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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/13/2019 9:17:42 AM   
Alfred

 

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ORIGINAL: obvert


...He'll get a lot and drop some of mine, (more critical probably) if he takes Chungking and Chengtu. I'm playing to defend those at all costs, but the supply situation is making it tough.

The one thing that will help is if he continues to play with his daylight bombing and give me ether occasional 300-400 point haul of 4E and fighter VPs. He still hasn't really touched Tokyo, other than with atomics, so maybe that could yield some VPs too.


Whilst the total loss of the China bases will impact negatively on the denominator, I do think you are over emphasising the impact. I still maintain that come the final turn your denominator is unlikely to decrease much, and probably will increase from what it currently is. Consider these calculations.

1. Your last VP screenshot is post #3456 as at 7 Nov 1945. Then you had 204 bases which provided 9704 base points.

2. Lose all the base points brings the then denominator down to approx. 79k. But this is never going to happen as the overwhelming number of Japanese controlled bases, which provide the bulk of the non Chinese base points, are on the Home Islands.

3. The worst case scenario of losing all your Chinese bases is a loss of approx. 8k in base points. This is if they have all been fully built up and all are at full supply, which I suspect is not the case, and that the Allies spend the time to capture all of them, including the ones way up north like Urumchi etc. Troops mopping up China are not available for the more dangerous operations involved in invading the Home Islands.

4. The more realistic estimate is that by late Feb/early March, you will have lost Chungking, Chengtu, Kunming, Tsuyung, Lanchow and Sining. If they have been fully built up (and were fully supplies on 7 Nov), the denominator will be reduced by 7.8k. Now that represents about a daily loss of approx. 80 VPs. You are averaging a daily gain which is significantly greater than this.

5. The last 4 screenshots of aircraft losses are shown on posts #3459, 3462, 3467 and 2468 for Nov 9, 10, 15 and 17 respectively. Those four days alone show 372 downed Allied aircraft, of which aprox. 138 were 4E Beasties. Thus your average daily aircraft points gain is about 127 VPs. Which all go directly to the denominator. So even if my time estimate in 4 above is very wrong and you lose all those Chinese cities by 1 Jan 1946, aircraft points will at least equal lost base points. And after you have lost the Chinese bases you will still accrue aircraft points and where will the Allies further reduce your base points? Only from Korea and Japan proper, not an easy task not to mention the army points loss involved.

6. It is the denominator, not the numerator, which is critical. Increasing the numerator requires the Allies destroying much more of your devices. Here the Japanese benefit from having better multipliers. Allied non Soviet/Chinese devices are twice as expensive than Japanese devices. IOW if the Japanese lose 12 device but destroy 3 non-Soviet/Chinese devices, Japan still comes out ahead because the Allies gain only a 2:1 VP benefit when the Allies need to gain, on average, better than a 2:1 ratio to get the overall score to the auto victory threshold (which we already knows only earns at best an Allied Marginal Victory).


7. The fact is that the Allies need to gain


  • the Chinese bases
  • the Korean bases
  • continue the strategic bombing of Japan


to have any hope of reaching the auto victory threshold. In all three instances significant opportunities to at leat cover the decrease of the denominator, and in fact even slightly increase the denominator, present themselves. Come 1 Jan 1946, the Japanese denominator will still hover around the 88k mark. How much do you think the numerator will be? My guestimate is that it will have moved from appro 131.5k on 7 Nov to approx. 142k, a monthly average gain of approx. 6k.

8. Extrapolating from 7 above, one can envisage Japan having a denominator around 90k come the end of May 1946. The numerator by then might be only around 175k. That results in a Draw (as per post 3476).


Alfred

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/13/2019 12:50:21 PM   
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Thanks Alfred.

I've tried to keep getting anything I can to increase the denominator. I've also reduced the options for him getting easy points in the numerator by sequestering my remaining ships in TFs in the inland sea and at Tokyo. I've had some surface combat units at Nagasaki for months with no reaction from the Allies, but I think it might be time to get them back as well.

Yamato is repairing at Hiroshima and hasn't yet been a target for any bombing raids there. Very few other ships are in port, so strikes would have to be naval, thus more susceptible to CAP reduction and lack of coordination. There are a lot of shipping VPs stilll afloat though, so I wonder how long it'll be until he tries to target them.

He's gaining fast as some more troops are destroyed at Shanghai, and will have more opportunities to get others in China. He's gotten the far NW bases down to Sining and Lanchow, but hasn't broken through those yet.

It'll be an interesting ending.

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/13/2019 3:22:18 PM   
obvert


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November 18, 1945


On the 18th big strikes against Nagasaki during the day. It gets messy, and the CAP does do some damage, but strikes do get through and hit hard.

Overall The Allies again lose some big numbers of planes, with around 75-80 4Es among the casualties. Damage to the base is extensive and still burning. This is though what. Hope for, which is some significant points gained for the losses.

Night strikes also hit other more minor bases, incurring losses to flak and NF as well.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 18, 1945
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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 6
P1Y2-S Frances x 8
Ki-102c Randy x 11

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 15 damaged

Resources hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Takamatsu , at 107,59

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 17
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 6
Ki-102c Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 22

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 13 damaged

Manpower hits 48
Fires 25935


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 42

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 11 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 27
J2M5 Jack x 13
J7W1 Shinden x 3
N1K5-J George x 56
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 15
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 3
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-100-II Tony x 15
Ki-102b Randy x 13

Allied aircraft
F8F-1 Bearcat x 35
FR-1 Fireball x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F8F-1 Bearcat: 1 destroyed
FR-1 Fireball: 3 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
19 x F8F-1 Bearcat sweeping at 26000 feet
2 x FR-1 Fireball sweeping at 26000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 15
J2M5 Jack x 9
J7W1 Shinden x 3
N1K5-J George x 46
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-100-II Tony x 15
Ki-102b Randy x 10

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 127
P-47N Thunderbolt x 24
P-51D Mustang x 18
P-51H Mustang x 11
PB4Y-2 Privateer x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 4 destroyed, 70 damaged
B-17G Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak
P-47N Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed

P-51H Mustang: 1 destroyed
PB4Y-2 Privateer: 2 damaged

Resources hits 2
Light Industry hits 2


Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-2 Privateer bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Eto U. in a Ki-84r Frank rams a B-17G Fortress for the Emperor
Banzai! - Goto S. in a Ki-84r Frank rams a B-17G Fortress for the Emperor
Banzai! - Inokuchi T. in a Ki-100-II Tony rams a B-17G Fortress for the Emperor
Banzai! - Hashiguchi B. in a Ki-100-II Tony rams a B-17G Fortress for the Emperor
Banzai! - Hidaka B. in a Ki-102b Randy rams a B-17G Fortress for the Emperor
Banzai! - Kurihara E. in a N1K5-J George rams a B-17G Fortress for the Emperor
Banzai! - Chiyoshima O. in a J2M5 Jack rams a B-17G Fortress for the Emperor
Banzai! - Kado W. in a Ki-43-IV Oscar rams a B-17G Fortress for the Emperor

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M5 Jack x 5
J7W1 Shinden x 3
N1K5-J George x 34
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 4
Ki-100-II Tony x 4
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
Tempest F.2 x 16
P-38L Lightning x 72

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 7 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Tempest F.2 sweeping at 11000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 8
J2M5 Jack x 4
J7W1 Shinden x 3
N1K5-J George x 29
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 3
Ki-84b Frank x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 4
Ki-100-II Tony x 4
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 Spcl x 15
Lancaster B.1 FE x 35
Thunderbolt II x 18
B-24J Liberator x 143
B-29-25 Superfort x 37
B-29B Superfort x 7
P-38L Lightning x 25
P-47N Thunderbolt x 72
P-51D Mustang x 133
P-51H Mustang x 101

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 Spcl: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 54 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 7 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 5 destroyed
P-51H Mustang: 1 destroyed


Manpower hits 6
Resources hits 75
Naval Shipyard hits 19
Fires 11055


Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Lancaster B.1 Spcl bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 12000 lb GP Bomb

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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/13/2019 3:23:35 PM   
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Nagasaki is reeling. I have to send air groups to Hiroshima to replace depleted airframes now.






