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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 10:24:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: spec111

Mike, what about this?

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ORIGINAL: spec111

Hello! There is HUGE MAJOR error of S-300P-series organization in Command!

Lets look at S-300PS. Whole AD system is called BRIGADE! (It is given to Front\Military Region Command in peace time.)

Brigade has HQ Vehicle 5N83S, 36D6 Tin Shield B Radar and 4 (for PS and PMU, and up to 6 for PMU-1) AD BNs (which is called "Antiaircraft Missile Complex".)

Every BN has:
HQ Vehicle 5N63S, 5N63S Flap Lid B and 5N66 Clam Shell B radars.
And up to four "Launch Complexes" (which is batteries). Every battery consists one "master" (with firecontrol box) 5P85S TEL and two "slave" (without firecontrol box) 5P85D TELs. So every "master" TEL can support only two "slave" TELs.

So at maximum in battalion we have 3x4=12 TELs.

12! Not four as we have on chinese SA-20a "Bn" (which is supplied with full pack of BNs radars). And not four as we have with SA-20b "Bn" (i.e. errorish battery which is supplied with _BRIGADE_ level Cheese Board long-range radar!).

In fact there is same problem with russian S-300V. With 9 TELs+LLVs it is not BN, it is only regular battery!

Thx.




Its interesting and will definitely look into it when I'm working on database stuff again.

Mike


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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/1/2017 4:09:58 PM   
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Sea Hercules C.6 (SC-130J-30) - Country: United Kingdom

Could we add a new hypothetical unit to the database please?

It is for the UK-specific proposal for an SC-130J Sea Hercules which, although not the favourite to win, was a serious option prior to the UK selecting the P-8A Poseidon.

This hypothetical aircraft is particularly interesting because it is not simply an Orion-in-a-Hercules solution as per the generic version being pitched globally.

Instead, using an expanded version of the palletised, Ro-Ro, Merlin Cerberus system, it would have been capable of both ASW and the Crowsnest's ASaC role - a unique platform trading the high altitude ASW (HAASW) capability of the P-8A with its long-range HAAWC torpedos for something a little more "British" in lower altitude surveillance, ELINT and hunting.

A backdrop to the proposal included the UK's decision to life-extend their C.6 fleet in the SDSR 2015 review. This decision part-reversed the planned fleet retirement and further fuelled speculation that there was a way in for an expanded "Ro-Ro" Hercules fleet, incorporating the Sea Herc.

The SC-130J proposal from LM was based on modifying 10 existing RAF stretched C-130J-30's before 2020, so the C.6 (#4374) may be the closest aircraft to base this on. In addition to the aircraft crews, training and support infrastructure already existed entirely in the UK leading to a rapid stand-up time predicted for a squadron.

The common aircraft modifications proposed included:

- Lengthened sponsons holding a pair of weapons bays and extended fuel tanks. Models shown at conferences suggest a 4-6 Torpedo capacity, up to 3 per bay. In RAF service these would most likely be Stingray [sic] Mod 1's (#1596).
- An MX-20HD turret on the chin (Closest match in the database is the AN/ASX-4 Sensor Group #3017)
- A Radome on the belly for 360 degree unrestricted view housing an AESA, though the Searchwater 2000 (#5539) used on the Crowsnest is a good match and a plausible selection

The existing outer wing pylons with dual strongbacks would be retained. Possible stores on the pylons include

- 4 x Harpoon - Explicitly mentioned by LM as part of the pitch, likely AGM-84L Harpoon II (#816) given the timelines)
- 6 x Brimstone 2 (#3035) - Speculative: 8 x Hellfire 2 was frequently discussed by commentators as already demonstrated on the similar KC-130J, however the UK is integrating the 2 x 3 rail launched indigenous weapon on several platforms.
- 2 x Storm Shadow (#957) - Speculative: Purely based on 4 pictured on the Nimrod MRA.4, reprinted in the press at the time of Sea Hercules proposal, and speculation at the time. Unsure if the strongbacks can support a dual load per pylon.
- 4 x JSM (#2885) - Speculative: Based on this weeks announcement that Kongsberg will integrate JSM onto the P-8A ahead of the Norwegian purchase, with significant UK interest due to sharing P-8A and F-35A/B platforms. Lighter missile can be supported in pairs by the strongback pylons.

