1159.photobucket.com/user/nous79/media/100_1715.jpg.html
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/3/1/1560133.jpg

Thanks guys! I'm aware that DB work is on the back-burner for the next couple weeks.

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RE: Bugs/Errors - 9/7/2015 2:56:21 PM   
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First of all awesome job on the new DB release. You guys put a huge amount of time and effort to keep this up to date.

I tested out some of the new DB additions and found some bugs/errors to report

THe Mk.54 HAAWC still has the same range as a regular Mk.54, .4 miles.

The RQ-180 and RQ-170 have the Generic SIGINT which is "Late 70s Technology" and therefore don't have a threat emitter library for identification of specific radars. Since drones around the same time period like the MQ-4C and RQ-4 have better ELINT technology wouldn't the RQ-180 and RQ-170 have that too?



Thanks added requests for RQ-170 and RQ-180. Makes sense although they are unknown.

I'm guessing we've got some additional work on the Mk.54 HAAWC. Its a new weapon class more or less.

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RE: Bugs/Errors - 9/7/2015 3:00:26 PM   
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Ok guys. As Rag mentioned we're not going to be spending a great amount of time on DB3k work for the next couple months unless something we view as critical comes up. If you made a request and it was not acted on in this version it should make the next if we have what we need to implement.

Thank you all for your help getting us to DB 440!


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RE: ROKAF update - 9/7/2015 3:13:39 PM   
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[ADDED DB v441]

KRF-16C is more specialized EO/IR reconnaissance role. But Also it can SEAD and electronic warfare role(OECM). So It isn't same KF-16C, Only replace RF-4C roles.

Thanks for sincere replies.

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Thanks!

Are KRF-16C stripped of all other weapon systems, or are they identical to KF-16Cs other than their ability to carry the ELINT Pod?

Added JDAMs, asymetrical AGM-88/65, GBU-10 loadouts, etc, for Database v441.



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RE: Bugs/Errors - 9/7/2015 3:34:54 PM   
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Also, the RQ-180 is a larger longer ranged aircraft. I've read it's similar size and range as a global hawk. But in the database it has the same range as the RQ-170 at 1200nm.

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Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 9/7/2015 4:00:53 PM   
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And suggest some points. Recently, Many hypothetical weapons added by newest database.

If cold war still continue during 90's late and 21 century, Would you do me a favor? about add some Soviet Union or Russian ships or aircrafts.

For example Su-33 they have plan to load R-77(AA-12), Kh-35U(AS-20) and Kh-31 A/C/D;it is give the lastest variant or PAK-FA naval variant. (AS-17) - follow YAK-141 99' 05~10' - MKK version? 16' - SM version and MiG-29K 90's variant(MiG-29C carrier version), MiG-35K; if add some more.

T-50 PAK-FA Naval Variant(I saw J-31 carrier variant - If consider balance to add one US hypo carrier aircraft F-24 Hellcat II 20' variation - Blk 3.2B)

and ship

http://russianships.info/eng/

I try to find Russian ships,


Project 1164.1(Mod. Slava or Slava II? It is 11280 tons)

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1164.htm

Project 956E and EM variants for Russia

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_956.htm



Lastly, It isn't not hypo-plans apply for v441 database.

Russian ships upgrade information

quote http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1155.htm

Modernizations

On Admiral Tributs in 1991 was added second «Kinzhal» SAM system, MR-350A «Podkat» surface search radar, 2 MP-401 «Start» ESM radar systems, MR-212/201-1 «Vaygach-U» navigation radar was replaced by MR-212/201 «Nayada-5» navigation radar
On Admiral Tributs plan in 2013-14: MR-145 «Lev-218-100» fire control system replace by MR-123 «Bagira-M» fire control system, 1 MR-212/201-1 «Vaygach-U» navigational radar replace by MR-231-3 navigation radar, MR-212/201 «Nayada-5» navigational radar replace by MR-231 navigation radar, MVU-211 «Lesorub-1155» combat information control system replace by «Sigma» combat information control system, 1x200 kW diesel-generator ADGR-200/1500 replace by 2x300 kW diesel-generators
On Admiral Tributs in 2008-09? Fire control system MR-123 «Vympel-A» replaced on Fire control system MR-123-02/3 «Bagira»
On Vice-Admiral Kulakov in 1994-2010 was added 4x1 launchers ZS-95 SAM system «Kinzhal» (32 missiles 9M330) – 1 Fire control system K-12-1 with radar 3R-95, 1x6 launcher 3M-47 «Gibka» for SAM system «Igla», Air/surface search radar 5P-30N «Fregat-N», 5P-30N2 «Fregat-N2», surface search radar «Pal-N» instead of «Volga», laser-warning system «Spektr-F»
On Admiral Vinogradov, Admiral Tributs in 1992 was added 4x2 12,7 mm 2M-1. Then removed
On Severomorsk in 2000 was added 2 MP-401 «Start» ESM radar systems
On Admiral Vinogradov in 2013, Severomorsk in 2013 1 MR-123 «Vympel-A» fire control system was replaced by MR-123-02/3 «Bagira» fire control system
On 1 unit (Northern Fleet) in 2014 1 MG-7 anti-saboteur sonar was replaced by MG-757.3 «Anapa»
On Admiral Vinogradov, Admiral Levchenko, Marshal Shaposhnikov, Severomorsk plan in 2015 add MR-231-3 navigation radar
On Admiral Levchenko was added MR-231-1 navigation radar

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1144.htm

On Pyotr Veliky in 2014: added MR-231-3 navigation radar
On Pyotr Veliky in 2014: MG-7 «Braslet» anti-saboteur sonar was replaced by MG-757.3 «Anapa»

