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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/15/2019 11:07:57 PM   
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Missiles for Australia


Australia will receive the AIM-120D AMRAAM to equip its fleet of F/A-18s, F-35s and EA-18Gs.

http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/australia-aim-120d-advanced-medium-range-air-air-missiles


Among others, the RANs new Hobart-class destroyers will carry the SM-2 Block IIIB missiles.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2016/june-2016-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/4071-australia-to-equip-its-hobart-class-awd-vessels-with-raytheon-sm-2-block-iiib-missiles.html
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/australia-sm-2-block-iiib-standard-missiles-0

Thanks for considering!


Bump.

(Attached a SIPRI Trade Register as an additional source.)

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RE: REQUEST REF RUSSIAN HELICOPTERS - 10/15/2019 11:45:50 PM   
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As previous post could you also please consider amending the GRAU index description for the following loadouts:

22500 Su-25TM, Russia: AT-16 Scallion [9M120 Vikhr-M]
15679 Ka-52, Russia: AT-16 Scallion [9M120 Vikhr-M], S-8KO 80mm Rockets
15670 Ka-50, Russia: AT-16 Scallion [9M120 Vikhr-M], S-8KO 80mm Rockets

9M120 refers to Ataka system

9M127-1 refers to Vikhr-M

DELETE / REDESIGNATE OR REPURPOSE THE FOLLOWING LOADOUTS FOR SU-25SM VARIANTS:

9883 Su-25SM, Russia: AT-16 Scallion [9M120 Vikhr-M]
9882 Su-25, Russia: AT-16 Scallion [9M120 Vikhr-M]

There is no reference or evidence to support that the Su-25SM has ever used the Vikhr, data refers to its integration on SU-25T and SU-39.
The only images I can find of Vikhr equipped Su-25’s are for the Su-25T and Su-39 which were prototypes, or export offerings only which did not enter full service.

Thanks for consideration, K


+1

I'd like to see this implemented as well. I recall this has been brought up a couple of times in the past. The Su-25SM is not fitted with the "Shkval" or "Skval" electro-optical targeting system which is the guidance system for these missiles. To my knowledge this not only affects the Su-25SM but also the SM2 and SM3 variants of the family, although this is only speculation on my part.

http://www.repulestudomany.hu/folyoirat/2014_3/2014-3-03-0178_Szilvassy_Laszlo.pdf

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RE: REQUEST REF RUSSIAN HELICOPTERS - 10/18/2019 3:22:58 PM   
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Seems newest DB3000 update is missing a lot of stuff. Can a quick fix solve this ?

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RE: REQUEST REF RUSSIAN HELICOPTERS - 10/18/2019 3:57:26 PM   
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Seems newest DB3000 update is missing a lot of stuff. Can a quick fix solve this ?

Leonte,

You are correct. There are well over 100 forum requests for additions, changes, updates, etc on existing or proposed units. Each request may have 1 to 20+ separate items included. They are considered for action based on the reference material provided which ranges from "I want this" to the inclusion of reference documents, online sites and so forth. Priority is also based on
1. Does it impact the simulation's function.
2. Is it a major error in a unit (two engines instead of four) or warhead type.
3. Is it something new that would be an important feature to have (addition of Navy's new FFG(X) platform.
4. Does the request supply good documentation. Wikipedia is not always the best primary source.
5. How much time will be involved in making the change - The entire existing F-15/16 fleet or a single aircraft?
6. Is it really a cosmetic addition (this DDG's hull number should be included).
7. I saw this in another game, why isn't here.
8. Where is the Zimbabwe's navy carrier.
9. After evaluation it's just not going to happen.

