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At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 2/28/2012 5:39:38 AM   
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I'm starting at turn 3.

First turn was pretty basic. Lvov pocket. AGC pocket north of Brest. AGN blasted through lines. I tried the Riga Gambit and it almost always works. With 2 tank divs, it didn't. I guess bad rolling. 2 Corps from PZG 2 went south to help with the Lvov pocket. From an SU standpoint, I set all corps to 1 and all highers to 3 or higher so save on some APs.

Second turn was a bit different for me. Larry put a very forward defense, stacking behind the Daguava River in force. I sent 2 Corps from PZG 3 north to help pocket just short of Pskov. In the center elements of PZG 3 and PZG 2 formed a Minsk Pocket. In the south, the Lvov pocket was slowly collapsed and PZG 1 and elements of PZG 2 did the "Pelton" push into the middle. No pockets, just territory.

Third turn. 16th and 18th armies took Riga and started the collapse of the pocket along the Daguava. AGC collapsed the Minsk pocket and pushed towards the Dnepr. AGS pushed PZG1 to the south and formed a couple of pockets around Vinnitsa. The 2 corps from PZG 2 helped defend the flanks.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 2/28/2012 5:45:25 AM   
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Turn 4

AGN takes Pskov and the pocket around Daugava river falls. Elements of PZG2 and PZG3 *almost* pocket a large force south of Pskov. If I had a bit more fuel I would have done it. Alas, I'm not sure he'll be able to pull out and I'll be able to close it next turn.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 2/28/2012 5:48:31 AM   
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In the center, forces push for Smolensk and the Denpr.

In the South, the Vinnista pocket is slowly collapsed. The Denpr is crossed.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 2/28/2012 5:51:44 AM   
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In the south, PZG1 takes Krivoi Rog, Odessa, Nickoleav and creates another pocket.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/4/2012 4:04:09 PM   
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Turn 5

AGN






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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/4/2012 4:06:12 PM   
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Land bridge will be taken by infantry.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/4/2012 4:07:58 PM   
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AGS (North)

Strong defense in front of Kiev




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/4/2012 4:08:41 PM   
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AGS (South)





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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/5/2012 7:46:16 PM   
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Turn 6

The Luga has been crossed. A substantial pocket formed to the south by PZG4 and PZG3.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/5/2012 7:48:36 PM   
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The infantry push towards Smolensk.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/5/2012 7:52:27 PM   
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Mud hit the south. Poltava is surrounded and the bridghead expanded.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/5/2012 7:53:34 PM   
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Romanians getting into the war.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/8/2012 6:51:32 PM   
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Turn 7

Soviet Losses are over 1.6 million and 128 destroyed divisions. My AFV losses are light at 850. Armaments Points are 70k. Less than I would like, but I've been attacking in many places.

In the north, 18th Army is meeting light resistance in route to Leningrad.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/8/2012 6:54:00 PM   
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The 16th Army is closing a pocket. I was going to send PZG4 more south, but he's not been able to form solid defensive lines yet, so I've decided to stretch his forces. PZG4 is taking the northern route towards Moscow. Possibly a mistake because of the heavily forested area, but a calculated risk. PZG3 and elements of PZG2 form another small pocket and move east towards Moscow.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/8/2012 6:56:00 PM   
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Another small pocket is formed as infantry advance on Smolensk




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/8/2012 6:56:49 PM   
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A long defensive line as troops close on Kiev




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/8/2012 6:58:39 PM   
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In the south, the bridgehead is expanded and a another pocket formed around Kharkov. It's a fairly weak pocket, so I won't be surprised if he's able to break it next turn.






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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/8/2012 8:02:16 PM   
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Man, you're learning fast. Nicely done.

One bit of advice (which may be moot), be sure to clear your rear areas.
You have (or at least had) a bad habit of neglecting unspotted enemy units in your rear.
Can't see the Pripet marshes in your screen-shots, but those need to be cleared by your Sec divisions or the lone cavalry unit you have.
Always assume any enemy-controlled hex, even if surrounded, contains a unit that can cut your RR links.

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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/9/2012 3:05:34 AM   
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Yep, but in our game, I advanced so poorly that I have virtually all of my railroads already converted from Germany to the front. They are sitting around right now, wishing for summer offensive to begin.

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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/12/2012 8:31:25 PM   
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Awesome opening !!! A lot of causualties for five turns. I'll be learning a lot. Your AGS FBD.. is it aimed a Lvov/ or Rovno/ or elsewhere ???

