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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/6/2011 6:01:02 PM   
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Here are the losses for yesterday.

We went in hard over the PI again, but one zero group didn't follow it's Nells, so they got nailed. We're going to relax on the bombing until everything is built up and closer in on the PI and after we've run a series of sweeps.




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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/6/2011 6:10:00 PM   
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What range is your naval search set at? Would your subs have spotted any ships fleeing to the east, south, or north?

I suspect he's playing a shell game. I bet he moved all the ships and had them "auto disband" in Hilo and Lahaina harbours. I wouldn't be surprised to see him move them back to Pearl next turn. I bet he lost several heavily damaged ships once they left Pearl and their damage control failed.

You might try hitting the smaller HI ports and have the KB sweep around to the east and see if you spot and kill any slow moving cripples.


Last turn Naval Search was only set at 6 for the Vals, but at 10 for some Jakes. Next turn I feel i can sweep around, hopefully not getting tangled with a bunch of PTs and subs, and see what's out there. I'll recon both Lahaina and Hilo as well in addition to Pearl. Both read no ships but have anchors on them.

The subs are all around Pearl, and didn't spot anything, so it makes sense that all ships went to those two ports.

I think I'll be revising my planned movements.

He could have withdrawn the air groups as well, to get them out of harms way.


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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/7/2011 11:30:30 AM   
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I've just run the next turn, and as it turns out Jzanes was right on the money. He was playing a shell game with ALL of the PH ships, sending them to Lahaina and Hilo. I changed my previous KB course and ran it down 3 hexes from both ports and launched 3 hex naval/port strikes with all groups minus the 1 Kate group on 9 hex search (70%) recon (30%).

I suspect he sent a good number of the fast DDs CLs and CAs that were undamaged out toward the US, but I'm not positive still about this. My recon still shows Pearl empty and 3 ships in Lahaina (1 BB) and none in Hilo. I have a good idea of what happended to the ships in Hilo, however.

Hawaii

The KB got a good shot at numerous support, merchant, auxilliary, and patrol ships that had been shuffled out of PH last turn to Lahaina (I suspect) and this turn went toward Hilo. I haven't counted everything up, and the ships sunk chart doesn't show half of the ships that I watched getting demolished in the replay, but it looks like we took out a fair number of these ships. I'll look through the replay again and document the losses for the more comprehensive post to come. I think his bluff was called this turn, and he lost a big pot on this one. Hats off to Jzanes to giving me the heads up to consider some other options.

This is the difficult and exciting part of beginning to play a human opponent. I do have to adjust my thinking to take in more possible choices, and learn to better predict the one he will choose.

I did commit one serious and long lasting blunder this turn. I sent two Glenn subs, (including the I-25) one hex from PH. I had them set for a 1 hex react, but never thought they'd step into the minefield at PH to react to a couple of PCs there! This will hurt, I know. I guess I'll have to pick a new sub to follow. Hopefully this will not become a trend, but as I'm not superstitious, I'm going forward and will choose another this weekend. Preferably one sitting in the middle of the Pacific somewhere.


PI

The convoys came close to shore and encountered numerous PT and sub attacks. One PT group avoided the SCTFs and knocked out a DMS, but no merchants were hit. This 3 PT TF then got wiped by the accompanying CLs and DDs. Subs all missing, thankfully. It did push my amphib TF back fro the landing though, so I wasted a turn here. More DDs will come in tomorrow before the TF moves forward toward Vigan.

No flights over the PI as I wait for closer airfields. Several small merchants fro Hong Kong were hit by the Netties.

Malaya

Subs continued to try out the ASW around the convoys unloading. KXII paid the ultimate price with 13 hits and is listed as sunk. No ships lost here this turn. We also hit a good number of uncapped merchants fleeing the area through the straits. At least 4 xAKs and the Vendetta, which took a torp from a Betty and went down. Escorts flew with them this turn, but I might have to try narrow search arcs tomorrow as well to avoid the CAP I suspect will be over these ships.

On land we're beginning the long pursuit toward Singapore.

DEI

The Legaspi invasion is heading for Ambon. It has been detected, but I'm going ahead as there is good Surface cover and the Mini KB is near, hitting ships and obviously supporting this op. Hopefully the Boise et al will give it a pass, but if they come in, I assume our SCTF can hold it's own. I'm going to send a couple DDs as a decoy to Boela to bombard.

Central Pacific

Tarawa is ours, but I'm surprised this convoy didn't get plastered this turn by the Lexington TF. He knew where it was going. This makes me suspect he's hanging around Wake. I'll up the recon and see if the Wildcats are still there. Or he may have just hightailed it for the North or the South. The Wake invasion turned back and is near Kwajalein, as one of my scouting subs had a 3/3 detection rating about 10 hexes east of Wotje last turn. This has to be a CVTF. Nothing else around.

China

The AVG showed up in Changsha, which is great. I began bombing there immediately, but let the units be filled with fresh replacement pilots just in case. He jumped and I lost 4 Nates and 5 Sonias. But now at least one section of the AVG is out of Burma and the DEI, which suits me just fine.

HI

Setting up convoys and refits. Lots of scrambling ships and clicking.

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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/7/2011 4:03:19 PM   
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Beware, nothing can stop That Damn Boise!

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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/7/2011 7:52:11 PM   
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Good to hear that you caught him being sneaky with his ships. One thing, I've learned to do is to place at least one ship in each port. That way your opponent will see the anchor symbol but won't know if you have 1 ship or a thousand in the port unless he recons the base. Plus you can move your ships from port to port and have them auto disband and he won't know that you moved them unless he see's them enroute.

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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/7/2011 8:29:49 PM   
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What an odd move on his part. It makes much more sense to leave the cripples in port and defend them with the fighters you have left and shoot down 20% of the KBs attack planes.

Nice bonus for you to catch them!



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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/8/2011 10:43:18 AM   
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quote:

Beware, nothing can stop That Damn Boise! -Cribtop-


I know! I am very wary. Hopefully it went toward another are first and can't make it down here. It would be hard by now to put a big SCTF together at Ambon, but you never know. I will find out in two turns. Ryujo is also around trying to scare everyone else off with her terrifying group of Claudes and some Kates. Not enough A6M2s around yet.

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Good to hear that you caught him being sneaky with his ships. One thing, I've learned to do is to place at least one ship in each port. That way your opponent will see the anchor symbol but won't know if you have 1 ship or a thousand in the port unless he recons the base. Plus you can move your ships from port to port and have them auto disband and he won't know that you moved them unless he see's them enroute. -Jzanes-


I've learned some good lessons here.

