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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/17/2011 3:32:58 PM   
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We had a really nice Borders at our local mall. It's gone of course. So are the jobs of the people that worked there and all the other Borders that closed. To me that's the most depressing part.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/17/2011 8:07:41 PM   
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I don't like reading newspapers - their paper articles don't have a comment section that would call them out on any lies that they write.


Exactly, and no way to have unscreened contradicting opinions or discussion. It's the old stranglehold on media that papers, TV and radio used to have.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/17/2011 8:37:27 PM   
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I see the slow demise of book-trade altogether. Ebooks make publishers obsolete and since .pdf-files are small, many people will rather pirate instead of wasting money. In the end everybody is going to lose - sale, author and reader likewise.

Who would pay a regular price for newspapers anymore? I recently subscribed one for 2.99 a month, to have it abroad on the iPhone. It's nice to get stuff cheap, but publishers can't survive on the long term with dumping fees.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/17/2011 10:21:37 PM   
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I see the slow demise of book-trade altogether. Ebooks make publishers obsolete and since .pdf-files are small, many people will rather pirate instead of wasting money. In the end everybody is going to lose - sale, author and reader likewise.

Libraries exist for this since decades and they didn't make publishers disappear. There were always people who want to just read books and people who want to own them. And libraries were much "worse" than .pdfs as they offer the physical book. Bookstores are dying out because people no longer are interested in paying for another step in retail chain and putting up with extremely limited choice of books.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/17/2011 11:25:23 PM   
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You don't see a difference between copying a physical book and a .pdf?

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/17/2011 11:53:46 PM   
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I cannot search for a book on-line unless I already know that book exists. And the most common way to find out is to browse a book store.

Having found an interesting book, sometimes I get for free from the library!

I have bought some books from Amazon for about 60% - 70% of the price in the book store.

I have noted that if it has an Australian or New Zealand author, Amazon is more expensive than the book store. Dunno why that would be.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/18/2011 1:02:34 AM   
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I cannot search for a book on-line unless I already know that book exists. And the most common way to find out is to browse a book store.

Publishers/web book stores usually have web pages with a list of books, often sorted by keywords and periods.

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You don't see a difference between copying a physical book and a .pdf?

I see a difference. I buy a physical copy of a book after reading/browsing a .pdf much more often than after borrowing a book from a library. It's because the library allows me to use a full physical version of a book for a few months.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/18/2011 1:25:55 AM   
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TBH I don't go to bookstores any longer. I didn't like the crowds ...


Crowds aren't a problem any more.


No, crowds are no longer a problem for brick and mortar book stores.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/18/2011 11:31:14 AM   
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Speaking of crowds. Another thing that I dislike about buying in bookstores is that some books, many comic books are in "used" condition but at full price. It's because some bookstores allow reading their books. One thing that is good about all these manga sites is that they at least allow to examine a comic book without damaging them.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/18/2011 2:02:37 PM   
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Yes, I too have noticed many books and magazines that should be sold as used. At least with Amazon you have a choice of buying new or used.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/18/2011 8:28:31 PM   
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I see a difference. I buy a physical copy of a book after reading/browsing a .pdf much more often than after borrowing a book from a library. It's because the library allows me to use a full physical version of a book for a few months.


Don't get me wrong, I'm not against ebooks. Actually I have quite a few on my had disk. But those are specialized books and references I need every now and then for my work. Not something one necessarily want to shelv, in paticular as these issues get updated every few years.

However, for timeless books I still prefer something physical which can exist outside devices.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/19/2011 1:15:56 AM   
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I would hate to see papers,book stores and books disappear.  What about libraries?  Will they be gone as well?

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/19/2011 2:09:49 AM   
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I think they are too competitive to disappear.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/19/2011 2:39:15 AM   
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I cannot search for a book on-line unless I already know that book exists. And the most common way to find out is to browse a book store.


That's the old way. My wife has amassed a long list of books to buy on-line by reading book review blogs. And most of the books cannot be commonly found in bookstores.

As I said before. Paper books will not disappear but since you can easily get them online, then brick and mortar book stores are the one's in trouble.


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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/21/2011 1:37:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Joe 98

I cannot search for a book on-line unless I already know that book exists. And the most common way to find out is to browse a book store.

Having found an interesting book, sometimes I get for free from the library!

I have bought some books from Amazon for about 60% - 70% of the price in the book store.

I have noted that if it has an Australian or New Zealand author, Amazon is more expensive than the book store. Dunno why that would be.



