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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/20/2018 11:41:49 PM   
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Update on how the economy is doing, over the past month. "on ships" means being hauled.

Supply: 4,209k + 75k on ships, up 214k
Fuel: 3,276k + 251k on ships, up 205k
HI points: 2,399k, up 32k
Resources: 21,958k + 585k on ships, up about a million
Oil: 2,039k +156k on ships, up 180k
Armaments: 169k, up 9k
Vehicle points: 29.7k, up 4700
Japanese Score: 45,319, up 1,603
Allied Score: 22,859, up 1,288
Japanese ships lost this month: 37 worth 206 points
Allied ships lost this month: 30 worth 447 points
Japanese planes lost: 9,944 (776 this month)
Allied planes lost: 11,236 (834 this month)


Looks like a great overall situation.

Keep the supply climbing. Have you started seriously expanding airbases and forts in the Home Islands and inner ring of bases yet?

The '44-'45 rush of reinforcements is a great boon to Japan, and even more so if they can be immediately deployed to positions where fort and airbases are already constructed.

It also looks like your timing on Chungking falling might be very serendipitous - you can pull units from China to buy you enough time for the first wave of '44 reinforcements to arrive and get settled. I'm a big proponent of keeping the Allies behind the historical timetable, simply because the Japanese reinforcements arrive as a result of historical losses (Marianas, Leyte). Getting those troops while holding those respective locations just gives you a bit more padding in the long run.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/21/2018 1:56:04 AM   
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Thanks for the response, guys. I had split my army for much the same reason I like to do naval bombardments on consecutive nights. The goal is to disrupt/damage squads/planes the first night and then destroy them the second. Two armies were able to attack twice as often. Now that the forts are gone, I'm going to combine the armies into 1 to bash them. I also have more divisions headed there with another 3-4 freed up in about 8 days to add to the fray.

I move the divisions out to the base 2 hexes west of Chungking, then split them and set them to rest. I have the CEA HQ and an army HQ (range 1) commanded by the leader with the best admin score at my R&R base. That army HQ is supposedly best for allowing units to recover. It takes 6 days for movement back and forth. I've left a couple of units that participated in the last attack in Chungking to compare and see if it might save some time by leaving the units in Chungking. We'll see. At any rate, it'll be awhile before the next attack.


Not quite twice as often, and I'd still rather the big attacks on the forts.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2018 12:22:54 PM   
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Keep the supply climbing. Have you started seriously expanding airbases and forts in the Home Islands and inner ring of bases yet?

The '44-'45 rush of reinforcements is a great boon to Japan, and even more so if they can be immediately deployed to positions where fort and airbases are already constructed.

It also looks like your timing on Chungking falling might be very serendipitous - you can pull units from China to buy you enough time for the first wave of '44 reinforcements to arrive and get settled. I'm a big proponent of keeping the Allies behind the historical timetable, simply because the Japanese reinforcements arrive as a result of historical losses (Marianas, Leyte). Getting those troops while holding those respective locations just gives you a bit more padding in the long run.


I've been expanding airbases and forts in both places from 7 Dec 41. The question is how high for both. I started with fort level 6 forts for the critical bases, then started increasing that at a few, such as the Marianas. Airfields are another question. I typically don't go above level 4. I might increase that in the Marianas. I'm starting to look at that now.

Lokasenna had said that higher fort levels are force multipliers that can only be reduced by ground attack. That stuck with me. I'm increasing the 4 Marianas bases as high as is feasible. Ted must take them. I want to make it painful. But that'l mean large formations. I'm thinking at least 2.5 divisions per base, maybe more.

Serendipitous - had to look that one up. My wife prefers to say happy accident. That's more my speed. You guys convinced me that one large attack is preferable to two small ones. I've been buying divisions out when I have the points, maybe half a dozen so far. I'll get another in December.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2018 1:27:55 PM   
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Keep the supply climbing. Have you started seriously expanding airbases and forts in the Home Islands and inner ring of bases yet?