So, to your question, yes things requested are missing but may well be in the queue for work. Quick fix, not so much. Major DB change releases generally do not happen quickly but are tied to other actions such as the CMANO release updates (public, pro and future) which are dictated by the developers whom I support and are really, really busy.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/18/2019 4:01:18 PM   
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Is there a reason that #1790 - Pave Spike Pod [EO + LRMTS, 12k ft] exists when #943 - AN/AVQ-23 Pave Spike Pod [EO + LRMTS, 12k ft] is also in the database and exactly identical? 1790 is used on Buccaneer only and 943 is used on Phantom only. Additionally the dates on the British Pave Spike pod is wrong as noted in the database itself, the RAF used the system between 1978-1992.

I don't really anticipate this making much of a difference but it reduces the number of things in the database by one and means that if I have Phantoms and Buccs in a scenario with realistic ammo then I could theoretically swap pods around.

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RE: REQUEST REF RUSSIAN HELICOPTERS - 10/18/2019 5:53:55 PM   
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Sorry, I remain on position: a quick fix is the really answer to the problem, because new DB update seems to occur once a year.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/18/2019 6:16:46 PM   
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s there a reason that #1790 - Pave Spike Pod [EO + LRMTS, 12k ft] exists when #943 - AN/AVQ-23 Pave Spike Pod [EO + LRMTS, 12k ft] is also in the database and exactly identical? 1790 is used on Buccaneer only and 943 is used on Phantom only. Additionally the dates on the British Pave Spike pod is wrong as noted in the database itself, the RAF used the system between 1978-1992.

The difference between the two entries is due to purist accuracy who prefer to have the different designations specified for the two countries: AN/AVQ-23 Pave Spike Pod [EO + LRMTS for the F-4's and Pave Spike Pod [EO + LRMTS] for the Buccaneer. Functionally they are the same. In this case having the two entries does not make any significant difference in the DB3000 function or size. However, per your comment, the dates for both pods have been updated in the next release. The pod swapping between the F-4's and Buccaneers could happen but the change is a low priority.

Thanks for the observation,

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/18/2019 6:53:52 PM   
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Purists may, in my view, stuff it . In my view it's bad enough that you can't swap Rb 74s and AIM-9Ls about, but at least in most scenarios you don't end up with the Swedes working alongside NATO.

Thanks for the answer!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/18/2019 11:48:32 PM   
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UUM-44A SUBROC [10kT Nuclear DC] -- 1966-1989 seems to be equipped with a 5kT nuclear device, not a 10kT one, in the 1980-near future database.

Warhead payload corrected to 10kT in next DB3000 release.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/19/2019 6:20:11 PM   
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Possible adds to DB, radar on Omani Ships:

Oman Qahir class ship add radar: KH T1007 navigation radar
wiki site

Oman Khareef class ship add radar: 2 x navigation radar as seen on pictures in mast. Could not find name of the navigation radars on the internet.
Images found on wiki

cannot post url's, with regards

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/20/2019 5:47:52 AM   
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a possible addition to North Korea

KN-19 Coastal Defense System, KN-01's replacement with 4x Kumsong-3 (North Korean Kh-35) on ready storage. Cruise Missile capability not confirmed.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/20/2019 5:55:48 PM   
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A question: is in the database the possibility to add a oil-platform / oilrig when editing a scenario? Couldnt find it yet.

With Regards

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/20/2019 11:26:16 PM   
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Parel look under ships and then platforms. Here is an ID 1869

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/21/2019 8:01:45 AM   
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The #2640 A 5340 Elettra ELINT ship has erroneous decibel levels for its SIGNATURE values.

Despite its defining quality being the first class of vessel to be powered by two permanent magnet engines that were specially designed for operations at lesser sonar signatures than ships of its equivalent displacement, it's SIGNATURE values are much higher than even many non-specialized ships of even higher displacement. For example, ship #1705 (a standard Italian support ship) that's nearly four times its displacement has signature values nearly 20 decibels quieter and in the database the Elettra itself is currently only five decibels quieter than any of the Nimitz class aircraft carriers (155 vs. 160.) It's decibel values should be reduced by about 30% to bring it in line with a realistic approximation of what a specially designed ELINT vessel of its displacement should have.