1. Recon, recon, recon. Each port has two separate recon flights now.

2. Naval/Port strike is your best friend. This turn both ports are targeted by at least one group, so if there is more around than there appears to be, then we'll find out and have at least a few groups hitting them.

3. Human opponents are sneaky. I still feel like there are about 60-90 ships unaccounted for here, and if they're out in the waters south or east of Hawaii, I will be off to find them next turn. None of the subs to the east on patrol have run into anything at all. The one Glen sub south hasn't seen anything. No ships reported at Pearl, (no anchor symbol either), 3 ships with 1 BB at least at Lahaina, 0 ships but with an anchor symbol at Hilo. I also have some night searches on trying to see if he does move them.

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What an odd move on his part. It makes much more sense to leave the cripples in port and defend them with the fighters you have left and shoot down 20% of the KBs attack planes.

Nice bonus for you to catch them! -Ketza-


Welcome Ketza!

Yes, I also think its a bit weird to leave that cozy nook of 90 fighters and tons of AAA. Tricky, and it caught me off guard, but it didn't really work out as planned. I guess if I'd tried one more Pearl strike and no recon around the area maybe I would have just left. Not likely though, as my first plan was to go NE and see if they had fled. If I found nothing there I would have gone back to recon everything and found them anyway.

Now, I am playing with fire, as there was another dud sub attack by Gudgeon this turn. Thing s could have made a very different turn if any of the multiple sub or PT strikes had hit the KB.

Just about to rewatch the replay and count up the damage. I'll report again after that with a list.

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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/8/2011 12:06:00 PM   
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Day 3 - Air attack near Hilo

This is a list of the ships attacked near Hilo. Most of them looked in dire condition after the attack, though few show up on the sunk ships report.

ACM PLanter
CM Oglala

AMc Condor
AMc Crossbill
AMc Redbird
AMc Cockatoo
AM Turkey
AM Bobolink
AM Tern
AM Vireo
AM Rail


AD Rigel
AD Dobbin
AD Whitney
AE Pyro
AE Mauna Loa
AG Argonne
AG Aries
AR Vestal
AR Medusa
AV Wright
AVP Avocet
AVP Swan

AK CAstor
AK Alchiba
AP St Mihel

AO Ramapo

xAKL Hirondelle
xAKL Manini
xAK Florence D.
xAK Laida

PG Sacramento
PC Reliance
PC Tiger


My next step will be to have a look at the Allied side (prewar recon) to see what ships were indeed at PH on Dec 7 and try to figure out what is unaccounted for, their speeds and possible destinations. After next turn the KB will be to the east of Hawaii, 7 hexes SE of PH (barring any PT or sub attacks that might slow us down). I will avoid any more PH attacks unless I find that there is still a large group of ships there, including BBs, CAs, and CLs, (which seems unlikely as at least 4 separate Kates and a Jake reconned PH last turn and found no ships, only 93 fighters and 14 bombers. No auxilliary! Where have the Cats gone?).

All groups will be set to 6 hex naval/port attack, with some groups specifically assigned to Lahaina and Hilo, others open to commander discretion. All A6M2s are on escort at 40% CAP at various heights from 6,000 to 20,000.

He did send 28 P-40B, 15 P-36 Mohawk, 8 F4F3, and 12 Dauntless out last turn. None got through and there were heavy losses. 10 Mohawk, 3 Wildcat, 4 P-40B, and 3 SBD to no CAP losses.

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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/8/2011 1:12:25 PM   
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It looks like the KB attacks of Dec 9 took out most of the Aux, merchant, and Patrol/escort ships that had been in Pearl, as well as all of the slow mine warfare ships. These were all of the slow ships, and there are a few more out there I might have a look for in the upcoming days:

AV Curtis [spd 20] and Tangier [spd 17]

AO Neosho [spd 18] (1 bomb hit Dec 7)

PC Taney [spd 21]

BBs - 3-4 should still be afloat either in Lahaina, Hilo, PH, or on the way east or south. [spd21] (All of these should be slower than this as they were all hit in the Dec 7 attack)

All DMS (4) and DM (7 left, DM Montgomery sunk Dec 7 ) must have high-tailed it out with the remaining DD (about 25 left), CL (6 - 3 hit Dec 7) and CA (2 - both hit Dec 7 and on fire, so possibly slowed) .

Here is the attack list from Dec 7:

BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 12, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, heavy fires
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 5, on fire
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1
CL Helena, Bomb hits 2
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1

AO Neosho, Bomb hits 1

DD Dale, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DD Schley, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Cummings, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Farragut, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
DM Montgomery, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/9/2011 1:50:04 PM   
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Hawaii

Last turn was calm and relatively without incident here. The BBs disappeared from Lahaina, if they were indeed there, back into the safety of PH. One AMc ventured out near Hilo and was promptly sunk by 24 Vals. Slight overkill.

No other shipping was seen in the area.

After this turn the decision was made to end operations in Hawaii and move back to more pressing needs in the Solomons and the DEI. Against my better judgement, but for specific reasoning, I broke the KB into two equal sections. Shokaku, Zuikaku, and Hiryu in one group heading to the SW toward Canton and on to Truk, supporting the Shortlands and Tulagi invasions on the way.

The second group with Kaga, Akagi and Soryu is heading due north to secure the area around the AOs up there, shepherd them back, and support the Wake invasion which has been waiting around for a few turns now.

Both groups are on full 9 hex searches in case any stragglers from PH are running in these directions. I feel they can handle the US CVs in a 3-2 engagement as long as the Buffalos are still there and we have better searches at longer range than the US CVs. If this is true we should get first shot, and 100 strike planes going in should do well at this point in the war to debilitate the US CVs. It is playing with fire though, I know, as 70 SBDs can do a lot of damage no matter how strong my CAP. Still, rolling the dice.

DEI

The Ambon invasion is going in. Nervous, as the original TF composition of this amphib force is not what I would have chosen, with the two CSs in there. Also, a four ship TF was sighted at Kendari yesterday. I brought the Ryujo nearby, have 3 CAs and three DDs joining the CL and 5 DDs already with the force, They should all join in the Ambon hex tomorrow and proceed. Fingers crossed.

More fleeing ships taken out by air and sea and sub, including a big oiler and a large xAP. He's sending many ships right past Babeldaob for some strange reason. I have been pounding ships each turn with a Betty group here and just added some Kates as well. Keep em coming.