The '44-'45 rush of reinforcements is a great boon to Japan, and even more so if they can be immediately deployed to positions where fort and airbases are already constructed.

It also looks like your timing on Chungking falling might be very serendipitous - you can pull units from China to buy you enough time for the first wave of '44 reinforcements to arrive and get settled. I'm a big proponent of keeping the Allies behind the historical timetable, simply because the Japanese reinforcements arrive as a result of historical losses (Marianas, Leyte). Getting those troops while holding those respective locations just gives you a bit more padding in the long run.


I've been expanding airbases and forts in both places from 7 Dec 41. The question is how high for both. I started with fort level 6 forts for the critical bases, then started increasing that at a few, such as the Marianas. Airfields are another question. I typically don't go above level 4. I might increase that in the Marianas. I'm starting to look at that now.

Lokasenna had said that higher fort levels are force multipliers that can only be reduced by ground attack. That stuck with me. I'm increasing the 4 Marianas bases as high as is feasible. Ted must take them. I want to make it painful. But that'l mean large formations. I'm thinking at least 2.5 divisions per base, maybe more.

Serendipitous - had to look that one up. My wife prefers to say happy accident. That's more my speed. You guys convinced me that one large attack is preferable to two small ones. I've been buying divisions out when I have the points, maybe half a dozen so far. I'll get another in December.


Good to get strong forts in the Marianas. Don't ignore some closer to home bases though.

I would not then build anything higher than forts 6 in the area around the perimeter. Only those bases in B-29 range really.

On the HI some bases might need to go to forts 9, and I think you'll find that does the job nicely. It is a lot of supply though, so again there are some tough choices based on the progress of the game and instincts about your opponent.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2018 1:57:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

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Keep the supply climbing. Have you started seriously expanding airbases and forts in the Home Islands and inner ring of bases yet?

The '44-'45 rush of reinforcements is a great boon to Japan, and even more so if they can be immediately deployed to positions where fort and airbases are already constructed.

It also looks like your timing on Chungking falling might be very serendipitous - you can pull units from China to buy you enough time for the first wave of '44 reinforcements to arrive and get settled. I'm a big proponent of keeping the Allies behind the historical timetable, simply because the Japanese reinforcements arrive as a result of historical losses (Marianas, Leyte). Getting those troops while holding those respective locations just gives you a bit more padding in the long run.


I've been expanding airbases and forts in both places from 7 Dec 41. The question is how high for both. I started with fort level 6 forts for the critical bases, then started increasing that at a few, such as the Marianas. Airfields are another question. I typically don't go above level 4. I might increase that in the Marianas. I'm starting to look at that now.

Lokasenna had said that higher fort levels are force multipliers that can only be reduced by ground attack. That stuck with me. I'm increasing the 4 Marianas bases as high as is feasible. Ted must take them. I want to make it painful. But that'l mean large formations. I'm thinking at least 2.5 divisions per base, maybe more.

Serendipitous - had to look that one up. My wife prefers to say happy accident. That's more my speed. You guys convinced me that one large attack is preferable to two small ones. I've been buying divisions out when I have the points, maybe half a dozen so far. I'll get another in December.


Good to get strong forts in the Marianas. Don't ignore some closer to home bases though.

I would not then build anything higher than forts 6 in the area around the perimeter. Only those bases in B-29 range really.

On the HI some bases might need to go to forts 9, and I think you'll find that does the job nicely. It is a lot of supply though, so again there are some tough choices based on the progress of the game and instincts about your opponent.


There's a good arguement to be made that investing supplies to push forts as high as possible is always a worthwhile investment in the Home Islands.

- Allied bombing of port/airbases can burn supply. Fort levels mitigate this.
- There's therefore less supply to be bombed out in the first place (as it's been used on forts), so overall supply losses to bombing is lower.
- Forts provide a consistant combat modifier irrespective of other combat modifiers. IOW, units with no supply still benefit from fortification levels.
- High forts (especially in x2 or x3 terrain) offer the only effective method for IJA LCU's to overcome the massive firepower superiority of late-war Allied units.

