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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/3/2019 6:53:21 PM   
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All variants of the F-14 are missing the ability to load a total of 28 #1930 127mm Zuni HVAR Rockets in seven LAU-10 pods that each hold four rockets.



Also, all variants of the F-14 A and B are missing the ability to load the Mk-20 Rockeye (10 maximum), Mk 82 AIR (18 maximum), Mk 81 (18 maximum), the maximum amount of 18 standard and snakeeye MK 82s, GBU-10 (two maximum), GBU-12, GBU-16, GBU-24 (all at a maximum of four), and combination loadouts for these weapons. Of course the GBU loadouts would require external designation as these variants did not have a targeting pod.

Here is a F-14A releasing a GBU-24.


Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_F-14_Tomcat#Specifications_%28F-14D%29 , http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-weapons.htm ,

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/3/2019 7:53:56 PM   
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Hey everybody. I would like to make a small series of posts about Iranian air defense assets which entered service in recent years. Unfortunately there is not a lot of Western sources about indigenous Iranian designs, and there is a lot of confusion about them, so I understand that it might be the reason why some of them are not present in DB. I was trying to do my best to find as much info as possible, but still it's somewhat hard to get something from sources which people use to consider as reliable. Not sure if information gatherd by me will be sufficient to add all those systems, but hopefully at least some of them could be added in the future.

For starters I would like to write about the medium range Ra'ad ("Thunder") family systems designed after the Russian Buk and Kub systems. The familiy consits of four different systems: Raad-1, Raad-2, Thabas and 3rd Khordad. Due to the RQ-4 event, 3rd Khordad became quite famous recently, and some more detailed information appeared about it so I'd like to start with it:


3rd Khordad (Sevome Khordad)

The 3rd Khordad is the most sophistacted variant of the Iranian Raad family and was first unveiled in 2014. It can use different configuration of TELs and TELARs with phased array. Each TEL and TELAR can use mix of Sayyad-2C and Taer-2A/B/C missiles. The platform can engage up to four targets with up to eight missiles simultaneously at maximum range of 105km.

Probably the most comprehensive source of iformation about 3rd Khordad are those infographics released by Iranian sources after downing RQ-4:

Small side note: those Taer-2 ranges on the above picture are respectively Taeer-2A, Taer-2B and Taer-2c





Tabas

Tabas is reportedly a cheaper version of 3rd Khordad with max range up to 50-60km using Taer-2A missiles and able to engage 1 target at max altitude of 30km (?) (some more recent information say about the possiblity to simultaneously guide 2 missiles at one target). The least-sophisticated radar that used on the Tabas launcher, is similar to the ‘Fire Dome’ radar used by the Buk M1.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO1mnEOa_Gs

http://english.cctv.com/2017/02/05/ARTIKVwWcoBEQAUIUEFQmmfC170205.shtml
https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/687143/%D8%B4%D8%A7%D9%87%DA%A9%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D9%85%D9%87%D9%85-%D8%AF%D9%88%D9%82%D9%84%D9%88%D9%87%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%B4%D9%86%D8%A7%D8%AE%D8%AA%D9%87-%D8%AF%D8%B1-%D8%B1%D8%B2%D9%85%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B4-%D9%BE%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%86%D8%AF%DB%8C-%D8%B3%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%87-%D8%AF%D8%B3%D8%AA-%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%85

Ra'ad-2

Revealed in 2014 Ra'ad-2 is quite different from Tabas and 3rd Khordad. It uses a different wheeled TEL with electro-optical systems having maximum 55km range and being carried on separate vehicles. TEL carries three Taer-2 missiles that can hit targets at distances of up to 50 km and at altitudes of 20 km.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcbJ05XU4iM

https://oko-planet.su/politik/politikarm/505045-iranskiy-zenitnyy-raketnyy-kompleks-raad-2.html
https://www.mycity-military.com/PVO-i-sistemi-VOJ/Iranski-Sevome-Khordad-3rd-Khordad-PVO-sistem_7.html
https://twitter.com/FieldMarshalPSO/status/1144171318306381824