Also, upon investigating this I discovered the Taiwan is missing the Ta Kuan, the sister ship to the Elettra, as one of their available ships in the database. She also serves as an ELINT vessel in Taiwanese service, of which entered service on September 26, 1996 (receiving some mid-life upgrades in 2013.)


Sources: http://www.aiad.it/aiad_res/cms/documents/Elettra_ingl.doc , http://archivio.agi.it/articolo/2d3a78c3a0e3bee27842752b240f5127_19931011_cantieri-muggiano-iniziata-costruzione-nave-oceanografica/?query=cantiere_navale_del_muggiano&mode=date_desc&year=1993 , http://www.pompegarbarino.com/uploads/allegato/4_Reference%20List%20(Marine-Offshore-Navy)%20Nov.%202016.pdf , SIPRI Arms Transfer Database, and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_ship_Elettra_(A_5340)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/21/2019 11:10:16 AM   
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Thank you very much,
with regards

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/21/2019 2:03:40 PM   
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No probs

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/22/2019 11:18:33 PM   
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Here's a AAA Facility Entry for Mexico you folks could enter, if you please...
AAA Sec (12.7mm/50 Quad M55 x Towed) (Mexico - 1982?, 50x)
Length: 0 m
Width: 0 m
Area: 0 m
Vehicle/Component Dispersal Radius: 40m

Sensors / EW:
1x Mk1 Eyeball (50 nm)

Mounts:
4x 12.7mm/50 M55 Quad

Magazine(s)
Magazine: 12.7/50mm, Capacity: 400, Reload Rate: 15, Armor: None, Stores: 400x 12.7/50mm M55 Quad Burst [20 rnds] (max 400)

http://www.robertsarmory.com/quad.htm
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Publications/Mexico%20Study_4.pdf

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/23/2019 2:12:28 PM   
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Just a small suggestion today. A platform I had never heard of before but a pretty neat little UAV.

RQ-15 Neptune
Country: United States
Branch: Navy
Role: Reconnaissance UAV
Design: the RQ-15 is a small short range naval recon UAV active as of 2007. With a service ceiling of 8000ft and a top speed of 100mph. It is shipborne catapult launched and water landing recovered which may be hard to model in game. it however can also land conventionally on land or via a parachute. It can carry a 9kg payload consisting of either visual or IR reconnaissance cameras.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app2/q-15.html

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRS_RQ-15_Neptune



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RE: REQUEST REF RUSSIAN HELICOPTERS - 10/23/2019 3:44:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leonardus68
Sorry, I remain on position: a quick fix is the really answer to the problem, because new DB update seems to occur once a year.


I think we have our new DB-editing volunteer. Welcome!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/23/2019 5:59:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Parel803
A question: is in the database the possibility to add a oil-platform / oilrig when editing a scenario? Couldnt find it yet.

With Regards


They're there already, but under the ship annex. Look for "Platform - Class [X]".

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/24/2019 8:38:45 AM   
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The #65 Alpha Jet A is missing three different weapon systems. It's the attack version of the Alpha Jet that was originally purchased by Germany and has retained the capability to equip the following weapons on all of its wing pylon stations since its adoption into service. The missing weapons are the: #1876 AGM-65D, #1764 AGM-65B, and the #1401 AIM-9L.

The missing loadouts would be:
2x #1521 450 liter Drop Tank + 2x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B
2x #1521 450 liter Drop Tank + 2x #1401 AIM-9L
2x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B (with optional 2x #1401 AIM-9L)
4x #1401 AIM-9L
4x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B (with optional 2x #1401 AIM-9L)
6x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B
38x #163 SNEB 68mm Rocket (with optional 2x #1401 AIM-9L)
38x #163 SNEB 68mm Rocket + 2x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B
38x #163 SNEB 68mm Rocket + 4x #1876 AGM-65D or #1764 AGM-65B

Sources: https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/alpha-jet.htm , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dassault/Dornier_Alpha_Jet , http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/dornier_alpha_jet.htm , SIPRI Arms Transfer Database, and https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=344

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/24/2019 8:08:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The #65 Alpha Jet A is missing three different weapon systems. It's the attack version of the Alpha Jet that was originally purchased by Germany and has retained the capability to equip the following weapons on all of its wing pylon stations since its adoption into service. The missing weapons are the: #1876 AGM-65D, #1764 AGM-65B, and the #1401 AIM-9L.