PI

Three British DDs fought a hard night battle against 1 CL and 5 DDs and held us off with minimal losses before retreating. No ships lost for either side, but we expended most of our torps without a hit and only got 5 shell hits on one DD. I'll be glad when this part is over and I can realign my forces into better TF compositions with better leaders, and then see how we do. That should have been a rout.

The landings went without a hitch, though, and so the foothold has been created. Now to build up some airbases, get more troops in, and start the push back into Clark and Bataan.

Malaya

Fairly quiet as TFs continue to unload and we set up some air groups here. The straits should effectively be closed now. Betties from Bangkok and Sallys and Lilys on Malaya are on Naval for the moment to make sure nothing sneaks by and will begin working on Singapore once the Oscars have arrived in numbers and the base forces have set up.

Kaveing

The small 15 AV SNLF did not take the place on first try. came up 1 to 2. We'll sit and wait, and hopefully get a better dice roll next time.




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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/10/2011 12:58:48 AM   
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DEI

My nervousness was justified at Ambon. Dan sent two SCTFs to inderdict the landing. One of my SCTFs didn't make it there until the morning, sitting one hex out in spite of the 6 hex react it was set on. Somehow the initial Dutch group, the Tromp, Java, and three DDs hit the amphib force first, while my SCTF that had been following it for 5 turns steamed around blindly in the dark. Not a good result here. We lost the Chitose, about 4 PBs, a DMS and an AO! (I am the idiot who didn't look at this TF but instead sent it forward from it's starting position at Babeldaob toward Ambon on the first turn). Another lesson learned. Who adds an AO to an amphibious landing?

After this another Dutch CL rolled in with 3 DDs and held my CL and 6 DDs to a standstill. Some shell hits but in spite of using 83% of the long lances in this battle, not hits were scored.

Amazingly, none of the troop ships were severely hit. The invasion is still on for tomorrow. I will have a fresh 3 CA 3 DD group to help protect things while we unload.

Malaya

The usual steps forward. Victoria Point fell. A base force is on the way to arrive in 3-4 turns. Alor Star is next. There is no rear action fight here. He's sending everything back to Singapore as fast as it will go. Smart.

He keeps sending Wildebeasts on suicide missions toward Kota Bharu. The second one in two days resulted in 10 Wildebeasts down and 5 Buffalos destroyed.

The Dutch subs keep parking in base hexes at the landing sites. Another one took 13 hits and is believed sunk today. We heard some bubbly creaking sounds shortly after the DCing.

PI

Another US sub is parked at Batan Island. I am going to be mining a lot of these mid-sea islands and parking an ACM there. I just dropped the first 50 mines here at Batan Is and I'm also running a Sally unit as ASW here. So far no hits, but we're spotting a lot of subs around.

Central Pacific

The KB north is meeting up with the oilers tomorrow about 10 hexes NE of PH. I wanted this to be seen in case he mistakes the AO TF for the other half of the KB. He most likely will just think it's the oilers, but worth the try anyway.

The KB south is about 12 hexes SW of the big island. Steaming WSW.

AMC Hokaku Maru

She started the war in the deep south Pacific with another AMC, each loaded with an Alf. Each have very poor experience levels in the 20s 0r below for night and day action. That could change next turn as on the way up to the Palmyra area to look for stragglers from PH they found some. Two ships. No idea what kind. In the adjacent hex! I'm hoping it's not the CAs from PH. Even damaged they would most likely end the journey for these two. We'll know tomorrow. I've changed course and run the other way toward the KB south, which is about 15 hexes NE. At least if he chases it'll bring him closer to some Kates.






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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/10/2011 3:57:33 AM   
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DEI

Today the Boise showed up to the party at Ambon, but forgot to bring a date. All alone against 3 IJN CAs and 3 DDs she took one long lance and 5 shell hits, at least one penetrating the belt armour. She can't have been too damaged though, as she sped off after the battle a good 6 hexes.

DD Evertsen showed up alone next and put a torp into CA Nachi. No hits on her during this battle. Interesting. Nachi only has 19 system and 19 float damage, so it could be worse. She'll head out for fixing next turn.

2 separate groups of PTs came in after this, and finally we took something down, sinking 5 out of the total 12.

I rested the troops here for one turn as they had high disruption. He bombarded, and the AV is 53 for the Dutch and 141 for IJ troops. We're shock attacking tomorrow.

At Singkawang I fast transported in a base force and there is a group of 9 Nells here with 9 A6M2. A force is coming around the bend at us from Pontiniak. It can't be too big, so I'm not sure what Dan is doing here. Our guard unit is at 41 AV and climbing as it waits in rest mode. The base force and JNAF Coy bring another 15 AV. I can't remember what is at Pontiniak to begin, but if it turns out bigger than I thought I have the 3rd Yokosuka SNLF para at Cam Ran Bay with the Tinas just in case. I'm bringing recon into Singkawang to check out what is coming this turn.

The next idea is a para invasion of either Djambi or Oesthaven, depending on if these are relatively unprotected. A third option is Praboemoelih but it's a bit close to the CAP at Palembang. If I start sweeping Singers tomorrow and Palembang in the next few turns I might get a quick window to throw a long bomb on one of these bases and then start tossing more in once they are secured. It all depends on how quickly he has set up on Sumatra and the CAP levels nearby.

China

Hong Kong had better go down this turn after three deliberate attacks separated by a day wait and the planned shock attack for tomorrow. The last attack brought forts to 0, so I'm thinking this should be it.

In other parts of China it's a mass exodus of Chinese corps heading north. I'm resting up and trying to seem not very dangerous here. Changing out planes to Sallys and Oscars, getting ready for the southern push to secure Wenchow and all bases in this area. I will also begin a campaign i nthe far north directed at Lanchow eventually> Recon, cavalry and tank units with one regiment will march into the wilds up here hoping to cause a major distraction. The main thrust will follow toward Sian, and my first purchased kwangtung division is planned for Nanning with some supporting troops and arty.

Central Pacific

No sign of the two mystery ships. KB south is hot on their trail though, and if they are injured, we might get them on the way to Tulagi.

The AMC TF will retire to Truk for some fuel and an upgrade to Jakes.

DD Shiranui

The Shiranui has been with the KB running around the Hawaiian Islands searching for missing ships for the past few days. She is now with the KB south and is heading toward Tulagi to support invasions in the Solomons.