Ra'ad-1

There is big confusion about this one, because initial reveal of the Ra'ad showed TEL which we know from Tabas or 3rd Khordad and many western articles portrays Ra'ad as such. However, some theories suggest that Ra'ad-1 is actually an improved Kub system on TEL similar to Ra'ad-2. It uses modified 3M9M3 missiles having reportedly 24km range and similarly as Ra'ad-2 it uses set of additional electro-optical and radar sensors.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DyyLvuDXQAAecu7.jpg
https://twitter.com/FieldMarshalPSO/status/1144352340876488704
https://www.mycity-military.com/PVO-i-sistemi-VOJ/Iranski-Sevome-Khordad-3rd-Khordad-PVO-sistem_7.html

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Some general sources about Raad family systems
http://natoassociation.ca/irans-developing-military-capabilities-part-iii-air-defences-section-i/
http://inteloniran.blogspot.com/2017/02/irgc-asf-defenders-of-velayat-skies.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raad_(air_defense_system)
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/raad.htm


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/3/2019 8:24:49 PM   
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The Mk82 AIR #257 is missing a great many weapons carriers. The AIR variant of the Mk82 is just a standard Mk82 with a ballute retarder that allows for a higher speed delivery (700 knots as stated in the description in CMANO) than the Snakeeye variant. This being the case, it should be available to all aircraft that have access to the standard or snakeeye Mk82. However, in the database it is only available to eight aircraft: three supersonic aircraft (the American F-111 and B-1B and the German variant of the Tornado) and five subsonic aircraft (the B-52, B-2, L-159, Alpha Jet, and OA-10.)

Source: http://characterisationexplosiveweapons.org/studies/annex-e-mk82-aircraft-bombs/ and https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/mk82.htm

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/3/2019 10:57:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SakiNoE

Malay, Singapore, Thai Changes
Note: All proposed loadouts are based on the capabilities and loadouts of the aircraft or similar aircraft as currently represented in DB.

New F/A-18D versions to be added for Malaysia:

3 new versions of the Malaysian F/A-18s should be added to the DB, these represent capability upgrades undertaken over the aircraft’s 22 year service period with the RMAF, with the first upgrade being in 2007. Where possible, I have written the new loadouts that would have to be added with each entry along with how previous entries would have to be modified, along with locating related DBID entries.

[NEW] F/A-18D, 2007.
This version acquired the ability to fire the AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM missile, whether this replaced AIM-7Ms entirely is unknown due to the small stockpile of C5s ordered, for this reason I’d recommend carrying the AIM-7Ms CAP loadouts over to this and the 2011 version [see below].

New Loadouts:
A/A: AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, Heavy - 6x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (DBID: 1566, found on USN F/A-18C #1070)
A/A: AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, Light - 2x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 6x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (DBID: 1569, found on USN F/A-18C #1070)
A/A: AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, Standard- 2x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (DBID: 12036, found on USN F/A-18C #1070)

In addition, all other loadouts [except Sparrow A/A] would need to be modified to have AIM-120C-5s instead of Sparrows.

[NEW] F/A-18D, 2011
This version acquired the ability to deploy Mk8X bombs equipped with the JDAM strap-on guidance package. Due to the lack of information regarding which JDAM variants were exported I have elected to use the USN variants, as those are used by the DB’s other Hornet variants. Furthermore, since Malaysia has, to my knowledge, never operated the Mk83 with its F/A-18Ds I have excluded Mk83 JDAM loadouts from the loadout list:

New Loadouts:
GBU-31(V)2/B JDAM [Mk84] (Standoff Strike, Land) - 1x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x GBU-31(V) 2/B JDAM [Mk84], 1x NITE Hawk Pod, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (Closely related loadout: DBID 4110, found on USMC F/A-18D #451, requires removal of TINS Pod and addition of 1 AMRAAM)
GBU-38(V)2/B JDAM [Mk82] (Standoff Strike, Land) - 1x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9M Sidewinder, 2x GBU-31(V) 2/B JDAM [Mk82], 1x NITE Hawk Pod, 2x 330USG Drop Tanks (Closely related loadout: DBID 7934, found on USN F/A-18A+ #2086, requires removal of ATFLIR pod and addition of NITE Hawk)

[NEW] F/A-18D, 2016
This was an extensive upgrade, giving Malaysian F/A-18s the capacity to carry the AIM-9X-2 SRAAM, the AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM and the AN/ASQ-228 ATFLIR. The ATFLIR system most likely replaced the old NITE Hawk pods in RMAF service. While the B-2s were delivered in 2015 I have chosen to consolidate the upgrade into one, 2016, entry. Furthermore, I would recommend removing AIM-7M loadouts from this version. No new loadouts would be needed, but all loadouts would need modification to take advantage of the ATFLIR, C-7 AMRAAM and X-2 Sidewinder capabilities.

Singaporean Changes
[NEW] A330 MRTT, 2018:
Singapore ordered 6 Airbus A330 MRTTs in 2014, and the first was unveiled in September 2018. This would be a clone of DBID #3888.

[NEW] SAMP/T SAM Bty, 2017:
Ordered in 2013, with first delivery in 2017. Clone of #230.

[NEW] M142 HIMARS, 2010:
Ordered in ~2007-2008, first live-fired by Singaporean Army forces in 2010. Near-clone of #1968, but ATACMS capability should be removed due to the fact Singapore has never ordered the ATACMS missile.

Singapore F-15SG Changes
These changes reflect capabilities that were either present at the beginning of the SGs service life or have been since added since

F-15SG, DBID 2925
The F-15SG was acquired during the Peace Carvin V program, along with the equipment already present in this DB entry. Additionally, AAQ-33 Sniper Pods were provided for use with the F-15SGs.I believe, based on SIPRI, that this was used instead of LANTIRN, with LANTIRN being used solely on F-16s until several years later. With this in mind, the proposed loadout changes are listed below;
DBID 15612-1562, replace LANTIRN with Sniper
DBID 19850, 19851, replace LANTIRN with Sniper

Additionally, AGM-154A and C JSOWs were acquired by Singapore, which, according to SIPRI, are used by the F-15SG. Therefore, the following loadouts should be added to DBID 2925:

AGM-154A JSOW (Standoff Strike, Land) - 2x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 2x AGM-154A JSOW, 1x AAQ-33 Sniper, 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [FLIR, CCD TV + TFR], 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [IRST], 2x 750 USG CFT (Closely related loadout: DBID #22848 on ROKAF F-15K #4514, requires replacing C-5 AMRAAM with C-7, Taurus 350 with A JSOW and LANTIRN with Sniper]
AGM-154C JSOW (Standoff Strike, Land/Naval) - 2x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 2x AGM-154C JSOW, 1x AAQ-33 Sniper, 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [FLIR, CCD TV + TFR], 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [IRST], 2x 750 USG CFT (Closely related loadout: DBID #22848 on ROKAF F-15K #4514, requires replacing C-5 AMRAAM with C-7, Taurus 350 with C JSOW and LANTIRN with Sniper]

[NEW] F-15SG, 2013
SIPRI Arms Transfer suggests that AIM-120C-7 capability would have been available for the F-15SG and F-16C/Ds after 2013. Therefore, if this capability were to be added, a new DB entry for 2013 would be required, with all loadouts needing to be modified to replace the C-5 with the C-7 model.

[NEW] F-15SG, 2016
Singapore acquired 20 AIM-9X-2s in 2016, it’s likely these can be equipped with their F-15SGs. Due to the small number acquired I would recommend only replacing A/A loadouts with these missiles.