My apologies, but I would have to dispute that. My country (Portugal) bought former Luftwaffe A-model Alpha Jets, and even though we had those exact weapons in our arsenal, our Alpha Jets only ever carried dumb munitions. I suspect that those mentions of Maverick- and Sidewinder-carrying Alpha Jets refer to the later MS versions, the MS2 especially being described as an attack-capable version with improved avionics.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/24/2019 8:58:17 PM   
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I believe that's because Portugal only used the Alpha jet as a trainer aircraft (mainly for the F-16AM/BM), while Germany employed them as attack aircraft. That combined with the fact that Portugal does not have large stockpiles of the early AGM-65B or D models (the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database only records them receiving 25 total AGM-65's in 1991), so dummy munitions were likely used as training substitutes to conserve this limited stockpile that's employed on the F-16AM/BM. The newer MS models you also mention were upgrades meant for integration with more modern combat systems and avionics, such as the newer variants of the Matra Magic missile (which I will detail tomorrow in a separate comment on the issue.)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/24/2019 11:05:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tookatee

I believe that's because Portugal only used the Alpha jet as a trainer aircraft (mainly for the F-16AM/BM), while Germany employed them as attack aircraft. That combined with the fact that Portugal does not have large stockpiles of the early AGM-65B or D models (the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database only records them receiving 25 total AGM-65's in 1991), so dummy munitions were likely used as training substitutes to conserve this limited stockpile that's employed on the F-16AM/BM.


That is incorrect. The Alpha Jet A was acquired from Germany in 1993, the same year the F-16A/B (without MLU, mind you) was acquired. While indeed the Alpha Jet served as trainer in Squadron 103, it served as dedicated Close Air Support in Squadron 301. Although it was capable of ground strikes, the F-16 was used as a dedicated air defense fighter. Only in 2005, when the F-16 fleet underwent the MLU and gained new ground strike capabilities, did Squadron 301 traded in their Alpha Jets for F-16s.

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I can also back up my statements through the Luftwaffe's Alpha Jet NATO manual, acessible at here. From page 245, you can find a chart detailing all possible and imaginable loadouts for the Alpha Jet. It only includes bombs, rockets and fuel pods, no missiles, air-to-ground or air-to-air. You can find a similar chart on page 274 of that file.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/24/2019 11:21:14 PM   
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Hi

Look like Ecuador got 2 Chile's old Leanders Frigs in 2008-2009.

Look like just copy of ship #1554
Hulls are FM-01 Morán Valverde and FM-02 and FM-02 Presidente Eloy Alfaro. Notes FM-02 is not same as in DB (#728). That one was decomissioned before accepting new Alfaro in 2008.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chilean_frigate_Almirante_Lynch_(PFG-07)

Recent Photo

https://twitter.com/seawaves_mag/status/1187499653782093824/photo/1

Tweet Movie

https://twitter.com/TPM_EC/status/1169998099223339008

Looking at Exocet certaily MM.40 verson of Exocet but likely Blk.1 or 2.

https://repositorio.espe.edu.ec/bitstream/21000/14256/1/T-ESSUNA-004237.pdf

These really like used-used car. Probably bang when they pull into ports!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/24/2019 11:53:42 PM   
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Ok notices Ecuador doesn't have radar or air defenses in DB yet. How else they kill mosquito!

