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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/29/2019 12:29:41 AM   
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Possible error on AGM-158A (DB3000 Weapon_920): The length is given as 4.72 meters. Multiple sources give the length as 4.27 or 4.26 meters. See https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/jassm/; Jane's Weapon Systems Vol 1: Air Launched, :AGM-158A JASSM (Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missile), AGM-158B, JASSSM-ER and LRASM, 01 December 2013

Jane's and other sources also give the max range of the AGM-158A as being 200 nm (300km), as opposed to the 215 nm in the database. Jane's notes that this is an estimate.
The Air Force Armament museum states the range is "200+ nm" http://www.afarmamentmuseum.com/details-agm158.html. Jane's also states the JASSM uses either a "High-level" cruise altitude (which is not defined) or a "low-level (500 m) cruise altitude", as opposed to the 9 m AGL cruise altitude in the database.

Similarly, the AGM-158B JASSM-ER (DB3000 Weapon_11) is listed as having a range of 430nm. In contrast, Jane's gives a range of 500 nm. See also https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/agm-158-jassm-lockheeds-family-of-stealthy-cruise-missiles-014343/ ; https://missilethreat.csis.org/missile/jassm/ (giving the range as 1000 km/540nm). The 500+ nm range is also supported by a 2013 GAO assessment of the program. See https://www.gao.gov/assets/660/653379.pdf at page 81.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/29/2019 10:50:55 AM   
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All variants of the Beechcraft C-12 Huron (Super King Air or 1900) (except for the RC-12 variants) are missing from the database. It is an American light cargo/VIP transport aircraft used by the Army, Air Force, Navy, and Marine Corps that has been in service since 1974. Most performance statistics for the aircraft could be copied over from the already implemented RC-12 aircraft, as they're simply variants of the differing C-12 variants equipped for SIGNIT/ELINT duties (with no significant impediments to performance.) The only addition would be that of a cargo/troop transport capability, which varies in capacity depending on the specific variant.

The aircraft has also been exported to: Greece (delivered in 1978, one C-12A), Saudi Arabia (delivered from 2013-2014, 10 Super King Air 350s), the ROC (Taiwan) (delivered from 1988-1990, 12 C-12Js), Peru (delivered in 2011, one second hand C-12J), Algeria (delivered from 2000-2001, six C-12Js), and Pakistan (delivered from 2000-2002, two C-12Rs modified for photographic reconnaissance)

A C-12W.


A Royal Saudi Air Force King Air 350ER.


A VIP transport C-12A


Sources: SIPRI Arms Transfer Database, International Institute for Strategic Studies, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_C-12_Huron , https://beechcraft.txtav.com/~/media/beechcraft/files/litho/king_air_350er_productcard.ashx , https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/c-12-variant.htm , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Air_Force , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Saudi_Air_Force , https://beechcraft.txtav.com/~/media/beechcraft/files/litho/king_air_250_productcard.ashx , https://beechcraft.txtav.com/~/media/beechcraft/files/litho/king_air_350i_productcard.ashx , and https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/c12-huron/

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/29/2019 12:46:49 PM   
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The #1975 SA.365C Dauphin 2 commercial transport helicopter is equipped with a magnetic anomaly detector, which is MAD.

Additionally #4065 and #4120, the VC-137C Presidential Flight aircraft are listed in the database as Commercial when they were operated solely by the USAF, and the newer VC-25As are marked as USAF aircraft.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/30/2019 12:48:19 PM   
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Hi,

Do yo have any plan to add "NSM Missiles" to "Littoral Combat Ship" for the US Navy. You can see article below.

"https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/09/uss-gabrielle-giffords-is-the-1st-lcs-to-get-its-full-load-of-next-gen-nsm-missiles/"


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/30/2019 10:17:55 PM   
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Minor error to DB3000 Weapon_1148 AGM-12A Bullpup aka ASM-N-7 aka GAM-83.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/30/2019 10:36:24 PM   
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Possible error in AGM-130A DB3000 Weapon_1903.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/30/2019 10:45:11 PM   
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quote:

Possible error on AGM-158A (DB3000 Weapon_920)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/30/2019 11:00:25 PM   
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quote:

The #1975 SA.365C Dauphin 2 commercial transport helicopter is equipped with a magnetic anomaly detector, which is MAD.