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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/10/2011 5:39:58 PM   
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Here is a map of the DEI with some possible next steps for invasions and para landings after some recon is done in the next few turns.






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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/11/2011 8:53:23 AM   
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DEI

Well, it's not been a good day for the IJN. Force Z showed up at Ambon, and wreaked havok on our holding group of CAs and DDs. 3 CA down and 2 DD to 2 DD lost for him. This really hurts. I simply never conceived of these ships staying around in the DEI. Another lesson learned, the hard way.

The surface force left too quickly to be hit by the Mini KB following several hexes out of Ambon.

The invasion did not take the base either, coming in at 1 to 1 but dropping forts to 0. Still may have to wait a day or two to continue.

I think this is too early, in retrospect, to be in this part of the DEI without good air support and recon. I'll have a slightly different plan the next time I begin a campaign as Japan.

China

Hong Kong did fall today to a 4 to 1 assault. Not to rest up and move the division out.

Kavieng

This base fell today, so we're moving down the islands now. After the Ambon fiasco the invasoins are are holding for the KB south to appear and will only move south once it has arrived.

This is not the start I had hoped for with the IJN. I think I was slightly overconfident of their abilities early in the war, and I have to reevaluate how to use the navy. My main mistakes include (but are not limited to I'm sure):

1. Not providing enough air cover in advance of the invasion force.

2. Keeping the SCTF stationary for 3 consecutive turns which led it to be a target that was easily taken by surprise by a stronger force.

3. Not using enough speed and deception in these invasions. The initial force was too slow and badly composed. There should have also been more ships moving through the area to divide his forces a bit, or at least make him think more was there than actually was there.

This by no means takes away any excitement for this game, however. It's humbling, but I am even more determined to change tactics and keep to the quick schedule in this area. I think I'll begin using many smaller SCTFs, and get the Mini KB updated an resized quickly so it can really make a difference here. Northern Borneo invasions are all on and I'll put more naval search up here as well to watch for any more escapdes by force Z. Heavier surface forces with BBs are heading for Babeldaob from the HI with the Hosho and will be involved in any upcoming operations here. The Zuiho and two more BBs will follow in the next few days once her squads are resized and filled out. They will join the Mini KB, and the BBs will form into SCTF designed to meet force Z.

As I support the Solomons landings with the KB south I'll also try to keep it out of sight. Maybe I can then sneak it around and hit a few things before he realizes where it is. If Ambon does fall soon, then I will get some naval search in as soon as I can.



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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/12/2011 12:11:24 PM   
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DEI

A fairly quiet turn after the fireworks and kicking of things while I watched the replay of the previous day. Everything moved away form the internal area near Ambon and Macassar. We captured Sorong complete with a damaged Dutch Do-24-K1. The unit is a AF Coy so we're moving half a Mavis unit tomorrow that will extend our search ability deep into enemy territory.

Ternate will be hit by another 12 AV AF Coy unit getting there on a 4 DD fast transport tomorrow.

Bettys moved into Miri and are on Naval attack at 50% search in an arc that covers all of the area below to Java. This should help se what's coming as well and maybe get a few lucky bomb hits. Dan is sending between 4-8 B-17D here each night to bomb the oil. I'm not that concerned, and I'm happy he's hitting this oil, as I find Miri hard to use anyway with its limited port size. I usually only have one TKTF with mini TK going to Bangkok from here. We should still have plenty of oil for that. I hope to have enough pressure by the time I get to Balikpapan to ward off this kind of activity there.

Two more AF units are being flown in to Singkawang for possible use at Oesthaven if I do paradrop there. I have an SNLF on the way as well, and the Topsys are getting ready. P-Day should be in 5-7 days depending on what I find with recon. So far I took a look at Palambang which has only 2 units, most likely the two that started there, and only 2 aux aircraft. I'll check on Oesthaven next. Then Djambi last, hoping to look there only right before the jump to give less time to react if he gets nervy about all of this searching I'm doing. I just moved in another recon Dinah unit, and will also hit Benkolen to see if he's moved that KNIL unit there, and Prabemolith just to be thorough. If there is still no fighter cover in Palembang, I might even hit Prabemolith, as I could fly LR CAP there from Singkawang and get about 80-100 AV in quickly with the two large raiding transport units. I'm also doing heavy long range search over Sumatra to see if any convoys appear to be on the way. Wouldn't be fun to hit Oesthaven only to have British or Aussie Brigades land the next turn and take it right back.

As he doesn't seem to be building up Palembang at all, I think I should bring in a convoy here as well once the mini-KB has gotten its update and resized the A6M2 and B5N2 units on Ryujo to 30 and 18 and changed out the Claudes on Taiyo. Hosho is protecting forces around Ternate, Davao and Ambon accompanied by 3 BBs, a CL, and 5 DDs. I will unite them once LB air moves to Ambon, Ternate, and Davao.

All north Borneo bases are being hit in the next two turns while the mini-KB swings by on it's way to Cam Ran Bay. Something is at Brunei, not sure what, but it's listed as only one ship.

South Pacific

An AF unit is being flown in to Kavieng by the Mavis transports, and I moved a 6 plane Mavis search unit in immediately to scout for any SCTFs that might be lurking around. An ASW 'picket' ship PB is heading for the area between Guadalcanal and Rossel Is to sit there and see if it gets nailed. The KB south is 3-4 days away from a supporting position.

As an aside I ran some tests with 3 IJN CVs v 2 US CVs in the beginning of the war to see how we would really perform here if the US CVs are lurking or we just catch them running away somewhere. The IJN came out on top in all three engagements I've tried so far, even when the US got first strike i the first trial. In that one Soryu took 2 1,000 pounders but only had damage in the 30-40-30 range. In each engagement Both US CVs were critically wounded or sunk outright. In all but the first trial both were sunk or unable to fly planes after the first strikes of the day. In the first trial the Lexington survived to fly an afternoon strike, but with limited planes and was reduced to 5 hex speed by a torp, so would have gone down the next day most likely.

Encouraging, but not fool proof I know. I'll keep running it few more time in different ways over the next few days to see if this is indeed what I should expect.

North Pacific

I've begun planning for this area. A base force is being sent to Simishuri-Jima to build up and get scouting going up there. Once I get a free Naval guard or SNLF I'll go for the Aleutians, winter or not. Get something going there before the spring.