[NEW] F-15SG, 2019.
Singapore is currently being supplied with GBU-39 Small Diameter Bombs, thanks to a contract signed in 2017, however a delivery date is at present unknown. I based the date off the time taken in historic SAF contracts from order, in this case, 2017, to delivery. The following loadouts would be needed for this aircraft;

GBU-39/B SDB, Sniper XR Pod [FLIR] (Standoff Strike, Land) - 2x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 8x GBU-39/B SDB, 1x AAQ-33 Sniper XR, 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [FLIR, CCD TV + TFR], 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [IRST], 2x 750 USG CFT (Closely related loadout: DBID #2777 on USAF F-15E #4291, requires replacement of AIM-9M with AIM-9X, as well as the removal of LANTIRN to be replaced with the Tiger Eyes FLIR/CCD and Tiger Eyes IRST pods]

GBU-39/B SDB, Sniper XR Pod [FLIR], Long-Range (Standoff Strike, Land) - 2x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM, 2x AIM-9X Sidewinder, 4x GBU-39/B SDB, 1x AAQ-33 Sniper XR, 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [FLIR, CCD TV + TFR], 1x Tiger Eyes Pod [IRST], 2x 750 USG CFT (Closely related loadout: DBID #12283 on USAF F-15E #4291, requires replacement of AIM-9M with AIM-9X, as well as the removal of LANTIRN to be replaced with the Tiger Eyes FLIR/CCD and Tiger Eyes IRST pods]

Singaporean F-16 Changes:
Peace Carvin II-IV [DBID: 900, 1532, 3530, 3531, 2966]
These aircraft were equipped from the beginning with the AIM-9S, replacing the earlier AIM-9P-4s used by the SAF. No new loadouts would be needed for these aircraft, but all loadouts would need modification to use AIM-9S.

Thai Changes:
[NEW] F-16A/B Block 15 MLU, 2012
The RTAF undertook an MLU program for 18 of their F-16s in 2010, replacing the AN/APG-66A ADF radars with the AN/APG-68(V)9 [found on DBID #762], replacing the AN/ALE-40(V)4 countermeasures deployment system with the AN/ALE-47 [found on DBID #3273] and added the ALQ-213 ECM system [found on DBID #3685].

[NEW] EC.725 Caracal, x8, 2010
First delivered in 2010, have received 2 more since, with 6 more planned for 2021. Clone of #4089.

Sources:
SIPRI Arms Transfer Database
United States Defence Security Cooperation Agency
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2018-09-02/singapore-officially-unveils-a330-mrtt
https://defense-update.com/20080301_singapore08_radars.html
https://www.defensenews.com/land/2018/03/29/singapore-confirms-delivery-of-aster-30-missile-with-video-post/
https://archive.is/20120805101251/http://www.mindef.gov.sg/imindef/publications/cyberpioneer/features/2010/jan10_fs.html
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/09/royal-thai-air-force-expands-fleet-with-additional-h225m-order.html

SakiNoE


Wow!

Great request. Thanks!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 12:02:20 AM   
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The Popeye-2 (also known as Have Lite or Popeye Lite) is missing from the database. It is a variant of the AGM-142 Popeye that was introduced to the IAF in 1995. It's standard carriers are the F-16I Sufa and the F-15I (both being able to carry two[the F-15I is also missing the ability to carry two of the normal Popeye, as the Akeef-2000 can]) in service in the IAF and it has a range of 75 miles in an "Anti-Surf" and "Anti-land" capability. The missile can carry a 350 kg high explosive fragmentation warhead or an improved 352 high explosive penetration warhead capable of destroying hardened targets. It uses INS, datalink, GPS, and TV or IIR guidance. It weighs 1135.00 kg, has a diameter of 0.53 m, and a length of 4.25 m.

Image of F-16 launching a Popeye-2.