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1164.htm

On Varyag in 2006-07 MR-123 «Vympel-A» fire control system was replaced by MR-123-02/3 «Bagira» fire control system
On Moskva in 2013 MR-123 «Vympel-A» bow fire control system was replaced by MR-123-02/3 «Bagira» fire control system
On Moskva in 2013 was added MR-231-3 navigation radar
On Moskva in 2013 was added «Tsentavr-NM-1» satellite communication complex
On Marshal Ustinov in 2014 MR-600 «Voskhod» air/surface search radar was replaced by MR-650 «Podberezovik-ET2»
On Marshal Ustinov in 2015 MGK-335 «Platina» sonar complex was replaced by «Zarya-SK» sonar complex

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1135.htm

Project 11352 – 2 units – Krivak IV Class: Leningradskiy Komsomolets 27.08.1987-20.12.1990, Shipyard named after A.A. Zhdanova, Leningrad, Pylkiy 19.02.1987-9.07.1993, Yantar Shipyard, Kaliningrad. 3330/3750 tons, 125,2x14,2x4,87 m, SAM «Osa-MA2» (9M33M2 missiles) with 4R33AM fire control system instead of 4K33 «Osa-M», URK-5 «Rastrub-B» (85RU missiles) with SU-85KS-I «Musson-U» fire control system instead of URPK-4 «Metel`», RBU-6000 «Smrech-2» was removed, MR-755 «Fregat-MA» radar instead of MR-310 «Angara-A», MGK-365 «Zvezda-M1» sonar instead of MG-332T «Titan-2T» sonar and MG-325 «Vega» sonar, MG-35 «Shtil`» underwater communication system instead of MG-26 «Khosta», added 2x7 55 mm MRG-1 grenade launchers (420 RG-55), PK-10 «Smely» (8 KT-216 launchers), «Spektr-F» laser detection warning system (on Pilkiy)
Project 11353 – 1 unit: Zharkiy 13.10.1982-17.10.1984 in Shipyard named after A.A. Zhdanova, Leningrad. 3180/3590 tons, draft 4,72 m, MGK-365 «Zvezda-M1» sonar, added 2x7 55 mm MRG-1 (420 RG-55), MG-7 sonar, PK-10 «Smely» ( KT-216 launchers)
On some ships (Gromkiy, Neukrotimyy, Rezkiy) SAM 4K33 «Osa-M» has been replaced with «Osa-MA» (9M33M missiles) - 4R-33A
On some ships (Gromkiy, Deyatelnyy in 1984, Zadornyy, Letuchiy, Neukrotimyy, Razitelnyy, Rezkiy) from 1984 URPK-4 «Metel`» has been replaced with URK-5 «Rastrub-B» (85RU missiles) - SU-85KS-I «Musson-U»
On some ships SU-504A «Drakon-1135» was replaced by «Kristall»
On some ships (Bditelnyy, Bodryy, Neukrotimyy, Pylkiy, Storozhevoy) «Volga» or «Don» was replaced by MR-212 «Vaygach»
On Neukrotimyy - «Volga» navigation radar instead of «Don»
On some ships - «Kremniy» IFF instead of «Nickel-KM» and «Khtrom-KM»
On some ships from 1985 - «Parol`» IFF instead of «Nickel-KM» and «Khtrom-KM»
On some ships (Bditelny in 1984-86) was added MG-329 «Sheksna» sonar
On Bodryy in 1983, Druzhnyy, Zadornyy, Letuchiy - PK-10 «Smely» ship-borne decoy dispenser system (KT-216 launchers) – AZ-SO-50, AZ-SR-50, AZ-SOM-50 (from 1989), AZ-SK-50 (from 1991), AZ-SMZ-50 (from 1993) rounds
On Pytlivyy plan in 2013 to added MP-401MS «Spidvey» instead of MP-401S «Start-S»
On Ladnyy, Pytlivyy were added «Tsentavr-NM2S» satellite communication complex
Non-realized updatings of the project: Project 1135A – with «Termit» anti-ship guided missile complex instead of URPK-4 «Metel`»

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_11540.htm

On Neustrashimy - plan in 2015 to replace MGK-365 «Zvezda-M1» sonar complex on «Zarya-SK» sonar complex
Non-realized updatings of the project: Project 11541 Korsar - export variant

http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_971.htm

Project 971M: Zvezdochka Shipyard, Severodvinsk, K-328 06.2011-plan 2015, K-461 from 14.08.2014, 4, K-391 from 2014, K-295 from 2014. «Kalibr-PL» guided missile complex, R-43-0971 RLKS, MGK-540M sonar complex

http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_945.htm

On K-276 in 2003? added SOKS search system
On K-336 MGK-540 «Skat-3» sonar complex was replaced by «Kizhuch» sonar complex
Project 945M - plan 2 units: K-239 in 2015-2017, K-276

http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_941.htm

Project 941U - 1 unit: "Severnoe mashinostroitel`noe predpriyatie", Severodvinsk - TK-208 20.09.1989-26.07.2002. 2 launchers re-equipment for D-30 "Bulava-M" missile complex (R-30 ballistic missiles (3M30)) instead of D-19, "Skat-2M" sonar instead of MGK-500 "Skat-KS", "Omnibus-U" combat information control system instead of MVU-132 "Omnibus", "Simfoniya-UTTH" navigation complex instead of "Simfoniya", "Smerch-2" communications complex instead of "Molniya-L1"

http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_671rtm.htm

Project 671RTMK – 2 units: «Nerpa», Vyuzhny – K-502 10.08.1988-19.03.1992, K-524 25.05.1988-18.04.1996. On K-524 installed «Kalibr-PL» guided missile complex
On K-254 was added «Sirena-U» container for carriers of divers. Then removed.
On K-138 in 2011? was installed «Kalibr-PL» guided missile complex



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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 9/7/2015 6:35:07 PM   
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question about Yu-8 ASROC (mis-identified as CY-3, it was CY-2 before transfer of design breau): could players add Yu-8 ASROC to VLS of 064A FFGs? there is only one placeholder in DB and you can not reload Yu-8 ASROC to 054A. Plus, 056 FFG also can carry Yu-8 in its YJ cases.