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RE: The Elephant Vanishes : obvert (J) vs Historiker_Sq... - 11/13/2019 3:42:21 PM   
obvert


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November 19-21, 1945


A few quieter turns on the 19th and 20th. I managed to hit Cam Ran Bay with some Frances, but they couldn't really do much effective damage. Likely no sinking there. Also got CL Naka into the Sulu Sea before it was detected and attacked by some Barracudas. The small Oscar CAP at Tarakan helped out, but one bomb got through. Naha will look for opportunities with light damage.

On the 21st another massive daylight strike hits Nagoya. Again big Allied losses, over 200 planes total with about 140 4E shot down. So that's good.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 19, 1945
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Night Air attack on Kanoya , at 102,61

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Cam Ranh Bay , at 64,72

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2 Frances x 26
Ki-83 x 24

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
P1Y2 Frances: 4 destroyed
P1Y2 Frances: 1 destroyed by flak


No Allied losses

Allied Ships
xAK Samburgh, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK King Hathaway, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK William Allen White, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Samspring, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x P1Y2 Frances bombing from 11000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 20, 1945
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Submarine attack near Babeldaob at 96,85

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-5
xAK Toei Maru
xAK Sanuki Maru
xAK Midori Maru
E No.36
E Kanawa

Allied Ships
SS L-18, hits 15, and is sunk

SS L-18 is sighted by escort
L-18 diving deep ....
E No.36 attacking submerged sub ....
SS L-18 forced to surface!
E No.36 firing on surfaced sub ....

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 21, 1945
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Night Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 17

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 179
Fires 90390


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 183
Fires 182850


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Tottori , at 109,58

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 9
P1Y2-S Frances x 1
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 8
Ki-102c Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 27

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 6 damaged

Resources hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Morning Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 67,91

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 1 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
Barracuda II x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Barracuda II: 3 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CL Naka, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Barracuda II bombing from 9000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagoya , at 111,60

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 53 NM, estimated altitude 42,700 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 18
A6M8 Zero x 22
A7M2 Sam x 54
J2M5 Jack x 58
N1K5-J George x 54
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 38
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 20
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 6
Ki-83 x 44
Ki-84a Frank x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 74
Ki-84r Frank x 140
Ki-100-I Tony x 8
Ki-102b Randy x 43

Allied aircraft
F8F-1 Bearcat x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F8F-1 Bearcat: 2 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tarakan at 67,91

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 10

Allied aircraft
Barracuda II x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Barracuda II: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Naka

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Barracuda II bombing from 9000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagoya , at 111,60

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
A6M8 Zero x 20
A7M2 Sam x 43
J2M5 Jack x 52
N1K5-J George x 46
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 28
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 16
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 6
Ki-83 x 38
Ki-84a Frank x 6
Ki-84b Frank x 66
Ki-84r Frank x 133
Ki-100-I Tony x 7
Ki-102b Randy x 34

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 Spcl x 12
Lancaster B.1 FE x 29
B-24J Liberator x 4
B-29-25 Superfort x 9
P-38L Lightning x 67
P-47N Thunderbolt x 87
P-51D Mustang x 52

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 Spcl: 4 destroyed, 8 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 2 destroyed, 19 damaged

B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 2 destroyed


Light Industry hits 2
Heavy Industry hits 9
Mitsubishi Ha-32 hits 3


Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Lancaster B.1 Spcl bombing from 9000 feet *
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagoya , at 111,60

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 10
A6M8 Zero x 14
A7M2 Sam x 23
J2M5 Jack x 42
N1K5-J George x 36
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 18
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 11
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 4
Ki-83 x 26
Ki-84a Frank x 4
Ki-84b Frank x 46
Ki-84r Frank x 112
Ki-100-I Tony x 6
Ki-102b Randy x 25

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 24
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-29-25 Superfort x 15
P-38L Lightning x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 6 destroyed, 15 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
P-38L Lightning: 4 destroyed


Heavy Industry hits 28
Light Industry hits 1


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagoya , at 111,60

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 5
A6M8 Zero x 8
A7M2 Sam x 17
J2M5 Jack x 22
N1K5-J George x 23
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 2
Ki-83 x 17
Ki-84a Frank x 3
Ki-84b Frank x 27
Ki-84r Frank x 65
Ki-100-I Tony x 3
Ki-102b Randy x 17

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 64
B-29-25 Superfort x 4
P-38L Lightning x 17
P-47N Thunderbolt x 51
P-51D Mustang x 143

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M8 Zero: 2 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 4 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 3 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 destroyed, 34 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 2 destroyed by flak

B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed


Mitsubishi Ha-32 hits 22
Heavy Industry hits 14


Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagoya , at 111,60

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
A6M8 Zero x 5
A7M2 Sam x 12
J2M5 Jack x 14
N1K5-J George x 14
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 2
Ki-83 x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 1
Ki-84b Frank x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 50
Ki-100-I Tony x 2
Ki-102b Randy x 8

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed, 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 destroyed by flak


Mitsubishi Ha-32 hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Nagoya , at 111,60

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 2
A6M8 Zero x 5
A7M2 Sam x 11
J2M5 Jack x 11
N1K5-J George x 10
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 6
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 3
Ki-45 KAIc Nick x 1
Ki-83 x 6
Ki-84b Frank x 11
Ki-84r Frank x 45
Ki-100-I Tony x 2
Ki-102b Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 75

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M8 Zero: 1 destroyed
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 4 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 6 destroyed, 43 damaged

Resources hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 10000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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The info screen. Got over 90k VPs today!






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Nice!

You should take comfort in the fact that, as of November 22, 1945 you have outscored the Allies in aircraft points lost, army points lost and points for ships sunk. Three very nice hallmarks of a well-fought campaign, obvert.

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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

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Nice!

You should take comfort in the fact that, as of November 22, 1945 you have outscored the Allies in aircraft points lost, army points lost and points for ships sunk. Three very nice hallmarks of a well-fought campaign, obvert.


I'm hiding away most of the remaining ships in the hope I can get equal airframe points for them if he does ever try a naval strike into the Home Islands.

One thing I've contemplated in my Allied games (keep this on the down low, although I've already ruled it out in my other games, I'm pretty sure) is some method of getting into the inland sea. I think the weak point of the fortress system is Yura. It only has 8 x 15cm CD and 2 x 14cm CD guns. Since it's in the non-base hex and has no forts it might be possible to dismantle some of these by a large 4E strike followed by a concentrated BB infiltration.