The mission systems and stores proposed were all expanded, palletised, Roll-on, Roll-off equipment from the Merlin HM.2 and Crowsnest program (ASW and ASaC/AEW functions).

- ESM explicitly mentioned by LM. Merlin uses Orange Reaper #2900.
- An optional MAD was pitched.
- For sonobuoys, a rotary door ejector was listed and the Hercules carrying capacity mentioned as an advantage over the P-8A. It is more likely that full A-sized sonobuoys would have been used than the smaller versions carried by helicopters (#2549, #2541 and #2505 are from the MRA.4 record, although UK company ULTRA also manufactures the P-8A sonobuoys for the USN #1939, #2482 and #2496)
- Comms/Datalinks are as per C.6, but the pallets introduce Link-16, Ku Satcom, INMARSAT and WBDL.

Given the above, Loadouts would likely have been:

- Cargo and Passengers as per baseline C.6 as the Palletised Ro-Ro system was explicitly advertised as not changing these capabilities.
- SAR
- Maritime Surveillance
- 6 x Stingray, Sonobouys (ASW)
- 6 x Stingray, 4 x Harpoon II, Sonobouys (Sea Control)
- 6 x Stingray, 4 x JSM, Sonobouys (Sea Control)
- 6 x Stingray, 6 x Brimstone, Sonobouys (Littoral Sea Control)
- 2 x Storm Shadow (Stand Off Land Strike)
- 4 x JSM (Long Range ASuW Strike, land attack capability)
- Pallet change times for the advanced roles were variously stated, 30 minute pallet load + 15 minute power-checks given for the pallets for example. Though I imagine weapon loads could take longer on top of that?

"Merlin Cerberus" SC-130J materials for further reading:

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/dsei-2015-naval-show-daily-news/3113-lockheed-sees-its-sc-130j-sea-herc-as-the-affordable-solution-to-answer-uk-future-mpa-needs.html

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dsei-lockheed-martin-pitches-sc-130j-conversion-to-416741/











A video covering the basics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjFijMCgh24

"Generic" SC-130J materials for an aircraft based on P-3C systems for further reading:

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/aero/photos/c-130/Variants/M12-1166510A002%20SC-130J%20Sea%20Herc%20Bro%20Media.pdf

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed/data/aero/documents/global-sustainment/product-support/2012HOC-Presentations/Wednesday/Wed%201530%20Sea%20Herc-LM-Mike%20Bell.pdf

EDIT: MAD was later announced as an option.

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/2/2017 6:19:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: spec111

Hello! There is HUGE MAJOR error of S-300P-series organization in Command!

Lets look at S-300PS. Whole AD system is called BRIGADE! (It is given to Front\Military Region Command in peace time.)

Brigade has HQ Vehicle 5N83S, 36D6 Tin Shield B Radar and 4 (for PS and PMU, and up to 6 for PMU-1) AD BNs (which is called "Antiaircraft Missile Complex".)

Every BN has:
HQ Vehicle 5N63S, 5N63S Flap Lid B and 5N66 Clam Shell B radars.
And up to four "Launch Complexes" (which is batteries). Every battery consists one "master" (with firecontrol box) 5P85S TEL and two "slave" (without firecontrol box) 5P85D TELs. So every "master" TEL can support only two "slave" TELs.

So at maximum in battalion we have 3x4=12 TELs.

12! Not four as we have on chinese SA-20a "Bn" (which is supplied with full pack of BNs radars). And not four as we have with SA-20b "Bn" (i.e. errorish battery which is supplied with _BRIGADE_ level Cheese Board long-range radar!).

In fact there is same problem with russian S-300V. With 9 TELs+LLVs it is not BN, it is only regular battery!

Thx.


Ok I see what you're talking about and have no idea why we named things the way we did unless somebody had other info. The good news is if you're right the confusions seems to be Bty vs. Battalion which isn't a hard fix. Anyways will converse with the team. In the mean time use as battery's and ignore the word

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/2/2017 9:17:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kitchens Sink


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ORIGINAL: Kitchens Sink

This missile looks to be ship/sub capable according to the Launch Altitude Info, but I can't find a mount to use it with, or method to load a Weapons Record to an existing mount for Chinese Ships.

