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ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

Dale,

since you saw the video on YouTube, it would probably be best to post your question at that site in order to receive the most educated and direct response

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ORIGINAL: noguaranteeofsanity

In the military 'weapons tight' is not the same as 'weapons hold'.

'Weapons tight' means to only engage contacts that have been positively identified as hostile, while 'weapons hold' means do not fire.  

For example, say radar picked up an unidentified air contact, under weapons tight, no unit would fire until it was positively identified as hostile, which might mean waiting until it was in visual range, if the contact was not emitting and did not fire.  

However if the human player saw that the contact was moving at mach 1.1, it obviously is not a civillan aircraft and the human player could choose to engage it, without waiting for the contact to be identified as a hostile aircraft.

Basically the weapons tight functionality gives the player the choice of whether to engage a contact that has yet to be positively identified as hostile.

'Weapons hold' is not modelled in Harpoon, although in earler versions 'weapons tight' actually meant 'weapons hold'.  This was changed in the HUE version of Harpoon and did not please everyone, plus probably broke a few scenarios that were built around the old model, where 'weapons tight' actually meant 'weapons hold'.

As to the AI ignoring the 'weapons tight' setting, I imagine because there is no human player to override the 'weapons tight' order for the AI, it would be redundant and excessively restrict the AI in comparison to a human player, who would be able to approach AI units, avoid being identifed and engaged by the AI, until their units either launched their weapons, or were otherwise identifed as hostile by AI.

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ORIGINAL: Dale H

No, the creator of the video said in the beginning that the Weapons Tight feature can be checked but the AI ignores it. Is this true?

If true then does it really make a difference in playing the game?

This is all I am asking. This is not a question about the creator of the Youtube video or that particular scenario. It is a question about H3 in general. Watch the Dawn Patrol movie to see what I mean. It is in the beginning.

Really kicking a dead horse here.

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ORIGINAL: noguaranteeofsanity

Mykmyk, that was my understanding, although appears I may be wrong.   I am only picking up ANW 3.10 again with the release of the beta patch after taking a break of a few years, but remembered the issue was discussed during the 3.10 beta stage and found this post http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=1470793, so thought i would try to answer Dale's question given the lack of responses from others.

After chceking the AGSI wiki and old ANW forum more exstensively, it appears only incoming missiles that are engaged under weapons tight and was changed during the beta, although the ROE settings are only available to the player and apply to plotted and unassigned units, so it is only AI units with a plotted mission that appear to ignore the setting, which may be what the video is referring too.

See here: http://wiki.computerharpoon.com/index.php?title=H3ANW:Rules_Of_Engagement , here http://wiki.computerharpoon.com/index.php?title=Weapons_status and here http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2165481&mpage=1

Edit: messed up that last link

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ORIGINAL: noguaranteeofsanity

In the military 'weapons tight' is not the same as 'weapons hold'.

'Weapons tight' means to only engage contacts that have been positively identified as hostile, while 'weapons hold' means do not fire.  

For example, say radar picked up an unidentified air contact, under 'weapons tight', no unit would fire until it was positively identified as hostile, which might mean waiting until it was in visual range, if the contact was not emitting and did not fire.  

However if the human player saw that the contact was moving at mach 1.1, it obviously is not a civillan aircraft and the human player could choose to engage it, without waiting for the contact to be identified as a hostile aircraft.

Basically the 'weapons tight' functionality gives the player the choice of whether to engage a contact that has yet to be positively identified as hostile.

'Weapons hold' is not modelled in Harpoon, although in earler versions 'weapons tight' actually meant 'weapons hold'.  This was changed in the HUE version of Harpoon and did not please everyone, plus probably broke a few scenarios that were built around the old model, where 'weapons tight' actually meant 'weapons hold'.

As to the AI ignoring the 'weapons tight' setting, I imagine because there is no human player to override the 'weapons tight' order for the AI, it would be redundant and excessively restrict the AI in comparison to a human player, who would be able to approach AI units, avoid being identifed and engaged by the AI, until their units either launched their weapons, or were otherwise identifed as hostile by AI.

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ORIGINAL: Dale H

It was mentioned that Weapons Tight can be checked (or should be checked) but it really doesn't work. Is this true?

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ORIGINAL: Vincenzo Beretta

In direct response to Dale H,

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ORIGINAL: Dale H

It was mentioned that Weapons Tight can be checked (or should be checked) but it really doesn't work. Is this true?

a video explaining "Weapons Tight and how it works" has been added the YouTube Harpoon for Dummies channel to help Harpoon players navigate the complexities of the game and to deliver the best possible playing experience.

Read all about it
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2985433