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Sinking ship in drydock - 4/19/2011 9:42:17 PM   
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I had a CV in a shipyard and it was sunk. Ok, I know, dumb but that's is where it was, so lets get passed that part. What I would like to know is HOW are you able to sink a ship that is in the ship yard. I know you could bomb it to a pulp but you can't sink a ship that isn't in water.
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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/19/2011 9:46:58 PM   
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Think of it like the old Star Trek series phasers when set to the highest power and the guy hit just glowed for a second and then disappeared!


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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/19/2011 9:49:12 PM   
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I would imagine there comes a point where a ship just isn't repairable. A twisted mass of metal in a flooded drydock (if the bombing is that severe I doubt if the drydock itself got off lightly) might as well be sunk.

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/19/2011 9:55:12 PM   
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I like the Star Trek comparison

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/19/2011 10:55:37 PM   
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Think of it as something akin to written off for ships.  Their comes a point where it would take less to build a ship from scratch.  I also imagine if the keel was turned into a bow tie you can forget repairs.  The game doesn't model scrapping due to damage.

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/20/2011 12:09:23 PM   
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The same abstraction applies to "sinking" battleships with massive numbers of non-armor penetrating bombs that result in 100 system and or fire damage and 0 flotation damage.

Once the ship becomes a twisted mass of useless melted steel it is written off as "sunk" in game terms.

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/20/2011 12:34:48 PM   
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Accident in yard?  Port incidents were more common than one would have expected...  Numerous allied and japanese ships were damaged in such accidents, mostly munitions handling, and as far as I recall at least BB Mutsu ended up a total loss...

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/20/2011 10:11:20 PM   
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And HMS Valiant, badly damaged when a floating dock collapsed in Ceylon in 1944.

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/20/2011 10:21:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sdhundt

I had a CV in a shipyard and it was sunk. Ok, I know, dumb but that's is where it was, so lets get passed that part. What I would like to know is HOW are you able to sink a ship that is in the ship yard. I know you could bomb it to a pulp but you can't sink a ship that isn't in water.


Just FYI DD Stewart (Clemson Class #224) was sunk in a drydock when the floating drydock itself was scuttled, as the Stewart had fallen off her leveling blocks and been bombed in the drydock and could not be recovered before Surubaya was over-run by the Japanese. (Google it for the full story).

So to answer your question a floating drydock can be sunk, and any severely damaged ship contained within can be sunk right along with it. Since the game abstracts the drydocks, just imagine the ship, drydock and all went down.

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/20/2011 11:32:58 PM   
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Could be something like this.

Amazingly, the USS Shaw was rebuilt and served with distinction. However, I think this shows that a ship could "possibly" be sunk in a drydock.






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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/21/2011 1:45:33 PM   
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Speaking of the Shaw, it was in a drydock that was NOT floating (but hit by bombs which is very possible), a very different kettle of fish. In my full game in the attack on Pearl, with the USS Pennsylvania in the same drydock, it was torpedoed!!!! Now that must have been very difficult to achieve, but it was done.

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/21/2011 4:30:40 PM   
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quote:

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Speaking of the Shaw, it was in a drydock that was NOT floating (but hit by bombs which is very possible), a very different kettle of fish. In my full game in the attack on Pearl, with the USS Pennsylvania in the same drydock, it was torpedoed!!!! Now that must have been very difficult to achieve, but it was done.


Cassin and Downes were in the drydock with Pennsylvania. Shaw was in YFD-2.

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RE: Sinking ship in drydock - 4/21/2011 6:21:51 PM   
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Good catch Don, that's for the correction.

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