Basically, my thinking on it is that when the Allied 4E's are plastering Japanese airbases, you want level 6 forts across the board so that there's less supply destroyed for no gain. Is forts the optimum way to spend that supply? Absolutely not, but I've the attitude that it's a case of "use it or lose it".

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2018 2:42:47 PM   
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The US carrier bombers (35 Helldivers, 101 Dauntlesses, 72 Avengers escorted by 54 Hellcats) added to the damage to Rot-Namur's airfield.


'The Big Blue Blanket' is beginning to rear its ugly head. That's not good.



Said blanket is a CAP tactic.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/22/2018 4:23:59 PM   
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Helldivers DBs - The 1st gen has SR3, so I don't place them on my CVs. I use the SBD-5s instead with their SR1. If he is using them in continuous operations, their availability goes down. I would monitor his use and plan accordingly. The next gen goes down to SR2 in 5/44, then 3rd gen goes down to SR1 at end of 44. Production of 2nd gen goes way up and I will change to them then.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/23/2018 7:53:34 PM   
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Not sure why he's using Helldivers, Michael. Plane shortage? I'm kind of surprised if that were the case. Here are the Dauntless losses to date:

SBD-3: 521
SBD-5: 248

Not sure if that's high or not...

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/23/2018 8:21:39 PM   
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SB2C-1 Losses: 80

Ok, I did a count of SBD-3, -5 and SB2C-1s received to date:

SBD-3: 814-521 = ~300 remaining
SBD-5: 761-248 = ~500 remaining
SB2C-1: 350-80 = ~270 remaining

So, he should have enough SBD-5s left to outfit all his carriers and most of his Marine DB units, I think. The Bunker Hill arrives with the SB2C-1 aboard so I'll bet he just left them at the time. When she ate the torps, he probably swapped out those dive bombers with some other unit that got trashed. That tells me that Bunker Hill's damage isn't critical. Still, a couple more torpedoes into her side should probably do her in. If I can only catch her.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/23/2018 9:47:26 PM   
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OK, I've got about 10 minutes. I did it again, left no time.

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Airfields are another question. I typically don't go above level 4.


In the HI and some areas of Manchukuo I'd suggest you go to a full 8. This doubles the base AS and can free bunches of other AS units for the front. I still like to go further at many other bases, but that's just me. Rabaul is at a full 9. IIRC that means I can put tons of planes there w/o restriction. Still gotta look that one up, but I recall something about level 9 AFs'. I intend to make Rabaul a real bitch to subdue. I even have plans for her supply that should make it a long haul to bring to its knees.

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I'm thinking at least 2.5 divisions per base, maybe more.


IRL Japan had 30k troops on Saipan, roughly equivalent to 2.5 divisions. IIRC she had little in the rest of the Marianas.

quote:

You guys convinced me that one large attack is preferable to two small ones.


I was thinking the opposite as the two smaller ones seemed to be making headway. I will however go with experience here and say the one.

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I've been buying divisions out when I have the points, maybe half a dozen so far. I'll get another in December.


Nice. I was wondering about that, and meant to ask. Now I don't have to.

OK, gotta run.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/23/2018 10:34:42 PM   
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SB2C-1 Losses: 80

Ok, I did a count of SBD-3, -5 and SB2C-1s received to date:

SBD-3: 814-521 = ~300 remaining
SBD-5: 761-248 = ~500 remaining
SB2C-1: 350-80 = ~270 remaining

So, he should have enough SBD-5s left to outfit all his carriers and most of his Marine DB units, I think. The Bunker Hill arrives with the SB2C-1 aboard so I'll bet he just left them at the time. When she ate the torps, he probably swapped out those dive bombers with some other unit that got trashed. That tells me that Bunker Hill's damage isn't critical. Still, a couple more torpedoes into her side should probably do her in. If I can only catch her.