[image]http://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_1359942#p=24[/image]

they even have picutures search pattern and Ph simulation posted on-line
[image]http://www.thepaper.cn/newsDetail_forward_1359942#p=25[/image]



Thanks! Do you happen to have more info on this system? Google Translate refused to translate half the text so didn't give me much to go on I'm afraid

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RE: Miscellaneous AIM-9 issues - 9/7/2015 6:39:19 PM   
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We're building a new rocket motor model that will use boost/sustain/coast to produce a far more realistic missile envelope. So what we need info on is the actual speed profile, i.e. booster burn time, burnout speed at various altitudes, maneouverability (in G) at different speeds, and also drag coefficient to determine deacceleration. Suspect this information might be available for various older weapons. Have, for instance, found very detailed info on the AIM-4 and SA-3.

Is anything like this available on the AIM-9D?

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The China Lake museum gives the range of the AIM-9D as 11 miles ( http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits/sidewinder.shtml ) Database gives an 8 mile range (Weapon_1163).


Is that miles or nautical miles?


The China Lake site doesn't state whether it is nautical miles or miles, and I haven't been able to get any other range figures. I'm assuming the China Lake numbers are in miles. If so, that would give a 9.5 nm range for the AIM-9D.


Finally, I found a source for AIM-9D range. According to Friedman, Norman, "The Naval Institute Guide to World Naval Weapons Systems, 1997-1998, Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, 1997, pg. 428, the AIM-9C/D had a range of 11.5 nm.

The same source gives a range of 15,850yds (7.82 nm) for the AIM-9J (Weapon_164) vice the 10 nm range in the database, as the missile sacrifices range to produce high acceleration to address fast targets.




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This this one would also need some code changes to work properly, so might be a good idea to wait?


That's fine. No rush on this one. It just occurred to me that it might be something worth adding--one more "fog of war" element for people to deal with every once in a while.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 9/7/2015 6:55:30 PM   
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Just curious...will version 441 of the database be released with the final release of version 1.09?


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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 9/7/2015 6:57:15 PM   
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I think all of us know this source, but when revisiting it some minutes ago I was surprised by the rocket/missile section, were aside Falcon, Sparrow and Sidewinder (AIM-9B and AIM-9L) you can find ICBM, old cruise missiles as Matador and Mace, and Harpoon! (yes, I know sometimes the real world tables of SAC cards are difficult to get in game values):
http://www.alternatewars.com/SAC/SAC.htm

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RE: Miscellaneous AIM-9 issues - 9/7/2015 7:25:33 PM   
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Thanks for all your work on this!

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Database v440 has been released:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3926464

Thanks again for your invaluable support, guys


...and with the release of v440, database work is now on the back-burner, at least on my part. Paul and Mike will contine doing their magic though. Please see announcement (in red) at the top of this page.



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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 9/7/2015 9:57:24 PM   
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Just curious...will version 441 of the database be released with the final release of version 1.09?




...probably not. It may have to wait until the 1.10 RC unless some of the fixes are very important.

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RE: Miscellaneous AIM-9 issues - 9/7/2015 10:05:36 PM   
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Thanks

We're building a new rocket motor model that will use boost/sustain/coast to produce a far more realistic missile envelope. So what we need info on is the actual speed profile, i.e. booster burn time, burnout speed at various altitudes, maneouverability (in G) at different speeds, and also drag coefficient to determine deacceleration. Suspect this information might be available for various older weapons. Have, for instance, found very detailed info on the AIM-4 and SA-3.

Is anything like this available on the AIM-9D?


That's going to take a lot of digging. Friedman has the most detailed information I've come across IRT the AIM-9 and associated rocket motors, but even his information is spotty. However, I didn't actually research the motors themselves. I suspect that for Western equipment that is 10+ years or older, the information may be available, but for non-western equipment, it will be difficult or impossible to get. For newer missiles, the information is probably classified.

Regarding drag coefficient-I haven't seen anything like that in my research, and my guess is that it isn't available (without considerable expense and time) for the vast majority of missiles. However, a work around might be to invest in a program such as "RockSim," which is used by high power rocketeers. See https://www.apogeerockets.com/RockSim/RockSim_Information
You can simulate any rocket in it, as long as you have the proper dimensions, and many real world missiles are accurately modeled in kit form, so the RockSim files already exist. The program also allows you to build a computer model of the missile as long as you have the dimensions. You could pull the drag coefficient off of that modeling. Not a perfect solution, but possibly the most economical and time-efficient method for getting what you want for a number of missiles.

As far as G-forces. While that information exists for some missiles, it is spotty, even for well known missiles, such as the AIM-9. I did include that information in the description files I am making, but for the vast number of missiles I haven't found it. I have some engine burn times for the AIM-9, but not for all models. I can get that to you. Aside from booster and engine burn times, drag coefficients and manuverability, do you have a list of all the factors you want? I can start putting those in the description files as I build them.

There have been some declassified reports, such as the RED BARON series, that provide missile engagement envelope information. But these reports are limited to USN/USAF Vietnam-era systems, so it won't cover the vast number of systems the game covers.

On a related point, if you are planning on changing the radar or EW module, let me know what additional parameters you need, and I'll start adding that information to the description files I'm building. I'm currently covering PRF and operating power and frequencies, but if you are thinking about changing the game model, let me know the other parameters you want.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 9/8/2015 1:00:41 AM   
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question about Yu-8 ASROC (mis-identified as CY-3, it was CY-2 before transfer of design breau): could players add Yu-8 ASROC to VLS of 064A FFGs? there is only one placeholder in DB and you can not reload Yu-8 ASROC to 054A. Plus, 056 FFG also can carry Yu-8 in its YJ cases.


Thanks! Do you happen to have more info on this system? Google Translate refused to translate half the text so didn't give me much to go on I'm afraid

I can help, since I roam most of the Chinese websites and I can read Chinese. But like ECM, Torps and other non-star weapons would be difficult to dig for data.

