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01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how to fi... - 5/9/2011 4:21:16 AM   
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Hello everyone,

I am a little bit bothered by my 1st January 1943 conversion of VB from 18 to 36 planes, and the simultaneous disbanding of VS squadrons.

So, alright. I have half a dozen US CVs there whose VB get to 36 planes without the corresponding pilots. At the same time, the VS pilots probably go to the pool. But if I happen to fill up the VB squadrons, they'll only feed me with average rookie pilot of the time (XP around 50s) while I absolutely want to transfer my 60/70-ish VS guys over to my VB squadrons. They are not all what they may call "veterans", as from what I understand, only highlighted names are part of this very select "group". I am not worried about very good pilots that I can handpick back, I am primarily worried about the ones in the middle, whose 15+ experience compared to 50-ish pilots may very well do the difference during my next carrier engagement.

Well, technically, my opponent will certainly agree to redo the uneventful turn in order to allow me to switch off the conversion, but still I'd love to know how to resolve that issue. Any input?

Thanks in advance!

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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/9/2011 4:41:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Hello everyone,

I am a little bit bothered by my 1st January 1943 conversion of VB from 18 to 36 planes, and the simultaneous disbanding of VS squadrons.

So, alright. I have half a dozen US CVs there whose VB get to 36 planes without the corresponding pilots. At the same time, the VS pilots probably go to the pool. But if I happen to fill up the VB squadrons, they'll only feed me with average rookie pilot of the time (XP around 50s) while I absolutely want to transfer my 60/70-ish VS guys over to my VB squadrons. They are not all what they may call "veterans", as from what I understand, only highlighted names are part of this very select "group". I am not worried about very good pilots that I can handpick back, I am primarily worried about the ones in the middle, whose 15+ experience compared to 50-ish pilots may very well do the difference during my next carrier engagement.

Well, technically, my opponent will certainly agree to redo the uneventful turn in order to allow me to switch off the conversion, but still I'd love to know how to resolve that issue. Any input?

Thanks in advance!


I don't think you can turn off the conversion. Any US CV that has a VS group will see that group dissapear on 1/1/43. I remember seeing USS Wasp that had two VS squadrons (and no VB squadron) and both disspear. I think that was fixed in an earlier patch though. You will probably need to manually send the pilots to the pool on 12/31/42 and wait to transfer them into the new size group.




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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/9/2011 5:26:22 AM   
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By that point in the war I plan to have plenty of navy dive bomber pilots trained up using around half the VS-#D## groups (the other half training fighter pilots with sweep training). Even training 1 skill to 70 and 2 to 60 you should have at least a couple crops worth of pilots from those groups over the first year of the war. There are 8 or so of these groups (if memory serves), at 18 planes per group and 24 pilot per at max.

If you were using those groups for something other then training and don't have the reserves of trained pilots built up I would go and set all the pilots in the groups withdrawing to group reserve, and then pull them directly from the withdrawing groups the day before into the groups that are staying and resizing.

This would take a lot of clicking, and a lot of micromanaging as you sort through lists of pilots. I'd almost prefer doing the following...

Or failing that you could wait two weeks after the carrier groups disband for all their pilots to fully enter the pilot reserve pool and then pull them from there, and then wait another 2 weeks for them all to reach their new groups. A full month of waiting for pilots if you didn't plan ahead.

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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/9/2011 7:08:30 AM   
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IIRC, you can set the group's resize option to none - upper left of the group screen. It will probably cost you PPs though, as it will be a required disbanding.

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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/9/2011 8:10:39 AM   
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Not sure about the required disbanding - or it doesn't show on the reinforcement and withdrawal list before it happens then.

Yeah Sredni, I understand your point, but as I am playing a regional scenario that started just 6 months ago, I don't exactly have a very powerful training program running as you can guess

Thanks anyway, gonna give every option a try


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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/9/2011 1:11:07 PM   
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I cant say I have gotten to the point in a game (as allied) where I have to worry about this, but seems to me you could disband your VS groups into your VB groups before the disband/expansion happens. This way when it does, you have all the planes and pilots already in place.

Ed: Not sure if you can disband aboard ship. You may have to move them to a land base to do this.

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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/9/2011 11:57:23 PM   
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If I recall you cannot disband the carrier airgroups.

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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/10/2011 8:06:52 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Hello everyone,

I am a little bit bothered by my 1st January 1943 conversion of VB from 18 to 36 planes, and the simultaneous disbanding of VS squadrons.

So, alright. I have half a dozen US CVs there whose VB get to 36 planes without the corresponding pilots. At the same time, the VS pilots probably go to the pool. But if I happen to fill up the VB squadrons, they'll only feed me with average rookie pilot of the time (XP around 50s) while I absolutely want to transfer my 60/70-ish VS guys over to my VB squadrons. They are not all what they may call "veterans", as from what I understand, only highlighted names are part of this very select "group". I am not worried about very good pilots that I can handpick back, I am primarily worried about the ones in the middle, whose 15+ experience compared to 50-ish pilots may very well do the difference during my next carrier engagement.

Well, technically, my opponent will certainly agree to redo the uneventful turn in order to allow me to switch off the conversion, but still I'd love to know how to resolve that issue. Any input?

Thanks in advance!


a day (or whenever) before the squadrons are withdrawn, send all their pilots to the reserve pool and fill the squadrons with rookies to enable the veterans being transferred to the reserve pool. A couple of days later, all veterans have shown up in the pool and could be sent to the resized squadrons.

Every squadron can be "overfilled" with pilots by 1/3 of the squadrons strenght. This 1/3 can always be sent to the pools, no matter what. While a squadron that got no withdrawel date can have all it´s pilots being sent to the pool, the ones with withdrawel dates can only send their "excess" pilots (the 1/3) to the pool. It´s a bit of clicking, but in three runs you´ve got all those 18 (24) pilots in the pool and the squadron filled up with 18 rookies coming straight out of the flightschool.

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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/10/2011 11:36:18 AM   
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If I recall you cannot disband the carrier airgroups.


Could be, frankly never tried. I KNOW you can disband fragments however. So a workaround would be to rail them from say Sydney to a base with only a handful of av support. Next turn, fly the 1 or 2 planes that repair to a different base and rail the fragment back to Sydney. The following turn when the fragment arrives, disband it into the group you want.

Another workaround would be to transfer the pilots from the VS to the VB, and add the airplanes after the upgrade. Do the fragment route if you dont want to manually move 24 pilots times the number of carriers you own, either way should work.

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RE: 01/1943 CAG DiveBomber enlargement, and about how t... - 5/10/2011 12:44:13 PM   
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Thanks for your input chaps.

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