Ok, I didn't look at reinforcement units being short or over strength in aircraft numbers. Here's the modified number of remaining aircraft:

SBD-3: 250
SBD-5: 300 (no effective change)
SB2C-1: 80 (no effective change)

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/23/2018 10:40:55 PM   
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OK, I've got about 10 minutes. I did it again, left no time.

quote:

Airfields are another question. I typically don't go above level 4.


In the HI and some areas of Manchukuo I'd suggest you go to a full 8. This doubles the base AS and can free bunches of other AS units for the front. I still like to go further at many other bases, but that's just me. Rabaul is at a full 9. IIRC that means I can put tons of planes there w/o restriction. Still gotta look that one up, but I recall something about level 9 AFs'. I intend to make Rabaul a real bitch to subdue. I even have plans for her supply that should make it a long haul to bring to its knees.

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I'm thinking at least 2.5 divisions per base, maybe more.


IRL Japan had 30k troops on Saipan, roughly equivalent to 2.5 divisions. IIRC she had little in the rest of the Marianas.

quote:

You guys convinced me that one large attack is preferable to two small ones.


I was thinking the opposite as the two smaller ones seemed to be making headway. I will however go with experience here and say the one.

quote:

I've been buying divisions out when I have the points, maybe half a dozen so far. I'll get another in December.


Nice. I was wondering about that, and meant to ask. Now I don't have to.

OK, gotta run.



You sure are busy for being retired.

A couple clarifications:

Airfield size: that's outside the Home Islands and a couple of notable bases. Truk has been maxed out in size for a long time (7?). Rabaul was pretty high, maybe maxed out. Home Islands are 7-10 in most cases.

You're right that 2 smaller attacks were making good headway. I'm going to try one big one a few times to see how that affects things. One that for certain: I'll need to have combined attacks to get the magic 2:1 to push the Chinese Army out of Chungking/force its surrender. This last "small" attack netted me 1:3 odds, the best so far.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/24/2018 12:07:00 PM   
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By the way, yesterday was the 7th anniversary of starting this PBEM.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/24/2018 1:16:24 PM   
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By the way, yesterday was the 7th anniversary of starting this PBEM.

A day that will live in infamy?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/24/2018 1:25:37 PM   
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So you should be done around 2025, give or take a few years. 😏

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/25/2018 1:05:32 AM   
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You outlasted both the European and Pacific war are you going for combined total now?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/25/2018 1:45:59 AM   
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Well, there was a deployment (2?) in there, a retirement, new job, wedding (IIRC?) ….

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/25/2018 12:42:39 PM   
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Well, there was a deployment (2?) in there, a retirement, new job, wedding (IIRC?) ….


Yep, all of that. Two weddings actually. I figure we actually played about 4 years during that time. Now, the delays are usually a week at most. Should be getting a turn today.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/25/2018 7:03:44 PM   
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You sure are busy for being retired.


Gotta stay busy, keeps you young. TBH, I can't figure out how I got anything done when I was working.

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I'll need to have combined attacks to get the magic 2:1 to push the Chinese Army out of Chungking/force its surrender.


My experience has shown that enemy forces with nowhere else to go will surrender rather than retreat. You've captured everything else in China, no? If so I'm guessing they'll surrender, even if they have an exit route.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/25/2018 7:06:56 PM   
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By the way, yesterday was the 7th anniversary of starting this PBEM.


I didn't even have the game back then. Got it in 2012, long story. Great that you guys stuck it out through thick and thin.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2018 2:10:24 PM   
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I'll need to have combined attacks to get the magic 2:1 to push the Chinese Army out of Chungking/force its surrender.


My experience has shown that enemy forces with nowhere else to go will surrender rather than retreat. You've captured everything else in China, no? If so I'm guessing they'll surrender, even if they have an exit route.