Additionally #4065 and #4120, the VC-137C Presidential Flight aircraft are listed in the database as Commercial when they were operated solely by the USAF, and the newer VC-25As are marked as USAF aircraft.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 9/30/2019 11:02:18 PM   
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Do yo have any plan to add "NSM Missiles" to "Littoral Combat Ship" for the US Navy. You can see article below.

Anil,

Possibly in a future DB update.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/1/2019 12:21:32 AM   
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Possible error on DB 3000 Weapon_2733 AGM-176 Griffin A. THe database gives a range of 3nm. Several sources claim a range of 10nm for the air launched version. See http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Approval_given_for_Griffin_missile_launch_system_999.html . See also http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Magazine%20Documents/2018/June%202018/Almanac_2018_Gallery%20of%20Weapons.pdf at page 113 (giving the range as 12+ miles)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/1/2019 2:03:01 AM   
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The #1874 C.160FR has both a typo in its name and is missing the probe refueling property. It should be called the C.160R (the C.160F aircraft that were upgraded to the Nouvelle Generation (NG) standard were designated Renové or R) as the FR designation in the database is most likely a typo relating to the fact that the R variant is a direct upgrade to F variant (no such FR designation was ever issued to any C-160 aircraft.)

The Nouvelle Generation standard that the C.160R aircraft were upgraded to included the addition of a fuel probe as seen in the image below.


Sources: http://www.military-today.com/aircraft/transall_c160.htm , Rouvez, Coco and Paddack 1994, pp. 97–98., and Johnson, Grissom and Oliker 2008, pp. 217–218.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/1/2019 2:11:29 AM   
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Possible error on AGM-65A/B/D Mavrick (CWDB Weapon_725, 726; DB3000 Weapon_950, 1876, 1764) Database gives weapon speed of 800 knts. The following sources give weapon speed of 620 knots (1150 km/hr):

AGM-65 Maverick. n.d. https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-65.htm ; AGM-65A Maverick. n.d. . https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/agm-65-maverick-tactical-missile/

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/1/2019 4:43:52 AM   
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The #111 AT-3A is missing several loadouts and weapon platforms. It has two wingtip pylons that allow for two SRAAMs to be carried, in addition to a built in 20mm. Additionally, its inner pylons allow it to carry #1934 Hsiung Feng II's, #1839 Mk84's, or #1498 Mk.20's.

The specific missing loadouts are:
2x #182 AIM-9P4 or #1767 Sky Sword I + any of the following loadouts
1x #1839 Mk84's + 2x #318 150 USG Drop Tank
1x #1839 Mk84's + 2x Mk82s
1x #1839 Mk84's + 2x #1498 Mk.20's
2x #1498 Mk.20's + 38x #1927 Hydra rockets
2x #1498 Mk.20's + 2x #318 150 USG Drop Tank
4x #1498 Mk.20's
2x Hsiung Feng II's
2x #318 150 USG Drop Tank (both for ferrying and extending the combat radius for CAP)

AT-3A with Hsiung Feng II's and AIM-9Ps


AT-3A with more modern Hsiung Feng II's


AT-3A with droptanks


Sources: https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/aidc-at-3-jet-trainer-ground-attack-aircraft/ and https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/taiwan/ajt.htm

Updated to reflect findings in the comment below.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/1/2019 10:32:49 AM   
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Given that a Mk.84 weighs about 900kg and the inboard pylons on the AT-3A are rated at 636kg I think the 2x Mk.84 loadout is optimistic. The Global Security source says "The load capacity of the belly rack is 910kg, capable to carry a High Explosive weighing 907 kg or an AN-M312.7 machine gun bag." so I think it's 1x centreline Mk.84. The sources also indicate that the 150G tanks go on the inboards and the outboards aren't wet pylons. Additionally carrying both rockets and bombs is relatively unusual and I haven't found any images of them from a cursory search. Try:

2x #182 AIM-9P4 or #1767 Sky Sword I + any of the following loadouts
1x #1839 Mk84 + 2x #318 150 USG Drop Tank
4x #1498 Mk20 Rockeye
2x #1498 Mk20 Rockeye + 2x #318 150 USG Drop Tank
2x Hsiung Feng II
2x #318 150 USG Drop Tank (Air Intercept)

As well as adding 2x AAMs to all of the current loadouts.

The mention of a Browning .50 pod is rather odd given the cannon that the jet is reported to have by some sources. This source (page 19) claims that it uses gun packs of some description. I'm not sure how to square the circle here.

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RE: Bangladesh Navy - 10/1/2019 5:19:20 PM   
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Since we are getting CEC-capable AAM-4B is it possible to make meteor CEC-capable, too?
http://www.warfaresims.com/?p=4884
"this capability has also been adopted by the JASDF’s AAM-4 missile and MBDA’s Meteor"

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/2/2019 6:21:26 PM   
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AGM-176 Griffin A. THe database gives a range of 3nm. Several sources claim a range of 10nm for the air launched version. See http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Approval_given_for_Griffin_missile_launch_system_999.html . See also http://www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Magazine%20Documents/2018/June%202018/Almanac_2018_Gallery%20of%20Weapons.pdf at page 113 (giving the range as 12+ miles)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/2/2019 7:11:15 PM   
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Possible error on AGM-65A/B/D Mavrick (CWDB Weapon_725, 726; DB3000 Weapon_950, 1876, 1764) Database gives weapon speed of 800 knts. The following sources give weapon speed of 620 knots (1150 km/hr):

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/3/2019 8:35:52 PM   
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Brimstone 2 and Brimstone Dual-Mode are both missing their laser spot trackers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brimstone_(missile)#Development


The ADM-160A MALD uses a TJ-50 turbojet which allows it to cruise at about mach 0.8 (approx 530 knots) rather than the 400 knots in game.

The ADM-160B MALD, ADM-160C MALD-J, and SPEAR 3 all use the more powerful TJ-150 and are around the 100kg class with a listed cruise speed of about mach 0.9 (approx 600 knots) as opposed to 400 knots currently listed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADM-160_MALD#Specifications_(Northrop_Grumman_ADM-160A)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/3/2019 11:47:01 PM   
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Please add JSOW-ER to F-35C and F/A-18E-F starting 2023.

Details:
-same upgraded imaging infrared (2IR/IIR) seeker as the AGM-154C-1-variant JSOW, which includes new modes (modified software) to engage moving targets at sea
-Powered by TJ-150 turbojet so speed approx 600knots and range approx 463-555km
-slightly smaller warhead

https://www.janes.com/article/86249/raytheon-to-be-awarded-tmrr-and-emd-contracts-for-jsow-er-missile

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=586e2ef2084c020dbeb0aeeddc6ebef1&tab=core&_cview=0

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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 10/3/2019 11:55:06 PM   
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Can the AARGM-ER be added to F-35A-C and F/A-18E-F?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27866/usaf-f-35as-will-get-navys-new-air-defense-busting-missile-amid-talk-of-anti-ship-variants

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/27866/usaf-f-35as-will-get-navys-new-air-defense-busting-missile-amid-talk-of-anti-ship-variants

https://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/AARGM/Documents/AARGM-ER_FactSheet.pdf


quote:

ORIGINAL: SASR

quote:

Interesting stuff indeed, would be great if you could post more info.