I realize the actual missile may not quite yet be in full service, but I am developing a scenario set in the future and thought I would be able to up-gun a large Chinese warships to carry some of them since the missile does exist in the database.

I am currently using the P-800 Onyx as a stand-in for up-gunning because it's characteristics are similar.

Am I missing something on how to add this missile?

Thanks!


I thought I would bump this to see if the Dev's could give me some help. The missile in question is DB ID #2862 YJ-12 SSM

Thanks!


I also noticed the SSM YJ-12 missile is in the DB viewer but doesn't show up when attempting to add weapon record. The air launched YJ-12 seems to be there but not the SSM version.

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/2/2017 9:36:35 PM   
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Yes orca, I think I officially flogged the deceased equine with this post:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4227129

Not a big deal since the air launched version seems to work on a ship, even though it has a min launch altitude of 200 ft. AGL.

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/3/2017 12:51:30 AM   
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Some new SHORAD/C-RAM for the US Army......

Overview: http://asc.army.mil/web/portfolio-item/ms-ifpc_inc_2-i/

quote:

The Indirect Fire Protection Capability Increment 2 – Intercept (IFPC Increment 2-I) Block 1 System is a mobile, ground-based weapon system designed to defeat unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) and cruise missiles.

The Block 1 system will use an existing interceptor and sensor and will develop a Multi-Mission Launcher (MML) on an existing vehicle platform to support the Counter-UAS (C-UAS) and Cruise Missile Defense (CMD) missions. The system will use the Army Integrated Air and Missile Defense (AIAMD) open systems architecture, and will use the AIAMD Integrated Battle Command System as its mission command component.


The radar is the AN/MPQ-64F1 Improved Sentinel: http://www.thalesraytheon.com/fileadmin/tmpl/Products/pdf/Improved_Sentinel_Radar_Data_Sheet_-_April_2011.pdf

quote:

AN/MPQ-64F1 Improved Sentinel
Specifications
Range Extension Improvement ■ Improved target detection at extended
ranges - especially cruise missiles
(CM) and Unmanned Aerial Vehicles
(UAV)
■ Improved target detection for Rotary
Wing (RW) and Fixed Wing (FW)
aircraft
■ Improved capability to cue targets
beyond visual range
Signal Data Processor ■ 10 slot VME-64x Rack with slots
available for growth
■ Multiple On-board computers

Receiver ■ X-Band, single channel
■ Single LRU
Exciter ■ X-Band, DDS Technology
■ Single Master Oscillator
upconverted to generate frequency
■ Single LRU
Transmitter ■ X-Band, Multiple TWT
■ Low/Mid/High PRFs

Motor Controller ■ Digital Interface to the Signal Data
Processor
■ Improved DC Motor and Controller
New Operating Modes ■ Full Coverage Mode - Surveillance
from Horizon (terrain) to ~18
degrees, providing balanced height
coverage
■ Low Altitude Coverage Mode -
Surveillance from Horizon to ~5
degrees, providing focused energy
and fast revisit times for low altitude
advanced target threats (cruise
missiles, UAVs)


quote:

The radar will detect, identify, classify and track aircraft (i.e., Fixed Wing, Rotary
Wing, etc.) from the nap of the earth to 55º in elevation and 360º azimuth within an airspace search
range of more than 75km.


From: http://defense-update.com/20150328_mml.html
quote:

The Improved Sentinel (AN/MPQ-64F1) is a 3D phased array tactical air defense radar developed by ThalesRaytheon Systems. It automatically detects, tracks, identifies, classifies and reports airborne threats. It detects helicopters, high-speed attack aircraft and cruise missiles over 360°. IFPC Inc. 2-I will fund the software upgrades to support the current Sentinel’s counter UAS and CM mission.