Just about. There are two Chinese corps that are marooned in different hexes and are surrounded. There also is an army of ~100k (probably less now) 6 or 8 hexes to the SE of Chungking that is cut off in a base hex (with no infrastructure) that is in a clear hex. I'll bomb them all into oblivion once Chungking capitulates. Chungking is isolated but getting a smattering of supply from Ledo, which I'm trying to shut down.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2018 3:04:29 PM   
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1 Dec 43

Sub War

Subs (and ASW) were busy today...

The SS Escolar finally got frisky and entered Truk's hex. She ate a DC from Shinonome. Hopefully, she took enough damage to go home. She's been a real nuisance.

Two hexes NE of Palembang, the Tachikaze hit Harder with a DC. She's sitting right on my route from Palembang to Singapore. I've got a couple of ASW TFs prosecuting her, along with some Sallies on ASW. All that in a shallow hex.

Just NW of Brunei, a PB on ASW duty was sunk by Seadragon. Another Ansyu bites the dust.

Finally, the I-22 made an attempt at Bunker Hill. She ended up taking 2 DCs, was driven to the surface where she took 3x 5" shells and got away. She's attempting to limp to "safe" port at Kwajalein with heavy damage: 46-88(38)-16(6)-0. More on that below.

5 Fleet

The Sally sentai bombed the Allied troops at Umnak. The BB bombardment force is still a few days out. The carriers are hiding in the Pacific until the BBs arrive. Then, I'll go in with both barrels and attempt a Deliberate Assault.

4 Fleet

The I-22 engaged Bunker Hill's TF (I think) but never spotted the carrier. This was 6 hexes west of Pearl Harbor. What I discovered is that there are 2 damaged carriers there. They split up into 2 TFs. One is 6 hexes out and the other is 4 hexes out. I had no idea. Wonder what damaged the second carrier? I missed something somewhere.

Anyway, I-22 is limping home. There are only 2 subs remaining, and they both are short of fuel. Once more day to attempt to engage the western most carrier (probably Bunker Hill, but who really knows). Then they'll both have to return to Kwajalein to refuel.

SE Fleet

Pretty quiet here. Ted was happy to send over 100 bomber sorties against Rabaul's troop. What few there are there...

SRA

I sent 5 DDs south on a little side trip to clear out the xAKLs that were attracting my carrier planes, while my carriers withdrew north a bit to hide from Allied snoopers. I didn't find the baby cargo ships but I did find the enemy carriers. Turns out there are 3x CVLs: Princeton, Belleau Wood and Cowpens. In the ensuing action, both side's DDs wasted a lot of torpedoes and I got a single 5" hit on a BB, destroying some radar. They hit little Tanikaze (a Kagero) 7 times, including 2x 16 inchers and leaving her burning. The one up side was that Cowpens and CLAA Atlanta collided in the confusion. Then the Allied TF escaped.

The Allied TF was composed of 3 CVLs, 3 BBs, 2 CLAAs, 5 CLs and 12 DDs.

The two TFs blundered into each other again. The Allied ships focused on poor little Tanikaze. She was a torch in the dark, after all. The Allied TF then fled again to the south and out of sight.

Tanikaze sank later that day, my first Kagero loss of the war.

Burma

The weather must have been bad in the region today, because the only attack was 8 Helens escorted by 21 Oscars against Ledo where they met 5 Warhawks. I lost 2 Oscars vs. 1 Warhawk, and one Helen was lost to flak. Light damage was done to the airfield that was easily repaired. This ain't the way to close an airfield.

China

As I said earlier, I'm going to try a single 11k AV attack. Troops are resting for that event. No bombers flew in China today, probably due to weather. They probably needed the rest anyway.

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Reinforcement: CVE Shinyo, 33 plane capacity, slower than molasses. This is the last CVE I'm building. She'll carry 24 Zeros and 9 Judies.

I heard sinking 3 times during the turn. I suspect one was poor Tanikaze, but the other 2 were Allied. No clue what they were. Both damaged Allied subs were reported sunk, but the points don't reflect that, so who knows. The two carriers are showing up west of Pearl, so it wasn't one of them. (Hell, until now I had no idea there were 2).