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C-145A Skytruck (AFSOC)



General Characteristics
Primary Function: Aviation Foreign Internal Defense and light mobility
Builder: PZL Mielec (The C-145A Skytruck is a variant of PZL M28 Skytruck light twin-engine aircraft manufactured by Polskie Zaklady Lotnicze (PZL) Mielec, a Sikorsky company, based in Poland. The PZL M28 Skytruck is a licence-built version of the Antonov An-28.)

Deployment date: March 2011 to present

Type: Transport
Length: 13.10 m (42 feet 11¾ in)
Wingspan: 22.06 m (72 feet 4½ in)
Height: 4.90 m (16 feet 1 in)
Crew: 2 (3) (2 pilots, 1 optional loadmaster)
Empty weight: 9,309 lbs. (4,100 kg)
Max Takeoff Weight: 16,534 lbs. (7,500 kg)
Max Payload: 5,000 lbs., 19 passengers or 10 combat rigged paratroopers
Cargo: Capable of performing airland and airdrop of cargo up to a maximum capacity of 2,400lb.

Avionics: Honeywell BendixKing

Power Plant: Two Pratt and Whitney PT6A-65B Turboprops
Thrust: Takeoff power 1,100 shaft horsepower

Maximum speed: 355 km/h (191 knots, 220 mph)
Cruise speed: 270 km/h (146 knots, 168 mph) at 3,000 m (9,840 ft) (econ cruise)
Stall speed: 123 km/h (67 knots, 77 mph) (flaps up)
Range: 1,500 km (809 nmi, 932 mi) with max fuel
Endurance: 6 hr 12 min
Service Ceiling: 25,000 feet (with supplemental oxygen equipment)
Maximum Takeoff Weight: 16,534 lbs. (7,500 kg)
Rate of climb: 11 m/s (2,165 feet/min)

Inventory: Active duty,10 (End state: 16 by fiscal 2015); Reserve/ANG, 0

Special: Short take-off and landings (STOL) on unprepared runways

Armament: None (a variant armed with a GAU-18 twin-mount.50-calibre was successfully tested but it's not clear if it was ever deployed)

The versatile C-145A Skytruck aircraft is equipped Honeywell BendixKing avionics suite for better control of the aircraft during both day and night. The flight deck is fitted with an autopilot and dual electronic flight instrument system (EFIS).

The aircraft incorporates dual communication and radio navigation equipment for flight plans compliant with visual flight rules (VFR) and instrumental flight rules (IFR). The equipment include VHF omni directional radio range (VOR) navigation system, a global positioning system (GPS), instrument landing system (ILS) and an automatic direction finder (ADF).

"The flight deck accommodates a crew of three including two pilots and one loadmaster."

The C-145A also features Enhanced Ground Proximity Warning System (EGPWS) and traffic alert and Collision Avoidance System II (TCAS II).

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/c-145a-skytruck-light-twin-engine-aircraft/
http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/467765/c-145a.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_M28_Skytruck
http://www.socom.mil/News/Documents/USSOCOM_Fact_Book_2014.pdf
http://warisboring.com/articles/the-air-force-tested-a-mini-gunship-last-year/
Data from Jane's All The World's Aircraft 2003–2004

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 9/8/2015 12:56:14 PM   
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C-146A Wolfhound

Mission
The C-146A Wolfhound’s primary mission is to provide United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) flexible, responsive and operational movement of small teams needed in support of theater Special Operations Commands. Airlift missions are conducted by Air Force Special Operations Command (AFSOC) to prepared and semi-prepared airfields around the world.

Features
The C-146A commercial variant aircraft provides multi-configurable cabin combinations for passengers and cargo, to include casualty evacuation (CASEVAC) missions. The aircraft can carry a maximum of 27 passengers or 6,000 pounds of cargo or up to four litter patients. Specially configured flight deck and cargo cabin areas allow for night vision goggle (NVG) operations to meet mission requirements.

Background
The C-146A is the military version of the Dornier 328 commuter airliner providing direct support to SOF worldwide. The C-146A was first deployed to AFRICOM in Oct 2011 and has been continuously deployed since supporting Overseas Contingency Operations and now deployed in four Geographic Combatant Commands. Fourteen of 17 aircraft have been delivered to AFSOC as of May 2013.



General Characteristics
Primary Function: Flexible, rapid, intra-theater mobility for Special Operations Forces

Builder: Dornier
Aircraft type: Transport

Deployment Date: June 2011 to present

Length: 69 feet 7 inches (21.11 meters)
Wingspan: 68 feet 10 inches (20.98 meters)
Height: 23 feet 9 inches (7.24 meters)

Crew: 2 (3) (2 pilots, 1 optional loadmaster)
Passengers: (max): 32

Max Cruise Speed: 335 mph (620km/h)
Range: Approximately 1,800 nautical miles, with 2,000 lbs of cargo
Ceiling: 9,449 m 31,000 feet

Empty Weight 8,810 kg 19,423 lbs
Maximum Takeoff Weight 13,990 kg 30,843 lbs
Maximum Landing Weight 13,230 kg 29,167 lbs
Takeoff field Length: 1,088m (3,570 feet)
Fuel Capacity: 3,428 kg (7,557 lbs.) ~4290 l @ 0.80kg/l

Maximum Payload: 3,510 kg (7,738 lbs.)
Climb rate: 2,060 ft/min
Armament: n/a

Power Plant: Two Pratt and Whitney 119C engines
Thrust: 2150 shaft horsepower each engine

Features
The C-146A commercial variant aircraft provides multi-configurable cabin combinations for passengers and cargo, to include casualty evacuation (CASEVAC) missions. The aircraft can carry a maximum of 27 passengers or 6,000 pounds of cargo or up to four litter patients. Specially configured flight deck and cargo cabin areas allow for night vision goggle (NVG) operations to meet mission requirements.

The C-146A Wolfhound is equipped with Primus 2000 avionics systems manufactured by Honeywell Aerospace. The avionics include electronic flight instrument system (EFIS), engine-indicating and crew-alerting system (EICAS), and five cathode ray tube displays measuring 7in x 8in.