Malaya

The pace is picking up in the chase down the penninsula. Gorgetwon wil be under siege tomorrow. Nells are going to Victoria Point for long search and strike here. The Para strike at Port Blair will fly in 3-4 days. We bombed with 30 Sallys and 34 Bettys last turn and 3 Cats were damaged. Nothing much seems to be happening there otherwise. No CAP, one unit present.

Our first Oscar sweeps began at Kuala Lumpur. 24 Buffalo came up to meet 30 Oscar 1b and held their own. 5 Oscars lost (2 ops) to 7 Buffalo (2 ops). There will be 60 Oscars going next turn to visit again. Then I'll rest it and change up. Still have 2 42 unit Nate groups around that won't be changed out for another few weeks. Grrr.

Sallys are hitting retreating troops to slow them down.

Burma

It looks like he's vacating early from recon. Or he could be repositioning for a stand at Mandalay with the Chinese units. I'm moving a base into Chang Mai and one each into Pisanoluk and Raheng to have a better look around. Two Thai DIVs are crawling (literally it seems) down the yellow road toward Moulmein. An IJA Cavalry unit is winning the race toward Moulmein with the British coastal units that are being hit by air raids every turn. More stuff is following. I'd like to close off Rangoon early. I haven't seen any convoys go in there, which is fantastic. This is all about China and keeping supply out of there. If he does keep anything significant at Rangoon, and I need help, the 33rd DIV is still prepping for it and is on a few ships dodging subs near Taiwan now.

PI

More units landing. We're starting to make the push toward San Fernando. We'll hit the PA unit there this turn with 60 IJN bombers on ground attack. The first big sweep of his fighter concentration at Manilla will also happen tomorrow with the 45 Zeros of Tainan group. They've been resting up and should be in peak condition. Right now both Clark and Manilla are equally occupied, which is interesting. I wonder if he's thinking of a holding force at Clark and a counter thrust from Manilla East toward my smaller group of only 450 AV there. We're happy for that, and I plan to take only one base away from Antimonan (Lucena) at first to keep a buffer and then drive down on the West to force a decision. I also have two more engineer units of total 30 AV on the way, but they have about 100 engineers total so could build forts quickly if needed. Since it looks like he's going to give me a chance to rough up a few units before they get to make stand at Clark I'll probably send the DIV that took Hong Kong right to Malaya toward Singers. That should give me around 2,400-2,600 AV to start there. Around 1,400 for the PI. I'm thinking this will be enough to push him back to a defensive position in one stronghold considering our air superiority and the threat of isolation if he stays divided.

Subs

His have done fairly well hitting merchants. I've upped the ASW air and I can see his arrangement of stationary patrols have been set up in a line of 5 just outside Cam Ranh Bay, another 3 outside Saigon, and 3 between Taiwan and the PI. I've been vectoring convoys around these for a few turns and haven't even had an encounter here since this arrangement. He seems to have mostly given up on camping convoy unloads, except for Batan Is. The only convoys going there right now are Mine Laying and ASW and I've now got 75 mines and an ACM there. Hopefully when that sub moves again it will find a nasty surprise.

I will continue to put a huge emphasis on ASW air all through these supply lines. As I stated previously, I also plan to keep mining small islands that will be near major supply lines in the hope he'll run over them a few times. This is an experiment, as I usually only use mines at forward bases and we'll see how it turns out. If there are no hits after six months or so I may start conserving the mines again and change it up.

I've been hitting a good number of fleeing merchants between Borneo and Sumatra. A few in the straits outside of Balikpapan. Nothing around the Hawaiin chain or in the Pacific. Seems deserted. I did get a big signal traffic blip two turns in a row moving down toward the South Pacific near the Panama canal. He might be using the VERY long way around. I'll focus on Australia, Fiji, South of Port Moresby, and near Canton and Pago Pago as well. So far outside of my recklessness near PH I haven't lost a sub to any ASW activity.






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Plan for the North - 5th Fleet

The defense of the north seems an early high priority item, as it's much easier to set things up slowly from the beginning than to have to scurry due to an Allied thrust into the Kuriles. I'd like to avoid that if possible, at least early in the war.

I have decided to immediately send a Fast Transport TF loaded with an SNLF from the Wake invasion to take Adak, Attu, Kamchitka, and Atka. Anything he can fly units into and build up. I'll recon just as I'm arriving to see if he's beat me to it.

Here is a map detailing the conquest and defense plan for the 5th Fleet. Although I specify 'guard' units these could be any AV 40-60 sized units I can scrounge up. As I haven't looked through everything and made other detailed maps yet, I don't know if I can hit everywhere I want to go. If not I will simply split engineer units, guard units, and air groups to try to make something fit everywhere. I don't want anything he'd want to have to be an easy take with no opposition.

Please let me know if I'm missing something of if this looks mis-allocated in some way.






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Is it worth the major effort to take a well defended Dutch Harbor? The main reason as I see it to take the Aleutians is to keep an eye on Allied activity up here, to stall them in building up these bases as a launching point for offensive missions and sub bases, and to divide their resources early when PPs are precious if they do plan to contest the area.

Dutch or no Dutch?

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I'd say don't bother with the Aleutinas. If you build up the Kuriles in a good way the allies will have an hard time trying to mount an offensive operation in  NOPAC. I'd keep your precious mobile forces for more rewarding targets right now

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I'd say don't bother with the Aleutians. If you build up the Kuriles in a good way the allies will have an hard time trying to mount an offensive operation in NOPAC. I'd keep your precious mobile forces for more rewarding targets right now


I guess there are a few reasons why I would take these and puts at least some forces here:

1. It would divert at least some attention from other areas, and possibly significant assets such as medium sized infantry units, base forces, and fighter, bomber and search groups. Also, some surface assets and possibly a CV force would be required to retake them in late 42 or early 43, and its possible any infantry units used in a 42 action here would need to be purchased with PPs.

2. This would take away the possibility of using this area for a forward sub base and repair area. Even if I don't take Dutch Harbor and an AS is placed there, it is subject to discovery by recon and attack by LBA or CVs at some point. So this gives me an eye on what is developing or being used up here in the early stages of its development.

3. I might be able to use some of these as bases for AMC or sub bases closer to his northern supply lines. It would be hard to hit any of the bases without using 4Es, and I'd much rather see those out here in the boonies rather than hitting my airfields in the Solomons. Especially since they're only going to be effective for half of the year due to weather.

