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Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 8:23:04 AM   
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I am angry now and I just want o share it all with you. Hope you got some time to burn. Me girl likes to play some games you see. She is a gamer (yeah, that’s what luck is all about, man!) but PC Strategy games do differ from PS3 action and footy games to a rather great extent, right? Right!

We’re away from home now and all I’ve got on my smart and sexy (can I type that word here? Is that okay? We’r all +13 right?) portable machine is …yeah Distant Worlds! Taught her some basics. She’s been playing for 3 days now. Must admit that I am quite impressed. Now, sure, all entire credit goes to moi for being such a great guy and a good tutor. You, developers/publishers, have one more player on your account. All thanks to Maxy.

Anyways, today early morning I came back from a swim and decided to play some. Some of her game. See what’s up and how smart she really is about this all thing. Realised she’s got an expanding empire. Trade is fine. Tech level quite impressive. Money flowing in. However, military is lacking in numbers. That’s alright though. She is a pacifist. Got friendly empires around her.

One thing that was strange about her game though was that she had a really nice planet…in a system that would properly connect her empire and she chose to leave it be. It had great resource base that she honestly required. It was the only planet in a system. Had great colonization value… Asked her. She tells me that it just ain’t pretty to colonize. It’s all red and ugly (Volcanic). She even complained about those that she already colonized. Ocean one looks dull. Etc.

You guys really need to make planets ‘prettier’. None of em got flowers… None got rainbows. In her eyes, that’s the biggest problem with DW and who am I to argue. Your planets are just tooo dull. Put some teddy bears on em. Actually, speaking about teddy bears… those could become planetary viceroys… I would also appreciate if you could have a set up option for a galaxy in the shape of a chipmunk…

Talk about useful and informative posts…
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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 9:41:05 AM   
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Consider the implications, though....if she finds the planets pretty enough than your +13 will risk major shrinkage.
I'm just sayin...it can happen.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 10:45:20 AM   
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..You ...you really think a pretty planet in a game could substitute moi???

That remark of yours is as futile and ridiculous as this entire post is!

I, my fellow nerd, am quite disappointed in you... Naah, I love you all me nice poster buddies


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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 11:34:37 AM   
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I think we can customize this atm, maybe create planets with pictures of tois...or various parts of tois. This way, observing which planets she colonizes or not, you can gauge her interests.
And also observe on which of them she uses the world destroyers



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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 11:48:41 AM   
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Is it trolling or something?

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 11:58:42 AM   
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yeah, trolling at its best


by the way, some great ideas there Data.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 12:09:31 PM   
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My pleasure....as long as you take the risks
Let's hope she doesn't find her way to this thread.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 1:23:51 PM   
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Maybe we need some butterfly space creatures too. Beautiful, graceful little butterflies, flying around, devouring any civilian transport that happens to pass their way.

Seriously, it's great you got your girlfriend playing DW. And I agree with her, the planets could do with looking prettier. Especially the desert, volcanic and ocean ones.

Have you tried the WIP planets mod? Warning, this thread is image heavy :- http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2537349

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 2:13:46 PM   
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A very interesting thread indeed, Igard. Thanks. Some great images there.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 2:33:34 PM   
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Actually if someone really good at it would make some new planet graphics, I wouldn't complain about it.

I may have to try my hand at it at some point. Perhaps texturing a 3d sphere and rendering it would work?

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 2:38:37 PM   
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Having photo realistic images of planets or better would have a huge impact on the game while running 4x RTS, its fine the way it is.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 3:11:56 PM   
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Another thought, by using 2 spheres, 1 slightly larger than the other with a transperancy map, one could put an atmosphere on the planets. I am going to look into this after I get home from work.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 3:21:58 PM   
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You, sir, have one admirable mind

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 3:44:48 PM   
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quote:

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Another thought, by using 2 spheres, 1 slightly larger than the other with a transperancy map, one could put an atmosphere on the planets. I am going to look into this after I get home from work.


I used a faded, radial gradient to achieve this look in much the same way as you describe, Shark. It's definately the way to go :-




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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 3:48:47 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Another thought, by using 2 spheres, 1 slightly larger than the other with a transperancy map, one could put an atmosphere on the planets. I am going to look into this after I get home from work.


I used a faded, radial gradient to achieve this look in much the same way as you describe, Shark. It's definately the way to go :-





And it won't be hard in 3d at all. just get a nice smooth subdivided sphere, make a UV map, then you can make as many different textures for it as you want. For the atmosphere, it is a simple task of putting in the 2 spheres and resizing the 'clear' one to 110-115%. Plus with a render engine, it will make shadows for you if you put in a light source.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 5:11:03 PM   
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Another thought, by using 2 spheres, 1 slightly larger than the other with a transperancy map, one could put an atmosphere on the planets. I am going to look into this after I get home from work.



That could work, like in GC2 did by stardock.