This would only get the Allies to Kobe, which has a much better fort with 2 x 25cm CD guns as well as a bunch of other cruiser sized and smaller guns, and will likely be fortified plus having x4 defensive terrain. Still, a bombardment of Kobe and destruction of anything sitting there would be a good point haul, plus it might be an interesting and less defended invasion point. I for one don't have larger forces there as I've concentrated o keeping the likely clear hex landing spots defended, and the inland sea seems like the last place the Allies would try. I do have a bunch of units sitting in Strat mode ready to go though, and many would make it there within a turn, so it would be a very risky move.

Oita is possible too, but has more guns, plus forts, and probably mines. It would allow a deeper penetration, but Hiroshima has a very large contingent of 12.7 DP guns. For invasions though a few of the other nearby bases to the West would be ideal.

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The Allies mostly concentrate on milk-runs in China and ground action reducing Hangchow and Kukong these days. There is a limited Strat bombing strike at Hakodate that gets fires over 300k and still doesn't burn out all of the industry there. Odd. I have no defences on this base, and have limited NF in the area which didn't react. I'm prioritising the bigger targets now.

A shown below, supply drops for the first time below 1 million. Things are getting lean. Plenty of fuel and HI though!
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Night Air attack on Hakodate , at 119,53

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 35

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 261
Fires 164189


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Kukong (79,57)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 43975 troops, 822 guns, 1116 vehicles, Assault Value = 1164

Defending force 16696 troops, 113 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 326

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 611

Japanese adjusted defense: 859

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1274 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 91 disabled
Non Combat: 28 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Guns lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Allied ground losses:
246 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)


Assaulting units:
1st Regt de Cheval Regiment
1st Guards Airborne Div /3
9th Australian Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
6th Marine Division
4th Armoured Bde /8
168th Field Artillery Regiment
55th Heavy Regiment
134th (East Ang) Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
7th Australian Div /9

Defending units:
94th Division
26th RGC Temp. Division
8th Area Army
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 23, 1945
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Ground combat at Hangchow (90,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 143950 troops, 1926 guns, 5168 vehicles, Assault Value = 4533

Defending force 45052 troops, 350 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 1179

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 2432

Japanese adjusted defense: 1105

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4613 casualties reported
Squads: 81 destroyed, 167 disabled
Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 65 (14 destroyed, 51 disabled)
Units destroyed 2


Allied ground losses:
1599 casualties reported
Squads: 18 destroyed, 160 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 45 (5 destroyed, 40 disabled)
Vehicles lost 71 (5 destroyed, 66 disabled)


Assaulting units:
93rd Infantry Division
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
371st Rifle Division
9th Guards Mechanized Corps
68th NKVD Regiment
73rd Tank Brigade
144th Rifle Division
37th Infantry Division
395th Guards SU Regiment
33rd Tank Battalion
378th Guards SU Regiment
335th Guards SU Regiment
7th Guards Mechanized Corps
5th Guards Tank Corps
103rd Rifle Division
74th Tank Brigade
3rd Motorized Rifle Regiment
2nd/307th Gd.Mortar Regiment
56th Rifle Corps
107th Hvy.Howitzer Brigade
1137th Howitzer Regiment
20th Guards Mortar Brigade
550th BM Howitzer Regiment
50th Cannon Regiment
XXXIII Indian Corps
1133rd Howitzer Regiment
15th Guards Cannon Brigade
934th Aviation Grp EAB /2

Defending units:
301st Ind.Infantry Battalion
117th Division
60th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Ind.Mixed Rgt /2
III/84th Naval Guard Unit
60th Division
3rd RGC Division
Oshima Naval Guard Unit
5th Ind.Infantry Brigade
107th Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st RGC Division
I/66th Nav Gd /1
184th JAAF AF Bn
117th AA Regiment
15th Base Force
4th Base Force
185th JAAF AF Bn

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Hiroshima is a target on the 24th. I love when Allied players forget about balloons and set B-29s to 6k! Thanks.

This is an example of why I don't like to set daylight planes to night CAP. It probably helped with deterring and damaging bombers, but the losses for Ki-102b FB are extreme compared to virtually the same model plane in the Randy Ki-102c NF, and each have similar pilots. There are more Randy b but still, it's not productive for the defense.

Hangchow falls on the 24th. It's tough to lose all of these troop points, but I see no way to avoid it. The supply cost of moving and then feeding them outweigh the VP hit of losing them at this point, even if I could air transport some out.

On the 25th nothing of note happens, and even some of the millruns in China take the day off.

On the 26th Kukong falls and Chikhiang is shocked over the river. Due to supply issues the big negative the Allies achieve isn't as damaging as I'd like. Such is late 45.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 24, 1945
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Night Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 106,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 9
P1Y2-S Frances x 9
Ki-102b Randy x 74
Ki-102c Randy x 8

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 Spcl x 3
Lancaster B.1 FE x 3
B-24J Liberator x 12
B-29-25 Superfort x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102b Randy: 9 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 Spcl: 2 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 7 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

B-29-25 Superfort: 9 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 destroyed by flak

Manpower hits 10
Fires 6250

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Lancaster B.1 Spcl bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 12000 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 106,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 9
P1Y2-S Frances x 9
Ki-102b Randy x 45
Ki-102c Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 7
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 2 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Manpower hits 1
Fires 7260

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 106,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 61 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 12
P1Y2-S Frances x 9
Ki-102b Randy x 34
Ki-102c Randy x 10

Allied aircraft
Mosquito B.35 x 4

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Mosquito B.35: 3 destroyed

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Night Air attack on Hiroshima/Kure , at 106,58

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 3
P1Y2-S Frances x 1
Ki-102b Randy x 5
Ki-102c Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 2 damaged

Manpower hits 2
Fires 154880


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Hangchow (90,55)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 170712 troops, 2431 guns, 5387 vehicles, Assault Value = 4684

Defending force 40189 troops, 335 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 870

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 2219

Japanese adjusted defense: 497

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Hangchow !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84b Frank: 7 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 5 destroyed
Ki-83: 2 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4004 casualties reported
Squads: 159 destroyed, 287 disabled
Non Combat: 39 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 100 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 80 (47 destroyed, 33 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 2


Allied ground losses:
1482 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 179 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 47 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 38 (1 destroyed, 37 disabled)
Vehicles lost 57 (2 destroyed, 55 disabled)

Assaulting units:
5th Guards Tank Corps
371st Rifle Division
378th Guards SU Regiment
37th Infantry Division
73rd Tank Brigade
93rd Infantry Division
103rd Rifle Division
144th Rifle Division
33rd Tank Battalion
345th Rifle Division
335th Guards SU Regiment
9th Guards Mechanized Corps
74th Tank Brigade
68th NKVD Regiment
7th Guards Mechanized Corps
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
395th Guards SU Regiment
3rd Motorized Rifle Regiment
1137th Howitzer Regiment
56th Rifle Corps
1133rd Howitzer Regiment
550th BM Howitzer Regiment
2nd/307th Gd.Mortar Regiment
107th Hvy.Howitzer Brigade
XXXIII Indian Corps
20th Guards Mortar Brigade
50th Cannon Regiment
15th Guards Cannon Brigade
1122nd Cannon Regiment
934th Aviation Grp EAB /2

Defending units:
5th Ind.Infantry Brigade
60th Division
107th Ind.Mixed Brigade
117th Division
60th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Oshima Naval Guard Unit
185th JAAF AF Bn
III/84th Nav Gd /1
184th JAAF AF Bn
4th Base Force
1st RGC Division
15th Base Force
3rd RGC Division
117th AA Regiment
I/66th Nav Gd /1