Are these good enough reasons to commit at least 2-4 guard units, a base force, 3 air groups, and 4-5 support ships plus a SCTF (maybe a CL and 4 DD) from now through the end of 42 at least, and possibly into mid-43?

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I like to grab the ALeutians on the cheap if I can.  It does two things: provides a major trip wire if the allies even think about coming on a northern route and it requires them to gear up a full invasion force to win them back.  Assets that they could use elsewhere ....

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I definitely agree with Max. There just isn't a lot the Allies can do in the As early in the game and you can get them on the cheap sometimes (then othertimes, the Lexington flees that way and the LYBs get kicked in the teeth). But, you sure do not have to have Dutch Harbor to achieve what Max is saying. Adak or Amchitka are very adequate as you can put a nice field in there to fly some of those marvelous Mavis from. Adak is actually worth some base points, too.

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Thanks. I'm on the way to grabbing them. Glad you think I don't need Dutch either as I'd rather not go against the guns there.

I may also keep Hosho up around the Kuriles just in case a SCTF decides to get frisky. Although it is a ways to react from there. But if he's coming into the area and trying to take something back and doesn't have CVs, it could be useful as well.

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Yeah, I like Adak.  Dutch Harbor?  impossible to defend even briefly as no air field potential and too far into the US perimeter so hard to supply and it is within 4E range early so all you do is train up 4E pilots ... not my cup of tea.

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16 Dec 1941

DEI

Ambon fell today to a shock attack. I bombed from Baeldaob with 24 Bettys, he bombarded, but it went down. This was an expensive operation. Hopefully my fast transport with the base force two days away will get in without a hitch.I'll fly in an HQ and get the Bettys rested up and ready to cause some havoc down here.

The ship at Brunei is an AMC. The Bettys from Miri hit it with one bomb. Heavy fires reported and troops killed. Trying to save a base force? Flying it out seems safer.

All of the bases on N Borneo are being targeted. Jesselton and Beaufort next turn. Then Bruneii, Judat, and Kuching the following day. The Jolo TF is nearing its destination and should have troops on the ground in two day as well. Dadjangas is also targeted in two days, as is Surigao on Mindanao.
Davao should fall tomorrow.

IJN CAs continue to take a pounding. CA Kumano took two torps from SS 016 passing near Balikpapan. I thought the worst, but when I checked damage, she only has 15 system 44 flotation and 13 engine damage . She's heading to Hong Kong at 4 hexes a day to get a fix up.

Burma

The Port Blair para-assault in on for tomorrow from Bangkok flown by 11 Mavis. Thai troops continue to move toward Moulmein.

PI

Tainan Ku S-1 swept Manilla with 45 A6M2 today and did well. With one A to A loss it took down a total of 16 P-40 (B and E) and 4 P-35A. Only two pilots wounded. We'll wait a few turns to sweep again. Tomorrow they'll be in support of a bombing run on the fleeing PA infantry at San Fernando. I want to keep it here until my troops arrive to mess it up.

South Pacific

No sign of life around the Solomans so far. The Rabaul invasion is 2-3 days out. Shortlands should be next in 3-4 days. Subs are about to pass through the area on the way to patrols around Port Moresby and Townsville. A Tulagi invasion is loading (frustratingly slowly) at Guam and will be in the area in 10-14 days. The KB south is passing through in 4-5 days. One more hit on Canton to take out the Cats as it passes.

4th Fleet

Two guard units are being loaded at Jaluit for a quick invasion of Canton. I'm hoping it will be close enough on the heels of the KB passing that the Cats will be destroyed or damaged and nothing will be in the area.

5th Fleet

One Fast transport is loading an SNLF to carry up to Adak. A base force is already on the way from Ominato, and another guard unit will follow from wake more slowly and go for Attu and Amchitka.



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DEI

Beaufort and Jesselton fell today. Bettys attacked but did not finish off the AMC near Miri. Fast transport TFs are zig-zagging everywhere as HQ tries to speed up operations here. The Jolo invasion should land tomorrow. The first para-troops are 2 days out of Sinkawang. Kuching will be shock attacked tomorrow.

The fast transport TF at Ambon is unloading the base force and hopefully will make it quick and get out. Two other fast transports are on the way to Boela and Babo.

PI

Tainan Ku S-1 will sweep Manilla again today. We will attack at Lucena today with 450 AV v 129.

Burma

Port Blair fell to a para-assault. No planes on the ground. Some air support and some ENG will fly in over the next week. No sign of the AVG since one group was in China a week ago.

South Pacific

Still no sing of anything. Rabaul is on for tomorrow, and Shortlands should land the next day. Subs are in the Solomons Sea, and a picket ship is about to take up its post near Rossel Is.



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DEI

Beaufort falls, Kuchinig succumbs, and Ternate is also overwhelmed by the red horde. A DD detached from the Kuching invasion, Usugumo if I remember rightly, finally takes out the AMC that was trying to liberate British base forces from Borneo. The two British DDs (Thracian and another) that have been lurking in the PI attempted an ambush at Brunei, but nothing was there. We're sending in a small TF of one CL, 2 DD and a TB next turn to see if we can nail them. Jolo will be ours this turn, Bettys moved into Ambon, and an HQ is being flown in by a Mavis unit from Babeldaob. Everywhere the pace is picking up.

P-Day on Sumatra is about 4-6 days out depending on if I want to coordinate with a SCTF to hit Oesthaven, the mini-KB following, and use all three para-units on three separate bases simultaneously. Benkolen is empty, Oesthaven and Djambi have their one original base forces, and there are still no fighters in Palembang. 15 of some fighters are in Batavia, and about 35 bombers. Could be stringbags there, so I have to be careful.

I could look this up, but does anyone know offhand when and where the Banshees arrive?

PI

Another sweep of Clark, and another massacre. 15 more Allied fighters down to 1 zero lost, plus 2 to ops. Lucena fell at something like 12 to 1 so we messed up a PA infantry unit fairly badly. About 2/3 of its total strength were casualties. Not sure why he kept it there. Trying to run another one down in Lingayen. He still isn't committing to Clark or Manilla, but is split between them. Tomorrow massive sweeps will hit Manilla again, and if he comes up to play, it might not be pretty. Bombing runs will commence when he's down to under 10 P-40s total in the PI.

South Pacific

Landed a big base force (30 AV) plus a regiment (116 AV) at Rabaul. Think this should do it. Will rest a turn or two then commence. Shortlands invasion has landed and will be ours tomorrow. No sign of life from the Allied navy or air forces. 4 subs have moved into the Coral Sea and one picket is stationed now near Rossel Is.