Sources: https://arquivo.pt/wayback/20091014085519/http://missilethreat.com/cruise/id.30/cruise_detail.asp and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popeye_(missile)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 12:20:30 AM   
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All variants of the F-15I Raam are missing the ability to load the AIM-7 Sparrow missile. Cloning the AIM-7M AA loadouts of the F-15E #776 (but replace the AIM-9M's for Python-4's) and creating combined loadouts of:
x4 AIM-7M III, x2 AIM-120(insert relevant aircraft's missile model), x2 Python-4's, x2 600 gallon drop tanks, x2 750 gallon CFTs
x4 AIM-7M III, x4 AIM-120(insert relevant aircraft's missile model), x2 600 gallon drop tanks, and x2 750 gallon CFTs would be sufficient to resolve this.

Sources: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/f-15i-specs.htm , http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-15i/F-15I.html , https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mcdonnell-douglas-f-15i-eagle-ra-am

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 3:33:06 AM   
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@x2oop

Wow, that gives Iran tons of sharp edges for SAM, and S-300 from Russia is just a tip of an iceberg. The 2019+ scenario will be a lot more challenging. Thanks for your efforts to summarize those references.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 7:10:38 AM   
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@Tookatee, I'm impressed with your findings!

Good examples to follow!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 5:59:20 PM   
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@ProdigyofMilitaryPride Thank you!

The Python-5 missile is missing the ability to be carried by the F-15's past 2005 in the IAF. They should have loadouts created to reflect this (simply cloning the existing air to air loadouts but replacing the Python-4 with the -5 model would be sufficient.)

The Python-4 is also missing from all IAF F-16's beyond 2005. The availability of the Python-5 did not cause these aircraft to lose the capability to load the Python-4.

Sources: https://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/python-5-air-to-air-missile-aam-rafael-israel/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 8:39:52 PM   
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The Shafrir 2 is missing from the IAF #562 A-4H, the IAF #1761 A-4N, and the IAF #3609 TA-4H Skyhawk. Each could carry a maximum of four missiles in place of fuel tanks or ground attack ordinance.

A-4N with a Shafrir 2 equipped on an inner pylon.


A pair of A-4N's in flight with a centerline drop tank and missiles equipped.


The Python-3 and AIM-9P and D is missing from the IAF #3027 and #4589 A-4H, the IAF #4588 and #3610 TA-4H, and the IAF #4590 and #3026 A-4N. Both the Python-3, Python-4, and AIM-9P/D/S are missing from IAF #551 and #105 A-4H and the IAF #3611 TA-4H Skyhawk. They all had the capability to load a maximum of four of either missile in place of its standard ordinance or fuel tanks.

Loadout examples:
x4(insert relevant AA missile), x1 400 USG Drop Tank
x2(insert relevant AA missile), x2 300 USG Drop Tank
X2(insert relevant AA missile), (insert amount of relevant ordinance on the two remaining pylons)

Image of the TA-4H with AIM-9P equipped.





Sources:: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_A-4_Skyhawk , and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_(missile)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 9:41:47 PM   
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The IAF #135 F-4E Kurnass 2000 is missing the ability to load both the AIM-7E2, F, and M Sparrow missiles, six of both of its current Mavericks (rather than the four it has now), and a total of four of either the Shafrir-2, AIM-9P/D/S (the Shafrir-2 and mentioned AIM-9 vairants are also missing for #1497, #523, #1498, and #4591 F-4E's) or Python-4 missiles.

F-4E Kurnass with x6 Maverick loadout equipped.


Sources: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/kurnass-2000.htm , https://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/aircraft/f-4/F-4.html , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F-4_Phantom_II , and the SIPRI Arms Transfer Database

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 9:52:18 PM   
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Please check your photos.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Tookatee

The Shafrir 2 is missing from the IAF #562 A-4H, the IAF #1761 A-4N, and the IAF #3609 TA-4H Skyhawk. Each could carry a maximum of four missiles in place of fuel tanks or ground attack ordinance.