The aircraft is also fitted with flight management system, a dual Primus II integrated radio system, dual integrated avionics computer, automatic flight control system, dual digital air data reference unit, dual altitude and heading reference system, Primus 650 weather radar, mode S transponder, fault recording, traffic alert, and collision avoidance system (TCAS 2000). A ground proximity warning system (EGPWS) is also fitted.

The aircraft can be optionally fitted with Allied-Signal GTCP 36-150 auxiliary power unit, ground spoiler, Primus 870 weather radar, global positioning system with non-precision approach, an additional mode S transponder, an enhanced EGPWS, HF, CAT II approach, electronic flight bag, and LED lights.

http://www.af.mil/AboutUs/FactSheets/Display/tabid/224/Article/467729/c-146a-wolfhound.aspx
http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/c-146a-wolfhound-transport-aircraft/
http://www.socom.mil/News/Documents/USSOCOM_Fact_Book_2014.pdf
http://www.fairchild-dornier.com/resources/Dornier_328TP_page+1.pdf
http://www.fairchild-dornier.com/resources/Dornier_328TP_page+2.pdf


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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 9/8/2015 7:17:56 PM   
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Thanks for the details kgambit. Are these high-priority items that you need for a scen?

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RE: Bugs/Errors - 9/8/2015 7:20:16 PM   
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THe Mk.54 HAAWC still has the same range as a regular Mk.54, .4 miles.



Yeah like Mike said we're not entirely sure how to model this system... may change it to a glider/torpedo system similar to the way ASROC weapons are implemented. Need to give it some more thought.... suggestions?


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RE: Possible error in AGM-62 WALLEYE ranges - 9/8/2015 7:21:45 PM   
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Yeah okay I'm updating the range to 30nm in v441, thanks


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One more source on the tactic of extending AGM-62B ER/DL by locking on after launch. This is from the China Lake Museum website http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits/walleye.shtml:

The requirement for the pilot to lockon to the target before launch proved to be a problem in a heavily defended target situation, so a data-link was built that would relay the television image from the weapon to the pilot after launch, and it allowed the missile to be launched without acquiring the target first. Through the data link, the pilot could then achieve lockon while the weapon was in flight. This data link was called the Extended Range Data Link, or ERDL. The ERDL was backfitted onto both versions of the Walleye. The missile could even be controlled from another aircraft than the launching aircraft.

Based on this, I think that using the longer range for the AGM-62B (at least against fixed targets) as described by Chant, Christopher, "A Compendium of Armaments and Military Hardware", pg. 505 would be justifiable. (see https://books.google.com/books?id=zUu4AwAAQBAJ&pg=PA505&lpg=PA505&dq=AGM-62A&source=bl&ots=vDPRm9cRwc&sig=O7mVtG8cZ5O6XvoUH5EcysBh8n4&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CFEQ6AEwCWoVChMIyeGMvOS6xwIVBHySCh2D-QY1#v=onepage&q=AGM-62A&f=false).

Of note, Jane's Air Launched Weapons gives the same range for the ERDL (59,895 m or 32 nm) as Chant.

However, any real world experience using the AGM-62B would help resolve this issue.

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks

Can I have some more opinions on this please?

The way I understand it is that the main advantage with the Walleye was that it allowed you to actually hit your intended target. The fact that it had a little stand-off range was a nice side-effect. The datalink allowed you to hit low-contrast targets. The JDAM is supposedly effective up to 12nm, and I have doubts the Walleye ER/DL was very useful beyond that range.

Guys?


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ORIGINAL: CV60

For the older AGM-82A, the 10 nm is probably okay. In http://www.8tfw.com/pages/8thhistory1968.htm, the author discusses releasing at 6 nm from target in a permissive environment, implying they would release further out if necessary, so the 10 nm figure is probably okay for the max effective range. However, I'm not sure about WALLEYE II. While the TV image may be bad, the idea behind the AGM-62B ER/DL was that the missile would be released in the direction of the target and enroute the AGM-62B would be locked onto as the bomb approached the target. See http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-62.html ("The next major step in the evolution of Walleye was the ERDL (Extended Range Data Link) modification. One drawback of the Walleye's guidance system was the requirement to lock the seeker onto the target before launch, meaning that the attack aircraft had to come relatively close to a potentially heavily defended target. The ERDL system equipped the Walleye with a two-way datalink, and the launch aircraft were equipped with an AN/AWW-9 (later AN/AWW-13) underwing data-link pod. The pilot could now launch the Walleye out of visual range of the target, turn away, watch the bomb's TV camera image, which was transmitted via the data-link, and lock-on to the target at any convenient moment." )

With that said, it would be difficult to get the full range under operational conditions. However, against a fixed, pre-planned target, the tactic of lobbing the bomb towards the target and locking on as it the weapon got closer would, (I would think) allow it to be used at longer ranges. Additionally, against some fixed targets (bridges, buildings, etc) the image, as bad as it is, would still be perfectly okay for guidance. Possibly someone with real-world experience could provide some insight as whether the true effective range of the AGB-62B ERDL is greater than the current figure in the database?

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Thanks for bringing up this one. It seems the effective range was actually limited by the seeker, which was a really crappy TV camera set. Check this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ4cDFP0CQk

So although the bomb could probably glide a considerable distance, it seems the weapon was used at relatively short ranges operationally. Even with DL mid-course guidance.








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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 9/8/2015 8:19:28 PM   
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Noted, thanks! Will add to my to-do list, but none of these have very high priority right now. Please see announcement at the top of the page

Do you have more info on the various aircraft variants?

Thanks again.


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And suggest some points. Recently, Many hypothetical weapons added by newest database.

If cold war still continue during 90's late and 21 century, Would you do me a favor? about add some Soviet Union or Russian ships or aircrafts.

For example Su-33 they have plan to load R-77(AA-12), Kh-35U(AS-20) and Kh-31 A/C/D;it is give the lastest variant or PAK-FA naval variant. (AS-17) - follow YAK-141 99' 05~10' - MKK version? 16' - SM version and MiG-29K 90's variant(MiG-29C carrier version), MiG-35K; if add some more.