I have no trouble browsing for e-books books on Amazon. I can either search for topics or rely on "other customers viewed" comments that are prolific. I also love to read the reviews and those often point to other interesting books or authors. I think the online experience actually beats the heck out of pulling dusty books off shelves in a local book store. Much bigger selection as well.

I do hate it when they charge you more for an ebook than they are for a paperback version (Try looking for any Heinlein Sci-fi like "Starship Troopers" - it's a $9.95 Kindle edition with paperback versions for $4.95... ridiculous for an old book. Noticed the same for other titles by this author. On the other hand, I've been picking up self-published Sci-fi novels for under $3 and have been delighted with most of them. High quality that would never have seen the light of day if not for self-publishing via e-books. Amazon is recruiting authors directly now and scaring the daylights out of traditional publishing houses.

May a throw in a recommendation: Michael Hicks - the "In Her Name" series (six books in series, start with 4, 5, and 6 - then go back to read the three prequels that he wrote later). Frankly, one of the best Sci-Fi reads ever, 5 star rated by Amazon readers, and the guy is now writing full time and making 30 grand a month!

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/21/2011 1:46:21 PM   
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On the other hand, I've been picking up self-published Sci-fi novels for under $3 and have been delighted with most of them. High quality that would never have seen the light of day if not for self-publishing via e-books. Amazon is recruiting authors directly now and scaring the daylights out of traditional publishing houses.

May a throw in a recommendation: Michael Hicks - the "In Her Name" series (six books in series, start with 4, 5, and 6 - then go back to read the three prequels that he wrote later). Frankly, one of the best Sci-Fi reads ever, 5 star rated by Amazon readers, and the guy is now writing full time and making 30 grand a month!

I've gotta get started on MY dream novel now that I'm retired

Exactly. One huge upside of the electronic publishing is that it allows the more niche writers to get into action. I remember some writers who were into Sci-Fi realism publishing that way. What is so good about that science fiction series? Is it available on print on demand too?

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/21/2011 6:18:48 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

On the other hand, I've been picking up self-published Sci-fi novels for under $3 and have been delighted with most of them. High quality that would never have seen the light of day if not for self-publishing via e-books. Amazon is recruiting authors directly now and scaring the daylights out of traditional publishing houses.

May a throw in a recommendation: Michael Hicks - the "In Her Name" series (six books in series, start with 4, 5, and 6 - then go back to read the three prequels that he wrote later). Frankly, one of the best Sci-Fi reads ever, 5 star rated by Amazon readers, and the guy is now writing full time and making 30 grand a month!

I've gotta get started on MY dream novel now that I'm retired

Exactly. One huge upside of the electronic publishing is that it allows the more niche writers to get into action. I remember some writers who were into Sci-Fi realism publishing that way. What is so good about that science fiction series? Is it available on print on demand too?


Just checked Amazon and the books are now available in paperback for $9.95 each, Kindle edition is only $2.99, I purchased an "Omnibus" edition that had all three novels for $4.99 (a real bargain!).

"In Her Name" (Kindle- Omnibus Edition)

It also looks like some of the Kindle versions have been increased to $3.99. Seems like the success of this series is pushing it towards regular market pricing. I suggest you buy ASAP if you are interested... the bargain pricing seems to be eroding rapidly.

What is unique about this series? Well, first of all, it's a galactic level space war story, but through it all is a core of an inter-species love story. In a sense, I could really think that someone read this series and was inspired to write the "Avatar" movie script. The aliens are cobalt blue, but human-like. The true heart of the series is understanding this warlike, alien culture and how a human child, abducted and raised by the Kreelan's adapts into their society, finds love and acceptance, and then has to give it all up and be exiled back to humanity when he refuses to fight his own kind.

Follow the above link to Amazon and you can find plenty of detailed reviews, but I recommend just jumping into the books and becoming enraptured without the benefit of prior knowledge of the plot. One reviewer had an interesting comment that while most books are finished and that's the end of it, "In Her Name" stays with you long after you've finished reading. I have to agree, this story is one that I can't get out of my head... it keeps popping up and prompting reflection and further thought... and a feeling of loss that the story had to end. Haven't felt like that about a book since my college days when I finished the last page of "The Lord of the Rings" and realized that was the end of the greatest "read" of my young life.

You could start with the 1st prequel "In Her Name; First Contact" and work through the series to learn the back-story, but the heart of and soul of it begins with book 4 "In Her Name: Empire". The backstory becomes far more interesting in learning a bit more about some of the characters in books 4, 5, and 6 and gaining more perspective into the Kreelan culture. "First Contact" isn't going to "grab you" like "Empire" does, it's a good story but the beauty of "Empire" is how you learn through the eyes of an 11 year old human trying to understand and cope with the warlike, alien society into which he has been thrown and how he grows to be a man - winning acceptance and love through arduous trials and challenges.