The D4Y4 Judy R&D advanced to 11/44 (will become operational 4/44).

I had 2 BB (Ise & Hyuga), 2 CL and 2 DD enter refit at various ports.

My TACOM pilots were slackers last month. I had 39 IJN pilots accelerate in month 10 and 12 IJN pilots accelerate in month 8.

I did get 728 IJA pilots graduate today. That's really nice. My IJA pilot pool was empty. I can really use them in my training units.

Not sure if I mentioned it earlier, but I decided to convert my size 360 Ha-34 engine factory to the Ha-45. That happened today.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2018 3:51:10 PM   
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Reinforcement: CVE Shinyo, 33 plane capacity, slower than molasses. This is the last CVE I'm building. She'll carry 24 Zeros and 9 Judies.


Early in war while the Empire is expanding, I convert the faster TKs to AOs.
You lose a little in liquid capacity, but gives you move flexibility.
Now, I would make Replenishment TFs with those AOs and one of those very slow CVEs.
The CVE would have 33 Kates/Jills and trained up in ASW.
Follow KB or use in regular TK runs with oil/fuel to Home Islands.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2018 4:36:27 PM   
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I had 2 BB (Ise & Hyuga)


Have you considered the conversion of any of these BB's. I know the air component may be of little use (could assist ASW or search though), but it does double the heavy AAA component from 8 to 16. Since I embed BB's in my CV TF's it could help. If you don't put the BB's in with the CV's then obviously its of no real use.


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I sent 5 DDs south on a little side trip to clear out the xAKLs that were attracting my carrier planes, while my carriers withdrew north a bit to hide from Allied snoopers. I didn't find the baby cargo ships but I did find the enemy carriers. Turns out there are 3x CVLs:


Figures.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2018 5:31:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants_MatrixForum

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Reinforcement: CVE Shinyo, 33 plane capacity, slower than molasses. This is the last CVE I'm building. She'll carry 24 Zeros and 9 Judies.


Early in war while the Empire is expanding, I convert the faster TKs to AOs.
You lose a little in liquid capacity, but gives you move flexibility.
Now, I would make Replenishment TFs with those AOs and one of those very slow CVEs.
The CVE would have 33 Kates/Jills and trained up in ASW.
Follow KB or use in regular TK runs with oil/fuel to Home Islands.


I did that with a number of the 11.6k TKs I built, converting about 8 to 10.4k AOs if I remember correctly. They're a third Replenishment TF. I use them to haul oil or fuel when not needed for operations. I've been really lucky with my TK losses. Of the large ones, only one 12k TK has been lost. It just blew up one day, fully loaded, of course. Some idiot with a match. My large TK convoys coming from Singapore have been doing stellar work keeping Singapore drained of fuel and oil. I change around their routes periodically. He's having a hard time finding them. Eventually, he'll just flood the South China Sea with subs and then it'll get tough. That's what I'd do.

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I had 2 BB (Ise & Hyuga)


Have you considered the conversion of any of these BB's. I know the air component may be of little use (could assist ASW or search though), but it does double the heavy AAA component from 8 to 16. Since I embed BB's in my CV TF's it could help. If you don't put the BB's in with the CV's then obviously its of no real use.



The only BBs I use with KB are the Kongos. The others are too slow. I probably won't bother with the conversion.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2018 6:09:44 PM   
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The others are too slow.


I tend to divide my CV's by speed and match BB's to that speed. My KB's are, KB-F, KB-M, KB-S. Kongo's go to -F, Yamato's to -M, Ise's to -S.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 11/29/2018 7:47:30 PM   
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The others are too slow.


I tend to divide my CV's by speed and match BB's to that speed. My KB's are, KB-F, KB-M, KB-S. Kongo's go to -F, Yamato's to -M, Ise's to -S.


I understand, but the fastest of the lot are the Kongos at 30 kt. The other BBs are not fast enough allow the carriers to run away really, really, quick.

At any rate, I'm still having too much fun using my BB main batteries to give those nasty Allies a snoot full.

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