Sipri DB Sources

Radars
AN/TPS-70 x 2 1995 (tons to copy in DB)
AR-3D x 2 1982 (tons to copy from in DB)
Lanza LRR x 4 2016 (#1872 in DB)

Air defense System
Igla SA-18 Manpad 2009
SA-16 Manpad 1998
http://worldmilitaryintel.blogspot.com/2013/05/blog-post_7267.html
HN-5A Manpad 1994
Blowpipe 1982 (#2387 in DB)
http://worldmilitaryintel.blogspot.com/2013/05/blog-post_7267.html
SA-8-9K33 2001
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KP1m9lPnCVE/UqedxaeCMUI/AAAAAAAAirI/TiFmFgMA_S0/s1600/382916_2787168597721_1811096460_n.jpg
http://worldmilitaryintel.blogspot.com/2013/05/blog-post_7267.html
AAA 50mm Quad (#311 in DB)
http://worldmilitaryintel.blogspot.com/2013/05/blog-post_7267.html
35mm Skyguard (#1082)
https://www.taringa.net/+ffaa_arg/oerlikon-35mm-aa_1fou1k
M167 Vulcan 1980 (#2234)

Thank!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/25/2019 12:00:16 AM   
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Hi

Look like out of service date for US P-3C is this years.That 60 Years of Service.

https://www.janes.com/article/92051/us-completes-operational-transition-from-p-3c-to-p-8a


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/25/2019 10:23:33 AM   
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OK, but are you able to back up your statement that the German Alpha Jet I indicated cannot equip the weapons I indicated with any sources? Because all those sources I cited say the opposite as they explicitly define the AGM-65 as one of its possible armaments. Meanwhile, you appear to be now attempting to describe the Portuguese doctrine for how they employed the former Luftwaffe Alpha Jets (which is seemingly inconsistent with other the other source I specified that said Portugal received a very small number of AGM-65's, which would explain their exclusive use of dumb munitions as you stated.)

So basically, just because Portugal didn't use AGM-65's on the Alpha Jet A doesn't mean the Germans didn't or that the aircraft doesn't have the capability to do so. Hence why I only specified the German Alpha jet rather than also including the Portuguese one (because like you've stated, they did not use guided munitions on theirs [because as the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database shows, Portugal did not have a large number of compatible guided weapons for the aircraft at the time while Germany did].)

Also to prevent message spam just edit your last comment with the response rather than posting a new comment, I'll do the same with this comment.

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I managed to get a hold of a Jane's All The World's Aircraft 1982-83 and read that it stated that the Alpha Jet's pylons has provisions to carry air to air missiles and the Maverick AGM, which seems contradictory to what that NATO manual you provided for the aircraft states. I believe this is why all the online sources seem to restate the same thing, as they probably based their info off of the Jane's series of books. Jane's itself doesn't go into any more detail other than stating that it can equip those weapons. And so, because of these contradictory statements it would probably be the best to leave its loadouts as is as that more appropriately conforms to its capabilities in the NATO manual, which I'd trust more than a commercial book on the matter.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/25/2019 2:46:59 PM   
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the database for Thailand is fairly outdated

Thanks. Filed for possible future database update.

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(in reply to Hunter98)
Post #: 5159
RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/25/2019 3:24:52 PM   
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Just been having a play about with the #2514 Tu-16K-10P Badger C and noticed that its aerial minelaying mission has a Hi-Hi-Hi set-up but the mines need to be dropped from 5000ft or below. Currently if assigned to a minelaying mission and allowed to do whatever they like they circle aimlessly at 36000ft and never drop, but if the mission has a 5000ft patrol height set they work fine. Please change them to a Hi-Lo-Hi setting.

Not tested but same issue:
#3140
#154
#3141
#2449
#2450
#3142
#2289
#3143
#155
#3139
#2495
#2299
#2494
#197
#803
#2066
#3299
#2065
#4816
#3308

In other words, every minelaying Badger in the database.

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