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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/12/2012 9:19:56 PM   
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Not sure why your opponent is hanging around Zhitomir so long. He needed to get out of there a couple turns ago.

If he doesnt' withdraw quicker, you can eventually go for a massive Kiev pocket.

Looks like he has already hung around too long in a few areas, and gotten guys pocketed

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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/13/2012 11:11:38 PM   
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He's fighting very forward and, yes, gotten lots of troops pocketed. It's been SOOO tempting to go after a Kiev pocket, but there's been opportunities for the south and Kiev is still a possibility. I can only guess that he's focused on moving industry rather than troops.

His saving grace right now is I messed up my rail lines. I have two FBDs doing LVOV to Vinnista, another around Odessa.

In future games, I'm converting rails out of Romania and not Germany in the south. Counting rail hexes from the German border to Vinnista is somewhere around 28 and 20 from Romania, so it saves a turn (since you can't start from Romania until turn 2). I'll also focus two FBDs on the line. Romania -> Vinnista (or possibly keeping south of the city, depending on focus, there's an west->east rail to the south that can eventually split north, east and south).

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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/13/2012 11:23:29 PM   
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It strikes me that playing Soviets is not easy, especially first year. It seems like an organizational nightmare and difficult to put up a decent defense first few turns. Make one mistake and it costs a bunch of troops. Only real defense seems to be run to river and forget moving industry. Rail as much out as many troops as you can.

I started a 3rd game and my opponent put up a solid defense in the south but left gaps and I was able to punch through and isolate the entire Soviet army in the south, from the swamps down to Romania. He has a few troops in around Southern Romania and around Odessa, but that's it between my panzers and the Dnepr, according to recon. I'll start another AAR when I get his turn back (turn 2).



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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/16/2012 4:53:18 PM   
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Everthing above for turn 7 is now invalid. We had to redo turn 7 because of the hacker issues. So here's the turn. It was actually better than before.

Push for Leningrad. Still no solid lines yet. I elected to threaten the northern ports with a corp from PZG4. It can still swing around south if needed. I'm not showing Finish front, but he has active defenses still in place there along the entire front. So a push across the northern Finish-Soviet border might yield a number of cutoff troops.





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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/16/2012 4:56:43 PM   
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It strikes me that playing Soviets is not easy




Ya think? But you do have to rail industry...starting turn 3. The first two turns everything should go to troop movements. After that you have enough to handle evacuations and shells, which are cheap to move around.



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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/16/2012 4:57:08 PM   
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16th Army plus PZG3 and elements of PZG2 push for Moscow. A couple of pockets. The swamp pocket was from the turn before. A second pocket has been formed.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/16/2012 4:59:17 PM   
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Push for Somlensk and another small pocket.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/16/2012 5:00:09 PM   
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AGS, Nothern Front.

A fairly large pocket formed by PZG2. I'm now threatening to cutoff Kiev.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/16/2012 5:03:33 PM   
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AGS, Southern Front.

PZG1 surrounds Kharkov, bags that city to the northeast (forgot the name) and is ready for the push on Stalino. Supporting infantry have cross the Dnepr and will help with the push next turn.

In the far south, the Romanians closed the Odessa pocket and armies are moving towards the Crimia and to support PZG1.




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RE: At it again - vicberg(axis) vs. Larry Larizona55 (Sov) - 3/16/2012 5:08:04 PM   
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It strikes me that playing Soviets is not easy




Ya think? But you do have to rail industry...starting turn 3. The first two turns everything should go to troop movements. After that you have enough to handle evacuations and shells, which are cheap to move around.




The mobility of the Panzers is just incredible. In my disaster game against Cheerfullyinsane, which I haven't updated in a while because of absolute embarassment, he was able to start forming solid lines around turn 4 or 5, I believe, and just kept up solid lines (didn't care about terrain) and I really struggled to make progress. It was my true first game and I've learned a bit since then, but still, it was quite effective. Combine mulling into this (which I don't do because divisions didn't switch HQs every week, so it strikes me not quite as an exploit, but certainly not realistic by any sense) and I could see an unstoppable German army the first year.

I've done this with one HQ buildup, which was done THIS turn. So this is just stock and I messed up my rail lines and am behind on them. Scary if I really tried to chain or otherwise maximize current supply model better.


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