A-4N with Python equipped on inner pylon.Shafrir 2 Not Python


A pair of A-4N's in flight with a centerline drop tank and Pythons equipped.Blurred but more like AIM-9 Not Python


The Python-3 is missing from the IAF #3027 and #4589 A-4H, the IAF #4588 and #3610 TA-4H, and the IAF #4590 and #3026 A-4N. Both the Python-3 and Python-4 are missing from IAF #551 and #105 A-4H and the IAF #3611 TA-4H Skyhawk. They all had the capability to load a maximum of four of either missile in place of its standard ordinance or fuel tanks.

Loadout examples:
x4(insert relevant AA missile), x1 400 USG Drop Tank
x2(insert relevant AA missile), x2 300 USG Drop Tank
X2(insert relevant AA missile), (insert amount of relevant ordinance on the two remaining pylons)

Image of the TA-4H with Pythons equipped.AIM-9P probably but definitely Not Python










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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 9:56:50 PM   
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Thank you for correctly identifying the missiles, but said aircraft were still capable of firing the respective missiles I identified for them, in fact you've pointed out another missile missing from the A-4 for the IAF and I've edited my original message to reflect that.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 10:10:39 PM   
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Not a problem, happy posting.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/4/2019 11:33:52 PM   
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The Shafrir-2 is missing from all IAF F-15's. The Python-3 is also missing from all IAF F-15C/D/I's past 1994. The ability to load the Python-4 did not remove the aircraft's ability to load the Python-3 or Shafrir-2.

F-15 with Python-3


Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=trJ8ThEEZuwC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=Shafrir-2+f-15&source=bl&ots=rV0uEqJW-k&sig=ACfU3U01o-5dgAWj3P2LSjhmszttzrK6ZQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwic262tsZzjAhUDKKwKHSiRB7IQ6AEwFXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Shafrir-2%20f-15&f=false



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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 12:14:30 AM   
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The AIM-7E2 and E4's range is incorrectly set to 24nm instead of 16nm. Also, the AIM-7F, M, and P's range are incorrectly set to 55nm rather than 38nm. In addition, the AIM-7P is missing many weapons carriers, as all aircraft that can carry the AIM-7M can carry the AIM-7P and vice versa. Finally, the AIM-7E4 is missing the ability to be loaded onto any variant of the American F-14 as that was what it was designed for originally with it's new seeker head.

Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-7_Sparrow , https://www.456fis.org/AIM-7_SPARROW.htm , https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/aim-7-specs.htm , and http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-7.html

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 4:16:39 AM   
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All variants of the R-27 are missing from: #3965 Mig-29KUB, #3913 Mig-35 Fulcrum F, and the #3914 Mig-35 Fulcrum F. The T and ET variants of the R-27 are missing from the #275 and #3723 SU-34 Fullback. The number they could carry would be equivalent in number to the current AA loadouts these aircraft have.

Su-34 with R-27s equipped


The R-27ET is missing from the #2689 SU-35S. The R-60 (four maximum) is missing from the #849 Mig-29UB and both the R-60 (four maximum) and R-27ER, T, and ET are missing from the #741, #843, #842, #1049-1050 Mig-29 Fulcrum. These would be included in combined loadouts like they are on the SU-27 (one T one R with two R-73s or R-60s or one ET and one ER with two R-73s or R-60s, etc.)

Mig-29 with R-27, R-73, and R-60 equipped.



Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-27_(air-to-air_missile) , http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/avv/r27.html , http://www.military.cz/russia/air/weapons/rockets/aam/r27/r27.htm ,and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29#Specifications_(MiG-29)

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 8:17:09 AM   
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quote:

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Mig-29 with R-27, R-73, and R-60 equipped.
...