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 26, 1945
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Ground combat at Kukong (79,57)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 43908 troops, 821 guns, 1120 vehicles, Assault Value = 1157

Defending force 14286 troops, 102 guns, 77 vehicles, Assault Value = 165

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 597

Japanese adjusted defense: 77

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kukong !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-)
fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3060 casualties reported
Squads: 92 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 247 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 54 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 44 (44 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 64 (64 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 3


Allied ground losses:
106 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
1st Regt de Cheval Regiment
1st Guards Airborne Div /3
6th Marine Division
9th Australian Division
4th Armoured Bde /8
55th Heavy Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
7th Australian Div /9
134th (East Ang) Regiment
2nd British Div /6

Defending units:
94th Division
8th Area Army
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment

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Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 30894 troops, 332 guns, 1452 vehicles, Assault Value = 979

Defending force 24667 troops, 185 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 731

Allied adjusted assault: 325

Japanese adjusted defense: 1789

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
523 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 28 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1527 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 136 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Guns lost 26 (4 destroyed, 22 disabled)
Vehicles lost 35 (7 destroyed, 28 disabled)


Assaulting units:
255th Indian Tank Brigade
3rd Guards Mechanized Corps

Defending units:
54th Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Cavalry Brigade
108th Division
6th Garrison Unit
774th Ind.Infantry Battalion
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
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Fires still burning and damaging stuff at Hiroshima two turns after the night strike.




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November 27-28, 1945


Maebashi takes a bit hit from the beasts. A lot of front line fighter factories wiped out, but I do have good pools and still have more producing elsewhere for now. At Matsuyama the Allies again head in for the balloons at 6k and a lot of 4Es go down to ops and too flak.

The Allied armies are still stuck at the crossing point NW of Sian near Tienshui. Supply is nearly gone but this DA is repelled for larger Allied losses.

At Kweilin I've decided to send troops in by air to stop the single armoured unit there and force a larger army to move in if he wants it. I don't like the idea of this area be swarmed yet.

At Chanteh an Indian ID crosses and is stopped by a solid IJA force defending the river.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 27, 1945
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Night Air attack on Matsuyama , at 105,59

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 4
P1Y2-S Frances x 8
Ki-102c Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 11
B-24J Liberator x 26
B-29-25 Superfort x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 2 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 5 damaged

Resources hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Maebashi , at 113,59

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 32
P1Y2-S Frances x 15
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 14
Ki-102c Randy x 27

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 44

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-102c Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged
B-17G Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak



Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 7000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Maebashi , at 113,59

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 29
P1Y2-S Frances x 11
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 7
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 12
Ki-102c Randy x 28

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 15
B-29-25 Superfort x 62
B-29B Superfort x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-102c Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 5 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged
B-29B Superfort: 4 damaged

Ki-84r Frank factory hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 8000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 88289 troops, 1497 guns, 1876 vehicles, Assault Value = 2011

Defending force 61392 troops, 529 guns, 824 vehicles, Assault Value = 1585

Allied adjusted assault: 858

Japanese adjusted defense: 3595

Allied assault odds: 1 to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3158 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 109 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 71 (21 destroyed, 50 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (14 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Units destroyed 1


Allied ground losses:
2496 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 251 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 37 disabled
Guns lost 61 (5 destroyed, 56 disabled)
Vehicles lost 79 (4 destroyed, 75 disabled)


Assaulting units:
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
754th Tank Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
763rd Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
33rd Infantry Division
Americal Infantry Division
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
5th Indian Division
85th Medium Regiment
I Corps Artillery
IV Indian Corps
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
77th Coast AA Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
Tenth US Army
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
94th Coast AA Regiment
251st Field Artillery Battalion
205th Coast AA Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
Southwest Pacific
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XI Corps Artillery
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
71/72/80 Mortar Rgt /2

Defending units:
18th Division
16th Division
1st Tank Division
55th Division
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
16th AA Regiment
12th Army
121st AA Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion

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Ground combat at Kweilin (76,54)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1044 troops, 0 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 687 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 27

Allied adjusted assault: 50

Japanese adjusted defense: 55

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion

Defending units:
2nd RGC Route Brigade

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Ground combat at Changteh (81,50)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 14128 troops, 129 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 401

Defending force 28628 troops, 211 guns, 489 vehicles, Assault Value = 885

Allied adjusted assault: 172

Japanese adjusted defense: 891

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
654 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 112 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled

Assaulting units:
14th Indian Division

Defending units:
4th Tank Division
7th Ind.Infantry Brigade
5th Division
8th Base Force

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 28, 1945
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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 28,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 31

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
26 x Ki-83 sweeping at 26530 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 73rd Division, at 102,58 (Nagasaki/Sasebo)

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 10
N1K5-J George x 12
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-100-II Tony x 3
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 24
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 13 destroyed, 4 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x A-26B Invader bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Banzai! - Ikura M. in a N1K5-J George rams a A-26B Invader for the Emperor
Banzai! - Kanno L. in a N1K5-J George rams a A-26B Invader for the Emperor

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Ground combat at Kweilin (76,54)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1044 troops, 0 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 675 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 25

Allied adjusted assault: 92

Japanese adjusted defense: 23

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
142 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion

Defending units:
2nd RGC Route Brigade

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A good day in the air. Maebashi is a bit beaten up, but it's much harder to destroy factories with direct tartgeting rather than manpower strikes.




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There is a chance that I might get this plane, the Ki-94, by the end of December of the factories aren't knocked out before then. I have never used it so it would be great to give it a try. The issue is that I'll be fighting F-80s by then too!




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Nagano, Nagasaki, Akita and Sendai are all on the target list for night strikes on the 29th. Still some B-17G set to 6k which really helps the defense.

Over Manila the Ki-83 find more CAP and have their way again. This is gaining me valuable points. The IJN has worse luck as the CL Sendai witch was supposed to flank in last turn didn't make the whole journey and was probably sighted, giving time for the Allies to hide the precious fat transports away in the port. Only got one LST.

Dan is so careful, so diligent in only moving as a giant pack of hundred of ships covered by the full DS, that it's been next to impossible to find targets at this stage. It slows his pace incredibly, so there is a downside to that tactic for the Allies. I'll keep looking though. he has to be vulnerable somewhere. He still has left a lot of bases in his rear LOC which have good supply and decent airfields.

Kweilin holds in a minor victory for the IJA. The Allies shock and fail miserably to take the base after the tanks are bombed and more of the 2nd ID flies in.