T-50 PAK-FA Naval Variant(I saw J-31 carrier variant - If consider balance to add one US hypo carrier aircraft F-24 Hellcat II 20' variation - Blk 3.2B)

and ship

http://russianships.info/eng/

I try to find Russian ships,


Project 1164.1(Mod. Slava or Slava II? It is 11280 tons)

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1164.htm

Project 956E and EM variants for Russia

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_956.htm



Lastly, It isn't not hypo-plans apply for v441 database.

Russian ships upgrade information

quote http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1155.htm

Modernizations

On Admiral Tributs in 1991 was added second «Kinzhal» SAM system, MR-350A «Podkat» surface search radar, 2 MP-401 «Start» ESM radar systems, MR-212/201-1 «Vaygach-U» navigation radar was replaced by MR-212/201 «Nayada-5» navigation radar
On Admiral Tributs plan in 2013-14: MR-145 «Lev-218-100» fire control system replace by MR-123 «Bagira-M» fire control system, 1 MR-212/201-1 «Vaygach-U» navigational radar replace by MR-231-3 navigation radar, MR-212/201 «Nayada-5» navigational radar replace by MR-231 navigation radar, MVU-211 «Lesorub-1155» combat information control system replace by «Sigma» combat information control system, 1x200 kW diesel-generator ADGR-200/1500 replace by 2x300 kW diesel-generators
On Admiral Tributs in 2008-09? Fire control system MR-123 «Vympel-A» replaced on Fire control system MR-123-02/3 «Bagira»
On Vice-Admiral Kulakov in 1994-2010 was added 4x1 launchers ZS-95 SAM system «Kinzhal» (32 missiles 9M330) – 1 Fire control system K-12-1 with radar 3R-95, 1x6 launcher 3M-47 «Gibka» for SAM system «Igla», Air/surface search radar 5P-30N «Fregat-N», 5P-30N2 «Fregat-N2», surface search radar «Pal-N» instead of «Volga», laser-warning system «Spektr-F»
On Admiral Vinogradov, Admiral Tributs in 1992 was added 4x2 12,7 mm 2M-1. Then removed
On Severomorsk in 2000 was added 2 MP-401 «Start» ESM radar systems
On Admiral Vinogradov in 2013, Severomorsk in 2013 1 MR-123 «Vympel-A» fire control system was replaced by MR-123-02/3 «Bagira» fire control system
On 1 unit (Northern Fleet) in 2014 1 MG-7 anti-saboteur sonar was replaced by MG-757.3 «Anapa»
On Admiral Vinogradov, Admiral Levchenko, Marshal Shaposhnikov, Severomorsk plan in 2015 add MR-231-3 navigation radar
On Admiral Levchenko was added MR-231-1 navigation radar

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1144.htm

On Pyotr Veliky in 2014: added MR-231-3 navigation radar
On Pyotr Veliky in 2014: MG-7 «Braslet» anti-saboteur sonar was replaced by MG-757.3 «Anapa»

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1164.htm

On Varyag in 2006-07 MR-123 «Vympel-A» fire control system was replaced by MR-123-02/3 «Bagira» fire control system
On Moskva in 2013 MR-123 «Vympel-A» bow fire control system was replaced by MR-123-02/3 «Bagira» fire control system
On Moskva in 2013 was added MR-231-3 navigation radar
On Moskva in 2013 was added «Tsentavr-NM-1» satellite communication complex
On Marshal Ustinov in 2014 MR-600 «Voskhod» air/surface search radar was replaced by MR-650 «Podberezovik-ET2»
On Marshal Ustinov in 2015 MGK-335 «Platina» sonar complex was replaced by «Zarya-SK» sonar complex

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_1135.htm

Project 11352 – 2 units – Krivak IV Class: Leningradskiy Komsomolets 27.08.1987-20.12.1990, Shipyard named after A.A. Zhdanova, Leningrad, Pylkiy 19.02.1987-9.07.1993, Yantar Shipyard, Kaliningrad. 3330/3750 tons, 125,2x14,2x4,87 m, SAM «Osa-MA2» (9M33M2 missiles) with 4R33AM fire control system instead of 4K33 «Osa-M», URK-5 «Rastrub-B» (85RU missiles) with SU-85KS-I «Musson-U» fire control system instead of URPK-4 «Metel`», RBU-6000 «Smrech-2» was removed, MR-755 «Fregat-MA» radar instead of MR-310 «Angara-A», MGK-365 «Zvezda-M1» sonar instead of MG-332T «Titan-2T» sonar and MG-325 «Vega» sonar, MG-35 «Shtil`» underwater communication system instead of MG-26 «Khosta», added 2x7 55 mm MRG-1 grenade launchers (420 RG-55), PK-10 «Smely» (8 KT-216 launchers), «Spektr-F» laser detection warning system (on Pilkiy)
Project 11353 – 1 unit: Zharkiy 13.10.1982-17.10.1984 in Shipyard named after A.A. Zhdanova, Leningrad. 3180/3590 tons, draft 4,72 m, MGK-365 «Zvezda-M1» sonar, added 2x7 55 mm MRG-1 (420 RG-55), MG-7 sonar, PK-10 «Smely» ( KT-216 launchers)
On some ships (Gromkiy, Neukrotimyy, Rezkiy) SAM 4K33 «Osa-M» has been replaced with «Osa-MA» (9M33M missiles) - 4R-33A
On some ships (Gromkiy, Deyatelnyy in 1984, Zadornyy, Letuchiy, Neukrotimyy, Razitelnyy, Rezkiy) from 1984 URPK-4 «Metel`» has been replaced with URK-5 «Rastrub-B» (85RU missiles) - SU-85KS-I «Musson-U»
On some ships SU-504A «Drakon-1135» was replaced by «Kristall»
On some ships (Bditelnyy, Bodryy, Neukrotimyy, Pylkiy, Storozhevoy) «Volga» or «Don» was replaced by MR-212 «Vaygach»
On Neukrotimyy - «Volga» navigation radar instead of «Don»
On some ships - «Kremniy» IFF instead of «Nickel-KM» and «Khtrom-KM»
On some ships from 1985 - «Parol`» IFF instead of «Nickel-KM» and «Khtrom-KM»
On some ships (Bditelny in 1984-86) was added MG-329 «Sheksna» sonar
On Bodryy in 1983, Druzhnyy, Zadornyy, Letuchiy - PK-10 «Smely» ship-borne decoy dispenser system (KT-216 launchers) – AZ-SO-50, AZ-SR-50, AZ-SOM-50 (from 1989), AZ-SK-50 (from 1991), AZ-SMZ-50 (from 1993) rounds
On Pytlivyy plan in 2013 to added MP-401MS «Spidvey» instead of MP-401S «Start-S»
On Ladnyy, Pytlivyy were added «Tsentavr-NM2S» satellite communication complex
Non-realized updatings of the project: Project 1135A – with «Termit» anti-ship guided missile complex instead of URPK-4 «Metel`»