From: http://www.armyrecognition.com/weapons_defence_industry_military_technology_uk/us_army_has_tested_new_air_defene_system_ifpc_inc_2-i_multi_mission_launcher_12804161.html
quote:

One of the most visible features of the IFPC Inc 2-I system is its Multi-Mission Launcher, MML. The launcher, mounted on a medium tactical truck similar in size to a delivery truck, carries 15 modular missile launch tubes on a turret system allowing the missiles to be launched in almost any direction.


Missiles that have been fired from the launcher so far are the AIM-9X, Hellfire, Tamir and MHTK

Deployment is 2019. The MHTK (EAPS) can be quad packed for a total of 60 interceptors per launcher

From: http://defense-update.com/20150328_mml.html
quote:

Following the planned demonstration the Army expects to unfold EAPS into the IFPC Inc. 2-I program, meeting the systems’ Block-2 phase fielding credible C-RAM, in addition to Block I Counter Cruise Missile and UAV capability, to be fielded in two active duty and seven National Guard battalions beginning in 2019.


quote:

The main advantage of MHTK, besides its low cost, is the larger Load out it offers for each MML. With four MHTK missiles integrated into each tube, the system can hold 15 tubes – or 60 interceptors – a critical capability in combating saturation attacks, with multiple simultaneous engagements, characteristic of RAM threats. It also allows stacking few larger missiles with dozens of miniature interceptors.

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/4/2017 6:34:22 AM   
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Su-34 equipped with electronic warfare station group protection of EPS-14, at a military airfield in Buturlinovka (01/31/2017)

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2412789.html
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/364168.html
You do not plan to add to the Su-34, a system of electronic interference?
And I saw in the database system of the error, in the first MiG-31 electronic warfare station not Sorbitsiya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-407.html
secondly, at the Iskander-M missile complex has a nuclear warhead
warhead is designated 9N70, Power steering 5-50kT.
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-816.html
http://www.milkavkaz.net/2017/01/rf-planiruet-modernizirovat-otrk-iskander.html
In the third, I wrote it here, on the Su-35S optical detection station a missile launch, a similar French Rafale.



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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/6/2017 1:22:14 AM   
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Hello guys.

Please include Thales PFAS, Planar Flank Array Sonar (TSM 2253 PDVF?) in the submarines of the following classes:

SCORPENE:
-Malasia, Tunku Abdul Rahman. (DB entry # 510)
-Chile, Carrera. (DB entry # 309)
-India, Kalvari. (DB entry # 108)
-Brasil, Riachuelo. (DB entry # 628)

RUBIS:
-France, Rubi (DB entry # 89, # 593, # 457, # 594)

TYPE 209-1300:
-Indonesia, Cakra (DB entry # 583)
-Ecuador, Shyri (DB entry # 578)

http://www.thales7seas.com/flash_2014/index.html
http://www.thales7seas.com/flash_2014/files/thales_Planar_Flank_AS.pdf

Thanks!

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RE: DB ID#2862 YJ-12 SSM - 2/6/2017 3:24:36 AM   
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Could you add 'SS-N-1 Scud-a' in CWDB/DB3000 as well? It's designed for weapon trials to launch from Golf-class submarines, before Sark is in service.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scud 'SS-N-1 Scud A (1955) (R-11FM, KN-11 relative?)'

----

And, there are some missing Armored and Artillery platoons for China in DB3000, all missing in CWDB:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_59_tank
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_63_(tank)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_63_(armoured_personnel_carrier)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_63_anti-aircraft_gun
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_63_multiple_rocket_launcher (Type 63 107mm MLRS)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-14#Similar_designs (Type 63 130mm MLRS, Katyusha copy)
...and more.

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/6/2017 6:31:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WARMONGER1944

Could you please add:

-Murmansk-BN
-Borisoglebsk-2
-Rtut-BM

You can find info and links about all of them here: http://www.russiadefence.net/t2461p240-russian-electronic-warfare-systems



Here is some more info on these
https://russiandefpolicy.blog/2015/10/27/how-good-is-russian-electronic-warfare-part-i/

http://militarium.net/system-walki-radioelektronicznej-murmansk-bn/

http://defence-blog.com/army/russian-army-received-new-murmansk-bn-electronic-warfare-complex.html

https://informnapalm.org/en/5320-murmansk-electronic-warfare-complex-takes-root-in-crimea/

http://redstar.ru/index.php/newspaper/item/27355-korotkovolnovyj-zaslon

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/8/2017 12:00:53 PM   
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Could you add Land Structures as a Target type to #3158 - Sea Venom [FASGW(H) / ANL] please?

quote:

"...ability to attack a wide range of surface targets ranging from small high speed surface craft up to large surface vessels such as corvettes, as well as coastal and land targets."