At Chikhiang the Allies also fail to get a positive and suffer a bit, and near Tienshui a tank only assault backfires. A few positive VPs ta balance heavy losses elsewhere.
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Manila at 79,77, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Sendai

Allied Ships
LST-221, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 21% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 21% moonlight: 10,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Lubang at 78,78, Range 15,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Sendai, Shell hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Knapp

Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 21,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 15,000 yards

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 32,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 27

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 4
Corsair IV x 3
P-51D Mustang x 22
P-40N5 Warhawk x 2
F6F-5 Hellcat x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 4 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 2 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-83 sweeping at 26530 feet

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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 44,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 29

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 2
Corsair IV x 2
P-51D Mustang x 8
P-40N5 Warhawk x 1
F6F-5 Hellcat x 12

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 3 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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Ground combat at Kweilin (76,54)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1044 troops, 0 guns, 78 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 2088 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 86

Allied adjusted assault: 80

Japanese adjusted defense: 77

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
220 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion

Defending units:
2nd RGC Route Brigade
2nd Guards Div /1

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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 Spcl x 3
Lancaster B.1 FE x 6
B-24J Liberator x 15
B-29-25 Superfort x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 Spcl: 1 damaged
Lancaster B.1 Spcl: 1 destroyed by flak
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 3
Fires 915

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Lancaster B.1 Spcl bombing from 16000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 12000 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 2

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 10 damaged

Manpower hits 14
Fires 5110

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Akita , at 117,55

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 35 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 33

Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 12 damaged
B-17G Fortress: 1 destroyed by flak


Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 6000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagano , at 113,58

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Japanese aircraft
P1Y2-S Frances x 13
Ki-102c Randy x 6

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 38

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29B Superfort: 8 damaged

Resources hits 36

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11844 troops, 445 guns, 697 vehicles, Assault Value = 1842

Defending force 58732 troops, 494 guns, 805 vehicles, Assault Value = 1385

Allied adjusted assault: 113

Japanese adjusted defense: 2887

Allied assault odds: 1 to 25

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
182 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 14 (5 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 11 (5 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 79 (7 destroyed, 72 disabled)


Assaulting units:
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
754th Tank Battalion
Americal Infantry Division
4th Marine Division
763rd Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
33rd Infantry Division
5th Indian Division
86th Medium Regiment
Southwest Pacific
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
251st Field Artillery Battalion
77th Coast AA Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
85th Medium Regiment
205th Coast AA Regiment
IV Indian Corps
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
85th British AT Gun Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
Tenth US Army
XI Corps Artillery
94th Coast AA Regiment
I Corps Artillery
71/72/80 Mortar Rgt /2

Defending units:
1st Tank Division
18th Division
16th Division
55th Division
3rd RF Gun Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
16th AA Regiment
12th Army
121st AA Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion

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Ground combat at Kweilin (76,54)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 896 troops, 0 guns, 77 vehicles, Assault Value = 45

Defending force 3262 troops, 48 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 128

Allied adjusted assault: 9

Japanese adjusted defense: 223

Allied assault odds: 1 to 24 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
81 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 4 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion

Defending units:
2nd RGC Route Brigade
2nd Guards Div /1

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Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 61485 troops, 515 guns, 3531 vehicles, Assault Value = 2478

Defending force 39225 troops, 348 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 1047

Allied adjusted assault: 1595

Japanese adjusted defense: 2269

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1009 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 46 disabled

Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 15 (4 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1329 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 182 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 61 disabled
Engineers: 6 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 55 (3 destroyed, 52 disabled)
Vehicles lost 117 (11 destroyed, 106 disabled)


Assaulting units:
255th Indian Tank Brigade
766th Tank Battalion
111th Tank Division
3rd Guards Mechanized Corps
150th RAC Regiment
710th Tank Battalion
735th SU Regiment
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
50th Tank Brigade
172nd Brigade
Eighth Army Combat Engineer Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
43rd Tank Brigade
2nd Indian Medium Regiment

Defending units:
774th Ind.Infantry Battalion
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
6th Garrison Unit
54th Ind.Mixed Brigade
108th Division
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
102nd Division
4th Cavalry Brigade
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /2
122nd AA Regiment
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion

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December 1-2, 1945


December. Never thought I'd play to this point in an AE game. If I can make 46 with some fighting ability I'll be over the moon.

Things get worse every day somewhere. Troops being gradually culled by Soviet airstrikes near Peiping. Supply dwindling along the length of the Korean defensive lines. Troops gradually crumbling after months of holding a defensive position in the mountains North of Sian. A huge army now besieging and breaking down the defences at the key holding point of Chikhiang.

it's been a while since I've played allies in China in 42, but this is worse, from what I remember. The air strikes are many hundreds of modern 2Es and hundreds more 4Es. The ground troops are T-34 and 44 USA/MC infantry, Pershings, 155mm Long Toms and Soviet rockets brigades. With some supply there would be holding places still, but even with industry mostly intact (due to the HR in China Torsten asked for in the beginning) the output and availability is reducing daily.

On the 1st the Allies scrapped some more VPs from the CAP at Manila. Every little bit counts.

On the 2nd the Allies strike at Toyama, massively. The whole shebang. They pretty much wipe out the industry but do lose some planes to flak, although seem to have figured out not to set them below 7k now to avoid the balloons. They also send three groups of 2E from China to Nagasaki where they are completely wiped out by the CAP. I'm assuming this is a mistake setting. Often when bombing ground troops if something moves some planes will reset to no target.

So, the good news is that there is still supply in the major centres on Honshu, although Kyushu is getting low now. Still, I can fill in CAP groups with new airframes, which is my only really effective tactic now to gain points.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 1, 1945
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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 13 NM, estimated altitude 47,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 29

Allied aircraft
P-40N Warhawk x 7
Corsair IV x 3
P-51D Mustang x 6
P-40N5 Warhawk x 1
F6F-5 Hellcat x 10

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-40N Warhawk: 1 destroyed
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 3 destroyed


Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 2, 1945
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Night Air attack on Toyama , at 112,57

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-102c Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 56

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17G Fortress: 10 damaged

Manpower hits 1
Fires 620

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 7000 feet *
City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 3rd Guards Division, at 102,58 (Nagasaki/Sasebo)

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 25
J7W1 Shinden x 3
N1K5-J George x 45
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 2
Ki-84r Frank x 10
Ki-102b Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
A-26B Invader x 15
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 5
PBJ-1J Mitchell x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 2 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
A-26B Invader: 6 destroyed
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 3 destroyed
PBJ-1J Mitchell: 3 destroyed


Banzai! - Kawahara M. in a Ki-84r Frank rams a PBJ-1D Mitchell for the Emperor
Banzai! - Hashimoto K. in a Ki-84r Frank rams a A-26B Invader for the Emperor
Banzai! - Maeda J. in a Ki-84r Frank rams a A-26B Invader for the Emperor
Banzai! - Asada L. in a N1K5-J George rams a PBJ-1J Mitchell for the Emperor

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Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 150759 troops, 1741 guns, 5032 vehicles, Assault Value = 4519

Defending force 38223 troops, 342 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 977

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 3029

Japanese adjusted defense: 973

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4


Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2389 casualties reported
Squads: 31 destroyed, 135 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 19 destroyed, 22 disabled
Guns lost 76 (20 destroyed, 56 disabled)
Vehicles lost 28 (7 destroyed, 21 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1887 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 261 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 89 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 49 disabled
Guns lost 51 (1 destroyed, 50 disabled)
Vehicles lost 91 (18 destroyed, 73 disabled)


Assaulting units:
111th Tank Division
735th SU Regiment
5th Australian Division
710th Tank Battalion
255th Indian Tank Brigade
766th Tank Battalion
9th Indian Division
172nd Brigade
43rd Tank Brigade
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
Eighth Army Combat Engineer Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
150th RAC Regiment
23rd Indian Division
32nd Infantry Division
50th Tank Brigade
7th Indian Division
3rd Guards Mechanized Corps
25th Mechanized Brigade
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
2nd Indian Medium Regiment

Defending units:
54th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th Cavalry Brigade
108th Division
102nd Division
6th Garrison Unit
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
774th Ind.Infantry Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
4th RF Gun Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
122nd AA Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /2

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Obvert,

When did the Allies exceed the Japanese 'Aircraft Points Lost' threshhold? It seems to me relatively recently? Since then you've built a 2500 point buffer in that category. Hopefully, ongoing Allied air points lost will make it impossible for the Allies to get another (unanswered) 39k VPs surplus within the next month.