Czechoslovak and later Czech and Slovak Air Forces were/are showing many times MiG-29 armed with R-27R1, R-73E and R-60MK together but it was only for show/deception. MiG-29 9.12 cannot use this combination in combat. Combat loadout was either 2x R-27R1 and 4x R-73E or 2x R-27R1 and 4x R-60MK. For peacetime QRA only 2x R-60MK was/is standard.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 10:49:13 AM   
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Please use the search function before posting requests.
The MiG-29 R-27 saga is well known and has been resolved.
As stated most MiG-29 never had R-27T and never had either the ER or ET.
ET and ER were offered as options only on late models like the SMT which had a radar that could exploit the extended range.
Its been discussed and evidenced at length previously.


Yep my bad, apologies as I can't find it either so my memory or the search isn't up to scratch, and the original post I made was lousy on references.

There used to be a spreadsheet for DB requests which has been deleted which may have had stuff on,
The KH-41 / SU-33 post Svp-24 upgrade bomb loads etc are worth a search though.


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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 5:28:29 PM   
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I didn't even know that was something you could do on this forum, I'm quite new to the Matrix forums. Although after finding and using that feature, I still can't find anything else mentioned here on the R-27 for the modern MiG-29s. The one thing I was able to find was one other comment by you on the topic saying that it wasn't possible, but you don't really elaborate on it and don't give any sources.

Also, most of the aircraft I listed are the modern, upgraded variants of the MiG-29 (the SMT variant is one of them, of which is missing the missiles I and you indicated for it in the latest database), so even if you were right I don't really see your point.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 5:32:16 PM   
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Before the R-73 became operational, MiG-29s used the R-60 as their SRAAM. All the documentation I could find indicated that to be the case and while the R-73 mostly replaced the R-60 in that role, the aircraft still retain the capability to load and fire the missile. Now I don't know about the Czech, or Slovakian MiG-29's (which is why I didn't include them in my post on the topic), but I'd assume that those aircraft would probably be the ones to retain the R-60 in operational use the longest as they were probably among the last to receive the top of the line R-73.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 7:22:13 PM   
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On the contrary Czechoslovakia was one of the earlier user of R-73E missile but because only limited number was bought the R-60MK was still used with MiG-29. For show and deception these both missiles were mounted on MiG-29 but because of system limitation this combination cannot be used in combat. So Czechoslovak/Czech/Slovak could go to combat with all R-60MK or all R-73E (plus R-27R1) but not combination.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 7:27:29 PM   
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@Tookatee
I think there is a misunderstanding. MiG-29 (even 9.12A) can use R-27, R-60 and R-73, but I guess PN79 meant
that it cannot use combination of those 3 missiles at once. Possible Combinations are 2 x R-27s with 4 x R-60s or 4 x R-73s

@Dysta
Thanks for appreciation! I hope also to gather some info and write about systems using RIM-66 based Sayyad missiles, like Talash or 15th Khordad.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 7:30:30 PM   
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Oh, I thought you were saying they couldn't hold the R-60 at all. As they are in the latest database the MiGs I've identified do not have the ability to load the R-60 at all, combination loads or not. In fact in my original message I don't even state that they could load a combined R-60/R-73 loadout, it's only in the picture that that's demonstrated (which I chose because it showed the full AA arsenal of the MiG-29.)

In fact, both the Czech Republic and Czechoslovakia seem to be missing the MiG-29 in it's entirety.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/5/2019 7:43:46 PM   
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Yeah, x2oop - that is what I wanted to say. CS/CZ/S air forces had tendency to mount impossible loadouts to aircrafts in display creating confusion what can be actually used.

Tookatee - I agree that it is unfortunate that in database MiG-29 with R-73 loadout somehow lost R-60 loadout. Ideally there would be both possibilities to equip the MiG.

As long as I can get same variant from different country I don't really care that some specific country lacks some specific aircraft. It is pain only when the proper supplement is missing completely.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/6/2019 5:54:35 AM   
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Providing some more information and perspective on a four of the Mexican Navy platforms I requested...