Source: http://www.leonardocompany.com/-/fasgw-aw159-wildcat-contract

Added

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/9/2017 8:06:55 PM   
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Spike NLOS for South Korean AW.159 Wildcat

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dsei-aw159-south-korea-delivery-due-this-year-416840/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kforcemedia/albums/72157668685988394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3EOD8Mrmw (0:30 onwards)

Damn, I just saw that KLAB already requested this end of last year... You might still want to take a look at the video. At around 0:33 you get a glimpse on a specification board that lists the onboard sensors, weapons, countermeasures and the Link-16 datalink.



Updated DB version of Chinese Z-9C

Could you add a new version that comes with a light ASuW loadout? Following the first PLAN anti-piracy deployments in 2008 and 2009, a clouple of naval Z-9s were modified to allow the aircraft to carry one 19x57mm rocket pod plus a PC-1AY 12,7mm Gun Pod. Other visible changes include the relocation of the FLIR turret. Since then, it seems like a larger batch of Z-9Cs has been converted to this standard.

I tried to pinpoint an In-service date for this version, without success. The best I could come up with is that the earliest appearance of this version dates back to 3. March 2010 with the deployment of the 5th Chinese Naval Escort Flotilla to the Gulf of Aden. All previous Escort Flotillas, excluding the 4th, are known to have deployed with the Ka-27 or later the common Z-9 version.

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.de/p/helicopters-i.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLAN-CV.html#mozTocId444734
http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/piracy.htm
http://www.junjian.wang/data/0003/54/14523141484718.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KVZ7X81.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3ICOPEoXAeI/UDhKVHjZw3I/AAAAAAAABlQ/cA999MMWXYQ/s1600/Z-9C8.jpg
http://globaldefence.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/WZ-9-Waffeneinsatz.jpg
http://files.activeboard.com/858070?AWSAccessKeyId=1XXJBWHKN0QBQS6TGPG2&Expires=1487808000&Signature=QVstLEX8fbMnqP1ro1VN3mGZbnU%3D

Hope this is worth an add. Thanks in advance!

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/9/2017 9:48:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

Spike NLOS for South Korean AW.159 Wildcat

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/dsei-aw159-south-korea-delivery-due-this-year-416840/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/kforcemedia/albums/72157668685988394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3EOD8Mrmw (0:30 onwards)

Damn, I just saw that KLAB already requested this end of last year... You might still want to take a look at the video. At around 0:33 you get a glimpse on a specification board that lists the onboard sensors, weapons, countermeasures and the Link-16 datalink.



Updated DB version of Chinese Z-9C

Could you add a new version that comes with a light ASuW loadout? Following the first PLAN anti-piracy deployments in 2008 and 2009, a clouple of naval Z-9s were modified to allow the aircraft to carry one 19x57mm rocket pod plus a PC-1AY 12,7mm Gun Pod. Other visible changes include the relocation of the FLIR turret. Since then, it seems like a larger batch of Z-9Cs has been converted to this standard.

I tried to pinpoint an In-service date for this version, without success. The best I could come up with is that the earliest appearance of this version dates back to 3. March 2010 with the deployment of the 5th Chinese Naval Escort Flotilla to the Gulf of Aden. All previous Escort Flotillas, excluding the 4th, are known to have deployed with the Ka-27 or later the common Z-9 version.

http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.de/p/helicopters-i.html
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-PLAN-CV.html#mozTocId444734
http://www.jeffhead.com/redseadragon/piracy.htm
http://www.junjian.wang/data/0003/54/14523141484718.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KVZ7X81.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3ICOPEoXAeI/UDhKVHjZw3I/AAAAAAAABlQ/cA999MMWXYQ/s1600/Z-9C8.jpg
http://globaldefence.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/WZ-9-Waffeneinsatz.jpg
http://files.activeboard.com/858070?AWSAccessKeyId=1XXJBWHKN0QBQS6TGPG2&Expires=1487808000&Signature=QVstLEX8fbMnqP1ro1VN3mGZbnU%3D

Hope this is worth an add. Thanks in advance!