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quote:

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Obvert,

When did the Allies exceed the Japanese 'Aircraft Points Lost' threshhold? It seems to me relatively recently? Since then you've built a 2500 point buffer in that category. Hopefully, ongoing Allied air points lost will make it impossible for the Allies to get another (unanswered) 39k VPs surplus within the next month.


I think the Allied air loss points exceeded the Japanese air loss points in early October. (On one info screen I found the difference was something like 500 VPs on Sept 22 in favour of the Allies).

The main uptick in Allied VPs recently was from the Bomb dropped on Tokyo. I think that was something like 28k. I'd have to look back. Strat bombing has been another big contributor, and the LCU loss VPs.

He's dropped two bombs, so as Alfred mentioned, if he drops another the Allies can only achieve a draw.

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Niigata, Iwaki and Toyama are targeted on the 3rd. Sometimes thunderstorms are the best defence.

No bombing on the 4th, but lots against the troops in China. It's whittling them away so that even in good defensive positions, there isn't much hope to take a decent chunk off of the Allied masses. the IJA defenders did manage to take out some tanks in an armour only attack near Tiensui.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 3, 1945
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Night Air attack on Niigata , at 114,57

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 10

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet
City Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Iwaki , at 116,59

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 7
B-29-25 Superfort x 55

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 6 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Toyama , at 112,57

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 15
B-29-25 Superfort x 9

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged

Resources hits 7
Fires 1938


Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 7000 feet *
City Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 11604 troops, 442 guns, 699 vehicles, Assault Value = 1895

Defending force 63307 troops, 510 guns, 792 vehicles, Assault Value = 1509

Allied adjusted assault: 71

Japanese adjusted defense: 1630

Allied assault odds: 1 to 22

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
295 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 7 (2 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 100 (26 destroyed, 74 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Marine Division
Americal Infantry Division
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
3rd Cavalry Regiment
33rd Infantry Division
763rd Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
754th Tank Battalion
5th Indian Division
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
Southwest Pacific
251st Field Artillery Battalion
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
85th Medium Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XI Corps Artillery
4th Field Artillery Battalion
205th Coast AA Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
IV Indian Corps
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
77th Coast AA Regiment
Tenth US Army
I Corps Artillery
94th Coast AA Regiment
28th Group Army
87th Medium Regiment
71/72/80 Mortar Rgt /2

Defending units:
55th Division
1st Tank Division
16th Division
18th Division
128th Ind.Mixed Brigade
16th AA Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Army
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
121st AA Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion

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Ground combat at 79,58 (near Kukong)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 736 troops, 12 guns, 91 vehicles, Assault Value = 122

Defending force 9593 troops, 62 guns, 30 vehicles, Assault Value = 104

Allied adjusted assault: 52

Japanese adjusted defense: 83

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
112 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Armoured Bde /8

Defending units:
94th Division
8th Area Army
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment

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Still getting some decent Allied air points even on quieter turns. Supply is holding around 900k+ for now. Fingers crossed. (At least the scarcity of resources is not as much of the problem when half of the LI has been bombed out).




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It's now been exactly four years of this campaign. Seven plus in real time.

Not much on the 5th, but big strikes at Yokohama commence on the 6th . The fires don't get much over 50k in the night, but there are residual fires still burning each day and that will mean continued damage. The flak does well, both in limiting the strikes and hitting planes. The NF are getting worn down though, and most are bleeding from Tokyo, so it's weakening that base as well, not that he'll ever decide to strike it!

North of Sian the Allies get a 1:1 and I think it's all over, but then they only manage a 1:2 the next day, so maybe it'll still hold for a bit.

Chikhiang falls dramatically. Lots of Allied troops here.

Most of the action is still ground bombing in China, so not too exciting to report.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 5, 1945
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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 43,530 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-83 x 23

Allied aircraft
Corsair IV x 3
P-40N5 Warhawk x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-83: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Corsair IV: 1 destroyed
P-40N5 Warhawk: 5 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-83 sweeping at 41530 feet

CAP engaged:
No.2 Sqn RIAF with Corsair IV (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 22000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 22000.
Raid is overhead
8th FG/36th FS with P-40N5 Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 11 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes

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Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 87132 troops, 1493 guns, 1865 vehicles, Assault Value = 1892

Defending force 62879 troops, 502 guns, 775 vehicles, Assault Value = 1491

Allied adjusted assault: 1342

Japanese adjusted defense: 1231

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1881 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 145 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Guns lost 44 (6 destroyed, 38 disabled)
Vehicles lost 89 (13 destroyed, 76 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
1479 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 61 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (7 destroyed, 19 disabled)


Assaulting units:
33rd Infantry Division
754th Tank Battalion
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
4th Marine Division
Americal Infantry Division
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
763rd Tank Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
5th Indian Division
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
I Corps Artillery
85th British AT Gun Regiment
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
94th Coast AA Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
Southwest Pacific
251st Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
28th Group Army
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
85th Medium Regiment
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Tenth US Army
205th Coast AA Regiment
IV Indian Corps
77th Coast AA Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
XI Corps Artillery
71/72/80 Mortar Rgt /2

Defending units:
1st Tank Division
16th Division
55th Division
18th Division
128th Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
12th Army
16th AA Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
121st AA Regiment
3rd RF Gun Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion

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Ground combat at Chihkiang (78,50)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 201822 troops, 3222 guns, 6560 vehicles, Assault Value = 5772

Defending force 35201 troops, 316 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 799

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 3442

Japanese adjusted defense: 334

Allied assault odds: 10 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Chihkiang !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
12347 casualties reported
Squads: 286 destroyed, 165 disabled
Non Combat: 329 destroyed, 77 disabled

Engineers: 45 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 179 (169 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 195 (195 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Units retreated 14


Allied ground losses:
1825 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 83 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 31 disabled
Guns lost 43 (8 destroyed, 35 disabled)
Vehicles lost 99 (4 destroyed, 95 disabled)


Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
5th Australian Division
23rd Indian Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
150th RAC Regiment
6th Australian Division
7th Indian Division
Eighth Army Combat Engineer Regiment
1st Regt de Cheval Regiment
766th Tank Battalion
111th Tank Division
7th Australian Division
50th Tank Brigade
43rd Tank Brigade
255th Indian Tank Brigade
735th SU Regiment
172nd Brigade
3rd Guards Mechanized Corps
710th Tank Battalion
32nd Infantry Division
54th Engr-Sapper Bde
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
9th Indian Division
254th Armoured Brigade
25th Mechanized Brigade
131st Field Artillery Battalion
543 & 545 Field Artillery Battalion
150th/387th PVO AA Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
X Corps Artillery
8th Medium Regiment
462nd Parachute Field Artillery Battalion
134th Field Artillery Battalion
52nd Guards Mortar Regiment
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
98th Coast AA Regiment
1st Medium Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
53rd Guards Mortar Regiment
208th Coast AA Regiment
422nd Rocket Field Artillery Battalion
1316th Anti-Tank Brigade
5th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
17th AA Division
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
1141st Cannon Regiment
408th PVO AA Battalion
6th Gd.Breakthrough Artillery Division
461st Mortar Regiment
XV Indian Corps
2nd Indian Medium Regiment
35th Anti-Tank Brigade
165th Field Artillery Battalion
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
60th Guards Mortar Regiment
85/88/98th Mortar Regiment
152nd Cannon Brigade
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
1917th AA Regiment
1917th AA Regiment
37th VVS Base Force