http://russianships.info/eng/warships/project_11540.htm

On Neustrashimy - plan in 2015 to replace MGK-365 «Zvezda-M1» sonar complex on «Zarya-SK» sonar complex
Non-realized updatings of the project: Project 11541 Korsar - export variant

http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_971.htm

Project 971M: Zvezdochka Shipyard, Severodvinsk, K-328 06.2011-plan 2015, K-461 from 14.08.2014, 4, K-391 from 2014, K-295 from 2014. «Kalibr-PL» guided missile complex, R-43-0971 RLKS, MGK-540M sonar complex

http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_945.htm

On K-276 in 2003? added SOKS search system
On K-336 MGK-540 «Skat-3» sonar complex was replaced by «Kizhuch» sonar complex
Project 945M - plan 2 units: K-239 in 2015-2017, K-276

http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_941.htm

Project 941U - 1 unit: "Severnoe mashinostroitel`noe predpriyatie", Severodvinsk - TK-208 20.09.1989-26.07.2002. 2 launchers re-equipment for D-30 "Bulava-M" missile complex (R-30 ballistic missiles (3M30)) instead of D-19, "Skat-2M" sonar instead of MGK-500 "Skat-KS", "Omnibus-U" combat information control system instead of MVU-132 "Omnibus", "Simfoniya-UTTH" navigation complex instead of "Simfoniya", "Smerch-2" communications complex instead of "Molniya-L1"

http://russianships.info/eng/submarines/project_671rtm.htm

Project 671RTMK – 2 units: «Nerpa», Vyuzhny – K-502 10.08.1988-19.03.1992, K-524 25.05.1988-18.04.1996. On K-524 installed «Kalibr-PL» guided missile complex
On K-254 was added «Sirena-U» container for carriers of divers. Then removed.
On K-138 in 2011? was installed «Kalibr-PL» guided missile complex



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Kh-35U(AS-20) and Kh-31 A/C/D;it is give the lastest variant or PAK-FA naval variant. (AS-17) - follow YAK-141 99' 05~10' - MKK version? 16' - SM version and MiG-29K 90's variant(MiG-29C carrier version), MiG-35K; if add some more.


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RE: Russian hypo weapons and renewal information - 9/8/2015 11:22:26 PM   
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about russian minesweepers

from A.V.Karpenko "Russian mine defense ships of sea zone"
http://bastion-karpenko.narod.ru/02668_spusk_060526_kart.pdf in russian

few citations:

"The first Soviet GASM MG-59 "Olen" was worked out on the coastal minesweepers project 264 and the project was adopted by the Soviet Navy in 1959. Because of the large dimensions of the use of this GASM on production vehicles had to be abandoned, on its basis was created GASM MG-69 "Lan" developer CRI "Morphyspribor" providing, as shown by tests carried out in 1964, reliable detection of moored mines in the distance of 1000 - 1100 meters."

"Ship Project 266 was first of the series of ships equipped with GAS mine-detection MG-69 "Lan", which can detect mines at a distance of 1,100 meters."

In database project 266 have Tamir-11, Tamir-11 is GASM from early project 264 minesweepers


"after only two years in 1965 in the Western PKB was created a technical project 266M "Aquamarine" modernization .These ship in NATO became known as Natya.
New development addresses the main shortcoming of the project 266 - lack of search and detection of bottom mines, which was provided with a new sonar MG-79 "Mezen-2"
266M project also provided the following improvements: electromagnetic sweep was replaced by a deep sweep, set sweep to destroy active mines
provided installation of three-channel broadband towed television seeker and seeker-destroyer of mine. At the same time, measures were taken to further reduce the acoustic field of the ship and heavily artillery armament

The three-channel television seeker IT-3 "Neva-3" was created in 1958
. based on television seeker IT-1 "Neva-1" in the NII-400 and NII television he could inspect the ground at depths up to 60 meters at a speed of 4-6 ties within the width of the search strips of 30 m and provides detection and classification of bottom mine by television images on
depths ranging from 10 to 60 m in the towing speed to 6 knots, and the search band width of 30 m

Development of integrated sonar finder "Luch" in the Central Research Institute "Gidropribor" lasted for many years. Even in 1965, the results of scientific and research
Work was proposed create a set of three products: Towed sonar seeker-destroyer "Luch-1"
electromagnetic seeker-destroyer "Luch-2" and self-propelled long-distance seeker-destroyer "Luch-3." Shortly development
"Luch-2" has been canceled due to unpromising results

First put into service in 1973 seeker KIU-1 "Luch-1" with side-scan sonar "Igla-1",with self-propelled remote-controlled underwater vehicle - destroyer STIU-1 wich makes single complex.