NLOS loadout is in there for the Wildcat. Look at aircraft 3374 in the most recent DB.

Interesting bit on Z-9 will add at some point.

Thanks!

Mike

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/10/2017 12:51:52 AM   
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New faction request: Sea Shepherd / NGO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_Shepherd_Conservation_Society

As well as some steel-hulled, high endurance and faster fishing/processing vessels, good enough to challenge coast guards and even some coastal navies.

Example:
http://www.smh.com.au/national/monster-fishing-ship-in-pacific-east-of-australia-20140216-32tr3.html
http://www.marineinsight.com/types-of-ships/video-lafayette-the-worlds-biggest-ship-for-fish-processing/

http://britishseafishing.co.uk/atlantic-dawn-the-ship-from-hell/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FV_Margiris
http://www.donegaldaily.com/2016/12/01/naval-service-boards-trawler-off-donegal-as-concerns-mount-about-margiris/

http://www.worldfishing.net/news101/shipyardsrepairers/nsk-designs-krill-trawler-conversion
http://www.worldfishing.net/news101/shipyardsrepairers/wartsila-to-design-worlds-largest-krill-vessel

http://m.thanhniennews.com/politics/china-sends-armored-fishing-boats-to-ram-vietnamese-ships-near-illegal-rig-26458.html (Converts, armored and/or armed)

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/16/12940708/global-fishing-watch (Monitoring Website)



It's for an non-military maritime scenario I am planning with. Such as the "Global Fishing Navies" by Chinese surrogates, anti-illegal fishing/whaling and more.

Inspired by this website: http://thestrategybridge.org/the-bridge/2016/6/24/dark-matter-fisheries

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/10/2017 6:37:28 PM   
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From the newest patch, there are some questions on the China related additions:

- I didnt find the HQ-19 ABM anywere. Or is the SC-19 suppossed to be the only ABM/ASAT system added?

- Also, the JD-16 Sino-Growler doesnt have a SEAD loadout, but only unarmed stand-off jamming? Sure, we havent seen any equipment on the JD-16 IRL either, but it would be logical for a dedicated ECM fighter to carry some ARMs like YJ-91s.

- Furthermore, the newer J-10C seems to feature an obsolete DECM system (Average Generic DECM) compared to its older J-10B brethren (Advance Generic DECM or even newer KG-600 DECM pod).

- ALso, I would like to again request that the Y-8Q gets a better surface search radar, since it is kinda illogical that the premiere ASW/MPA of the PLAN gets only a 25 nmi ranged surface search radar from the 70s. It's large radome under its chin would be capable to house at least a similiar radar as the much older Y-8X non-ASW capable MPA.
Chinese Military Aviation even suggests that the radar might be even a development of the British Skymaster/Searchwater 2000 radar equipped on China's older Y-8J surveillance planes.
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/surveillance-aircraft-i.html

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/10/2017 7:09:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

From the newest patch, there are some questions on the China related additions:

- I didnt find the HQ-19 ABM anywere. Or is the SC-19 suppossed to be the only ABM/ASAT system added?

- Also, the JD-16 Sino-Growler doesnt have a SEAD loadout, but only unarmed stand-off jamming? Sure, we havent seen any equipment on the JD-16 IRL either, but it would be logical for a dedicated ECM fighter to carry some ARMs like YJ-91s.

- Furthermore, the newer J-10C seems to feature an obsolete DECM system (Average Generic DECM) compared to its older J-10B brethren (Advance Generic DECM or even newer KG-600 DECM pod).

