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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 5:57:52 AM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 9:34:20 AM   
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yeah, I prefer the Euro myself

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 10:32:31 AM   
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Hate Sterling


yeah, I prefer the Euro myself

I saw what you did here

I watched the match this morning, quick forwarding some parts because, of course, I couldn't avoid the "spoilers". I agree that one can't really tell how strong the Azzurri are after one match against an obviously out of shape opponent (Turkey had exactly one strong player, they right winger, who was regularly able to leave the defenders in the dust only to find himself alone with no one to pass to). Still, I liked the cohesiveness of the team and how everybody was "in the game".

What I didn't like was the number of times Italians just had to pass the the ball and shoot it in the net only to lose themselves in a byzantine web of passages in the finalising phase. I overheard the frustration of many customers, with a prescient one who said "The first time they will just pass and shoot we will score!" - which is what happened even during Turkey's own goal.

Ah, well, the most important thing is that winning was the cherry on the top. The best part was this sense of return to normalcy. True, both the match and our little corner of Italy still had to respect a lot of sanitary rules, because we are still not out of the woods (we were allowed to open at half-capacity, but we still do home-delivery and that side of the business went well on a big match evening). Yet, I really missed the evenings with the big screen and the running commentary by the customers.

I think (conspiracy theory alert) that the government looked at this match as the opportunity to do some hidden propaganda: to show that "it was hard but, slowly, we are making it; just a little more effort!" And what better event than a match of the National team? I wonder how people in other countries will feel.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 10:53:33 AM   
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Media reaction to the Italian game is bordering on the insane. Apparently, the Italian performance was so good that all the other teams in the competition might just as well go home.

Games Today...

Group A

Wales v Switzerland at the Olympic Stadium, Azerbaijan.

Group B

Denmark v Finland at the Parken Stadium, Denmark
Belgium v Russia at the St Petersburg Stadium, Russia.

Obviously glorious wins for Wales and Finland.

Belgium v Russia is interesting. Belgium have promised so much over the past few tournaments. Is it time for Belgium to fulfil that promise? I am assuming the Russians fancy themselves in this group.

C'mon Waland or is that Finales? Will the Welsh wizards smash the Swiss rolls? Will the Danish pastries pale before the gods of Finlandia?

These questions and more will be answered today.

Good luck to all but particularly Wales and Finland.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 11:03:14 AM   
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 11:06:27 AM   
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And good luck to Finland and Russia. Finland because they are the underdog and Russia because they are the underdog and there is something about the Belgian football team that I really don't take to. Maybe its because they have talented players (like us) but actually play decent football (unlike us).....

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 11:14:06 AM   
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England actually have some really promising young players available for this tournament. Sadly, historically our tactics seem to be the same regardless of who is available or who is picked.

I have absolutely no doubt England will remain true to form and for this tournament I see one of two outcomes:

Scenario 1

We lose or draw to Croatia, then under pressure, we lose or draw against Scotland (we won't lose both) and then finish off with a scraped victory or draw against Czech. Maximum points = 4. Result: exit at group stage.

Scenario 2

We beat Croatia, fall over ourselves with ridiculously mis-placed optimism and draw or lose with Scotland. We manage to do enough against Czech to qualify. Result: we make it to last 16 but fail to top the group and so lose home advantage and tamely lose to Spain, Poland or Sweden in the round of the last 16.


Very unlikely to lose to Scotland. They are a very very poor team.



well that is a wee bit harsh. They are a limited team, but Clarke has a means of setting them up to get the best out of the players available. And plenty of not great, but well organised sides have done ok in the recent past (Iceland for one).

hard to say what a mostly empty Wembley will do, it might settle Scotland or it may well deprive them of the adrenalin from what has been rumoured to be an enthusiastic supporter base.

My personal view on Scotland is we lose the first two in a faintly frustrating manner and then, because it really doesn't matter, beat England on our way to yet another early exit from a major competition (but then I remain terminally scarred by Ally's Army and Argentina 78)

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 11:19:56 AM   
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My personal view on Scotland is we lose the first two in a faintly frustrating manner and then, because it really doesn't matter, beat England on our way to yet another early exit from a major competition (but then I remain terminally scarred by Ally's Army and Argentina 78)
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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 11:20:59 AM   
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Media reaction to the Italian game is bordering on the insane. Apparently, the Italian performance was so good that all the other teams in the competition might just as well go home.

That's normal If Italy wins everybody was expecting it, and is able to explain in painstakingly details all the qualities of the team he was aware of since last year.

If Italy loses the coach is crucified and everybody points out how it was just obvious to any two-bit soccer fan that the team was heading towards disaster - but no one listened to them.