KB south is three days out. It will head directly to Truk unless there is trouble. Resupply, refuel, and head into the DEI as quickly as possible. I'd like the KB and the Mini-KB to enter the area to either side of Borneo simultaneously. The KB moving toward Darwin, the Mini supporting the para landings and trying to close off the escape toward Cape Town and India. If I can confirm there are no mines or large surface fleets near Oesthaven, we might even try to break through if it is captured and head into the Indian ocean to create a pincer movement around the DEI and trap surface fleets there.

Malaya

An Air HQ DIV will go to Taiping once that is captured in a few days, and from there and the surrounding bases the straits will be closed for good to Allied sea traffic. It would already be difficult to make it through now, but with fully supplied Netties, the door will shut. Dan will likely not know this unless he tries a passage through however, which is what I am hoping for.

Subs

Most Pacific subs will be put on patrol near Australia in the next week. Only about 5 will operate near to and East of Hawaii. I know where he has to go with all of that stuff eventually, and I'll be there waiting when it begins to arrive.


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DEI

This turn Jolo and Boela fell. An Air HQ Flot is 2 days out of Jolo, and then a group of Nells will move in. We missed the British DDs. Annoying little guys.

A sub is camped at Brunei, but we're going in with two APDs anyway. Another sub sunk a fine Yusen-N transport on its way around the tip of Borneo. Two mystery ships have appeared near Billiton. Nothing fragile is nearby, so I'll see if we can hit them with the Nells, athough they are terrible bombing even from 6,000ft. The Betties from Ambon missed a damaged CL Dragon south of Kendari. We also tried for a damaged Mauritius at Lautern, but missed that as well. The HQ will be torpedo ready here in 2-3 days.

PI

At Manilla his CAP stayed down today. Tomorrow everything is going in. 3 sweeps, 2 escort groups, Sallies and Betties will strike at the Manilla airfield. If he's as wily as I think he is most everything will be moved out by then. We'll hope he leaves the B-17s there though.

South Pacific

Waiting for disruption to go down at Rabaul. At Shortlands we took the base, but two Allied ships moved in to the hex as well. No idea what they are. I disbanded the TF and I'll see what happens next turn.

China

We're playing cat and mouse with the AVG around Nanning and Pakhoi. I've got a Naval Guard unit at Pakhoi, and a brigade on the way. We've been pounding the Chinese Corps there with every bomber in the area for two turns. He brought one section of the AVG in last turn and disrupted the bombing. This turn we just swept over Pakhoi and attacked his long-range CAP. Three of the AVG went down for no losses. Next turn we're sweeping Nanning, then bombing the airfields heavily.

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Not much to report this turn. Many of the operations in the works are in the logistics stage or moving out on ships. HQ is still feeling the shortage of good fighters and trained pilots, and it'll be another month before this gets much better. The economy is off and running. Three convoys operate between Shikuku and Niigata, 3 between Sapporo and the base next to Ominato, 3 more between Hakodote and Ominato. Three are travelling between Pt Arthur and Fukuoka, 1 from Keijo to Fukuoka, and I'm trying one out from Fusan to Fukuoka to see if the resources will flow there.

I've expanded Naval shipyards by about 5%, and merchants by about 3%. About 150 points of Armaments was converted to vehicles, and is still converting.


DEI

Not much significant today. The Brunei troops are on the ground . Jolo Air HQ has arrived.

I've noticed many more units appearing in Palembang. Nine are listed now, and troop numbers have gone up to 6,500. More impetus to begin para-drops in the next few days. I think I'm leaning toward Benkolen, Djambi, and Prabemolih to cut the rail from Oesthaven. Djambi and Prabemolih will come from Sumatra and the 3rd Youkosuka will fly on Mavis from Kota Bharu to Benkolen. Gotta love that range. Tomorrow all will be reconned, fighters will be brought in for sweeps, and the transports will be in place. Several small guard and infantry units are already in place to be flown in should the window stay open. If he brings in massive long range CAP the KB and Mini-KB will be arriving in about 7-9 days.

I will move 9 A6M2 immediately to Benkolen and 18 to Prabemolih. Oscars 1cs will go to Djambi. I want to shut down his air transport as soon as possible.

PI

Dan's getting good use out of his B-17Ds by night bombing Takao. This group is hitting several planes a night in spite of 25 Nates no night CAP. Nothing else I can do here, but I did just bomb Manilla and damage a bunch of them on the ground. The other group is still bombing Oil at Miri, taking it down one or two points each time. Recon shows only 22 fighters left at Manilla, so the sweeps will keep coming and hopefully the bombers will keep coming in after them.

South Pacific

The two ships at Shortlands were the Canberra and Perth. I disbanded the invasion TF and they bombarded, but there was no damage. KB south is sneaking up to Tulagi tomorrow.

The troops at Rabaul will Deliberate attack today.

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DEI

Preparations are in place and we're going ahead with 2 of the planned para drops tomorrow. 1st Raiding Sentai will fly from Singkawang to Djambi and the Tinas from Kuching to Praebemolih. I'm nervous, but excited about this plan. The idea of keeping Palembang in its current state with no new troops coming in and a foothold on Sumatra will make many other parts of the campaign much easier. The 15th Guards Rgt is also loaded up and prepping for Palembang. It will move in if he either moves troops out to take on the new threats or will wait for a bit to continue prep and get support from the Mini-KB. LBA might be able to handle this once the bases are established if I can continue to fly enough supply in.

PI

The air campaign will step it up a notch now that he's got the P-40s out of Manilla. I'll begin bombing Clark and Bataan to eat supplies and stop base building. We're Deliberate attacking 3 units at Lingayen tomorrow.

China

The air war here will begin now in earnest. I've got 2 30 plane and one 12 plane Oscar groups, plus the 9 plane Tojos and a group of 35 zeros on loan. We're hunting the piece of the AVG that is here, and will sweep it multiple times tomorrow, hoping to wear them down. Nanning airfield will be bombed by two Sally groups, and many other airfields in smaller towns in the south will be hit just to slow down forts and kill supply.

The Chinese corps at Pakhoi continues to see daily bombing runs from the IJN and IJA bombers. Its value has plummeted from 176 to 123 in less than a week. The Naval Guard unit at Pakhoi was joined today by an Independent Bde from Hanoi. We will now have about 170 AV here and will bomb for a few more days before striking.