- ALso, I would like to again request that the Y-8Q gets a better surface search radar, since it is kinda illogical that the premiere ASW/MPA of the PLAN gets only a 25 nmi ranged surface search radar from the 70s. It's large radome under its chin would be capable to house at least a similiar radar as the much older Y-8X non-ASW capable MPA.
Chinese Military Aviation even suggests that the radar might be even a development of the British Skymaster/Searchwater 2000 radar equipped on China's older Y-8J surveillance planes.
http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/surveillance-aircraft-i.html


If you can provide data will add and adjust. I can't just add stuff based on your speculation. Sorry!

Thanks!

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/10/2017 10:33:30 PM   
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I understand. But why delay the inevitable? Building a Wild-Weasel and giving it no approapriate anti-radar weapons makes as much sense as to make a Maritime Patrol Plane and giving it no long range surface search radar.
It is not that I request adding deathray cannons or quantum radars or anything (although there are indeed signs that are pointing to that direction).

In a few month time, I or someone else would surely come over to this thread and post pictoral evidence confirming those no-brainer speculations.

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 2/10/2017 11:55:37 PM   
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quote:

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I understand. But why delay the inevitable? Building a Wild-Weasel and giving it no approapriate anti-radar weapons makes as much sense as to make a Maritime Patrol Plane and giving it no long range surface search radar.
It is not that I request adding deathray cannons or quantum radars or anything (although there are indeed signs that are pointing to that direction).

In a few month time, I or someone else would surely come over to this thread and post pictoral evidence confirming those no-brainer speculations.


I know you advocate heavily for Chinese equipment but our goals are different. In our case we've got to make sure we don't implement stuff way to early or overstate their capabilities. This is driven partially by a desire to be accurate and disciplined but also making sure our changes don't really mess up somebody's scenario. We definitely appreciate any constructive help you can give.

Thanks

Mike

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ROKAF A.330-200 - 2/11/2017 3:46:12 AM   
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South Korean Airbus A.330-200 mrtt isn't 275,600lb(125,000kg).

Please check this error. Thanks

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RE: ROKAF A.330-200 - 2/12/2017 9:06:21 AM   
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For Hongjian's ABM suggestion, I recently find the CASIC video about Project 8102 terminal ABM system was officially nominated the First-runnerup of National Award at 2013.

http://military.china.com/jszmt/02/11173748/20170210/30244299.html (Simplified Chinese)
https://youtu.be/XAWNNApAJ5I (Simplified Chinese, Mandarin)

The report is of course opaque, and only thing I heard from the video is some sort of rocket engine or course-changing system being developed. The only focus is the award. Sadly there's no image of what exactly the missile looks like, even it's just a terminal-stage model.

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RE: ROKAF A.330-200 - 2/12/2017 3:48:24 PM   
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Updates for the Piranah Project 865 midget submarine.

The first model p.865 carries four torpedoe tubes, not two. It also has other sensors such as sonar that are currently not in the game model.



1. Aft (rear) light
2. Rudder
3. Steerable shrouded propeller
4. Hydroplanes
5. Recesses for folding masts
6. Electronic Warfare mast (folding, port side)
7. Snort mast for diesel engine (folding, center)
8. Communication antenna (folding, starboard side)
9. 21” (533mm) torpedo tubes (4 in total)
10. Navigation light (green = starboard, red = port)
11. Main access hatch
12. Fair weather conning tower for surface use
13. Folding watershield
14. Radar antenna
15. Periscope
16. Forward light
17. Torpedo tube doors
18. Sirena-UM 2-man Swimmer Delivery Vehicle (x2 in torpedo tubes)
19. Latouche 400mm active-passive anti-ship torpedo (x2)
20. Bow hydroplanes (fold aft)
21. Diver lock-out chamber with ‘moon pool’ hatch in floor
22. Flooded outer hull
23. Passive sonar array
24. Fiberglass sonar dome
25. Sonar dome for active sonar array
26. Diver access hatch in outer hull
27. Spetsnaz diver
28. APS underwater assault rifle
29. IDA-71 rebreather
30. Command center
31. Habitation space
32. Batteries

Specifications
Length: 28.2 meters
Beam: 4.74 meter
Displacement: 218 tons surfaced, 287tns submerged
Speed: Maximum 6.28 kts surfaced, 6.5kts submerged
Operating depth: 180m (200m max)
Endurance : 10 days, 603nm at cruising speed of 4kts surfaced, 260nm at 4kts submerged
Armament: (inner tubes) 2 x 533mm (21") torpedo tubes for sub-size 400mm Latouche anti-ship torpedoes which swim out.
SDVs: (outer tubes) 2 x Sirena-UM Swimmer Delivery Vehicles, or 6-8 'Proton' diver propulsion devices
Crew: 3
Special Forces: 6

Successor designs
Piranha-T - small attack submarine variant with mix of 533mm and 400mm torpedo tubes. Limited diver capability (possibly exit via torpedo tubes).