Of course the match commentary itself was as dire as usual. They actually explained in detail that "Italy is not scoring. The problem is that Turkey is trying to avoid it" and that "The first half ended up goal less, but of course the first half is only half of the game."

Then there is what I call "the horror movie" moment. When Italy was winning 2-0 they started to say "Now Italy can control the game... After the second goal they are playing on the velvet..." Do you know that scene you see in every horror movie? "Now this house is free... Your kid is safe and he will be able to grow up normally..." and you just know that the really bad things are about to happen.

I saw part of the interviews to the coach, Mancini, with questions like "Are you happy with Italy's performance?" One day I'll become coach of the "Azzurri" only to be able to answer, live "No. I hoped to lose 2-0. To spruce things up for the next two matches, you know..."

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 11:45:33 AM   
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"How people started saying 'It ain't over till it's over'"

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34324865

Just remember that.

Also, be careful during that Swiss game because of the "Save the W(h)ales people!"




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 11:51:24 AM   
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My personal view on Scotland is we lose the first two in a faintly frustrating manner and then, because it really doesn't matter, beat England on our way to yet another early exit from a major competition (but then I remain terminally scarred by Ally's Army and Argentina 78)
warspite1

England vs Scotland is your second match



I also clearly can't count either

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 12:20:12 PM   
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Also, be careful during that Swiss game because of the "Save the W(h)ales people!"

Switzerland is, historically, one of our nemesis. Just to put things in context, when we won the 1982 World Cup (still our most beloved win ever, no matter what age you were at the time) they organised a "celebrative" match in Rome against Switzerland. They even invited the same Brazilian referee, Coelho, who had refereed (very well) the final Italy - Germany match.

...And Switzerland won that game 0 - 1. That defines the Swiss team to us.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 2:07:32 PM   
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Torquay United 4 - 2 Notts County

And Torquay United are in the play-off final next weekend where they will face the Monkey Hangers or the Hatters.

C'mon The Gulls

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 3:12:29 PM   
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Wales 1 Switzerland 1

Curious. A tale of ambition. The Swiss had it and the Welsh didn't. Then Switzerland score and the Swiss lost their ambition and the Welsh found theirs. Then Wales equalized and the Welsh binned their ambition and the Swiss rediscovered theirs. The Swiss were neat and tidy. Embolo was lively. And while Shakiri didn't have an outstanding game, he was involved in pretty much everything the Swiss did. Moore had a good game as did Ward in goal. Overall, a draw was a good result for Wales and the Swiss will be disappointed with it.

How far can these teams go? Still early days of course. The next games in Group A are on Wednesday: Turkey v Wales and Italy v Switzerland. Looking forward to both of these.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 3:53:28 PM   
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The next games in Group A are on Wednesday: Turkey v Wales and Italy v Switzerland. Looking forward to both of these.

warspite1

The loser of Turkey vs Wales is on their way home and, realistically, if Wales draw, with Italy left to play they are probably effectively on the plane. Need a big performance from Gareth Bale on Wednesday.


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 4:30:48 PM   
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I think (conspiracy theory alert) that the government looked at this match as the opportunity to do some hidden propaganda: to show that "it was hard but, slowly, we are making it; just a little more effort!" And what better event than a match of the National team? I wonder how people in other countries will feel.


It is more than theory, truth. At least for Turkish side -much political turmoil in these weeks- . Next match against Wales especially in Baku good for propaganda.

Mancini's team didn't lose 28-29 games so I see them one of the favourites in the whole tournamant. Maybe they've played their best game but still.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 5:04:13 PM   
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Denmark 0 Finland 0 ****

As the first half was coming to a close, Christen Eriksen fell to the ground.

According the commentator, several attempts have been made to resuscitate him.

My best wishes to Erik and his family.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 5:33:49 PM   
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Denmark 0 Finland 0 ****

As the first half was coming to a close, Christen Eriksen fell to the ground.

According the commentator, several attempts have been made to resuscitate him.

My best wishes to Erik and his family.
warspite1

Well that was distressing to watch. Denmark had a throw in and Christian Eriksen was running to receive the ball when he staggered forward and collapsed. I won't describe what followed - but amazed the TV camera focussed on him from time to time rather than cutting away permanently.

Good news is that UEFA has confirmed he's been stabilised and taken to hospital. So everything crossed he pulls through.




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 6:02:58 PM   
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Croatia will win the group and England will be second if England actually perform.

Damn Group F is a killer. Wouldn't be surprised if the winner doesn't come from this group. I have a feeling for Germany, last time I did they won the world cup.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 6:36:47 PM   
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Denmark 0 Finland 0 ****

As the first half was coming to a close, Christen Eriksen fell to the ground.