Defending units:
6th Garrison Unit
108th Division
102nd Division
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
774th Ind.Infantry Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
54th Ind.Mixed Brigade
122nd AA Regiment
4th Cavalry Brigade
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th RF Gun Battalion
49th Ind.Mixed Bde /2


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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 6, 1945
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Night Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 33
P1Y2-S Frances x 14
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 22
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 14
Ki-102b Randy x 12
Ki-102c Randy x 21

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 8
B-24J Liberator x 32
B-29-25 Superfort x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 16 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-29-25 Superfort: 4 damaged

Manpower hits 2
Fires 660

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 86090 troops, 1492 guns, 1859 vehicles, Assault Value = 1754

Defending force 61089 troops, 489 guns, 750 vehicles, Assault Value = 1338

Allied adjusted assault: 832

Japanese adjusted defense: 964

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3481 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 117 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 49 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 24 disabled
Guns lost 38 (4 destroyed, 34 disabled)
Vehicles lost 37 (12 destroyed, 25 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
2110 casualties reported
Squads: 75 destroyed, 56 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 44 disabled
Guns lost 61 (4 destroyed, 57 disabled)
Vehicles lost 32 (2 destroyed, 30 disabled)


Assaulting units:
33rd Infantry Division
Americal Infantry Division
4th Marine Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
763rd Tank Battalion
754th Tank Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
5th Indian Division
I Corps Artillery
86th Medium Regiment
87th Medium Regiment
77th Coast AA Regiment
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
4th Field Artillery Battalion
Tenth US Army
94th Coast AA Regiment
IV Indian Corps
85th British AT Gun Regiment
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
85th Medium Regiment
205th Coast AA Regiment
251st Field Artillery Battalion
28th Group Army
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XI Corps Artillery
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Southwest Pacific
71/72/80 Mortar Rgt /2

Defending units:
16th Division
18th Division
1st Tank Division
55th Division
128th Ind.Mixed Brigade
12th Army
16th AA Regiment
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
3rd RF Gun Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
121st AA Regiment
69th Field AA Battalion

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Plane losses for the Yokohama strike are decent.




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More Yokohama strikes. More burning. Fires this time get up over 100k in the night phase. A lot of flak losses for the allies, but the base is suffering.

Near Tienshui in the NW the IJA holds again, and both sides are being slowly ground down. Kweilin falls in the South and Liuchow will be reinforced. There is now a partial retreat happening along holding points between Indochina, Burma and China. I need some of those IDs back now and so I'll let a few of the Chinese hordes begin to move. It's time to pull back to a tighter, more dense formation to attempt a defense of Chungking and the central plains.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 8, 1945
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Night Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 26
P1Y2-S Frances x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 17
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 9
Ki-102b Randy x 9
Ki-102c Randy x 23

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 7
B-24J Liberator x 20
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 14 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 damaged

Manpower hits 8
Fires 7492

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 76,50 (near Kweiyang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1256 troops, 0 guns, 92 vehicles, Assault Value = 2716

Defending force 15555 troops, 126 guns, 33 vehicles, Assault Value = 201

Allied adjusted assault: 31

Japanese adjusted defense: 40

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
280 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
255th Indian Tank Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
766th Tank Battalion
3rd Guards Mechanized Corps
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
50th Tank Brigade
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
150th RAC Regiment
111th Tank Division
1st Regt de Cheval Regiment
710th Tank Battalion
172nd Brigade
735th SU Regiment
43rd Tank Brigade
25th Mechanized Brigade

Defending units:
102nd Division
108th Division
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
4th Cavalry Brigade
4th RF Gun Battalion
8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
6th Garrison Unit
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
122nd AA Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment

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Ground combat at 79,50 (near Chihkiang)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 10000 troops, 69 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 373

Defending force 5013 troops, 29 guns, 416 vehicles, Assault Value = 215

Allied adjusted assault: 478

Japanese adjusted defense: 700

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 15 (7 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
364 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled

Assaulting units:
17th Motorised Division

Defending units:
4th Tank Division

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 9, 1945
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Night Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 18
P1Y2-S Frances x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 13
Ki-45 KAId Nick x 9
Ki-102b Randy x 4
Ki-102c Randy x 12

Allied aircraft
Lancaster B.1 FE x 17
B-24J Liberator x 35
B-29-25 Superfort x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
J1N1-Sa Irving: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged
Lancaster B.1 FE: 1 destroyed by flak

B-24J Liberator: 15 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 5 damaged
B-29-25 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
AMc Ayaha Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Manpower hits 2
Fires 24961

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x Lancaster B.1 FE bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 4000 lb GP Bomb, 6 x 1000 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Yokohama/Yokosuka , at 113,61

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 14 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J1N1-Sa Irving x 2
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 2
Ki-102b Randy x 1

Allied aircraft
B-29-25 Superfort x 3

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-25 Superfort: 3 damaged

Manpower hits 1
Fires 101677


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-25 Superfort bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Kweilin (76,54)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 31392 troops, 521 guns, 583 vehicles, Assault Value = 933

Defending force 13578 troops, 131 guns, 67 vehicles, Assault Value = 340

Allied adjusted assault: 861

Japanese adjusted defense: 299

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kweilin !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
5049 casualties reported
Squads: 100 destroyed, 50 disabled
Non Combat: 73 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 31 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 38 (30 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 37 (37 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 5


Allied ground losses:
314 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 58 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 21 (1 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
6th Rifle Division
9th Colonial Division
2nd Armoured Brigade

Defending units:
105th Division
2nd Guards Div /1
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd RGC Route Brigade
11th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion

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Ground combat at 81,39 (near Tienshui)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 85312 troops, 1493 guns, 1869 vehicles, Assault Value = 1690

Defending force 58333 troops, 457 guns, 732 vehicles, Assault Value = 1118

Allied adjusted assault: 906

Japanese adjusted defense: 1000

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1181 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 151 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 27 (6 destroyed, 21 disabled)
Vehicles lost 29 (14 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Units destroyed 2


Allied ground losses:
2134 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 177 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 65 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 58 disabled
Guns lost 35 (4 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 69 (10 destroyed, 59 disabled)


Assaulting units:
Americal Infantry Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
763rd Tank Battalion
754th Tank Battalion
I Corps Cmbt Engineer Regiment
33rd Infantry Division
4th Marine Division
1st Cavalry (Spec) Cavalry Division
5th Indian Division
IV Indian Corps
251st Field Artillery Battalion
205th Coast AA Regiment
85th British AT Gun Regiment
86th Medium Regiment
I Corps Artillery
Tenth US Army
77th Coast AA Regiment
4th Field Artillery Battalion
28th Group Army
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
85th Medium Regiment
XI Corps Artillery
87th Medium Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
94th Coast AA Regiment
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
11th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Southwest Pacific
71/72/80 Mortar Rgt /2

Defending units:
18th Division
16th Division
1st Tank Division
55th Division
128th Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd RF Gun Battalion
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
121st AA Regiment
12th Army
7th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
69th Field AA Battalion
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No Strat bombing these turns. I imagine there are a lot of damaged 4Es now.