U-130 - smaller dual-role attack and special forces submarine. Retains diver lock-out chamber with moon pool


Piranha-2 - updated special forces submarine. Extended hull may allow AIP (air-independent propulsion). Appears to sacrifice 533mm torpedo tubes for 400mm which would preclude the Sirena-UME SDV and some DPVs




Piranha-M - very few details.


Added 2 UUV/ROV facilities to model outer torp/UUV tubes.

Will keep digging for more info on sensors and torps.


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JD-16 EW Variant Question - 2/12/2017 4:27:14 PM   
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I have a question about the new addition to the DB3K...the JD-16 "Sino Growler"

The aircraft Sensors/EW description in the Database only shows a Generic Comms Jammer (advanced) as the OECM component. I believe I read that Comms Jamming is not currently modeled in the game. Does the aircraft also have another OECM capability that's not listed, like active radar jamming etc?

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Does the aircraft also have another OECM capability that's not listed, like active radar jamming etc?

Thanks!

It did, the KD-800 (can't see that name IRL, could be a placeholder) is the radar jammer, you need to arm it first.

Fixed KD-800->KG-800


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Yeah the offensive jammers are on the pods in the loadout.

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Thanks Mike, I see it on the pods themselves now. I guess I just got confused from the Aircraft Description in the database.

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After playing the "Tanker Wars 2017" scenario with a grouped ship of Littoral combat ships (LCS): They were supposed to have NSM Missiles but they actually don't. Because of that, the scenario can't be finished without these weapons.

The database gives no clue regarding those NSM Missiles. Maybe it needs adjustment?

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After playing the "Tanker Wars 2017" scenario with a grouped ship of Littoral combat ships (LCS): They were supposed to have NSM Missiles but they actually don't. Because of that, the scenario can't be finished without these weapons.

The database gives no clue regarding those NSM Missiles. Maybe it needs adjustment?

The NSM missiles were manually added by the scenario author onto those ships IIRC. Nothing that the devs can do, you would have to contact the scenario author himself (poaw I think) and describe the problem to him.

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RE: ROKAF A.330-200 - 2/13/2017 2:48:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dysta

For Hongjian's ABM suggestion, I recently find the CASIC video about Project 8102 terminal ABM system was officially nominated the First-runnerup of National Award at 2013.

http://military.china.com/jszmt/02/11173748/20170210/30244299.html (Simplified Chinese)
https://youtu.be/XAWNNApAJ5I (Simplified Chinese, Mandarin)

The report is of course opaque, and only thing I heard from the video is some sort of rocket engine or course-changing system being developed. The only focus is the award. Sadly there's no image of what exactly the missile looks like, even it's just a terminal-stage model.

HenriK believed that Project 8102 is for HQ-29, a counterpart of PAC-III with hundreds of microrockets around the warhead stage, purely intended for direct impact design:

http://www.eastpendulum.com/hq-29-nouveaux-elements-sur-le-pac-3-chinois (French, require membership)
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/hq-19-sc-19-chinese-thaad.t6756/#post-438386 (Translated to English)

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Who's HenriK?

Thanks!

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Who's HenriK?

Thanks!

Mike

Henri Kenhmann
https://m.facebook.com/East-Pendulum-341552486235302/

Nearly nobody know about his origin, but he is a die-hard PLA analysis for almost 10 years. Janes had even quoted him about Chinese ABM a year ago:
http://www.janes.com/article/62658/chinese-media-show-footage-of-possible-hq-19-test

What we only know about him is he can read and type Chinese for YouTube titles and arcitles, but he never use other language than French most of the time.

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