ARM Quetzalcoatl (D 101) [Ex-USS Vogelgesang, Mexico, 1982-2002]
ARM Netzalhualcóyotl (D 102) [Ex-USS Steinaker, Mexico, 1982-2014]


Their stats would be akin to the Turkish Gearing-class Destroyers, but the 35mm are swapped out for 40mm Bofors AA Guns. And it's unknown if they do possess chaff/flare dispensers. (Information on the Mexican Navy ships is somewhat iffy)

ARM Cuauhtémoc (E01) [Ex-USS Harrison, Mexico, 1970-1982]
ARM Cuitláhuac (E02) [Ex-USS John Rodgers, Mexico, 1970-2001]


Their stats would be similar to the Fletcher-class Destroyers fielded by the Brazilians and Turkish Navy.

Information Links:
http://www.microworks.net/pacific/ships/destroyers/fletcher.htm
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Netzahualc%C3%B3yotl_(D-102)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_Netzahualc%C3%B3yotl_(D-102)
https://web.archive.org/web/20080617140232/http://www.semar.gob.mx/newclass/guerra.htm
http://www.semar.gob.mx/galeria/buques/superficie2004/guerra/destructor/quetzalcoatl.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gearing-class_destroyer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Steinaker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_John_Rodgers_(DD-574)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Harrison_(DD-573)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Vogelgesang_(DD-862)
http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/863.htm
http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/862.htm
https://www.marines.mil/Portals/1/Publications/Mexico%20Study_4.pdf

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/6/2019 5:26:19 PM   
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It seems several variants of the A-4 are missing the probe refueling property.
#1843 A-4G
#1691 A-4K
#191 A-4K Kahu
#3613 TA-4G
#3614 TA-4K
#3615 TA-4K Kahu

Also I was hoping in the interest of having a modernized carrier capable skyhawk with more than just dumb bombs like the Brazilian AF-1 we could get either the kiwi Kahu made carrier capable or perhaps a new hypothetical version of it to leave the original as it should be. Maybe some hypothetical loadouts for the AF-1 might be better but not speaking Portuguese makes it hard to find much data on what they can carry besides vague "modern day munitions".

Thank you for your time.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/6/2019 8:25:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Skyhawk88

It seems several variants of the A-4 are missing the probe refueling property.
#1843 A-4G
#1691 A-4K
#191 A-4K Kahu
#3613 TA-4G
#3614 TA-4K
#3615 TA-4K Kahu

Also I was hoping in the interest of having a modernized carrier capable skyhawk with more than just dumb bombs like the Brazilian AF-1 we could get either the kiwi Kahu made carrier capable or perhaps a new hypothetical version of it to leave the original as it should be. Maybe some hypothetical loadouts for the AF-1 might be better but not speaking Portuguese makes it hard to find much data on what they can carry besides vague "modern day munitions".

Thank you for your time.



Hey Skyhawk88,

Can you please post some references or photographs. Making changes to the database is work enough without re-researching every request to confirm it.

If you're unable to do this due to being a new user you can drop me a PM.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/6/2019 11:04:46 PM   
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Here are images supporting the refueling capabilities of the A-4's he specified, in each one you can see the refueling probe.

#1843


#1691 and #191 (#191 is just #1691 with updated avionics)


#3613


#3614


#3615

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 7/7/2019 3:24:49 AM   
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All variants of the American A-10, B-2, B-52, F-15E, F-16, F-35, and all other variants of the F/A-18 are missing the ability to load the Mk82 Snakeeye.
Also, the Mk 83 AIR and the Mk 84 AIR should also have all the aircraft included on their LDGB versions.

Image displaying the full armament of the F-35 as stated by Lockheed Martin (this also highlights the fact that it can't equip the LDGB Mk82/3/4 and their ballute versions as well.)



Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_82_bomb, https://www.slideshare.net/robbinlaird/f-35-and-current-weapons, and CMANO (as all aircraft that can hold the Mk 82/3/4 can equip the Ballute or Snakeeye versions of those weapons as they are purely mechanical bolt-on modifications to the bomb itself.)

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