You will not be sorry to have read these books!

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/21/2011 6:57:20 PM   
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The only books that grace my house are real life physical books....Paper,ink and glue......
Ebooks? Crap

I prefer going to a bookstore but do get a lot online. Whatever savings for online purchases is counterbalanced by shipping costs so its pretty much the same, just a bit more convenient especially here in the northeast.....


Order over $25 worth of books from Amazon and the shipping is free.

Edit: Do that and live in the same area as an Amazon distribution center and it is usually as quick as 2 day shipping :)

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/21/2011 7:12:10 PM   
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I have a personal stake in this issue, so thought I would chime in.

I publish a regional history/nature/travel magazine about Georgia (USA). We are a quarterly magazine in publication for 25 years. I have been publisher since 2005. We offer old-fashioned print only. We do not offer digital copies.

Our magazine is unusual in that it depends on subscriptions rather than advertising. That is a good thing in this economy. We are also fortunate that we have experienced growth in our subscriptions every quarter since 2005.

I do not foresee us offering a digital version within the next ten years. I also believe there will remain a strong and most likely gorwing demand for high-quality, old-fashioned print publications that provide what the reader is looking for. Many, perhaps most, people will switch to the convenience and price of e-versions of books and magazines, but a fairly substantial number of people will always prefer old-fashioned print. I believe that will be the case for at least the next ten to twenty years, perhaps longer. (I had better be right about this, because if I'm not I'll be hurting!)

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/21/2011 7:17:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn


quote:

ORIGINAL: Perturabo

quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

On the other hand, I've been picking up self-published Sci-fi novels for under $3 and have been delighted with most of them. High quality that would never have seen the light of day if not for self-publishing via e-books. Amazon is recruiting authors directly now and scaring the daylights out of traditional publishing houses.

May a throw in a recommendation: Michael Hicks - the "In Her Name" series (six books in series, start with 4, 5, and 6 - then go back to read the three prequels that he wrote later). Frankly, one of the best Sci-Fi reads ever, 5 star rated by Amazon readers, and the guy is now writing full time and making 30 grand a month!

I've gotta get started on MY dream novel now that I'm retired

Exactly. One huge upside of the electronic publishing is that it allows the more niche writers to get into action. I remember some writers who were into Sci-Fi realism publishing that way. What is so good about that science fiction series? Is it available on print on demand too?


Just checked Amazon and the books are now available in paperback for $9.95 each, Kindle edition is only $2.99, I purchased an "Omnibus" edition that had all three novels for $4.99 (a real bargain!).

"In Her Name" (Kindle- Omnibus Edition)

It also looks like some of the Kindle versions have been increased to $3.99. Seems like the success of this series is pushing it towards regular market pricing. I suggest you buy ASAP if you are interested... the bargain pricing seems to be eroding rapidly.

What is unique about this series? Well, first of all, it's a galactic level space war story, but through it all is a core of an inter-species love story. In a sense, I could really think that someone read this series and was inspired to write the "Avatar" movie script. The aliens are cobalt blue, but human-like. The true heart of the series is understanding this warlike, alien culture and how a human child, abducted and raised by the Kreelan's adapts into their society, finds love and acceptance, and then has to give it all up and be exiled back to humanity when he refuses to fight his own kind.

Follow the above link to Amazon and you can find plenty of detailed reviews, but I recommend just jumping into the books and becoming enraptured without the benefit of prior knowledge of the plot. One reviewer had an interesting comment that while most books are finished and that's the end of it, "In Her Name" stays with you long after you've finished reading. I have to agree, this story is one that I can't get out of my head... it keeps popping up and prompting reflection and further thought... and a feeling of loss that the story had to end. Haven't felt like that about a book since my college days when I finished the last page of "The Lord of the Rings" and realized that was the end of the greatest "read" of my young life.

You could start with the 1st prequel "In Her Name; First Contact" and work through the series to learn the back-story, but the heart of and soul of it begins with book 4 "In Her Name: Empire". The backstory becomes far more interesting in learning a bit more about some of the characters in books 4, 5, and 6 and gaining more perspective into the Kreelan culture. "First Contact" isn't going to "grab you" like "Empire" does, it's a good story but the beauty of "Empire" is how you learn through the eyes of an 11 year old human trying to understand and cope with the warlike, alien society into which he has been thrown and how he grows to be a man - winning acceptance and love through arduous trials and challenges.