Several DIVs are now moving toward Wenkow. He has vacated most corps units from the region, so this shouldn't be a difficult campaign.

South Pacific

Rabaul will most likely fall tomorrow after today's attack came off 2 to 1 with relatively equal losses, but the forts dropped to 0. A ton of supply and ENG units are on the way and A6M2s and betties will move in right away.

5th Fleet

The Wake SNLF and the base force from Ominato are converging on Adak. They will land tomorrow and we will get the ships out and begin the defense of the north.

Production

Here is what is being produced back in the HI as factories scurry to fill orders for the now frenetic pace of operations in the south:

Engines and Air

11 Hitachi Amakaze

(9) 9 E14Y1 Glen

55 Ha-31

(44) 22 Ki-46-II Dinah

175 Ha-32

(70) 35 G4M1 Betty
(106) 53 Ki-21-IIA Sally

190 Ha-33

(33) 33 D3A1 Val
(53) 53 E13A1 Jake
(44) 22 G3M2 Nell
(56) 14 H6K4 Mavis
(10) 5 L3Y2 Tina

270 Ha-35

(100) 100 A6M2 Zero
(96) 96 Ki-43-Ic Oscar
(40) 40 B5N2 Kate

[68] 34 Ki-48-Ib Lily [prod turned off]

0 Ha-5 (87 in pool)

(8) 4 MC-21 Sally
(24) 12 Ki-57-I Topsy

0 Nakajima Hikari (96 in pool)

(20) 20 B5N1 Kate




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RE: South of the Border, West of the Sun - obvert (J) v... - 10/17/2011 10:35:23 AM   
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The para-drops at Praebemolih and Djambi both landed and took their respective targets. The timing was critical for these operations, as he has just moved in a group of at least 15 fighters to Palembang. This makes the supply of the troops a bit more risky, but it was inevitable, and I'd created a plan to try to combat whatever he brings there.

An IJA group of 12 Oscar 1cs moved immediately into Djambi, and an IJN group of 9 Zeros is set up in Praebemolih. The supply situation in both places is dire, and every transport and bomber within range will be trying to get supply in tomorrow. Two zero groups from Singkawang are also on LR CAP over both bases, and the transport are coming in at 1,000 ft to try and avoid detection. An AF Coy is being airlifted into each spot as well.

After sending Dan a note with the turn, saying that things 'might be getting interesting,' he replied with a long email, including the following extracts:

I assume you are talking about your paratroop landings in Sumatra. While you were doing your first turn, I made a large list of possible
strategic options. For all of those strategic options I listed all of the possible concequences of success and failure.

One of those options was a Fortress Sumatra or Palembang option. I decided, for various reasons, to not even try it. I have read about it in Nemo121s AAR and writings, and of course Canoerebels AAR.

I want the game to go into at least the middle of 1945. If I failed, I would have lost a large amount of needed forces and would leave myself open to even
more expansion that you will be able to do.

I will not just run and hide, but will be trying to establish some kind of line to halt your expansion.


I feel fortunate to have an opponent who is so obviously thinking in the long term for this game, and who is simultaneously prudent and aggressive. I knew he was not creating a fortress here. These landings would have been most likely impossible and surely untenable if he had adopted that strategy. At present I will try to hold on there to accelerate the process of invading and holding Sumatra. My hope is to land at Palembang in 7-10 days and to keep feeding these new bases through the air until then, also possibly bleeding his Dutch fighter units, (unless of course they catch a bunch of transports and become instant aces!).

It helped that I also swept Singapore this turn and knocked down 17 Buffalos for the price of 2 Oscars. They should be in disarray and have bad moral for next turn.

I should have also swept Palembang last turn just in case he brought fighters in there, which he did. Now I have to cover all of the bases and sweep this turn. My base forces are doing extra shifts to feed all of these planes and will be wearing out over the next few turns. I hope they last long enough to keep the footholds.

The lift to Benkolen will most likely go ahead in 3-4 days if all is still clear there. This will allow another path for troops and supplies to flow into.

PI

We attacked and ruined the day for another PA infantry rgt in Lingayen this turn. Still not sure why he's kept them here. Unless he wants to draw me in and plans a counter attack through the lines. This would be tough for him to accomplish. It's true that I don't have much on Luzon, but I do have engineers, and I will hold just outside Clark and Manilla to build some forts before proceeding. There is no hurry here.

On the other side I am pressing forward again to one hex south of Manilla. It's dicey, considering I only have 450 AV here, but there is another Armour unit, a combat ENG and an Army HQ 3-4 days out of Antimonan.

On Mindanao the slow progress continues after the capture of Davao. It's a slog.

South Pacific

Rabaul fell to another 2 to 1 attack today. Everything is now in motion to move in here and set up shop. A small stealthy 2 APD invasion is heading for Tulagi, 2-3 days away. The KB south is about to be refuelled by 4 AOs, and is heading to Truk. The KB north is 3-4 days out of Truk as well.

China

Several Oscar groups swept Changsha where a section of the AVG has set up shop. We knocked down 5 for a loss of 3 Oscars. Bombers continued to hit the Corps in Pakhoi. It's down to 107 AV as listed in the bombardment.

I like the fact that he has brought many Chinese units back behind the lines to set up defenses and get them up to strength. It gives me an opportunity to roll the entire southern and northeastern sections very easily, as well as resting units up to full strength myself rather than having to use them to clear rail blocks and infiltrating attacks behind lines. It will be harder to ultimately go deeper into China, but I still think this is preferrable for the IJA. We should be more mobile, we will definitely have better air forces, and he still should have poor quality understrength troops when we arrive deeper in the next few months. I plan to cut the Burma supply as fast as possible. I will look for para-drops here, but fear those will be covered by the time I can make them. Also, it seems that he still hasn't brought supplies into Rangoon. Even 100,000 could really help China flesh out its forces and build forts, but if I get to Rangoon in the next few weeks, this possibility will close for good.

Burma

Recon shows almost nothing in Moulmein and Rangoon. Probably just a Burma rifles in each. Three Thai Divisions are moving in, one within two hexes of Moulmein. An IJA Rgt, a cavalry, group, and 2 arty units are heading up the slow road from Bangkok, slowly. Chang Mai has a base force and will be building up to a size 2 airfield, and both Pisanoluke and Rahmeng have base forces in place. Recon is trying to search out a stronghold in Burma. My guess is he will set up a resistence in Mandalay to keep the road open for a few more days.










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