Lots of great comments guys.
I agree that there would be nothing wrong in having some ahistoical options for players who might want them. I just wouldn't want the developers to spend too much time on that until the game has been fully polished.
Wow, Angelo. I couldn't disagree more. For me this is probably the best game ever made. I certainly don't come anywhere near to feeling cheated, and they are improving it all the time. Oh well, different strokes for different folks.
Now bring on War in the West!!!
I like the game or the idea of the game and will still play it occasionally but "the best game ever made" give me a break!
As an operational game Matrix Decisive battles or HPS Panzer series are way better.
And as a strategy game it lacks potical events, strategetic level options and the German side can't even change it's prroduction!
Again if WitE is any indication of what War in the West will be, I ain't buying it.
If steps are taken to make an actual strategic level game with all the trimmings, I'll reconsider. But there is no indication from 2By3 games that the basic game designs will be improved.
Again, i couldn't disagree more.
This game blows decisive battles away. Hands down! I've never played HPS so i can't comment on that.
I think part of the problem is people not understanding the design philosophy behind the game. You can't change production because you are a theater commander, not adolf hitler. It makes perfect sense to me.
Like i said though, different strokes for different folks.
This is my favorite wargame that i have ever played. With WitP a close second. So for me that makes 2by3 my favorite developer.
You might not like the developers philosophy, but that doesn't mean it was the wrong decision. It just means you are more suited to a Hearts of Iron style game, or some such.
The HPS Panzer Campaigns are excellent at what they portray and the OOB's are very detailed and accurate given the information available on a particular campaign.
Hearts of Iron is an excellent game also, albeit a global game in the sense that I can control any country in the world, not just the major combatants of WWII.
WitE is somewhat inbetween, a very large campaign in a fixed setting. As much as I enjoy it and appreciate the hard work put into it by the Devs it is not totally historically accurate. Yes the divisions are there, but there is no historical differance between units, all the pz divisions have the same TOE, even though some had 2 Pz Abt, whilst others had 3 e.g. Units are missing, e.g. some independant Pz Abt and the Einsatzgruppen which would be useful assets for hunting partisan units( I am aware of there history in this regard, but it is only a game).
As for being a Theatre Commander and not Hitler, then why can we manually change aircraft, but we can't manually change the armour types in armoured units. As much as I would like to change production I know it won't happen but please give me the option to manually change the tank/td etc type in armoured units. As it is newly produced tanks etc get parceled out willy nilly, e.g. if 12 brand new Panthers are produced 4 units may receive 3 each, losing all their PzIII's in the process (which may be a considerable number), I should have the option of waiting until e.g. 60 have been produced and then placing them all in one division, which not only makes more sense but is historically accurate.
Also, in the game I am Hitler as well as the theatre commander, otherwise where in the 1944-45 campaign are the 'Hold at all cost' orders that created Festung Posen, Festung Konigsberg, Festung Kustrin etc, along with the Kurland Pocket. The Theatre commanders did not have free reign to make Operational decisions, everything went through Hitler via his 'situational reports' meeting he held every day, if you disobeyed Hitler you did so at your own peril. Many a time in this game I have had a commander replaced by the game mechanics only for me to put him back in place immediately, If I was just the Theatre Commander I would not have the authority or ability do so.