Self-propelled television guided complex "Luch-3"
It was equipped with an automatic guidance it on
marker and system for destruction of the object by the explosive charge"

Mine - mine-sweeping MTSCH armament includes one contact sweep GKT-2 (working width - 260-280m Depth: maximum - 200 m, minimal- 10 m); one acoustic sweep AT-2 (5-12 knots towing speed ties with the state of the sea up to 4 points, and the lowest depth of 15 m); one magnetic sweep TEM-3 (towing speed to 10 knots at sea state up to 4 points, length, power supply feeder - 455 m, the lowest depth - 15-20 m)."


project 266M in database have GASM MG-69 Lan-2 instead of GASM MG-79 Mezhen (also MG-79 in database have 0,2nm range,should have 600m ) and dont have :
towed television seeker IT-3 "Neva-3",
towed KIU-1 "Luch-1" with side-scan sonar "Igla-1" with self-propelled remote-controlled underwater vehicle - destroyer STIU-1 ,
Self-propelled television guided complex "Luch-3"

and about project 12660

"The first study on the creation of a new sea minesweepers were conducted in the 1970s.Project 12660 "Ruby" started in Design Bureau West in 1972

The armament of the ship includes a new anti-mine complex
to search the bottom and moored mines on the course, as well as contact and
non contact sweeps. Complex destruction of mines with a self-propelled projectile , self guided homing antimine - torpedo "Cobra" and self-propelled projectile antimine - torpedo cutting mine cable "Gurza" with target designation from ship (2x4 "Gyurza"/"Kobra" anti-mine complex launchers),
self-propelled remote-controlled seeker-destroyer "Ketmen" and towed seeker-destroyer "Paltus" (Seeker is equipped with side-scan sonar to search the strip up to 100 meters, providing detection of bottom mines at depths of up to 150 meters at speeds of towing up to 12 knots and charge-destroyer.), GASM "Kabarga"

Deep-towed sonar seeker bottom-mine destroyer
"Paltus" began to develop in the Central Research Institute "Gidropribor" in 1976.
Compared to "Luch-1" in the new towed seeker detected objects, not only designated by markers
But if necessary, be destroyed directly during towing by deploying explosive charge

Development of a new GASM "Kabarga", modifications that have been installed on offshore and naval minesweepers of Navy, was completed in 1990, NII "Breeze" .However on the level of secondary processing of the information interaction with the antimine weapon it practically does not differ from previous stations

In 1989 he was adopted a self-propelled remote-controlled seeker-destroyer second generation STIU-2 "Ketmen" working against targets designated by ship sonar mine-detector on dept up to 100 m. It was designed by the Ural branch of the Central Research Institute "Gidropribor" STIU-2 provides search with a speed of up to
3 knots and destruction of bottom and moored mines to the front of the minesweeper. On mine discovered the charge was laid (on the unit there are two of them with an explosive charge of 130 kilograms), and after the departure of STIU mine was undermined "

in database project 12660 have GASM MG-79 "Mezen" instead of GASM MG-99 "Kabarga" dont have 2x4 "Gyurza"/"Kobra" anti-mine complex launchers,self-propelled remote-controlled seeker-destroyer STIU-2 "Ketmen" ,towed seeker-destroyer "Paltus"

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Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I have now re-directed my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.

This means I will only fix reported errors/inaccuracies in existing platforms and only make critical additions, i.e. units needed for a scenario currently under construction. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.

If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding / fixing, rather than having me working on code) then feel feee to post. If not then you'll find me burried deep down in the Command game engine.

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for me Mk.54 HAAWC should be clearly a glider/torpedo/ASROC type torpedo-carrier. seven to ten miles gliding range stated here: http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2015/09/flying-torpedo-asw.html

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

Noted, thanks! Will add to my to-do list, but none of these have very high priority right now. Please see announcement at the top of the page

Do you have more info on the various aircraft variants?

Thanks again.





I see. It's Okay.

MiG-31M; it was cancelled project. Maybe it would procure in 1990's - now MiG-31BM is more advanced.
Yak-43; only project. it promised a considerable improvement on the Yak-141M.
MiG-23K; It was a carrier-borne fighter variant based on the MiG-23ML.(it is for DB 3000 and CW. maybe need to add some soviet CV project for DB 3000 .)
MiG-23A; It was multi-role variant based on the "MiG-23K" However, cancellation and subsequent redesign of the Soviet aircraft carrier project also caused cancellation of the MiG-23A and MiG-23K variants and sub-variants. It was planned to develop the MiG-23A into three different sub-variants:
MiG-23AI was to be a dedicated fighter.
MiG-23AB was to be an attack-dedicated variant.
MiG-23AR a dedicated reconnaissance variant.

Above MiG-23 series are more matching 70~80's era Soviet Union carrier plan(ex : Project 1153 Orel).

MiG-21-97 and MiG-23-98 or MiG-23-98-2 are replace old MiG fighters and add for Russia.

MiG-29M(Project 9.15) 90's MiG-29 upgrade program. and it advanced MiG-29M2; It introduced in 2005.

Su-27M; Soviet era project, Improved demonstrators for an advanced single-seat multi-role Su-27s derivative.

Su-27PU; Soviet era project, Two Seat version of the Su-27P interceptor, designed to supprot with tactical data other single-seat Su-27P, MiG-31 and other interceptor aircraft in PVO service. Later prototypes renamed Su-30 by Russia.

Su-30M/Su-30MK; Next-generation multi-role two-seater. A few Su-30Ms were built for Russian evaluation in the mid-1990s, though little came of the effort.(for mid-90's Russia)

Su-27SM; Mid-life upgraded Russian Su-27S, featuring technology evaluated in the Su-27M demonstrators.(Also for mid-90's Russia)

Su-27KUB; Essentially an Su-27K carrier-based twin-seater with a side-by-side cockpit, for use as a naval carrier trainer or multi-role aircraft.


So if add above aircraft, also need USSR 70's~80's carrier and suggested Su-33 other proposed variants and MiG-29K and Su-50 PAK-FA naval variant. Thus, I propose to add mid-2010 tech for Russian hypothetical carrier Ulyanovsk.


Umm. I found some aircraft information for hypothetical USSR-Ruissa side.




P.S> I read before thread, I correct RF-16C full naming is RKF-16C(it based KF-16C on Blk 52)

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