The retreating forces held near Kweiyang, which may mean several fully intact and rested divisions could play a strong part in the defence here in a x2 base with 6 forts. Could at least provide a stumbling block.

Liuchow is reinforced and should also be able to hold for a while.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 10, 1945
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Ground combat at 75,50 (near Kweiyang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6954 troops, 24 guns, 521 vehicles, Assault Value = 2068

Defending force 40433 troops, 331 guns, 151 vehicles, Assault Value = 924

Allied adjusted assault: 200

Japanese adjusted defense: 124

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
406 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Allied ground losses:
176 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled

Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled

Assaulting units:
50th Tank Brigade
255th Indian Tank Brigade
172nd Brigade
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
1st Regt de Cheval Regiment
150th RAC Regiment
766th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
254th Armoured Brigade
710th Tank Battalion
735th SU Regiment
111th Tank Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
43rd Tank Brigade
25th Mechanized Brigade

Defending units:
21st Division
39th Division
102nd Division
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
122nd AA Regiment
68th JNAF AF Unit
108th Division
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
15th Army
6th Garrison Unit
23rd Ind. Engineer Regiment
36th Field AA Battalion
60th Construction Battalion
86th JAAF AF Bn

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 11, 1945
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Ground combat at 75,50 (near Kweiyang)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 73994 troops, 1593 guns, 4121 vehicles, Assault Value = 5850

Defending force 34512 troops, 261 guns, 150 vehicles, Assault Value = 835

Allied adjusted assault: 953

Japanese adjusted defense: 754

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4746 casualties reported
Squads: 113 destroyed, 249 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 34 disabled
Guns lost 66 (12 destroyed, 54 disabled)
Vehicles lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
422 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 78 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 45 (4 destroyed, 41 disabled)


Assaulting units:
7th Australian Division
2nd USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
172nd Brigade
50th Tank Brigade
43rd Tank Brigade
762nd Tank Battalion
3rd Guards Mechanized Corps
255th Indian Tank Brigade
9th Indian Division
23rd Indian Division
766th Tank Battalion
111th Tank Division
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
710th Tank Battalion
150th RAC Regiment
54th Engr-Sapper Bde
6th Australian Division
Eighth Army Combat Engineer Regiment
32nd Infantry Division
7th Indian Division
1st Regt de Cheval Regiment
735th SU Regiment
5th Australian Division
254th Armoured Brigade
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
25th Mechanized Brigade
60th Guards Mortar Regiment
223rd Field Artillery Battalion
8th Medium Regiment
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
6th Medium Regiment
5th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
6th Gd.Breakthrough Artillery Division
152nd Cannon Brigade
131st Field Artillery Battalion
18th SP Field Artillery Regiment
461st Mortar Regiment
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
17th AA Division
2nd Indian Medium Regiment
1316th Anti-Tank Brigade
1141st Cannon Regiment
462nd Parachute Field Artillery Battalion
408th PVO AA Battalion
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
422nd Rocket Field Artillery Battalion
1st Medium Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
165th Field Artillery Battalion
52nd Guards Mortar Regiment
35th Anti-Tank Brigade
23rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
53rd Guards Mortar Regiment
543 & 545 Field Artillery Battalion
X Corps Artillery
1917th AA Regiment
150th/387th PVO AA Battalion
208th Coast AA Regiment
98th Coast AA Regiment
85/88/98th Mortar Regiment
3rd Front

Defending units:
21st Division
102nd Division
39th Division
28th Ind.Mixed Brigade
122nd AA Regiment
15th Army
12th Air Defense AA Battalion
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Nagasaki gets pummelled for the hundredth time. Amazing there is something left here to hit.

During the day the Allies send masses of only P-51H and P-47N (with a few Bearcats thrown in) at SW Honshu and Kyushu. It's effective and gets about a 2:1, overwhelming the CAP eventually. He still hasn't then followed with airfield strikes, which would be devastating with all of those damaged on the ground. Happy about that.

The Chinese who have walked across the Himalayas and finally pushed all of the way toward Chengtu got past my last blockade there, magically carrying all of their necessary supply for months through the mountains. Luckily my forces retreated into Chengtu which will have enough to thwart the impending shock and have some more flying in to help.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 12, 1945
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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29B Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 32
Fires 61415


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29B Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 36 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-17G Fortress x 3

No Allied losses

Manpower hits 1
Fires 189215


Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17G Fortress bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Shimonoseki , at 104,57

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 28 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 38
N1K2-J George x 21
N1K5-J George x 31
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 35
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 34
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-83 x 27
Ki-84a Frank x 6
Ki-84b Frank x 45
Ki-84r Frank x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 35
Ki-100-II Tony x 26
Ki-102a Randy x 44
Ki-102b Randy x 15

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 14

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84b Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shimonoseki , at 104,57

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 27
N1K2-J George x 15
N1K5-J George x 27
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 28
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 25
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-83 x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 3
Ki-84b Frank x 33
Ki-84r Frank x 6
Ki-100-I Tony x 28
Ki-100-II Tony x 23
Ki-102a Randy x 35
Ki-102b Randy x 15

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 5 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Shimonoseki , at 104,57

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 9
N1K2-J George x 7
N1K5-J George x 6
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 6
Ki-83 x 7
Ki-84b Frank x 8
Ki-84r Frank x 2
Ki-100-I Tony x 2
Ki-100-II Tony x 10
Ki-102a Randy x 14
Ki-102b Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
P-51H Mustang x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-83: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-II Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
P-51H Mustang: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P-51H Mustang sweeping at 41600 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 43,700 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 68
J7W1 Shinden x 3
N1K5-J George x 37
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 7
Ki-84r Frank x 8
Ki-102b Randy x 8

Allied aircraft
F8F-1 Bearcat x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 5 destroyed
N1K5-J George: 4 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed


Allied aircraft losses
F8F-1 Bearcat: 4 destroyed

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Ground combat at 74,41 (near Chengtu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 50261 troops, 190 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1695

Defending force 5095 troops, 18 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 194

Allied adjusted assault: 305

Japanese adjusted defense: 217

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker: supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
847 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 48 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1284 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 121 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled

Assaulting units:
77th Chinese Corps
82nd Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
89th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
1st Group Army

Defending units:
12th Tank Regiment
65th/B Division

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 13, 1945
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Ground combat at 74,41 (near Chengtu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 49389 troops, 190 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1591

Defending force 5532 troops, 18 guns, 247 vehicles, Assault Value = 185

Allied adjusted assault: 326

Japanese adjusted defense: 145

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
1032 casualties reported
Squads: 45 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 96 (43 destroyed, 53 disabled)
Units retreated 3


Allied ground losses:
709 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 121 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
34th Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
50th Chinese Corps
82nd Chinese Corps
77th Chinese Corps
88th Chinese Corps
89th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
1st Group Army

Defending units:
12th Tank Regiment
9th Tank Regiment
65th/B Division

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The Chinese who have walked across the Himalayas and finally pushed all of the way toward Chengtu got past my last blockade there, magically carrying all of their necessary supply for months through the mountains.

Lichens. They ate lichens.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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The Chinese who have walked across the Himalayas and finally pushed all of the way toward Chengtu got past my last blockade there, magically carrying all of their necessary supply for months through the mountains.

Lichens. They ate lichens.




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