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something worth waiting for or not? - 10/21/2011 12:25:41 PM   
SoliInvictus202


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I have tried for quite some time now to bomb the 124 ships in Tokyo harbor...

1) I moved in 10 CVs, 5 CVLs and support to within 1-days of full speed strike range... - for some reason they didn't move the full 16 hexes (YES; I did make sure that they wouldn't have to refuel, and ops points were all 0 next turn) - but they didn't close within the 7 hexes needed to launch their 1500 aircraft...

2) of course now the CVs were detected - so I had to abord the mission in order to not suffer horrendous casualties (I bombed the fighters out of the airfield at Tokyo at night for a week) - so I instead set sail for an attack on Osaka - fully expecting to see my opponent's Kamikazes.... CAP was properly formed up on different altitudes - and I was waiting for the launch... once I saw the replay - nothing happened - again my CVs, this time in strike range, didn't launch at all.... - guess it was weather this time!

3) pretty angry I decided to retire my CVs (still unharmed and unscratched, as it appears my opponent is only using Anns and NAtes for Kamikazes up to now, they don'T have the range to hurt me) and instead sink shipping in the convoy lanes on the way to Japan... did work out better, but not great...

4) after the week of night AF attack on Tokyo, Osaka and Kobe (to not make it too obvious) many of my heavy bombers were damaged - so I had to stand them down for a week to repair... - after that I ordered a full strike of all my 4Es in Hokkaido (some 3-400, knowing that at least 25% would still be damaged during the time of the attack)...

I waited, waited, waited.... no flights, nothing... now after a week of waiting (we have January '44, so I am not surprised that my bombers stayed home :) )... this happened just today:


Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 43
B-24J Liberator x 77
P-38H Lightning x 25
P-38J Lightning x 25
F4U-1 Corsair x 14
F4U-1A Corsair x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 55


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 14 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 7 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAP Montevideo Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS I-36, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Ryuzan Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Akitsushima, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Nuwashima, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Meisan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Manila Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Panama Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Seikyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Okiyu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Tokiwa, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tokyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Atlas Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Shinkyo Maru, Bomb hits 1
TK Nissan Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Nihonka Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kozui Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AK Anyo Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Oregon Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires
E W-30, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Monji Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Wales Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Ayagiri Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Seattle Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
AK Sagami Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires
CM Tsugaru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Genoa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Norfolk Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Akitsushima Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Unyo Maru, Bomb hits 1
E Awaji, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS RO-104, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
PB Seikai Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Toyoura Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAKL Taibu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tensin Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Sumatra Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Taiko Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Sakito Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
xAKL Tenpei Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Eli Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Choko Maru #5, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AM Wa 105, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Tamahoko Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
TK Ryuei Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AMc Wa 21, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
TK Zuiyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AK Kotoku Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Hokuroku Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Kasyu Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Syokyu Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kyosei Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AM Wa 103, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AMc Wa 17, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SC Ch 33, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kyuma Maru, Bomb hits 1
AMc Wa 4, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Genzan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Cuba Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Utide Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAK Daijo Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AMc Wa 11, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AM Wa 104, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Shinan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Fuchu Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AMc Wa 8, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AK Hirokawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Sydney Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS I-34, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
TK Gosyu Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Yuho Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Repair Shipyard hits 4
Port hits 42
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1


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Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 11
B-24J Liberator x 10
B-25D1 Mitchell x 15
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 7 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Tamahoko Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kozui Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Sakito Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Toyoura Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS I-34, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Nihonka Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Genoa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Ryuei Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Akitsushima Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Shinkyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Hirokawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Ujigawa Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
TK Yuho Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Unyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Utide Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tokyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMc Wa 18, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Daijo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tempei Maru, Bomb hits 1
AK Sydney Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Cuba Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Seattle Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AM Wa 107, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Shinan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Manila Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMc Wa 12, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Kyuma Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Tenzan Maru, Bomb hits 1
PB Ikunta Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Sagami Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Hokuroku Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK England Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AMc Wa 5, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk



Repair Shipyard hits 1
Port hits 12



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Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 11
B-24J Liberator x 12
B-25D1 Mitchell x 15
P-38J Lightning x 25


Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
AK Kotoku Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Ikunta Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK England Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Panama Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Sakito Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMc Wa 15, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AMc Wa 16, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AMc Wa 7, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Tempei Maru, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Kumagawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AMc Wa 22, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PB Tenzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CM Tokiwa, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Genoa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Choko Maru #5, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Genzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kyuma Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage



Port hits 3



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Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 16


Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 7 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Unyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Sydney Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Daijo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Sureboko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PB Tenzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Gosyu Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAKL Dalakita Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Kumagawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AMc Choun Maru #7, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AK Sakito Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Ryuzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage



Port hits 1




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Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 14


Allied aircraft losses
B-25D1 Mitchell: 11 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Ryuzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Kasyu Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Tokiwa, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AMc Wa 13, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PB Sureboko Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Akitsushima, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Utide Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Kumagawa Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CM Tsugaru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Shinkyo Maru, and is sunk
xAKL Taibu Maru, and is sunk



Port hits 5


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now as I initially named the title - WAS IT WORTH THE WAIT???? - WAS IT WORTH THE LOSS OF SURPRISE FOR A POSSIBLE OSAKA ATTACK?

recon continuously showed 5-10 CLs in the harbor, and a few other "juicy" targets.... - so the question remains... lots of shipping sunk and damaged, but was it worth it?










< Message edited by SoliInvictus202 -- 10/21/2011 12:30:20 PM >
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RE: something worth waiting for or not? - 10/21/2011 1:16:42 PM   
Miller


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Lol, 50 plus ships sunk for a few bombers lost.........yes I would think it was.

Having no CAP over a HI port full of ships at that stage of the game is a joke tbf........

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RE: something worth waiting for or not? - 10/21/2011 1:18:33 PM   
SoliInvictus202


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Miller

Lol, 50 plus ships sunk for a few bombers lost.........yes I would think it was.

Having no CAP over a HI port full of ships at that stage of the game is a joke tbf........


well - he based over 400 fighters there 3 weeks ago... in preparation for the planned CV attack I used all 4Es on night AF attack - I trashed about 300 of them I guess.... so he relocated his fighters - and once my CVs were gone I guess he was unaware of the fact that I would risk my 4Es on a day time attack (which I didn't up the point, I only fire bombed the crap out of his cities!)

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