You will not be sorry to have read these books!

Oh, I see. Generally, I'm not very fond of Space Opera. Do you know any good hard sci-fi published that way?



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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/23/2011 9:52:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Perturabo


quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn


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ORIGINAL: Perturabo

quote:

ORIGINAL: rhondabrwn

On the other hand, I've been picking up self-published Sci-fi novels for under $3 and have been delighted with most of them. High quality that would never have seen the light of day if not for self-publishing via e-books. Amazon is recruiting authors directly now and scaring the daylights out of traditional publishing houses.

May a throw in a recommendation: Michael Hicks - the "In Her Name" series (six books in series, start with 4, 5, and 6 - then go back to read the three prequels that he wrote later). Frankly, one of the best Sci-Fi reads ever, 5 star rated by Amazon readers, and the guy is now writing full time and making 30 grand a month!

I've gotta get started on MY dream novel now that I'm retired

Exactly. One huge upside of the electronic publishing is that it allows the more niche writers to get into action. I remember some writers who were into Sci-Fi realism publishing that way. What is so good about that science fiction series? Is it available on print on demand too?


Just checked Amazon and the books are now available in paperback for $9.95 each, Kindle edition is only $2.99, I purchased an "Omnibus" edition that had all three novels for $4.99 (a real bargain!).

"In Her Name" (Kindle- Omnibus Edition)

It also looks like some of the Kindle versions have been increased to $3.99. Seems like the success of this series is pushing it towards regular market pricing. I suggest you buy ASAP if you are interested... the bargain pricing seems to be eroding rapidly.

What is unique about this series? Well, first of all, it's a galactic level space war story, but through it all is a core of an inter-species love story. In a sense, I could really think that someone read this series and was inspired to write the "Avatar" movie script. The aliens are cobalt blue, but human-like. The true heart of the series is understanding this warlike, alien culture and how a human child, abducted and raised by the Kreelan's adapts into their society, finds love and acceptance, and then has to give it all up and be exiled back to humanity when he refuses to fight his own kind.

Follow the above link to Amazon and you can find plenty of detailed reviews, but I recommend just jumping into the books and becoming enraptured without the benefit of prior knowledge of the plot. One reviewer had an interesting comment that while most books are finished and that's the end of it, "In Her Name" stays with you long after you've finished reading. I have to agree, this story is one that I can't get out of my head... it keeps popping up and prompting reflection and further thought... and a feeling of loss that the story had to end. Haven't felt like that about a book since my college days when I finished the last page of "The Lord of the Rings" and realized that was the end of the greatest "read" of my young life.

You could start with the 1st prequel "In Her Name; First Contact" and work through the series to learn the back-story, but the heart of and soul of it begins with book 4 "In Her Name: Empire". The backstory becomes far more interesting in learning a bit more about some of the characters in books 4, 5, and 6 and gaining more perspective into the Kreelan culture. "First Contact" isn't going to "grab you" like "Empire" does, it's a good story but the beauty of "Empire" is how you learn through the eyes of an 11 year old human trying to understand and cope with the warlike, alien society into which he has been thrown and how he grows to be a man - winning acceptance and love through arduous trials and challenges.

You will not be sorry to have read these books!

Oh, I see. Generally, I'm not very fond of Space Opera. Do you know any good hard sci-fi published that way?



I'll keep an eye out. "The Lost Fleet" series comes to mind but that is more traditional and not a "bargain" self-published series. Lots of "Space Opera" and Vampire stuff out there. Just finished reading The first two novels in the "Black Knight Chronicles" series by John G Hartness (Vampire Detective genre - satirical and funny like reading Terry Pratchett "Discworld" books). Unfortunately, I see that the new 3rd installment "Knight Moves" is now available in paperback and the price has jumped from .99 to 4.99 for the Kindle edition as this self-published author has apparently hit the jackpot and done mainstream :(

Just go to the Amazon "Kindle Store" section and start browsing... the links will take you into all kinds of interesting possibilities. Every time I go there I tend to find another author to start following. It does bug me when they get progressively more expensive as the books "catch on", but I can't begrudge an author making money. That 99 cent entry point for a lot of self-published material really does make exploration cheap. I've got over 150 books on my Kindle now and about 30 of those still unread and waiting for me to get to them. Dozens more on my Amazon "Wish List".