According the commentator, several attempts have been made to resuscitate him.

My best wishes to Erik and his family.
warspite1

Well that was distressing to watch. Denmark had a throw in and Christian Eriksen was running to receive the ball when he staggered forward and collapsed. I won't describe what followed - but amazed the TV camera focussed on him from time to time rather than cutting away permanently.

Good news is that UEFA has confirmed he's been stabilised and taken to hospital. So everything crossed he pulls through.



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Well the game has been restarted with the agreement of the players from both sides. This is clearly the best indication of Christian's condition.

All the best Christian


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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 8:55:05 PM   
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Denmark 0 Finland 0 ****

As the first half was coming to a close, Christen Eriksen fell to the ground.

According the commentator, several attempts have been made to resuscitate him.

My best wishes to Erik and his family.
warspite1

Well that was distressing to watch. Denmark had a throw in and Christian Eriksen was running to receive the ball when he staggered forward and collapsed. I won't describe what followed - but amazed the TV camera focussed on him from time to time rather than cutting away permanently.

The behaviour of the people on the pitch was amazing: players, referee, doctors, the people on the stands... all deserve an applause.

The media, however... Over here they complimented the Danish team when they formed a barrier so to give privacy to Eriksen and cut away...

...Only to show over and over the moment when he collapsed. Then, out of thin air, they produced a doctor who explained in detail what an heart attack is. Stunning. First, poor Eriksen was still on the pitch and there was no confirmation of what he suffered from. But, more importantly... they actually had a doctor under the table the way they have defibrillators near the pitch "just in case"?? Amazing...

Glad to hear that Eriksen is awake and stable. My customers erupted when they confirmed this during Russia - Belgium.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 9:14:25 PM   
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Denmark 0 Finland 0 ****

As the first half was coming to a close, Christen Eriksen fell to the ground.

According the commentator, several attempts have been made to resuscitate him.

My best wishes to Erik and his family.
warspite1

Well that was distressing to watch. Denmark had a throw in and Christian Eriksen was running to receive the ball when he staggered forward and collapsed. I won't describe what followed - but amazed the TV camera focussed on him from time to time rather than cutting away permanently.

The behaviour of the people on the pitch was amazing: players, referee, doctors, the people on the stands... all deserve an applause.

The media, however... Over here they complimented the Danish team when they formed a barrier so to give privacy to Eriksen and cut away...

...Only to show over and over the moment when he collapsed. Then, out of thin air, they produced a doctor who explained in detail what an heart attack is. Stunning. First, poor Eriksen was still on the pitch and there was no confirmation of what he suffered from. But, more importantly... they actually had a doctor under the table the way they have defibrillators near the pitch "just in case"?? Amazing...

Glad to hear that Eriksen is awake and stable. My customers erupted when they confirmed this during Russia - Belgium.


Considering the number of people who may bother to show up for these games with all of the stress involved, I am not surprised that they have a defibrillator handy - some of them don't even need a trained medical person to use. There should also be doctors there as well although they may be referred to as "trainers" in some sports.

It is good that he is awake and stable.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 10:27:34 PM   
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Well I don't know your restaurant and what is that you are promoting but Simon Kajer is once captain of Fenerbahçe. I really like his stance.






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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/12/2021 11:41:20 PM   
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Denmark 0 Finland 0 ****

As the first half was coming to a close, Christen Eriksen fell to the ground.

According the commentator, several attempts have been made to resuscitate him.

My best wishes to Erik and his family.
warspite1

Well that was distressing to watch. Denmark had a throw in and Christian Eriksen was running to receive the ball when he staggered forward and collapsed. I won't describe what followed - but amazed the TV camera focussed on him from time to time rather than cutting away permanently.

The behaviour of the people on the pitch was amazing: players, referee, doctors, the people on the stands... all deserve an applause.

The media, however... Over here they complimented the Danish team when they formed a barrier so to give privacy to Eriksen and cut away...

...Only to show over and over the moment when he collapsed. Then, out of thin air, they produced a doctor who explained in detail what an heart attack is. Stunning. First, poor Eriksen was still on the pitch and there was no confirmation of what he suffered from. But, more importantly... they actually had a doctor under the table the way they have defibrillators near the pitch "just in case"?? Amazing...

Glad to hear that Eriksen is awake and stable. My customers erupted when they confirmed this during Russia - Belgium.


Considering the number of people who may bother to show up for these games with all of the stress involved, I am not surprised that they have a defibrillator handy - some of them don't even need a trained medical person to use. There should also be doctors there as well although they may be referred to as "trainers" in some sports.