There alot of programs can use for texturing, for example Bryce Program is good and free. I havent use that in awhile.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 5:28:11 PM   
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Another thought, by using 2 spheres, 1 slightly larger than the other with a transperancy map, one could put an atmosphere on the planets. I am going to look into this after I get home from work.



That could work, like in GC2 did by stardock.

There alot of programs can use for texturing, for example Bryce Program is good and free. I havent use that in awhile.


I use PSP 8, The Gimp, and Paint.net (each has its strengths and weaknesses). But I've got all the tools I need to do this, same way I made my shipset for the game.

Also, I can use bump and displacement maps to make mountains that will stand out and cast shadows, lots and lots of things you can do for this. Just gotta get home from work to do it.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 7:49:30 PM   
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Another thought, by using 2 spheres, 1 slightly larger than the other with a transperancy map, one could put an atmosphere on the planets. I am going to look into this after I get home from work.



That could work, like in GC2 did by stardock.

There alot of programs can use for texturing, for example Bryce Program is good and free. I havent use that in awhile.


I use PSP 8, The Gimp, and Paint.net (each has its strengths and weaknesses). But I've got all the tools I need to do this, same way I made my shipset for the game.

Also, I can use bump and displacement maps to make mountains that will stand out and cast shadows, lots and lots of things you can do for this. Just gotta get home from work to do it.


Looking forward to see your works :)

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 9:01:38 PM   
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And it won't be hard in 3d at all. just get a nice smooth subdivided sphere, make a UV map, then you can make as many different textures for it as you want. For the atmosphere, it is a simple task of putting in the 2 spheres and resizing the 'clear' one to 110-115%. Plus with a render engine, it will make shadows for you if you put in a light source.


Ah, you're gonna do it in 3D. That would be awesome. Once you've got the 3D planet with the atmosphere, you can then rotate it around and use different views for the 2D images, yes?

Sounds like you know what you're doing. However, there shouldn't be any need for shadows, since DW makes those itself.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

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Also, I can use bump and displacement maps to make mountains that will stand out and cast shadows, lots and lots of things you can do for this. Just gotta get home from work to do it.


Ah, you mean shadows for terrain. Now I'm with you. Forgive me for being a bit slow. I'm drinking the last of my Ale supplies before Data makes another 'visit' to the cargobay.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/15/2011 9:26:46 PM   
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Wow, lots of tutorials here from the workshops of the masters *quickly takes this all down on paper*
Anyone fancies a modding manual for beginners? Or a modding AAR

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 12:45:33 AM   
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Amen to that Data!

By the way: for the record, if my premier task force gets trashed by a butterfly, I am not going to be a happy camper...
Or if you turn a black hole into a flower like dealy , and my favorite cruiser is destroyed, I am gonna blame all of you!

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 3:32:50 AM   
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Ok guys, here is the teaser. One gas giant with an atmostphere. The ones I do for real will be much, much better than this, I just put this together for a test to see how well it will work, so it is a job of very quick texturing (read not up to my release standards).

On a background so you can actually tell what it looks like 'in space'.






Once I get some real maps done and do this for real, I'll start a thread in the modding section for it. And I need to spend a lot more time on the texturing than I did with this test, but I wanted something to see if it could work like I want, and give yall something to see.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 4:29:41 AM   
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Looks like you're off to a good start, Shark.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 7:40:20 AM   
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Sweet job, Shark7! Interesting to see what you can with other planets.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 4:08:41 PM   
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It's going to take some time for sure, continental, Swampy, etc planets aren't as easy as a blurred, twirled gradient thrown together in 30 minutes for the gas giant example. I want these to look good, so if I can't do it in a way that makes me feel good about it, it just won't happen. It's going to be like the ship art I did for WiTP:AE...going to take a lot of practice before I get it down.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 9:09:09 PM   
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Nothing is impossible, not if you can imagine it

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 9:13:26 PM   
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Nothing is impossible, not if you can imagine it


Only if you have the skills, tools and the time to do it :)

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 9:27:41 PM   
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Only if you have the skills, tools and the time to do it :)



All too true.

I'd say the really difficult part of this, is replaceing ALL the planet images. There are so many, I don't think I got half way before I gave in.

All I can say is, good luck Shark7. Keep at it, and if you don't get there, we can always combine our planet images together. We'll get there in the end that way.


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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/16/2011 11:49:07 PM   
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http://www.darkbeholder.com/seiv/imagemod/
http://www.darkbeholder.com/seiv/imagemod/Planets.png

Might give you some inspiration.

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RE: Terrible Planet Looks... - 7/17/2011 12:05:07 AM   
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Another thought, by using 2 spheres, 1 slightly larger than the other with a transperancy map, one could put an atmosphere on the planets. I am going to look into this after I get home from work.


Yeah, thats what i did back in the day when i used to do 3d space art. Just 2 spheres, well 3 actually.
1 for terrain, 1 for clouds (with a ridiculously tiny increase in size, to add barely noticeable shadows) and 1 for a hazy atmosphere.
Examples;







Maybe this one would qualify as "pretteh" due to being pinky? =)

Solaris

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