Waiting for my Kindle Fire to ship next month :)


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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/23/2011 11:43:19 PM   
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Here in Germany it is quite difficult to buy millitary books in bookshops, esp. in the english language.
So I am forced to buy from Amazon either the German or the UK site. Postage is not really a problem as here in Germany I don't have to pay fees.

My "normal" books I buy in my local bookshop, I can order my book there and normally get it in 1-10 days. Because of my being a regular customer I get 20% reduction off my books so I can't complain for a few days waiting.

I'd rather hold and feel the book than using an ebook.

How many of us game players want a printed manual, compared to the digital versions?

I know what I prefer and my book shelves show that fact. Much to the complaint of my GF who asks if I already have the book I've just ordered, or if I really need to buy another book.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/24/2011 12:15:08 AM   
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"The Lost Fleet" was published in Poland on paper. I could afford just one book, though. I've read another one from a library. Very interesting stuff. Too bad there isn't any technology book for it - as I have no idea how all the ships look, how they work, etc.
I gave my copy of the first tome to a library as they wrote that they will buy the rest of a series if one will bring them a book. So far I haven't seen them buy any.

It seems that the Amazon Store has 2000 hard-sci-fi books vs. 200 ebooks.


I'm considering buying a cheapest ebook reader possible to be able to read stuff from the Gutenberg Project and fanfiction.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/28/2011 6:38:55 PM   
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Books in the Osprey and Concord style can only be savoured as physical copies......


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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/29/2011 1:52:05 AM   
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I really hate how everything is done on the Interweb now. I miss my local bookstores. I like going in to find something new. I liked talking to the people that worked there....for the most part. You can probably tell by my overall lack of posting on here that I am not an Internet fan. I use it because I have to, not really because I enjoy it. I think it's a real shame when I see places like book stores and small coffee shops going out of business because people prefer to lock themselves into their homes and sit on the PC for hours on end. Don't get me all wrong I enjoy firing up the PC to play some of the fine Matrix titles that I actually did purchase online. But I also like to get out there, and DO something.

I can't stand e-books. First of all, unless you enjoy pop-history books you very often can't get what you are looking for in e-book form. Then you are locked into the proprietary format of the device you decided to purchase. And you miss out on the whole experience of reading an actual book in the first place. The feel of the paper, the smell...I don't know maybe I am becoming an angry old man but I just enjoy the "antiquated" practice of cracking open a book and reading it instead of turning on my Kindle. They also look really nice sitting in my library....

Oh and BTW I recently met the most amazing woman in a book store. Try doing that on your Kindle.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/29/2011 8:56:04 AM   
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The feel of the paper, the smell...I don't know maybe I am becoming an angry old man but I just enjoy the "antiquated" practice of cracking open a book and reading it instead of turning on my Kindle. They also look really nice sitting in my library....

Warspite1

For a while I insisted on having a physical CD, but for some time now I have dispensed with this and download only.

To do the same with books? I do not have a kindle, but would not rule out getting one in the future, but it would be a big step. I fully agree with the above sentiment.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/29/2011 4:15:13 PM   
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The feel of the paper, the smell...I don't know maybe I am becoming an angry old man but I just enjoy the "antiquated" practice of cracking open a book and reading it instead of turning on my Kindle. They also look really nice sitting in my library....

Warspite1

For a while I insisted on having a physical CD, but for some time now I have dispensed with this and download only.

On the other hand, I simply started buying vinyls instead of CDs as vinyls are more classy. Generally, when it comes to books, I rarely buy them as I have only limited storage space, it's hard to resell them and most of them are just paper with words on it. Exclusive editions with nice coloured paper, embossed covers, rich illustration and similar stuff are far to rare and ordinary books are expensive enough here to make buying them rather unappealing without stuff like that. That's why I'm mostly reading books from libraries.
Still, yeah, it's nice to read a real book. On the other hand, I think that ebooks have their uses. Too bad that readers are so expensive.
Kindle is probably the cheapest portable reader, but I don't trust networked devices. I just want something like a simple mp3 player but for books.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/29/2011 7:56:50 PM   
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New is not always better.  Things are changing so fast.......one area is publications.

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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/29/2011 9:42:11 PM   
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Too bad that readers are so expensive.
Kindle is probably the cheapest portable reader, but I don't trust networked devices. I just want something like a simple mp3 player but for books.


Weltbild.de sells the TrekStore ebook-reader for € 60,- and they deliver EU wide.

I rather aim for a Tablet though. Maybe next year when iPad 3 hit the market.




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RE: Vanishing Bookstores? - 10/29/2011 10:47:58 PM   
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It has a LCD display, not e-ink, though.

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