IIRC, defibrillators became almost mandatory (even if there is no law) after the shocking death of Marc-Vivien Foe in 2003. And yet the number of soccer players who die of heart failure is still high (Contrary to popular belief, there is no "sudden death" except in those cases where the heart is destroyed by a massive attack. Those two-three minutes after the collapse are crucial...)

Those doctors were real missiles! But kudos to Danish captain Simon Kjaer. He immediately checked that Eriksen was not swallowing his tongue thus cutting his air intake, which is the very first thing to do even if you are not a doctor.

I still remember one of the first lessons my first COB hammered in our head when we youngsters reported to my first assignment, the Libeccio. "When there is an accident, any accident, first look around. Don't be bothered by those screaming, be bothered by the injured that just lay there. And first thing check their tongue."

We all had underwent a basic First Aid course but it was the COB that really cleared our heads. I never forgot his lesson.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/13/2021 5:19:22 AM   
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A brief summary on the events and the people involved that were crucial to Christian Eriksen being alive today.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/57457388

One sour note. I suspect the BBC will take a hammering for allowing the camera to keep panning back to the player after he'd collapsed, allowing the world to see what was happening to the poor man.

Sky were criticised for their coverage of Romain Grosjean's accident in Bahrain last year. But they did nothing wrong. They only showed the accident once it was confirmed that Romain had got out of the vehicle, and was alive, sitting upright and breathing unaided.

The BBC were not so diligent.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/13/2021 5:39:52 AM   
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With Christian seemingly okay, its back to the football today......

....and England....yes England a.k.a. how many ways can we contrive to muck it up this time, England.

No more excuses. We have the players. We have Champions League winners, we have Premier League champions, we have players mixing it with Germany's finest, we have a Spanish League winner. In Foden and Grealish we have the type of players we've not had for a long time; players that can actually unlock defences. Mount seems to be progressing nicely, Sir Harry is Sir Harry, Jude Bellingham looks quality so.......

Let's be honest, I've been following England since the early seventies. The first two games I can recall as a little boy were England 1-3 West (Gunter bloody Netzer) Germany (loved their green away kit though) in a 1972 European qualifier, and then the England 1-1 Poland (Their goalkeeper, Jan Tomasewski is a clown according to Brian Clough) World Cup qualifier that saw us fail to make it to the World Cup in 1974.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noL1Yk7D2FY

It got worse, much worse, before it got better. But we are talking England here and better is a relative term. Sundry quarter finals heartbreak (how do you play against 10 men for most of a second half and not have a single attempt on goal?) was nothing compared to three semi-finals heartbreak (usually on penalties and often, though not limited to, our old friends the Germans).

And failure to qualify for tournaments was a feature on a few occasions subsequently, even after we'd left behind the total disaster that was 1970's English football. Hey, but we beat Cyprus 5-0 once.

I expect our first mistake will be the line-up. Rashford, Sterling, Sancho should be nowhere near the starting 11.

We will follow this with tactics that come straight out of the Tottenham Hotspur game plan. Pass the ball amongst the defenders side to side. Then, in frustration, pass to a midfielder who immediately thinks "what the **** is this, and passes the hot potato back to the bemused defender. After this happens for about five minutes, said defender - no longer bemused but by now thoroughly angry - simply does what he should have done minutes earlier. He hoofs it up the pitch, either straight out of play, over hit to the goalkeeper, or squarely on the bonce of a Croatian defender. The latter then skilfully traps the ball and plays a cultured pass to a Croatian midfielder who plays a defence splitting pass to a Croatian attacker. Add, Rinse, Repeat for 90 minutes.

What a combination... England and Spurs.... thanks a lot dad!!

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/13/2021 10:08:15 AM   
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The expected team according to one rumour:

Pickford; Walker, Mings, Stones, Trippier; Rice, Phillips; Sterling, Mount, Foden; Kane

Can I take my ball back please? I'm going home.....

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/13/2021 1:53:13 PM   
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Half time: England 0-0 Croatia

Well for about 25 mins we played NOT like England and had Croatia on the ropes. Balls in behind rather than side to side nonsense.

But Croatia have started to come back into it so we need to learn the lesson of the World Cup and keep the pressure on - if we sit off we are finished.

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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/13/2021 2:41:18 PM   
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England are up one nil now...do you want to come outside and play?




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RE: All things Football (soccer) related - 6/13/2021 3:01:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: warspite1

The expected team according to one rumour:

Pickford; Walker, Mings, Stones, Trippier; Rice, Phillips; Sterling, Mount, Foden; Kane

Can I take my ball back please? I'm going home.....


According to the Norwegian TV people, England's first ever Euro opening match victory
PoM for me has to be Mings, creating security in the back four.

So, all that remains to see now, is how England is gonna mess it up this time

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