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SST - 7/18/2011 1:17:14 PM   
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After my last turn, my opponent called the Tojo, not just super, but "Super, Super Tojo."

Dec 4th 1942
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Morning Air attack on 3rd USMC Tank Battalion, at 55,37 , near Dacca

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 10
Hurricane IIc Trop x 29
Mohawk IV x 1
P-39D Airacobra x 8
P-40K Warhawk x 19

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 4 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 destroyed
P-39D Airacobra: 2 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 4 destroyed

CAP engaged:
No.155 Sqn RAF with Mohawk IV (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(1 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000
Raid is overhead
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
No.79 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
No.135 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
No.146 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 18000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
No.261 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
No.607 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 6 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Raid is overhead
35th FG/40th FS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15600
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
23rd FG/75th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 7 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15600
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 3 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15600
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 3rd USMC Tank Battalion, at 55,37 , near Dacca

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 2
Hurricane IIc Trop x 18
P-39D Airacobra x 1
P-40K Warhawk x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 6 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.17 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
No.30 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters to 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
No.79 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 13 minutes
No.135 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters to 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes
No.607 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes
No.615 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIc Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 17000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 96 minutes
35th FG/40th FS with P-39D Airacobra (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 11000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 169 minutes
23rd FG/75th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15600 , scrambling fighters to 17600.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 70 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15600 , scrambling fighters to 15600.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes

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Morning Air attack on 3rd USMC Tank Battalion, at 55,37 , near Dacca

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 29

Allied aircraft
Mohawk IV x 2

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Mohawk IV: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.155 Sqn RAF with Mohawk IV (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(2 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 13000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes


Game showed the losses were 22 to ZERO.
Tracker showed 46:1

I have three Sentai of Tojo operating out of Chittagong (a fourth is held nearby in reserve) for about 6 months of light attacks, but the 1st Sentai is "the best of the best" per screenshot below - 2 double aces and 11 aces. All but a few have at least one kill.





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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 2:44:34 PM   
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Quick, cloak this thread lest crsutton see it and have a heart attack!

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 3:20:37 PM   
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My spits VIII (arrived in mid 42) will eat alive your Tojos so-called-aces




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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 3:33:03 PM   
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GJ - The Spit are ONLY available to you due to the emergency reinforcements you received. They 'normally' arrive in 11/43. This is a 12/42 vs 12/42 airframe fight. Your Spits will be in trouble vs George and Franks.




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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 3:40:04 PM   
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I know i know mate...i was just kidding

Those 1943 spits saved my day

And against the Tojos it has been, more or less, an equal fight...i don't wanna think about when i'll have to face hordes of Georges and Franks....

However was interesting to see how much decent pilots can improve with a superior machine...they all started in their 60s...and after 6 months they became the best aces of the game

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 3:48:23 PM   
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I shudder as I have another game going as Allies that is in early March 42. The best fighter against the Tojo seems to be the B-17F. I have trouble shooting the damn beast down.

You have been facing sweeps of over 300 Tojo and that is tough on any pilot. You are fighting the "Battle of Britain" over Karachi.

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 3:53:30 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

I know i know mate...i was just kidding

Those 1943 spits saved my day

And against the Tojos it has been, more or less, an equal fight...i don't wanna think about when i'll have to face hordes of Georges and Franks....

However was interesting to see how much decent pilots can improve with a superior machine...they all started in their 60s...and after 6 months they became the best aces of the game


You wont be seeing Hayate or Shiden in those numbers.. They have both service rating of 3. Rader will probably keep building Ki-44 until the end of the war as his main Army fighter, possibly also Ki-61-Id (Service rating 2, 2 CL mounted cannons, 2 wing HMGs) and N1K2-J (also service rating of 2) from 4/44 and 5-6/44 if I remember the arrival months right... He'll build Ki-84 and the others for sure but he cant sweep daily with them or even do 40% CAP.

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 4:06:08 PM   
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Yes, spits really saved the day. I have 3 Hurri MkIIc groups with top pilots (70 air, 60 def) but they lose on a rate of 1-2 against the Tojos.
P.38s (no matter if E,F or G models) aren't doing any better.
P-40Ks get shot down in droves

The only good american fighter seems to be the P-39Ds when flying at <10k...but again, even on them i have top rated pilots...

I think Spits VIII are gaining an overall ratio of 2/3 - 1 kills against the Tojos

So yes, Tojos really do wonders against any 1942 allied fighter...i wonder how they will perform against the first Corsair model that comes into production in Jan 43...


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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 4:24:37 PM   
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How is this possible or explained by the powers of the game engine that these Spits can arrive so early ?

I know "emergency reeinforcement" but were is the historic ground for this ?

If a plane is not there still it cannot appear even in an emergency seems a game "bug" to me ?

In April 43 only the Aussies have a Number of Spit Vs......in "normal" game. Thoese are good, but a bit shortlegged

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 4:36:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

How is this possible or explained by the powers of the game engine that these Spits can arrive so early ?

I know "emergency reeinforcement" but were is the historic ground for this ?

If a plane is not there still it cannot appear even in an emergency seems a game "bug" to me ?