AARGM-ER RFI docs here: http://documents.tips/documents/aargm-er-rfi-5608d9faafe23.html

Will have a rocket-ramjet with doubled range over AARGM

From: http://aviationweek.com/defense/f-35cs-cut-back-us-navy-invests-standoff-weapons

"Two new initiatives cover standoff weapons launched outside the range of surface-to-air threats. The new-start Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile – Extended Range (AARGM-ER) gets $267 million in development funding across the 2016-20 FYDP and will mate the existing guidance system and warhead of the AGM-88E AARGM with a new motor. Two motor options were studied: dual-pulse for a 20-50% range improvement, or solid integrated rocket-ramjet for doubled range. Budget documents indicate that the Navy has chosen the rocket."

As posted by DESRON420, internal carriage on the F-35A/C as well as EA-18, Hornet, and Super Hornet with IOC objective of 2021, but the threshold is 2022

From the Table on page 2 of the RFI

"Platform F/A-18A-F, E/A-18G F-35A/C (internal carriage)"

From RFI page 1

"The Government desires information concerning improvements for the AGM-88E missile that meet a fielding requirement of Government Fiscal Year (GFY) 2022 Threshold (T)/2021 Objective (O) following funding start in GFY2016. Production quantity for AARGM is estimated to be between 200 and 1,000 units. Industry recommendations should discuss concepts and designs that leverage existing AARGM hardware and software to the greatest extent possible"

No modifications to the seeker or warhead. Also from RFI page 1

"No capability improvements to the AARGM seeker and warhead performance are desired at this time, and any modifications to the seeker or warhead to support range improvement that adversely affect those two subsystems are to be avoided."

Let me know if you need more info

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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 10/4/2019 2:01:52 PM   
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I posted this in the wrong thread before, will the new CMO have many of the new hypervelocity weapons bandied about in the news nowadays from the US\EU\China\Russia in the databases for our use when this its released? listed as hypothetical maybe?

Thanks

Brian

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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 6:57:11 AM   
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You're still in the wrong thread for that question, try this one: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4687237 The actual CMO FAQ thread.

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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 10:38:21 AM   
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For the developers.
Can you consider to implement "Nuclear Loadouts (Capability)" for these air assets? They have similarities with german counterpart already in the current DB...

(#1569 B61 Tactical/Strategic Bomb [340kT Nuclear] -- 1968)

#1727 F-104G Starfighter Italy (Air Force), 1969-1983
#1733 F-104S Starfighter CBO Italy (Air Force), 1971-1993 [I don't know if they had a nuclear capability]

(#1569 B61 Tactical/Strategic Bomb [340kT Nuclear] -- 1968)

#401 Tornado IDS [A-200A] -- Italy (Air Force), 1985
#1112 Tornado IDS [A-200A] -- Italy (Air Force), 1992
#402 Tornado IDS [A-200A] -- Italy (Air Force), 1995
#1944 Tornado IDS [A-200A] -- Italy (Air Force), 1998
#1867 Tornado IDS [A-200C] -- Italy (Air Force), 2005, MLU
#413 Tornado IDS [A-200C] -- Italy (Air Force), 2007, MLU
#3807 Tornado IDS [A-200C] -- Italy (Air Force), 2012, MLU
#1867 Tornado IDS [A-200C] -- Italy (Air Force), 2005, MLU
#3328 Tornado IDS [A-200C] -- Italy (Air Force), 2015, MLU


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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 12:54:46 PM   
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Can you consider to implement "Nuclear Loadouts (Capability)" for these air assets? They have similarities with german counterpart already in the current DB...

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 9:12:59 PM   
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Please add JSOW-ER to F-35C and F/A-18E-F starting 2023.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 9:49:18 PM   
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C.160FR has both a typo in its name and is missing the probe refueling property

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RE: zhuk-me, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 10:05:31 PM   
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Can the AARGM-ER be added to F-35A-C and F/A-18E-F?

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 10:17:05 PM   
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It seems several variants of the A-4 are missing the probe refueling property.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 10:56:05 PM   
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AC-130U retired (2019). Replaced by J

Bill,

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 10/5/2019 11:03:18 PM   
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New SAM Batteries for South Korea Air Force

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