In April 43 only the Aussies have a Number of Spit Vs......in "normal" game. Thoese are good, but a bit shortlegged


Sorry to have hyjacked the thread NY59Giants....

Well, i did ask myself the same question.
I think a better solution would be to give a boost in production of the allied airframes historically present in theatre...but the boost should be of some consitency! I mean...i recieved also 72 Hurri MKIIa...they lasted a couple of weeks against the 1000+ fighters that everyday we had to fight over Karachi...so i think the devs simply decided to give 72 spits VIII in order to give some chance to the allies to actually defend India...but your concerns have defenetly a point.

The emergency reinforcements system should be more "fair" with a boost in production imho...rapresenting the british gov that, facing this terrible manace, decides to give different priorities in terms of distribution of means to the different theatres

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 4:40:57 PM   
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Hijack away....

It would be better to have 'emergency reinforcements' come in monthly or bi-monthly as those convoys do at Cape Town with airframes aboard, IMO.

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 4:48:14 PM   
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The emergency reinforcements system should be more "fair" with a boost in production imho...rapresenting the british gov that, facing this terrible manace, decides to give different priorities in terms of distribution of means to the different theatres


Yup esp. at a time when the Battle Of Britain was already won by the RAF and Germans bogged down in Russia, I guess the Brits could scarve out some more planes for the far east in an emergency. The just had to postpone their own offensive vs. Germany a bit. Means mostly attacks on targets in France or German nearer targets and giving air support for the Dieppe Landings etc... well the desert war would still require some resources, too. Depends on how serious the far east threat would be, but the idea that Japanese and Germans could meet at Suez I find a bit too unrealistic.

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 6:29:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Quick, cloak this thread lest crsutton see it and have a heart attack!

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Too late! Though I am way past the "tojo fear" phase in my game but I decided to have an apoplectic fit in front of my monitor strictly out of sympathy for the victim. My wife had to come in and put a stick in my mouth to prevent me from biting off my tongue..

The tojo is by far the best plane in 42-mid 43. Add the height advantage and experten pilots and it is the ultimate death cocktail for the lowly hurricane and P40. If you don't have altitude limits in your game, you will just have to "eat it" until the hellcat shows up.

"May God have mercy on his poor soul"

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RE: SST - 7/18/2011 6:40:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki


quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

I know i know mate...i was just kidding

Those 1943 spits saved my day

And against the Tojos it has been, more or less, an equal fight...i don't wanna think about when i'll have to face hordes of Georges and Franks....

However was interesting to see how much decent pilots can improve with a superior machine...they all started in their 60s...and after 6 months they became the best aces of the game


You wont be seeing Hayate or Shiden in those numbers.. They have both service rating of 3. Rader will probably keep building Ki-44 until the end of the war as his main Army fighter, possibly also Ki-61-Id (Service rating 2, 2 CL mounted cannons, 2 wing HMGs) and N1K2-J (also service rating of 2) from 4/44 and 5-6/44 if I remember the arrival months right... He'll build Ki-84 and the others for sure but he cant sweep daily with them or even do 40% CAP.


Well, Viperpol in our game has tried them all and I can report back that the Frank is a very good fighter and the Japanese player should and most likely will produce them in numbers. Everything else (jack, tony, tojo, george) is just too slow for the second generation fighters that the Allies start to get in numbers. In fact the hellcat has been just a great fighter for me but now that the frank is around the hellcat seems to come up second best. The lighting, corsair and spit VIII are about an equal match for the frank and the thunderbolt owns everything. But the Japanese player is going to have to make lots of franks-even with the 3 service rating. It is the only real recourse.


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RE: SST - 7/19/2011 7:52:40 AM   
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In my PBEM it is March '43 and I seem to be having decent luck with the P-38G against the Tojo (Ki-44-IIa). We shall see if that luck continues... 

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RE: SST - 7/19/2011 3:26:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

In my PBEM it is March '43 and I seem to be having decent luck with the P-38G against the Tojo (Ki-44-IIa). We shall see if that luck continues... 


Agreed, the P38 is a great tojo killer, but you don't get enough of them for the Japanese to worry about.

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RE: SST - 7/24/2011 2:51:42 PM   
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Good stuff NYG!  Seeing what you have here I'm wondering if I need to allocate even more R&D to the airframe.

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RE: SST - 7/24/2011 3:25:44 PM   
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Eddie - I had 180 Tojo per month and if you look at jrcar's latest AAR posting on his economy he will have over 200/month. Most players seem to have 150 to 210/month for Tojo. My 1st Sentai at Chittagong has over 20 aces and double aces now with the Tojo. The only thing better than the Tojo in late 42 is the B-17F.

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RE: SST - 7/24/2011 6:36:16 PM   
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If anyone is interensted. Historical fighter production of Japan:

Ki-61 Tony (all models), about 75/month
Ki-44 Tojo (all models), about 45/month
Ki-43 Oscar (models II and III), about 150/month
Ki-84 Frank, about 200/month (Frank pretty much replaced other fighters. Some Oscars were produced by the end of tha war)
Ki-45 Nick (all models), about 40/month

So IMO, 180 Tojos per month is very reasonible production, if that's that's the only IJA fighter.

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